Memo to GOP: The way to 2024 victory is with winner DeSantis — not loser Trump

[libertybele]

I hadn't heard of Brandon either until Obama's reign of terror and transforming our Republic.  Brandon is merely finishing "the job".

[sneakypete]

I really hadn't heard of him till he claimed O'bummer was an articulate negro

@Wingnut

I have chemo brain,so my memory ain't what it used to be,but I honestly don't remember hearing his name until he ran for President.

[massadvj]

Do you think MI. and PA. are unattainable because the votes aren't there or because the election aparati have been so screwed in those states that NO Republican can win now? @massadvj

I spend half the year in Pennsylvania. I think the demographics here have now put this state in the blue column for good.  Too many older voters have died or moved out, and even the legislature has gone Dem.  I don't see any Republican winning here.  As for Michigan, I think it is much the same story.

[sneakypete]

I spend half the year in Pennsylvania. I think the demographics here have now put this state in the blue column for good.  Too many older voters have died or moved out, and even the legislature has gone Dem.  I don't see any Republican winning here.  As for Michigan, I think it is much the same story.

@massadvj

I think you are right.

Unless the GOP can figure out some way to attract the younger voters,they will soon be history. I have no idea who or what will replace them,but their demise before a conservative "resistance" can be formed will only make it worse.

And at my age,I don't expect to live long enough to even see that begin to happen.

[LMAO]

I really hadn't heard of him till he claimed O'bummer was an articulate negro

Biden has been a gaffe machine for as far back as I remember

[Bigun]

I spend half the year in Pennsylvania. I think the demographics here have now put this state in the blue column for good.  Too many older voters have died or moved out, and even the legislature has gone Dem.  I don't see any Republican winning here.  As for Michigan, I think it is much the same story.

Thanks Victor! I value your insights here BECAUSE you spend half your life in Pennsylvania. I wonder though, if that isn't somewhat clouded by the half you spend there being on a college campus.

Whether you are right or not, the window to fix the problem is now closed and won't be opened again by any legal means. @massadvj

[Fishrrman]

Bigun wrote:
"Do you think MI. and PA. are unattainable because the votes aren't there or because the election aparati have been so screwed in those states that NO Republican can win now?"

Hmmm....
Comrade Bigun, I'm very pleased to see you using (and understanding) the term I've been posting here for going on three years now:
The "underground election apparatus" of the dem-communist Party.

It's why Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and probably now Arizona and Georgia are "lost" to the Republicans, at least for presidential and perhaps most senate elections as well.

The Party itself was surprised at how well its nascent apparatus worked back in 2020 -- and since then great efforts are being undertaken to refine and improve its performance.

But keep in mind that as well as being "underground", The Party has had great success in building its "above-ground, in plain-sight" apparatus as well. This includes such things as
- ballot harvesting
- mail in voting
- provisional voting
- unrestricted use of absentee ballots
- ranked choice voting
... etc.

All are presented to the masses as "election reform" -- but ALL of them quietly serve the goals of the apparatus.

And of course, "the goal" of the apparatus itself is to "control" elections where needed.

This is why you don't see much griping from The Party about the Electoral College any more -- because the underground/above-ground apparatus has now swung the power of the Electoral College towards The Party's side.

They intend to keep it that way.

That's why I smile every time I read a post from the ne'ertrumpers here about how Ron DeSantis is going to win where Mr. Trump could not.

Mr. DeSantis... meet "the apparatus"...

[LMAO]

Bigun wrote:
"Do you think MI. and PA. are unattainable because the votes aren't there or because the election aparati have been so screwed in those states that NO Republican can win now?"

Hmmm....
Comrade Bigun, I'm very pleased to see you using (and understanding) the term I've been posting here for going on three years now:
The "underground election apparatus" of the dem-communist Party.

It's why Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and probably now Arizona and Georgia are "lost" to the Republicans, at least for presidential and perhaps most senate elections as well.

The Party itself was surprised at how well its nascent apparatus worked back in 2020 -- and since then great efforts are being undertaken to refine and improve its performance.

But keep in mind that as well as being "underground", The Party has had great success in building its "above-ground, in plain-sight" apparatus as well. This includes such things as
- ballot harvesting
- mail in voting
- provisional voting
- unrestricted use of absentee ballots
- ranked choice voting
... etc.

All are presented to the masses as "election reform" -- but ALL of them quietly serve the goals of the apparatus.

And of course, "the goal" of the apparatus itself is to "control" elections where needed.

This is why you don't see much griping from The Party about the Electoral College any more -- because the underground/above-ground apparatus has now swung the power of the Electoral College towards The Party's side.

They intend to keep it that way.

That's why I smile every time I read a post from the ne'ertrumpers here about how Ron DeSantis is going to win where Mr. Trump could not.

Mr. DeSantis... meet "the apparatus"...

Wisc has one GOP Senator and in the House, GOP control 6 seats to the Democrats two

[sneakypete]

Wisc has one GOP Senator and in the House, GOP control 6 seats to the Democrats two

@LMAO

I have to admit that I am surprised by this.

Have the Republicans been in control for very long,and how has it worked for Wisconsin?

[LMAO]

@LMAO

I have to admit that I am surprised by this.

Have the Republicans been in control for very long,and how has it worked for Wisconsin?

Well, in part of Wisc, we were represented by Dave Obey, a Democrat, for years. He wasn't your typical Democrat of today. When he left office, GOP has contolled my Congressional district for the last several years. Sean Duffy and now Tom Tiffany

The GOP also controls our Statehouse. Only the governor is Democrat

@sneakypete

[jmyrlefuller]

If the GOP wants to win general elections in 2024, they need to stop making enemies of the electorate.

The culture wars bring in donations from eccentric GOP billionaire donors, but, hating on the voters didn't work for Romney (2012) nor Hillary (2016).

People prefer to elect politicians who don't hold threir voters in contempt.

Elections are popularity contests.

Yeah, and that's how we ended up tens of trillions of dollars in debt, on a slow course to self-extinction because the women have embraced abortion, lesbianism and treating marrying men and staring families like it's anathema instead of responsibility.

I hate it.

The country that I loved growing up as a kid, it's gone... and the left controls its future.

The only way to escape is to die. I will likely have to survive several decades more of this decline and be powerless to even have a son or daughter who might reverse it.

[libertybele]

Yeah, and that's how we ended up tens of trillions of dollars in debt, on a slow course to self-extinction because the women have embraced abortion, lesbianism and treating marrying men and staring families like it's anathema instead of responsibility.

I hate it.

The country that I loved growing up as a kid, it's gone... and the left controls its future.

The only way to escape is to die. I will likely have to survive several decades more of this decline and be powerless to even have a son or daughter who might reverse it.

I have to agree with you.  I see it as moral decline in our society.  Yes the leftists control the future and again, the only way that's going to change is by electing conservatives at the state and local levels.

D.C. is broken and I believe beyond repair.

Several decades of more decline and we won't have a country left.  I fear for my kids and grandkids.  God help us.

[Right_in_Virginia]

DONALD J. TRUMP: "They're always investigating the people who want to look at why there was cheating…“They don't investigate the cheaters. Why aren't they investigating the people that cheated in the election?" (Video)

https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1652113621986553857

[Hoodat]

Why aren't they investigating the people that cheated in the election?"

They?  Why didn't Trump investigate when he was President?

[Kamaji]

They?  Why didn't Trump investigate when he was President?

Why isn't Mr. Trump making election integrity an issue right now?  Why is it that he only cares about election problems to the extent it allows him to play the victim?

[massadvj]

Thanks Victor! I value your insights here BECAUSE you spend half your life in Pennsylvania. I wonder though, if that isn't somewhat clouded by the half you spend there being on a college campus.

Whether you are right or not, the window to fix the problem is now closed and won't be opened again by any legal means. @massadvj

PA has a Dem governor and two Dem senators as well as a Dem legislature.  Here where I live in Berks County it is definitely Trump country. Many people display giant Trump signs and flags on their barns and houses.  If anything, living here I'd think Democrats have no chance at all.

[LMAO]

PA has a Dem governor and two Dem senators as well as a Dem legislature.  Here where I live in Berks County it is definitely Trump country. Many people display giant Trump signs and flags on their barns and houses.  If anything, living here I'd think Democrats have no chance at all.

Sounds like your state is more blue than mine(Wi)

I always thought of Pennsylvania as a rural state with folks that enjoy the outdoors.

[Bigun]

PA has a Dem governor and two Dem senators as well as a Dem legislature.  Here where I live in Berks County it is definitely Trump country. Many people display giant Trump signs and flags on their barns and houses.  If anything, living here I'd think Democrats have no chance at all.

Ok! Glad to know that. It seems to me that a few boxes in Philidelphia and Pittsburg are ruling the entire state.  Just like Cook County does in Illinois.

[massadvj]

Ok! Glad to know that. It seems to me that a few boxes in Philidelphia and Pittsburg are ruling the entire state.  Just like Cook County does in Illinois.

Yep.