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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1150 on: August 04, 2023, 12:05:20 am »
it's got to make the geezer Generals in Moscow nervous about their own positions

Being a general in Moskow is like strapping on a suicide bomb. It is only the tick tick tok until you suicide or fall off a balcony.
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True,but  at SOME point even Russian Generals have to become aware of the FACT that doing noting is  more dangerous to THEM than going along with the flow.

No way in HELL is Putin going to take the blame,so who is next in line if not the Generals?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1151 on: August 04, 2023, 07:02:48 am »
Russia accuses Ukraine of attacking Black Sea navy base and Crimea with drones

By Associated Press
August 4, 2023

Russia accused Ukraine early Friday of attacking its Black Sea navy base in the port of Novorossiysk with sea drones.

The attack on Novorossiysk is the first time a commercial Russian port has been targeted in the 18-month war.

The city is a major port on the Black Sea and hosts a naval base, shipbuilding yards and an oil terminal. It is a key port for Russian exports.

Novorossiysk is just across the water from Crimea, where Russia’s Ministry of Defense said it thwarted another attack by Ukraine overnight, taking down 13 drones.

Russia’s Ministry of Defense said Russian ships patrolling the perimeter of the naval base destroyed two Ukrainian sea drones.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/08/04/russia-accuses-ukraine-of-attacking-black-sea-navy-base-and-crimea-with-drones/

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1152 on: August 04, 2023, 07:03:44 am »
Russians tortured nearly half of Kherson prisoners, some with genital electrocution: report

By Isabel Keane
August 2, 2023

Nearly half of the Ukrainians held by Russian troops in detention centers in Kherson encountered widespread torture and sexual violence — with some even being subjected to genital electrocution, war crime investigators said in a report released Wednesday.

The report analyzed 320 cases of imprisonment across 35 detention centers in Kherson and found at least 43% of victims “explicitly mentioned practices of torture in the detention centers, citing sexual violence as a common tactic imposed on them by Russian guards.”

The report was compiled by a Mobile Justice Team formed by international human rights firm Global Rights Compliance, which has supported Ukraine’s Office of the Prosecutor General (OPG) with its war crimes investigations since the Kherson region was reclaimed from Russia in November.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/08/02/kherson-prisoners-subjected-to-torture-including-genital-electrocution/

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1153 on: August 04, 2023, 07:04:18 am »
Russians tortured nearly half of Kherson prisoners, some with genital electrocution: report

By Isabel Keane
August 2, 2023

Nearly half of the Ukrainians held by Russian troops in detention centers in Kherson encountered widespread torture and sexual violence — with some even being subjected to genital electrocution, war crime investigators said in a report released Wednesday.

The report analyzed 320 cases of imprisonment across 35 detention centers in Kherson and found at least 43% of victims “explicitly mentioned practices of torture in the detention centers, citing sexual violence as a common tactic imposed on them by Russian guards.”

The report was compiled by a Mobile Justice Team formed by international human rights firm Global Rights Compliance, which has supported Ukraine’s Office of the Prosecutor General (OPG) with its war crimes investigations since the Kherson region was reclaimed from Russia in November.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/08/02/kherson-prisoners-subjected-to-torture-including-genital-electrocution/

But, according to those on TOS, and even a few here, the Russians are the good guys, because, well, because they outlawed gay marriage.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1154 on: August 04, 2023, 09:28:03 am »
Russia accuses Ukraine of attacking Black Sea navy base and Crimea with drones

By Associated Press
August 4, 2023

Russia accused Ukraine early Friday of attacking its Black Sea navy base in the port of Novorossiysk with sea drones.
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The city is a major port on the Black Sea and hosts a naval base, shipbuilding yards and an oil terminal. It is a key port for Russian exports.

Novorossiysk is just across the water from Crimea, where Russia’s Ministry of Defense said it thwarted another attack by Ukraine overnight, taking down 13 drones.
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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/08/04/russia-accuses-ukraine-of-attacking-black-sea-navy-base-and-crimea-with-drones/

I would say "Credited". Novorossiysk is both a naval base and a supply port for occupied Crimea and Zaporizhia. It's a valid and important military target. Putin can end the whole bloody mess by GTFO of Ukraine, Crimea included.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1155 on: August 04, 2023, 09:37:53 am »
But, according to those on TOS, and even a few here, the Russians are the good guys, because, well, because they outlawed gay marriage.

TOSers want Putin to rebuild the Stalinist-Czarist empire? Why? Are they hoping for Holodomor 2.0?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1156 on: August 04, 2023, 09:42:43 am »
TOSers want Putin to rebuild the Stalinist-Czarist empire? Why? Are they hoping for Holodomor 2.0?

They're not thinking.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1157 on: August 04, 2023, 10:08:20 am »
But, according to those on TOS, and even a few here, the Russians are the good guys, because, well, because they outlawed gay marriage.

Yup.  They seem to make this weird linkage between what Russia's policy on gay marriage  is, and what our is.  As if what Russia''s policies are will somehow change what he do here.

The two things have nothing to do with each other, but they argue that puts Russia on "our side".

Strange little people over at that place now.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1158 on: August 04, 2023, 10:10:08 am »
TOSers want Putin to rebuild the Stalinist-Czarist empire? Why? Are they hoping for Holodomor 2.0?

Because they see Ukraine as the tool of the EU, WEF, Klaus Schwab, and globalism.   So defeating Ukraine will weaken those things.

That's their logic.  I think it's got more holes than cheese, but that's the "why".

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1159 on: August 04, 2023, 10:23:16 am »
Looks like Ukraine managed to score a hit.

BREAKING:  Russian Navy Ship Heavily Damaged by Ukrainian Drone Strike

By streiff
August 04, 2023

Early Friday morning, a Ukrainian unmanned surface vehicle (USV) successfully attacked the Russian Black Sea Fleet port of Novorossiysk. The target was the Ropucha-class landing ship (LST) Olenegorski Gornjak. Video shows a damaged LST listing heavily and attended by other vehicles. Video has been released purporting to be from the onboard camera of the USV; I’m dropping it here without any opinion on its authenticity. The Russians claim to have destroyed two USVs, but close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

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Here are additional videos of a Ropucha-class LST under tow and listing heavily to port which matches the location of the strike.


https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1687349918451564544

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https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1687402340771360772

The Ropucha-class is a “Landing Ship, Tank” landing ship. It has roll-on/roll-off capability with a shallow draft that can land tanks nearly on shore.

Novrossiysk is one of the largest ports in the Black Sea basin and one of the two major ports of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet.

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Source:  https://redstate.com/streiff/2023/08/04/breaking-russian-navy-ship-heavily-damaged-by-ukrainian-drone-strike-n787198


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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1160 on: August 04, 2023, 10:45:50 am »
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Novrossiysk is one of the largest ports in the Black Sea basin and one of the two major ports of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet.
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The other being Sevastopol in Crimea, which is well within range of Ukrainian rockets, missiles, and drones. A few "perfect" strikes from any/all of those won't destroy either base - Duh-uhhhh! - but damaging ships and facilities mission-kill what is hit, and establish a context of threat. I'm sure the orcs would love to have the assets protecting Novorossiyisk instead on their front lines in Zaporizhia and Donetsk.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1161 on: August 04, 2023, 10:46:55 am »
The other being Sevastopol in Crimea, which is well within range of Ukrainian rockets, missiles, and drones. A few "perfect" strikes from any/all of those won't destroy either base - Duh-uhhhh! - but damaging ships and facilities mission-kill what is hit, and establish a context of threat. I'm sure the orcs would love to have the assets protecting Novorossiyisk instead on their front lines in Zaporizhia and Donetsk.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1162 on: August 04, 2023, 11:02:24 am »
Because they see Ukraine as the tool of the EU, WEF, Klaus Schwab, and globalism.   So defeating Ukraine will weaken those things.

That's their logic.  I think it's got more holes than cheese, but that's the "why".

One of them actually told me the other day that he wanted to rebuild the Russian Empire and thought that things would be better now if the Soviet Union had won the Cold War.

Seriously?

They even want to see the U.S. military defeated in Europe and our cities nuked, just so that our country will somehow be rebuilt more to their liking.  And yes, several have said this openly on the forum.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1163 on: August 04, 2023, 11:18:01 am »
This is Putin's war.  He does not want the Ukrainan people to decide their own future.

Much like Hitler, Mussolini, and Napoleon III, Putin wants to restore a rump state to its previous imperial glory ... and many will die for a madman's aspirations.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1164 on: August 04, 2023, 11:55:07 am »
One of them actually told me the other day that he wanted to rebuild the Russian Empire and thought that things would be better now if the Soviet Union had won the Cold War.

Seriously?

They even want to see the U.S. military defeated in Europe and our cities nuked, just so that our country will somehow be rebuilt more to their liking.  And yes, several have said this openly on the forum.

I've read that same thing over there.  They don't side with "the United States" anymore because they view the country as essentially being under the occupation of the Biden regime.  So actually, the current iteration of the U.S. are the bad guys, and they actively root against us internationally.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1165 on: August 04, 2023, 11:56:51 am »
The other being Sevastopol in Crimea, which is well within range of Ukrainian rockets, missiles, and drones. A few "perfect" strikes from any/all of those won't destroy either base - Duh-uhhhh! - but damaging ships and facilities mission-kill what is hit, and establish a context of threat. I'm sure the orcs would love to have the assets protecting Novorossiyisk instead on their front lines in Zaporizhia and Donetsk.

The issue is going to be that with the Kerch bridge damaged, and the overland route subject to interdiction, keeping supplies (especially water) flowing to the Crimea will be dependent upon shipping.  So if the Ukrainians can damage that enough, the Russians have a major problem.

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« Reply #1166 on: August 04, 2023, 12:14:01 pm »
They even want to see the U.S. military defeated in Europe and our cities nuked, just so that our country will somehow be rebuilt more to their liking.  And yes, several have said this openly on the forum.


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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1167 on: August 04, 2023, 03:15:21 pm »
Russian ship hit in Novorossiysk, Black Sea drone attack, Ukraine sources say

BBC by James Waterhouse in Kyiv & Kathryn Armstrong in London 8/4/2023

A Russian naval ship has been damaged in a Ukrainian naval drone attack in the Black Sea, Ukrainian sources say.

The assault reportedly occurred near the Russian port of Novorossiysk, which is a major hub for Russian exports.

Russia's defence ministry said it had repelled a Ukrainian attack on its naval base there which involved two sea drones, but did not admit any damage.

But Ukrainian security service sources say the Olenegorsky Gornyak was hit and suffered a serious breach.

They told the BBC a sea drone was carrying 4 0kg (992lb) of dynamite when it hit the ship.

Russia made no mention of any damage in its report of the incident.

Sea drones are small, unmanned vessels which operate on or below the water's surface.

A video sent to the BBC by a source with Ukraine's security service appears to show the drone approaching a ship thought to be the Olenegorsky Gornyak.

The footage shows a vessel travelling right up to the side of a ship before the feed cuts out, apparently on impact.

More: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66402046

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1168 on: August 04, 2023, 03:58:44 pm »
I was not aware a drone could carry that much payload.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1169 on: August 04, 2023, 04:00:15 pm »
But, according to those on TOS, and even a few here, the Russians are the good guys, because, well, because they outlawed gay marriage.

@Kamaji

In MY  NSHO,Homo Marriage doesn't have a single damn  thing to do with  it.

The  plain facts are even though they talk a lot of Bush, they are afraid of being nuked by the Russians.

The "Better Red than Dead Crowd",even though not a single one of them will admit  it,and if push comes to shove,the  leadership of the Surrender Monkey Movement.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1170 on: August 04, 2023, 04:00:51 pm »
I was not aware a drone could carry that much payload.

These were sea-drones, not flying drones, so they could carry considerably more payload than the typical flying drone.  That being said, flying drones can carry large payloads as well now.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1171 on: August 04, 2023, 04:06:51 pm »
I would say "Credited". Novorossiysk is both a naval base and a supply port for occupied Crimea and Zaporizhia. It's a valid and important military target. Putin can end the whole bloody mess by GTFO of Ukraine, Crimea included.

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No,he can't,because doing  so would be admitting he made mistakes,and Maximum Leaders NEVER make mistakes because  if they do,they end up out of power and facing a death penalty for some offense like "leading the nation into the danger  of defeat".

I do NOT  know this to be a fact,but SUSPECT the Politburo has agents keeping a VERY  close watch over Pooty-Poots huge yacht,as well as his personal Soviet version of a 727.

He is now trapped in a hell of his own making. He either wins a war he can't win,or he becomes powerless and his only assets are any cash he can steal and deposit in foreign banks under false names before he tries to escape Russia.

In America,failed leaders are removed from office come election time,and retire on a pension. In Russia,failed leaders are backed against a wall and shot for endangering Communism by making it look weak.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1172 on: August 04, 2023, 04:11:54 pm »
Yup.  They seem to make this weird linkage between what Russia's policy on gay marriage  is, and what our is.  As if what Russia''s policies are will somehow change what he do here.

The two things have nothing to do with each other, but they argue that puts Russia on "our side".

Strange little people over at that place now.

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There is nothing strange about Surrender Monkeys. They are people who would rather be slaves than risk losing their lives to remain free.

The only thing strange about them is their reluctance to admit to being surrender monkeys. If you are too afraid to fight for your freedoms,admit it. We need to know so we know we can't count on you if push comes to shove,but other than that,speaking solely for myself,I don't give a damn. I would rather know I can't count on you in the future than to find out in the future that I can't count on you.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1173 on: August 04, 2023, 04:13:45 pm »
Because they see Ukraine as the tool of the EU, WEF, Klaus Schwab, and globalism.    

@Maj. Bill Martin

They have Ukraine confused with the 'murikan Dim Party and their RINO butt-brothers?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1174 on: August 04, 2023, 04:23:17 pm »
This is Putin's war.  He does not want the Ukrainan people to decide their own future.

Much like Hitler, Mussolini, and Napoleon III, Putin wants to restore a rump state to its previous imperial glory ... and many will die for a madman's aspirations.

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I SUSPECT his prime concern at the moment is trying to figure out a way to climb out of the hole he dug without getting executed by the Politburo.

Don't forget,he was a senior Intelligence officer in the Soviet Army,not an infantry officer. When it comes to actual warfare,he is like a child with plastic building blocks. It SEEMS that his ONLY chance of winning is to fire off a couple of tactical nukes,but he also knows that IF he does this (and IF he isn't immediately arrested by orders from the Politburo for issuing the orders),the USSR may well be/probably WILL be hit with nukes in return. There is no way in hell the western nations in northern Europe can just sit by and allow nukes to be detonated next door,and then not responding in kind.

I THINK (and HOPE) that IF he ever gives the orders to launch nukes that he will immediately  be arrested,but WTH REALLY knows what the dedicated Soviet "minds" think?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1175 on: August 04, 2023, 04:32:51 pm »
One of them actually told me the other day that he wanted to rebuild the Russian Empire and thought that things would be better now if the Soviet Union had won the Cold War.

Seriously?

They even want to see the U.S. military defeated in Europe and our cities nuked, just so that our country will somehow be rebuilt more to their liking.  And yes, several have said this openly on the forum.

Those pukes over at the Fealty to Russia site are so blinded by their adoration of Putin, they are completely removed from all bounds of reality.  And… I bet I know who at TOS longs for a reestablishment of the Russian empire.

But their deluded selves can take comfort in the fact the Russian military is the second most powerful… in Ukraine.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1176 on: August 04, 2023, 04:44:01 pm »
Russians tortured nearly half of Kherson prisoners, some with genital electrocution: report

By Isabel Keane
August 2, 2023

Nearly half of the Ukrainians held by Russian troops in detention centers in Kherson encountered widespread torture and sexual violence — with some even being subjected to genital electrocution, war crime investigators said in a report released Wednesday.

The report analyzed 320 cases of imprisonment across 35 detention centers in Kherson and found at least 43% of victims “explicitly mentioned practices of torture in the detention centers, citing sexual violence as a common tactic imposed on them by Russian guards.”

The report was compiled by a Mobile Justice Team formed by international human rights firm Global Rights Compliance, which has supported Ukraine’s Office of the Prosecutor General (OPG) with its war crimes investigations since the Kherson region was reclaimed from Russia in November.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/08/02/kherson-prisoners-subjected-to-torture-including-genital-electrocution/

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1177 on: August 04, 2023, 04:52:16 pm »
I was not aware a drone could carry that much payload.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1178 on: August 04, 2023, 04:53:21 pm »
Those pukes over at the Fealty to Russia site are so blinded by their adoration of Putin, they are completely removed from all bounds of reality.  And… I bet I know who at TOS longs for a reestablishment of the Russian empire.

But their deluded selves can take comfort in the fact the Russian military is the second most powerful… in Ukraine.


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HTH can ANYONE  adore Putin?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1179 on: August 04, 2023, 04:56:03 pm »
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There is nothing strange about Surrender Monkeys. They are people who would rather be slaves than risk losing their lives to remain free.

The only thing strange about them is their reluctance to admit to being surrender monkeys. If you are too afraid to fight for your freedoms,admit it. We need to know so we know we can't count on you if push comes to shove,but other than that,speaking solely for myself,I don't give a damn. I would rather know I can't count on you in the future than to find out in the future that I can't count on you.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1180 on: August 04, 2023, 05:02:06 pm »
Surrender monkeys have been a problem for a long time, @sneakypete  Even Sam Adams had something to say about them.



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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1181 on: August 04, 2023, 07:12:32 pm »
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HTH can ANYONE  adore Putin?

Their mindset is such that they would actually collaborate with the Russians if Putin ever launched an invasion of the U.S., just to save their own skins and bring "peace" to the country.  Kinda like the slimy homefront villains you'd see in a 1980s Cold War flick like Red Dawn or Amerika.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1182 on: August 04, 2023, 07:17:50 pm »
Their mindset is such that they would actually collaborate with the Russians if Putin ever launched an invasion of the U.S., just to save their own skins and bring "peace" to the country.  Kinda like the slimy homefront villains you'd see in a 1980s Cold War flick like Red Dawn or Amerika.

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Ok,the people you are describing are people who are afraid of dying to the point  they would happily become slaves if their new masters promised to not kill them.

Has NOTHING to do with  peace,and everything to do with  personal survival at any cost.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1183 on: August 04, 2023, 08:49:57 pm »
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Ok,the people you are describing are people who are afraid of dying to the point  they would happily become slaves if their new masters promised to not kill them.

Has NOTHING to do with  peace,and everything to do with  personal survival at any cost.
including a complete lack of loyalty or honor. Such people do not make good friends, or even mere acquaintances.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1184 on: August 05, 2023, 08:38:57 am »
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Ok,the people you are describing are people who are afraid of dying to the point  they would happily become slaves if their new masters promised to not kill them.

Has NOTHING to do with  peace,and everything to do with  personal survival at any cost.

That's exactly right.  They would rather live on their knees than fight and die for their liberty, and have said as much at TOS.  And they call themselves Conservatives?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1185 on: August 05, 2023, 09:48:17 am »
That's exactly right.  They would rather live on their knees than fight and die for their liberty, and have said as much at TOS.  And they call themselves Conservatives?


I bet you those are the same people who call themselves Patriots.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1186 on: August 05, 2023, 09:52:27 am »
What the Hell is going on right now?
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1187 on: August 05, 2023, 10:03:17 am »

I bet you those are the same people who call themselves Patriots.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1188 on: August 05, 2023, 03:40:24 pm »
Russia promises retaliation after Ukrainian drones hit a Russian tanker in 2nd sea attack in a day

Pittsburgh Post Gazette by Hanna Arhirova 8/5/2023

KYIV, Ukraine — Moscow promised retaliation Saturday after Ukrainian drones hit a Russian tanker in the Black Sea near Crimea late Friday, the second sea attack involving drones in one day.

Ukraine struck a major Russian port earlier on Friday.

Moscow strongly condemned what it sees as a Ukrainian “terrorist attack” on a civilian vessel in the Kerch Strait, said Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova.

“There can be no justification for such barbaric actions, they will not go unanswered and their authors and perpetrators will inevitably be punished,” she wrote on the Telegram messaging app.

As Kyiv’s naval capabilities grow, the Black Sea is becoming an increasingly important battleground in the war.

Three weeks ago, Moscow withdrew from a key export agreement that allowed Ukraine to ship millions of tons of grain across the Black Sea for sale on world markets. In the wake of that withdrawal, Russia carried out repeated strikes on Ukrainian ports, including Odesa.

An official with Ukraine’s Security Service confirmed to The Associated Press that the service was behind the attack on the tanker, which was transporting fuel for Russian forces. A sea drone, filled with 992 pounds of TNT, was used for the attack, added the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to give official statements.

“The Sig tanker ... suffered a hole in the engine room near the waterline on the starboard side, presumably as a result of a sea drone attack,” Russia’s Federal Agency for Marine and River Transport wrote on Telegram, adding that there were no casualties among the 11 crew members.

More: https://www.post-gazette.com/news/world/2023/08/05/russia-ukraine-drones-tanker-sea-attack-zelenskyy-putin-kyiv-moscow/stories/202308050085

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1189 on: August 05, 2023, 03:46:47 pm »
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Moscow strongly condemned what it sees as a Ukrainian “terrorist attack” on a civilian vessel in the Kerch Strait, said Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1190 on: August 05, 2023, 03:53:04 pm »
Russia promises retaliation after Ukrainian drones hit a Russian tanker in 2nd sea attack in a day

Pittsburgh Post Gazette by Hanna Arhirova 8/5/2023

KYIV, Ukraine — Moscow promised retaliation Saturday after Ukrainian drones hit a Russian tanker in the Black Sea near Crimea late Friday, the second sea attack involving drones in one day.

Ukraine struck a major Russian port earlier on Friday.

Moscow strongly condemned what it sees as a Ukrainian “terrorist attack” on a civilian vessel in the Kerch Strait, said Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova.

“There can be no justification for such barbaric actions, they will not go unanswered and their authors and perpetrators will inevitably be punished,” she wrote on the Telegram messaging app.

As Kyiv’s naval capabilities grow, the Black Sea is becoming an increasingly important battleground in the war.

Three weeks ago, Moscow withdrew from a key export agreement that allowed Ukraine to ship millions of tons of grain across the Black Sea for sale on world markets. In the wake of that withdrawal, Russia carried out repeated strikes on Ukrainian ports, including Odesa.

An official with Ukraine’s Security Service confirmed to The Associated Press that the service was behind the attack on the tanker, which was transporting fuel for Russian forces. A sea drone, filled with 992 pounds of TNT, was used for the attack, added the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to give official statements.

“The Sig tanker ... suffered a hole in the engine room near the waterline on the starboard side, presumably as a result of a sea drone attack,” Russia’s Federal Agency for Marine and River Transport wrote on Telegram, adding that there were no casualties among the 11 crew members.

More: https://www.post-gazette.com/news/world/2023/08/05/russia-ukraine-drones-tanker-sea-attack-zelenskyy-putin-kyiv-moscow/stories/202308050085

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So,Russia is now going to  retaliate for another nation fighting back after being invaded  by Russia?

Does the word "retaliate" NOT translate very well into Russian?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1191 on: August 05, 2023, 04:21:57 pm »
One of them actually told me the other day that he wanted to rebuild the Russian Empire and thought that things would be better now if the Soviet Union had won the Cold War.

Seriously?

They even want to see the U.S. military defeated in Europe and our cities nuked, just so that our country will somehow be rebuilt more to their liking.  And yes, several have said this openly on the forum.

Disturbing. :shrug:

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1192 on: August 05, 2023, 08:52:25 pm »
Ukraine 'blows hole' in Russian warship I Ukraine the Latest | Podcast

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A Ukrainian drone attacked a Russian tanker in the Black Sea, tearing a hole in the vessels engine room.

”Overnight the (Ukrainian Security Service) SBU blew up the ‘SIG’, a large oil tanker of the Russian Federation that was transporting fuel for Russian troops,” a source in the security service said.

The vessel has been sanctioned by the US for transporting fuel to Russian forces in Syria.

No one was killed in the attack, but Vladimir Rogov, a Russian-installed official in the southern Ukrainian region of Zaporizhzhia, had earlier said several members of the ship’s crew of 11 were injured by broken glass.

The tanker was hit at around 11.20pm on Friday, south of the Kerch Strait, Russia’s Federal Agency for Sea and Inland Water Transport said.

The department added that the tanker suffered a hole at the waterline in the area of the engine room, “presumably as a result of an attack by a marine drone,” but that the ship was still afloat.


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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1193 on: August 05, 2023, 09:23:05 pm »
WOW!

They are damn lucky the ship didn't catch  on fire.

Don't even remember hearing about a oil tanker being hit before without it catching on fire.

Maybe the warhead was a dud?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1194 on: August 05, 2023, 11:50:35 pm »
Russia promises retaliation after Ukrainian drones hit a Russian tanker in 2nd sea attack in a day

Retaliation?  So what is Russia gonna do?  Fire a bunch of missiles at Ukrainian civilian targets?  Blow up a major dam?  Kidnap Ukrainian children and ship them to Russia?  Burn food crops?  Rape and execute civilians and pile their bodies into mass graves?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1196 on: August 06, 2023, 06:44:56 am »
Images Show Fortifications Being Built Near Suspected Wagner Camp In Belarus

Radio Free Europe 8/2/2023


Belarus - Title image. The construction of fortifications at the military training ground "Repishcha" near Asipovichy
 and not far from the Wagner camp. 31JUL2023

Fortifications are being actively constructed near the tent camp of the private Wagner mercenary group in the village of Tsel in eastern Belarus, the site believed to be where troops from Yevgeny Prigozhin's company have settled after its aborted mutiny in Russia in late June.

Images from the Planet Labs service obtained by RFE/RL show what appear to be trenches being dug out at the Repishcha military test field, 15 kilometers from the suspected Wagner camp. Bulldozers and minibuses can be seen near the construction sites.

Previous images from Planet Labs have shown increasing numbers of pieces of equipment, trucks, and other types of vehicles in Tsel.

Last weekend, Belarus's Defense Ministry said it plans to carry out military exercises with an artillery brigade at Repishcha that involve instructors from Wagner. Drones will also be involved in the maneuvers.

More: https://www.rferl.org/a/belarus-wagner-camp-fortifications/32531158.html

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1197 on: August 06, 2023, 06:54:17 am »
Ukrainian Naval Drones Hit A Tanker, Gives Russia Another Dilemma

Lawrence Person's BattleSwarm Blog 8/4/2023

Ukraine is stepping up it’s naval drone game, as they just hit a Russian tanker.

    A Ukrainian sea drone full of explosives struck a Russian fuel tanker overnight near a bridge linking Russia to annexed Crimea, the second such attack in 24 hours, both sides said on Saturday.

    Kyiv says destroying Russia’s military infrastructure inside Russia or on Russian-controlled territory in Ukraine is crucial to its counteroffensive after the February 2022 invasion.

    Another sea drone attack on Russia’s navy base at Novorossiysk damaged a warship on Friday, the first time the Ukrainian navy had projected its power so far from its shores.

Suchomimus has two separate videos up about the attack, the second of which includes footage of the strike itself:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpS9Aj6Big0&t=0s

To me one of the interesting things in that video is not about the attack itself, but the sat pic 25 seconds in that shows over a dozen ships anchored some 20km south of the Kerch Strait Bridge. I don’t know why they’re doing that (Escorting them one at a time through the strait? Port capacity?), but an anchorage area like that offers a target-rich environment now that we know Ukraine has the capability to hit it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxqlB87MB-Y

That video shows a guided rather than pre-programmed drone, as it corrects course to hit the tanker.

More: https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=55538

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1198 on: August 06, 2023, 08:23:30 am »
Putin's cruel revenge: Russia bombs blood bank in Kharkiv after Kremlin's blunt threat of retaliation for Ukrainian drone attacks on warships

By JACK WRIGHT
5 August 2023

Vladimir Putin bombed a Ukrainian blood bank tonight in revenge for drone strikes on Russian warships in the Black Sea.

President Volodymyr Zelensky denounced the deadly strike on a blood transfusion centre in the Kharkiv region of northeast Ukraine as a 'war crime' as Moscow escalated its attacks in the war-torn country.

A separate strike struck a key factory, both attacks coming just hours after Kyiv hit a Russian tanker in the Kerch Strait. The attacks were the latest since Moscow exited a deal last month that had ensured Ukrainian grain exports despite the ongoing conflict.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12377033/Putins-cruel-revenge-Russia-bombs-blood-bank-Kharkiv-Kremlins-blunt-threat-retaliation-Ukrainian-drone-attacks-warships.html

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1199 on: August 06, 2023, 08:32:27 am »
Putin's cruel revenge: Russia bombs blood bank in Kharkiv after Kremlin's blunt threat of retaliation for Ukrainian drone attacks on warships

By JACK WRIGHT
5 August 2023

Vladimir Putin bombed a Ukrainian blood bank tonight in revenge for drone strikes on Russian warships in the Black Sea.

President Volodymyr Zelensky denounced the deadly strike on a blood transfusion centre in the Kharkiv region of northeast Ukraine as a 'war crime' as Moscow escalated its attacks in the war-torn country.

A separate strike struck a key factory, both attacks coming just hours after Kyiv hit a Russian tanker in the Kerch Strait. The attacks were the latest since Moscow exited a deal last month that had ensured Ukrainian grain exports despite the ongoing conflict.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12377033/Putins-cruel-revenge-Russia-bombs-blood-bank-Kharkiv-Kremlins-blunt-threat-retaliation-Ukrainian-drone-attacks-warships.html

In a just world, Putin would be run feet first through a wood chipper and Russia would be dismembered into 25 mini states that would not threaten their neighbors.