Trump's Achilles' heel? [COVID-19 Lockdown--15 Days to Flatten the Curve]

[roamer_1]

Oh come on.....   Noone knew what to do.  There were thousands of people dying horrible deaths and everyone was scared to death.  In hindsight of course there were some horrendous mistakes.  I took both shots trying to protect my 90+ year old mom from dying alone in the hospital.  In hindsight I wouldn't have taken either.

I knew it was bullcrap from the get-go. And so did Tumpy. When he was healed of it by hydroxychloroquine... He KNEW it was bullcrap to outlaw those antivirals that worked on him. But he folded like a 2 dollar lawn chair. They hacked him in the press and he shut right up and started pimping for the lockdown and the jab.

And the antivirals, that predictably could have saved millions for pennies, remained outlawed. While that jab will wind up killing and maiming many, on top of being ineffective and dooming many to death.

[LMAO]

I sure hope so.

I think the Trump in 2024 is going to fizzle out

You don’t see the Democrats clamoring for another Hillary round

[DB]

Oh come on.....   Noone knew what to do.  There were thousands of people dying horrible deaths and everyone was scared to death.  In hindsight of course there were some horrendous mistakes.  I took both shots trying to protect my 90+ year old mom from dying alone in the hospital.  In hindsight I wouldn't have taken either.

Not knowing what to do and doing things that had no actual science to support them just to do something are two very different things.

The only potentially justifiable rule to shut an area down - to slow the spread - was if the medical community in that area was completely overwhelmed. And that should have been determined on a local basis. Everyone was going to get it sooner or later. The idea that you could hide from it indefinitely was total crap and should have never been peddled.

[Hoodat]

You don’t see the Democrats clamoring for another Hillary round

By this time next year, you will see the press giving Trump non-stop free publicity on his election campaign just as they did back in 2015-2016.  The Dems want Trump to be the nominee.

[EdinVA]

From my view point, Trump is not the issue.  No matter who the top dog is in the GOP is going to get the same treatment.
The lies, hysteria, allegations, investigations from the media, dems and the fed gov..... the whole magilla so if Trump falls by the wayside (for whatever reason), the lions will just move their operation to the next target so just don't pick a lamb...

[Hoodat]

From my view point, Trump is not the issue.  No matter who the top dog is in the GOP is going to get the same treatment.

That's why we need someone in office who doesn't give a damn what the enemy thinks.  Someone who will place tight restrictions on what each department can spend.  Someone who isn't afraid to have leftover money sitting in the Treasury at the end of the year.  Someone who knows the meaning of "You're fired!" and isn't afraid to say it.

Trump could have been that guy.  But he chose otherwise.

[libertybele]

I knew it was bullcrap from the get-go. And so did Tumpy. When he was healed of it by hydroxychloroquine... He KNEW it was bullcrap to outlaw those antivirals that worked on him. But he folded like a 2 dollar lawn chair. They hacked him in the press and he shut right up and started pimping for the lockdown and the jab.

And the antivirals, that predictably could have saved millions for pennies, remained outlawed. While that jab will wind up killing and maiming many, on top of being ineffective and dooming many to death.

Yes eventually Trump figured out that what he was being fed was a bunch of bull.  Fauci, the CDC, FDA and the WHO, IMHO are the ones who shut Trump down.  He tried on several occasions to combat what they were selling.  Facui and others along with the MSM forced his hand.

Trump left the lockdowns up to the states and he rapidly implemented all the guidelines (masks,equipment, etc.) that he was told was needed.

Sorry, but I blame Fauci and Biden and CHINA.  We cannot forget their involvement.

[Smokin Joe]

Bingo.

Also consider the 'vaccine' [sic].  Trump wanted to be the guy who saved the world against Covid.  And he widely took credit for the development of the jab.  But now that the jab has proven to be a massively expensive failure (and a boon to all those politicians and bureaucrats holding Pfizer stock), you never hear him bring that up.  You can't have it both ways.

Trump taps Pence to head up coronavirus outbreak response
Updated on: February 27, 2020 / 10:45 AM / CBS News

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-trump-pence-outbreak-epidemic-press-conference/
Pence, As Coronavirus Task Force Head, Aims To Show He Can Manage A Crisis

April 28, 20205:01 AM ET

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/28/846919781/pence-as-coronavirus-task-force-head-aims-to-show-he-can-manage-a-crisis

[Smokin Joe]

Yes eventually Trump figured out that what he was being fed was a bunch of bull.  Fauci, the CDC, FDA and the WHO, IMHO are the ones who shut Trump down.  He tried on several occasions to combat what they were selling.  Facui and others along with the MSM forced his hand.

Trump left the lockdowns up to the states and he rapidly implemented all the guidelines (masks,equipment, etc.) that he was told was needed.

Sorry, but I blame Fauci and Biden and CHINA.  We cannot forget their involvement.

Agreed. Fauci knew the real origins of the lab created bug, he'd financed it. That he and certain Democrats maintained crisis (by vilifying treatments), promoted panic, and pushed mRNA shots, puts the onus back on the CDC NIAID, FDA, and the WHO along with the Chinese.
Coomo said he needed ventilators, Trump got them  made (even though Cuomo didn't really need them) along with field hospitals and hospital ships on both coasts. While Trump was moving mountains, the directions for what was needed and where were provided by the "experts".  and then....
Trump taps Pence to head up coronavirus outbreak response

By Kathryn Watson

Updated on: February 27, 2020 / 10:45 AM / CBS News
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-trump-pence-outbreak-epidemic-press-conference/

Let's give credit where it is really due.

[Bigun]

I knew it was bullcrap from the get-go. And so did Tumpy. When he was healed of it by hydroxychloroquine... He KNEW it was bullcrap to outlaw those antivirals that worked on him. But he folded like a 2 dollar lawn chair. They hacked him in the press and he shut right up and started pimping for the lockdown and the jab.

And the antivirals, that predictably could have saved millions for pennies, remained outlawed. While that jab will wind up killing and maiming many, on top of being ineffective and dooming many to death.

When you're right you're right and on this you most certainly are @roamer_1

And BTW: Some here were blowing the whistle on the COVID hoax hard and loud from day one!

[Right_in_Virginia]

Yes eventually Trump figured out that what he was being fed was a bunch of bull.  Fauci, the CDC, FDA and the WHO, IMHO are the ones who shut Trump down.  He tried on several occasions to combat what they were selling.  Facui and others along with the MSM forced his hand.

Agree.

Trump followed the Constitution giving the decision making to the states ---- all of it, including masks and distancing guidelines.  Many states pushed all or part of the decision making to local municipalities.

Trump and his administration worked with state governments on the acquisition of medical PPEs and medical treatment equipment ----  and formed government and private sector business partnerships to speed production and distribution.

Trump never made any CDC/FDA/WHO recommendation mandatory --- not lockdowns, not private use PPEs, not social guidelines, not vaccines.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I knew it was bullcrap from the get-go. And so did Tumpy. When he was healed of it by hydroxychloroquine... He KNEW it was bullcrap to outlaw those antivirals ....

The battle for oversight of FDA approval powers has been a long, ongoing one; and the FDA continues to win --

Cruz Calls for Major Overhaul of FDA
Regulatory News, Dec 11, 2015

Republican presidential candidate Sen. Ted Cruz (TX) and Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) on Friday introduced a bill that would completely overhaul the way the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) operates.

More specifically, the “Reciprocity Ensures Streamlined Use of Lifesaving Treatments Act (S. 2388), or the RESULT Act,” would:

*  allow for reciprocal approval of drugs, devices and biologics from foreign sponsors in EU member countries, Israel, Australia, Canada and Japan

*  require FDA to make a decision on “life-saving” drug and device applications within 30 days

*  allow Congress to override FDA denials of certain applications for life-saving drugs with a majority vote via a joint resolution

“Our legislation will unleash life-saving drugs and devices in the United States, help mitigate critical drug shortages in the US, and put downward pressure on the prices of medical devices and drugs as well,” Cruz said in a statement.

More:  https://www.raps.org/regulatory-focus%E2%84%A2/news-articles/2015/12/cruz-calls-for-major-overhaul-of-fda

[Timber Rattler]

Trump never made any CDC/FDA/WHO recommendation mandatory --- not lockdowns, not private use PPEs, not social guidelines, not vaccines.

So the buck doesn't stop with the President?

[art.prout]

So the buck doesn't stop with the President?

To: the Administrators of this forum

If you allow a complete piece of garbage troll like this "timber rattler" to post her/(maybe his)/(most likely 'it') neocon warmongering garbage here, then kindly delete my account.  Thanks for the opportunity to participate, but I can no longer be here in good conscience if a filthy piece of trash is given a forum for expression here.

[Bigun]

So the buck doesn't stop with the President?

The PRESIDENT has absolutely no control over ANY of those organizations! But you knew that already didn't you troll?

[Timber Rattler]

To: the Administrators of this forum

If you allow a complete piece of garbage troll like this "timber rattler" to post her/(maybe his)/(most likely 'it') neocon warmongering garbage here, then kindly delete my account.  Thanks for the opportunity to participate, but I can no longer be here in good conscience if a filthy piece of trash is given a forum for expression here.

Well that didn't take long for such a warm welcome back!   

[Timber Rattler]

The PRESIDENT has absolutely no control over ANY of those organizations! But you knew that already didn't you troll?

But he does...by authorizing the CDC to proceed with those "flatten-the-curve" guidelines on March 29, and then extending them in April, Trump enabled every liberal governor and every would-be state and local dictator to lockdown the country and impose all those awful restrictions we've had to live with and suffer from ever since that day. 

[Bigun]

But he does...by authorizing the CDC to proceed with those "flatten-the-curve" guidelines on March 29, and then extending them in April, Trump enabled every liberal governor and every would-be state and local dictator to lockdown the country and impose all those awful restrictions we've had to live with and suffer from ever since that day.

BOVINE FECAL MATTER! 100%

[EdinVA]

But he does...by authorizing the CDC to proceed with those "flatten-the-curve" guidelines on March 29, and then extending them in April, Trump enabled every liberal governor and every would-be state and local dictator to lockdown the country and impose all those awful restrictions we've had to live with and suffer from ever since that day.

So, based on your statement, all governors await the presidents directive to do anything, liberal or otherwise?  That means that Biden told DeSantis to send those illegals to Martha's Vineyard?
I think you are twisting reality to feed your hatred of Trump..

[Timber Rattler]

So, based on your statement, all governors await the presidents directive to do anything, liberal or otherwise?  That means that Biden told DeSantis to send those illegals to Martha's Vineyard?
I think you are twisting reality to feed your hatred of Trump..

They needed that political cover from CDC, authorized by Trump, to proceed with the lockdowns.  Remember how they ALWAYS cited those CDC "guidelines" to justify every totalitarian action they took beginning on March 29, 2020.  If Trump had not given them that cover through his "15 Days to Flatten the Curve" directive, then things would like have turned out very differently.  But he did.  The buck stops with the President, and he can't pass it back down to the governors.  It doesn't work that way.

[cato potatoe]

Didn’t he also go after GOP governors for opening their states “too soon?”

Yes and he trashed Sweden for remaining open.  Many of us were saying the government response was hysterical, but he sided with Fauci until the bitter end.

[DB]

To: the Administrators of this forum

If you allow a complete piece of garbage troll like this "timber rattler" to post her/(maybe his)/(most likely 'it') neocon warmongering garbage here, then kindly delete my account.  Thanks for the opportunity to participate, but I can no longer be here in good conscience if a filthy piece of trash is given a forum for expression here.

Seriously???

So I guess I'm "a complete piece of garbage troll" too...

Just wow...

[Idiot]

To: the Administrators of this forum

If you allow a complete piece of garbage troll like this "timber rattler" to post her/(maybe his)/(most likely 'it') neocon warmongering garbage here, then kindly delete my account.  Thanks for the opportunity to participate, but I can no longer be here in good conscience if a filthy piece of trash is given a forum for expression here.

It's as easy as putting them on "ignore". @art.prout

[aligncare]

They needed that political cover from CDC, authorized by Trump, to proceed with the lockdowns.  Remember how they ALWAYS cited those CDC "guidelines" to justify every totalitarian action they took beginning on March 29, 2020.  If Trump had not given them that cover through his "15 Days to Flatten the Curve" directive, then things would like have turned out very differently.  But he did.  The buck stops with the President, and he can't pass it back down to the governors.  It doesn't work that way.

States have their own health departments.  It’s they that have the responsibility and obligation to assess their own citizens public health risks. 

Ours is a federal government system, not one of a national government that states must answer to.

[DB]

States have their own health departments.  It’s they that have the responsibility and obligation to assess their own citizens public health risks. 

Ours is a federal government system, not one of a national government that states must answer to.

Here's Trump's press conference where it all started:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWvbLKgpQlM