Ukraine 4

[Hoodat]

I agree.. I get it, it's ok to question the amount of $$$ being sent to Ukraine

It's even more OK to question the amount of $$$ being sent to the State Dept, the Defense Dept, USAID, HHS, etc., that is falsely being labeled as "$$$ to Ukraine".

[Kamaji]

It's even more OK to question the amount of $$$ being sent to the State Dept, the Defense Dept, USAID, HHS, etc., that is falsely being labeled as "$$$ to Ukraine".

[Smokin Joe]

I agree.. I get it, it's ok to question the amount of $$$ being sent to Ukraine, but we have to stop Russia now.


As you said, Putin wants to return Russia to it's former glory days.  As you said, they have forgotten Chamberlain's appeasement in 1938 and it bit us in the butt.  We have to draw the line now or we will face a tougher Russia when they go after the Baltics and try to take over Alaska.


Also, speaking of Alaska, I did some kind of non-scientific poll asking if should we return Alaska to Russia even if it means peace. Almost 20% said yes!

Well, that's 20% idiots out there. Nothing like giving a potential enemy a beachhead and a place to launch from, be it conventional or strategic.

[PeteS in CA]

Well, that's 20% idiots out there. Nothing like giving a potential enemy a beachhead and a place to launch from, be it conventional or strategic.

  How many conservatives, if asked if they would be OK with returning the Sonoma County, California coast around Fort Ross to Russia, would say they would be OK with that?

[Smokin Joe]

How many conservatives, if asked if they would be OK with returning the Sonoma County, California coast around Fort Ross to Russia, would say they would be OK with that?

Hell, give New York back to the Dutch!

[Hoodat]

Give Georgia back to the British Department of Corrections.

[PeteS in CA]

How many conservatives, if asked if they would be OK with returning the Sonoma County, California coast around Fort Ross to Russia, would say they would be OK with that?

Hell, give New York back to the Dutch!

@Kamaji, whatcha think?

[Kamaji]

Hell, give New York back to the Dutch!


@Kamaji, whatcha think?

Good luck getting them to accept it.

[mystery-ak]

No F-16s This Year, Acknowledges Ukraine While Holding Out Hope For ‘Good News Soon’

Ukraine has apparently come to terms with there being no donations of fighter jets during the counter offensive, or even this year at all.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/08/17/no-f-16s-this-year-acknowledges-ukraine-while-holding-out-hope-for-good-news-soon/

[Hoodat]

Ukraine has apparently come to terms with there being no donations of fighter jets during the counter offensive, or even this year at all.

Blinken told them two years ago that he was freeing up fighter jets for Ukraine's use.  Biden told them eight months ago that M-1 Abrams tanks were on the way.   They are such liars.  Meanwhile, USAID coffers continue to overflow with new cash.

[Kamaji]

Ukrainian drone damages building in Moscow disrupting air traffic, Russia says

By Reuters
August 18, 2023

A Ukrainian drone smashed into a building in central Moscow on Friday after Russian air defenses shot it down, disrupting air traffic at all the civilian airports of the Russian capital, Russian officials said.

A Reuters witness who was in the area described hearing “a powerful explosion.”

Reuters images showed workers and emergency workers inspecting a damaged roof of a non-residential building that the drone hit.

The Russian defense ministry and Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin said there were no casualties after air defenses destroyed a drone that then fell on a non-residential building of Moscow’s Expo Center complex in the early hours of Friday.

The Expo Center is a large spread of exhibition pavilions and multi-purpose halls, fewer than 3.1 miles away from the Kremlin.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/08/18/ukrainian-drone-damages-building-in-moscow-disrupting-air-traffic-russia-says/

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

This has got to be humiliating for Putin no?

[PeteS in CA]

The "Expo Center complex" is less than 5 Km from the Kremlin and the Russians claim they shot down the drone, but I wonder what was in that "Expo Center complex" building. Perhaps something military or defense industry?

[Hoodat]

Oil silos in Novorossiysk, a major Russian pipeline terminal:

https://twitter.com/zakavkaza/status/1692453690207043866


Almost all of the oil coming out of Kazakhstan goes through this port.

[kevindavis007]

Oil silos in Novorossiysk, a major Russian pipeline terminal:

https://twitter.com/zakavkaza/status/1692453690207043866


Almost all of the oil coming out of Kazakhstan goes through this port.

Maybe the Russians should stop smoking.

[DefiantMassRINO]

Ukrainians may have taken it upon themselves to enforce an embargo against Russian oil sales.  India and Japan may have to look elsewhere for oil.

[Kamaji]

Five killed, 37 wounded in Russian missile strike on Ukrainian city of Chernihiv

By Reuters   
August 19, 2023

Five people were killed and 37 wounded when a Russian missile struck a central square in the northern Ukrainian city of Chernihiv, the interior ministry said on Saturday.

People had been on their way to church to celebrate a religious holiday when the strike took place, the ministry said, adding that 11 of the wounded were children.

“A Russian missile hit right in the center of the city, in our Chernihiv. A square, the polytechnic university, a theatre,” President Volodymyr Zelensky, who was on a working visit to Sweden, posted on Telegram.

“An ordinary Saturday, which Russia turned into a day of pain and loss,” he added.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/08/19/five-killed-37-wounded-in-russian-missile-strike-on-ukrainian-city-of-chernihiv/

[Timber Rattler]

Ukraine breaks through Russia’s first line of defense near Tokmak — CBS

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-breaks-russia-first-line-133000751.html

The Ukrainian Armed Forces have broken through a minefield and have succeeded in their offensive on Tokmak, Zaporizhzhya Oblast, CBS News reported on Aug. 18, citing U.S. officials.

Ukrainian troops had broken through to the north of Tokmak and were now engaged in a battle with the first line of Russian defense holding the city, the official said.

[Kamaji]

Ukraine breaks through Russia’s first line of defense near Tokmak — CBS

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-breaks-russia-first-line-133000751.html

[Kamaji]

Ukraine blasts Russian Ka-52 attack helicopter out of the sky

By Chris Jewers and Will Stewart
18 August 2023

This is the incredible moment Ukraine 's armed forces blasted a Russian attack helicopter out of the sky, sending it crashing to the ground. In the latest humiliation for Vladimir Putin and his generals, a video taken from the ground shows the Russian Ka-52 Alligator being shot down over the battlefield near Robotyne, in Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia region. A second, not seen in the clip, was also reportedly shot down in the same region. The dramatic war footage shows the Ka-52 flying with another helicopter over the region, when without warning it erupts into a ball of black smoke. The damage appears so severe that the chopper makes no attempt to stay in the air, instead instantly plummeting towards the ground at speed as a piece of the aircraft flies off in another direction. The camera tracks it all the way to the ground where it falls below a treeline.

After a split-second delay, a huge fireball is seen erupting from where it landed, before more thick black smoke is seen rising into the sky. Seeing the fate of his fellow airmen, the pilot of the other two helicopter flies forward at speed to get out of the dangerous area. The fate of the pilot in the first chopper was unclear. It was not clear if the other helicopter seen in the first clip was the same second chopper that was reportedly shot down later by Ukraine's forces. Another clip appeared to confirm one was downed with a portable air-defense missile system, fired by Ukraine's 47th Mechanized Brigade. In the second clip, black smoke was seen rising from the shot-down helicopter after it crashed in the field. A video carries a voice saying 'We've got it, got it….' followed by expletives. The commander of Ukraine's air force, Mykola Oleshchuk claimed a second near blitzkrieg town Bakhmut in Donetsk region. He posted: 'One less Russian Ka-52 on the Bakhmut front this morning. 'Thanks to the air defense unit of the Air Force for a successful combat operation.'

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-12422037/Ukraine-blasts-Russian-Ka-52-attack-helicopter-sky.html

[kevindavis007]

Ukraine blasts Russian Ka-52 attack helicopter out of the sky

By Chris Jewers and Will Stewart
18 August 2023

This is the incredible moment Ukraine 's armed forces blasted a Russian attack helicopter out of the sky, sending it crashing to the ground. In the latest humiliation for Vladimir Putin and his generals, a video taken from the ground shows the Russian Ka-52 Alligator being shot down over the battlefield near Robotyne, in Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia region. A second, not seen in the clip, was also reportedly shot down in the same region. The dramatic war footage shows the Ka-52 flying with another helicopter over the region, when without warning it erupts into a ball of black smoke. The damage appears so severe that the chopper makes no attempt to stay in the air, instead instantly plummeting towards the ground at speed as a piece of the aircraft flies off in another direction. The camera tracks it all the way to the ground where it falls below a treeline.

After a split-second delay, a huge fireball is seen erupting from where it landed, before more thick black smoke is seen rising into the sky. Seeing the fate of his fellow airmen, the pilot of the other two helicopter flies forward at speed to get out of the dangerous area. The fate of the pilot in the first chopper was unclear. It was not clear if the other helicopter seen in the first clip was the same second chopper that was reportedly shot down later by Ukraine's forces. Another clip appeared to confirm one was downed with a portable air-defense missile system, fired by Ukraine's 47th Mechanized Brigade. In the second clip, black smoke was seen rising from the shot-down helicopter after it crashed in the field. A video carries a voice saying 'We've got it, got it….' followed by expletives. The commander of Ukraine's air force, Mykola Oleshchuk claimed a second near blitzkrieg town Bakhmut in Donetsk region. He posted: 'One less Russian Ka-52 on the Bakhmut front this morning. 'Thanks to the air defense unit of the Air Force for a successful combat operation.'

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-12422037/Ukraine-blasts-Russian-Ka-52-attack-helicopter-sky.html

This is good news.. The only fear is that the Russian vassal state Belarus may be forced to enter the war.

[DefiantMassRINO]

A desperate Putin could open new fronts from Belarus and Transnistria (Moldova "breakaway" region along Ukraine's western border).

Putin doesn't need to be victorious; he just needs to prevent Ukraine from achieving a decisive victory.  Putin hopes time is his greatest ally.

[sneakypete]

Five killed, 37 wounded in Russian missile strike on Ukrainian city of Chernihiv

By Reuters   
August 19, 2023

Five people were killed and 37 wounded when a Russian missile struck a central square in the northern Ukrainian city of Chernihiv, the interior ministry said on Saturday.

People had been on their way to church to celebrate a religious holiday when the strike took place, the ministry said, adding that 11 of the wounded were children.

“A Russian missile hit right in the center of the city, in our Chernihiv. A square, the polytechnic university, a theatre,” President Volodymyr Zelensky, who was on a working visit to Sweden, posted on Telegram.

“An ordinary Saturday, which Russia turned into a day of pain and loss,” he added.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/08/19/five-killed-37-wounded-in-russian-missile-strike-on-ukrainian-city-of-chernihiv/

@Kamaji

NOTHING makes friends like bombing/missile strikes on the religious centers of a backwards nation.

That Pooty-Poot dood is shrewd on levels we haven't even discovered  yet!

[mystery-ak]

 US approval of F-16s brings new hope for Ukraine’s long fight
by Brad Dress - 08/19/23 12:00 PM ET

The U.S. stamp of approval on transferring F-16s to Ukraine from the Netherlands and Denmark is offering optimism over getting the prized warplanes to the battlefield as soon as possible to give Kyiv a long-term boost in the largely stalemated war.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken this week gave the go-ahead for Danish and Dutch officials to deliver the aircraft, accelerating a path to transfer the planes to Ukraine after pilots complete a training program.

It’s still unclear how long it will take for the jets to arrive fully operational, but the training and transfer is expected to take a few months at a minimum — after Ukraine’s counteroffensive push likely culminates.

Even so, the approval marks a monumental step forward for Kyiv, and analysts say the aircraft will help Ukrainian troops in a grinding war of attrition against Russia no matter when they arrive over the skies.

more
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4159385-us-approval-of-f-16s-brings-new-hope-for-ukraines-long-fight/

[Smokin Joe]

For want of a nail, the shoe was lost...

[kevindavis007]

@Kamaji

NOTHING makes friends like bombing/missile strikes on the religious centers of a backwards nation.

That Pooty-Poot dood is shrewd on levels we haven't even discovered  yet!

I thought that Pooty-Poot was a good Christian and he is defending Christianity.

[240B]

[sneakypete]

I thought that Pooty-Poot was a good Christian and he is defending Christianity.

@kevindavis007

ALL any of us need to know about Pooty-Poot is that he is a life-long communist parasite and tool that has no conscience whatsoever.

[Hoodat]

Ukraine strikes Russian airbase in Soltsy - Incredible 400-mile drone strike.

https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1692844286541262866

[Hoodat]

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1693059018674340291

[mystery-ak]

‘Cannon Fodder’ — Total Casualties Suffered by Ukraine and Russia Nears Half a Million, U.S. Officials Claim

The number of troops killed or wounded since last year’s invasion of Ukraine has reached nearly half a million, according to U.S. officials.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/08/20/cannon-fodder-total-casualties-suffered-by-ukraine-and-russia-nears-half-a-million-u-s-officials-claim/

[PeteS in CA]

The Orcs' air force use air-launched cruise missiles launched from within orc territory by bombers based beyond the range the orcs believe Ukraine can hit. Some orc air-chieftain miscalculated or was misinformed about Ukrainian capabilities.

IIRC, the Tu22 "Backfire" is supersonic, roughly similar to the USAF B-1.

[Kamaji]

Ukrainian pilots begin training on F-16 fighter jets — just days after US aircraft approval

By Isabel Keane   
August 20, 2023

Ukrainian pilots began training on coveted F-16 fighter jets — just days after the US approved sending the aircraft from Denmark and the Netherlands to help Ukraine in its war with Russia.

Ukraine’s Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov told Ukrainian media on Saturday that both pilots and Ukrainian engineers have started training on the aircraft.

“Training (on F-16) has begun,” Reznikov said, later adding that “a minimal term of training is six months,” according to CNN, which cited Ukrainian media.

Officials intend to remain tight-lipped about the training, according to Reznikov, who said instructors will only share updates when the engineers and technicians have mastered their new skills.

In addition to learning how to use the F-16, which will help Ukraine counter Russian air power, trainees will get English-language training in technical terminology because “the basic level of English language is not enough.”

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/08/20/ukrainian-pilots-begin-training-on-f-16-fighter-jets/

[Elderberry]

FIGHTING BACK Massive explosion as kamikaze drone smashes into Russian air base damaging one of Putin’s prized supersonic bombers

The Sun by     Sarah Hooper Will Stewart 8/19/2023

ONE of Putin's prized war planes has been damaged after a kamikaze drone strike deep inside Russian territory.

The attack, at the military airport in the Novgorod region more than 700 miles from Ukraine, witnessed a "helicopter style" drone.

The ministry said nobody was hurt and the fire was quickly extinguished.

The aircrafts which survived the attack are reportedly being being moved to an airfield in the Murmansk region.

The Russian defence ministry admitted a strike: “The Kyiv regime carried out a terrorist attack using a copter-type UAV on a military airfield in Novgorod region."

A Ukrainian Telegram channel has said that two Tu-22M3 supersonic bombers were damaged during the strike.

More: https://www.the-sun.com/news/8879175/explosion-kamikaze-drone-russian-air-base-ukraine-supersonic/

[Hoodat]

Russian armored column destroyed near Mykolaivka Druha:

https://twitter.com/astraiaintel/status/1693371559518347367

[Hoodat]

Tu-22M3 bomber completely destroyed at Soltsy

[Timber Rattler]

Russian armored column destroyed near Mykolaivka Druha:

Just look at that landscape!  It looks exactly like something from the Western Front of World War I!

[Kamaji]

Russian airfield is obliterated by Ukraine kamikaze drone as video captures moment another attack wipes out key railway station used to transport Putin's weapons, troops and ammunition

Russia tried downplaying the destruction of one of its prized supersonic bombers

By PERKIN AMALARAJ and WILL STEWART
20 August 2023

Ukraine has launched two major kamikaze drone strikes that took out one of Putin's prized nuclear bombers in a spectacular fireball and caused significant damage to a train station used to supply Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

New footage of the strike on Soltsy airbase in the Novgorod region shows one of Russia's nuclear bombers being swallowed by an enormous fireball.

Smoke billowing from the fireball could be seen for miles around.

Russia's defence ministry tried downplaying the attack, claiming that just one of the bombers was hit:

'The Kyiv regime carried out a terrorist attack using a copter-type UAV on a military airfield in Novgorod region.

'As a result of the terrorist attack on the territory of the airfield, a fire broke out in the aircraft parking lot, which was promptly eliminated by fire brigades.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12425635/Moment-key-railway-station-Russia-hit-Ukrainian-kamikaze-drone-strike-taking-line-used-transport-Putins-weapons-troops-ammunition.html

[ScottinVA]

Russian armored column destroyed near Mykolaivka Druha:

https://twitter.com/astraiaintel/status/1693371559518347367

Anytime Russians and/or their military hardware are lit up is a beautiful thing! 

[sneakypete]

All the massive amounts of failures suffered by the Soviets does is illustrate the power of a police state,where the government controls the dialogue.

Yeah,I SUSPECT the typical Soviet citizen of today knows as much about what is REALLY going on as they want to know,or at least as much as those of us in the west know.

The difference is in the Soviet police state,you can lose your home,your job,and go to a labor camp if caught talking about it in public.

They know,though. Trust me on this.

Pooty-poot and his flunkies know this too,and you can bet they lay in their beds trembling in fear every night because IF these losses keep mounting,and there are no indications they won't given the new western Jet fighters given to Ukraine,The Soviet Madhouse HAS to eventually collapse,and when it does,there is going to be a truly terrible price to be paid by the former rulers.

[PeteS in CA]

Russian armored column destroyed near Mykolaivka Druha:
...

This appears to have happened in occupied Donetsk Oblast, north of the city of Donetsk.

[kevindavis007]

All I gotta say is this:


If Ukraine manages to hold on and defeat Russia, the big bad KGB Putin will have lost a war to a former comedian (with western help).

[DB]

All I gotta say is this:


If Ukraine manages to hold on and defeat Russia, the big bad KGB Putin will have lost a war to a former comedian (with western help).

Well a B movie star crushed the soviet union - so it is kind of fitting...

[Kamaji]

Well a B movie star crushed the soviet union - so it is kind of fitting...

[Smokin Joe]

Anytime Russians and/or their military hardware are lit up is a beautiful thing!

Two of those aare likely repairable, tracks are off, hatches open (crew bailed after the 'mobility kills' made the tanks static targets. If the Ukrainians can recover and repair them, they will gain what the Russians lose.

[mountaineer]

 Ukraine’s Bogged-Down Counteroffensive
A military intelligence source explains why advanced weapons from the West might not be the answer.
by Paul Glastris August 21, 2023

The news out of Ukraine paints a sobering, though hardly hopeless, picture of the country’s counteroffensive against dug-in Russian forces. The Washington Post warns that Ukraine is “running out of options to retake significant territory.”

At the same time, The New York Times reports that while progress is slow, Ukrainian soldiers and commanders “say they are in better shape now than six or 12 months ago.”

Meanwhile, debate continues over the Biden administration’s reluctance to provide Kyiv with certain advanced weaponry. I had a text exchange about this with a source who has had a decades-long career in the U.S. military and the intelligence community, serving both in and out of government. The source requested anonymity to speak freely. The following Q&A has been edited for clarity.   ...
Washington Monthly

[mountaineer]

It appears that Ukraine either is winning or losing this war. Ditto for Russia. 

Robert F. Kennedy Jr
@RobertKennedyJr
Even the Washington Post now admits that the ballyhooed Ukraine “counteroffensive” has utterly failed. The truth Americans aren't told is that the Ukrainian army is near collapse.

https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1693645790919409684

[catfish1957]

Surprised more hasn't been made of the Ruskies failed Moon mission this weekend.  This just shows how far the first country to reach space has fallen on the totem poll of space exploration.

Just another massive embarassment for Putin, and I'm loving it.

[Kamaji]

It appears that Ukraine either is winning or losing this war. Ditto for Russia. 

Robert F. Kennedy Jr
@RobertKennedyJr
Even the Washington Post now admits that the ballyhooed Ukraine “counteroffensive” has utterly failed. The truth Americans aren't told is that the Ukrainian army is near collapse.

https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1693645790919409684

The Washington Post did nothing of the sort.

RFKJr is a lying sack of shit ('course, he is a democrat, so that's hardly surprising).

[DB]

It appears that Ukraine either is winning or losing this war. Ditto for Russia. 

Robert F. Kennedy Jr
@RobertKennedyJr
Even the Washington Post now admits that the ballyhooed Ukraine “counteroffensive” has utterly failed. The truth Americans aren't told is that the Ukrainian army is near collapse.

https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1693645790919409684

Only idiots would think an offensive has "utterly failed" against a dug in enemy in the course of a few months. Did they think they were just going to waltz in despite the year the Russians had to dig in? It takes time clear mines, blown bridges and trenches out and grind down the enemy. Just more veiled rooting for Putin so they can say they were right - right about something they've been wrong about since the start.