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Barr: ‘Unprecedented’ Trump Had Classified Docs in a Country Club — He ‘Jerked Around’ DOJ for a Year

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Former Trump Attorney General Bill Barr said Friday on FNC’s “America Reports” that it is “unprecedented” that former President Donald Trump had classified material at his Florida estate and he “jerked around” the Department of Justice for a year while they tried to recover the documents.

Sandra Smith asked, “Do you think this type of this raid was avoidable? Do you think a second subpoena, for example, could have been issued?”

Barr said, “I personally think for them to have taken things to the current point, they probably have pretty good evidence, but that’s speculation. And until we see that, it’s hard to say.”

He added, “Now, let me just say, I think the driver on this from the beginning was, you know, loads of classified information sitting in Mar-a-Lago. People say this was unprecedented, but it’s also unprecedented for a president to take all this classified information and put him in a country club. And how long is the government going to try to get that back? You know, they jawboned for a year. They were deceived on the voluntary actions taken. They then went and got a subpoena. They were deceived on that. They feel and the record, the facts are starting to show that they were being jerked around. And so how long, you know, how long do they wait?”

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Peter Strzok: ‘Worst Person in the World’ Bill Barr Is Right – Trump Jerked Around DOJ

Disgraced FBI agent Peter Strzok said Friday on MSNBC’s “Deadline” that former Attorney General Bill Barr is right for criticizing former President Donald Trump on his handling of government materials.

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Anyone who knows much about Trump and his behavior shouldn't be surprised at all.  He may have even used the top secret documents to wipe his hands after eating a bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken.


 

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Anyone who knows much about Trump and his behavior shouldn't be surprised at all.  He may have even used the top secret documents to wipe his hands after eating a bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken.


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Unfortunately Trump picked another really bad apple.

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Unfortunately Trump picked another really bad apple.

I still have not seen Gentleman Sessions throw his former boss under the bus... even after being pooped on a dozen times.
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Unfortunately Trump picked another really bad apple.

Some days you're outraged (or defeated) by the depth, scope and power of the entrenched Washington administrative state and on others you appear to deny its existence.

What's up with this back and forth @libertybele ?

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Anyone who knows much about Trump and his behavior shouldn't be surprised at all.  He may have even used the top secret documents to wipe his hands after eating a bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken.



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Some days you're outraged (or defeated) by the depth, scope and power of the entrenched Washington administrative state and on others you appear to deny its existence.

What's up with this back and forth @libertybele ?


???  Are you denying how many people Trump selected that turned around and stabbed him in the back??  Of course I am outraged by what they've done and the obvious coup.

Pence, Sessions, Barr, Rosenstein are just a few but I believe they are the people that hurt him the most; all those bad apples however are his picks. 

 

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Speaking of jerks, Barr said what?
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???  Are you denying how many people Trump selected that turned around and stabbed him in the back??

Pence, Sessions, Barr, Rosenstein are just a few but I believe they are the people that hurt him the most; all those bad apples however are his picks.

That these appointees stabbed the President in the back is evidence of how powerful the administrative state is @libertybele   Each of the men you listed above came through recommendations from his own political party.  To who else was Trump to turn for recommendations on experienced government officials?

These men flipped on Trump the moment they assessed Trump was going to lose and the state was going to win --- a straightforward case of self-preservation over principle.  This tells us who these men are, not Trump.

Trump is working very hard to amass a cadre of America First advisors and government officials around the country for his second term.  We should be helping and supporting him in these efforts.  It's all for our benefit.

FWIW,  I'm looking forward to the time when blaming Donald Trump for having to wade through an incestuous and corrupt federal government is no longer accepted dogma.

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That these appointees stabbed the President in the back is evidence of how powerful the administrative state is @libertybele   Each of the men you listed above came through recommendations from his own political party.  To who else was Trump to turn for recommendations on experienced government officials?

These men flipped on Trump the moment they assessed Trump was going to lose and the state was going to win --- a straightforward case of self-preservation over principle.  This tells us who these men are, not Trump.

Trump is working very hard to amass a cadre of America First advisors and government officials around the country for his second term.  We should be helping and supporting him in these efforts.  It's all for our benefit.

FWIW,  I'm looking forward to the time when blaming Donald Trump for having to wade through an incestuous and corrupt federal government is no longer accepted dogma.

Exactly.

In his lifetime before becoming president, Trump had been to Washington DC maybe a dozen times. And that’s only because in recent years he bought a hotel there. Otherwise, he’s a New Yorker. He and his transition team had no political network in DC on which he could rely. If some appointees turned out to be swamp creatures, that was on RNC Reince Priebus, et al.

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Poor little Tumpy... He can't help it...  *****rollingeyes*****

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Sidelines an awfully comfortable place from which to hold forth isn’t it, roam. I suppose in the same duplicitous environment that Trump—pardon, Trumpy—faced, you could’ve done better?

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Can't help what?
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Can't help what?

Maybe @roamer_1 forgot what the times were like. Trump not only didn’t get a honeymoon period and traditional well wishes for the incoming president. They were actively framing and backstabbing him and trying to arrest him on any whim democrats croaked forth.

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Sidelines an awfully comfortable place from which to hold forth isn’t it, roam. I suppose in the same duplicitous environment that Trump—pardon, Trumpy—faced, you could’ve done better?

I know it's usually good form to quote me or ping me to messages about me...

And I am not on the sidelines. I am just not supporting what some suppose I should, you included I would guess. Hence your apparent attempt at stuffing me in that pigeon hole... Which is really rather funny.

I think Tumpy is every bit as duplicitous as those around him. I think there is no way to be a captain of industry without the very same duplicitous nature that is present in political realms.

I think he is also dirty - You don't rise to the top of business in 'hospitality' and gambling dens, not to mention operating in NYC in any volume without being dirty.

That certainly is no compliment, I know. But it is reality. The very same thing that makes him a knuckle-buster requires street smarts, and street smarts come only with experience with the soft underbelly of the street.

In fact, that's likely why they are coming for him... Because he has dirt. And I have said right here on this thread that they would find nothing at Mar a Largo, because he would have to be a total idiot to leave his dirt on folks laying around where they could get at it. He may be a whole lot of things, but he ain't an idiot by a long way.

What gets me though is the attempt by all y'all to paint him as a patron saint, always 200  steps ahead of the evil doers, playing 10 dimensional chess to their checkers... And then try to defend his ineptitude with some sort of ignorance of the system that he's been courting for more than half his life... And how the evil-doers somehow pulled the wool over his eyes.

Pardon my derision, but the dichotomy is hilarious.

And as to my doing it better... Aw hell no. I played similar games in my yoot and learned eventually to avoid them. I don't want anything like the games he plays and wouldn't touch em with a 10 foot pole.

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Maybe @roamer_1 forgot what the times were like. Trump not only didn’t get a honeymoon period and traditional well wishes for the incoming president. They were actively framing and backstabbing him and trying to arrest him on any whim democrats croaked forth.

Ahh! So you DO know how to ping and to quote... Good to know.  :laugh:

As to your statement: So what? They've done the same all the way along. He's a big boy, right? Shoot, most the time he brings it on himself - cat-fighting with the very people that are out to get him. That they retaliate in similar fashion surprises you?

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I think Tumpy is every bit as duplicitous as those around him. I think there is no way to be a captain of industry without the very same duplicitous nature that is present in political realms.

I think he is also dirty - You don't rise to the top of business in 'hospitality' and gambling dens, not to mention operating in NYC in any volume without being dirty.

Posting the preamble to the "Losers' Creed"   pointing-up   is virtue-signaling at its most deficient.


I played similar games in my yoot and learned eventually to avoid them.

Translation:  ran away.

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Why is it that Democrats never have any problem finding attorneys general who will do the party's political bidding and use the federal apparatus for bludgeoning political opponents and covering up their own people's transgressions? I speak, of course, of Eric Holder and Merrick Garland.  Then the Republicans get in and suddenly they become "principled." In fact, our people often hold Republicans to a higher standard than Democrats.

I think Trump did a fine job in some respects, but he did a terrible job of cleaning house at the justice department and FBI. Barr was not a bad attorney general, but he certainly was not as loyal to his president as Merrick Garland or Eric Holder, both of which are basically mob boss consiglieres. 

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Barr was the Colonel Klink of the DOJ.

Placed there by Trump.

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Why is it that Democrats never have any problem finding attorneys general who will do the party's political bidding and use the federal apparatus for bludgeoning political opponents and covering up their own people's transgressions? I speak, of course, of Eric Holder and Merrick Garland.  Then the Republicans get in and suddenly they become "principled." In fact, our people often hold Republicans to a higher standard than Democrats.

I think Trump did a fine job in some respects, but he did a terrible job of cleaning house at the justice department and FBI. Barr was not a bad attorney general, but he certainly was not as loyal to his president as Merrick Garland or Eric Holder, both of which are basically mob boss consiglieres.

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I think Trump did a fine job in some respects, but he did a terrible job of cleaning house at the justice department and FBI.

Wasn't insuring this one of the goals of the non-stop, concurrent "investigations" into the President, his family, his private businesses and members of his administration @massadvj ?  If memory serves, "obstruction of justice" is not without consequences.

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Posting the preamble to the "Losers' Creed"   pointing-up   is virtue-signaling at its most deficient.

HAHAHAHA! Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. I have lost nothing.

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Translation:  ran away.


Nah. I was pretty good at it. Even in business. Sometimes I won, sometimes I lost. That's the breaks. Like I said... I learned to avoid it. All that glitters is not gold.

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Wasn't insuring this one of the goals of the non-stop, concurrent "investigations" into the President, his family, his private businesses and members of his administration @massadvj ?  If memory serves, "obstruction of justice" is not without consequences.

Yes, it was the strategy. And it succeeded, largely because Trump appointed the wrong people at both the justice dept and fbi.

Does Biden worry about "obstruction of justice' when it comes to Hunter Biden?  Did Obama worry about "obstruction of justice" when he was gun running to both Mexico and ISIS?  In the case of Democrat presidents there can be no obstruction of justice because they ARE justice.


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Yes, it was the strategy. And it succeeded.

And yet, you hold the target of the strategy guilty for surviving it -----  not the perps for executing it.   :shrug:

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Does Biden worry about "obstruction of justice' when it comes to Hunter Biden?  Did Obama worry about "obstruction of justice" when he was gun running to both Mexico and ISIS?  In the case of Democrat presidents there can be no obstruction of justice because they ARE justice.

So,  you're pissed off with Trump because he isn't a corrupt criminal trampling over what's left of the rule of law --- like Obama and Biden?

What is your point @massadvj

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And yet, you hold the target of the strategy guilty for surviving it -----  not the perps for executing it.   :shrug:

He appointed the wrong people. Presidents are supposed to do more than survive. You think Biden worries about "surviving" Hunter and all his graft?  No way.  Hunter does not exist as far as his justice department is concerned. Their only job is containing it.

Obama turned the entire justice apparatus into a poltical enforcement mechanism for his party, and Trump's appointeed did nothing to turn that around. OK, Barr did a little, but precious little, given that the FBI was still campaigning for Biden even as Trump was POTUS.  You ever think about that?  The very department Trump was in charge of was actively pushing Facebook and Twitter not to run with the Hunter Biden story, and Barr and Wray (both Trump appointees) either did nothing about it, or did not know.  That is a failure on Trump's part, and I think he realizes it now. At least I hope so, because if he is elected again his first job should be to clean up that sewer that Obama created once and for all.

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So,  you're pissed off with Trump because he isn't a corrupt criminal trampling over what's left of the rule of law --- like Obama and Biden?

What is your point @massadvj

My point is that Trump appointed the wrong people in both his attorneys general and his FBI director.

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From a totally objective POV, suffering and recovery from 58 of your friends committing suicide has some level of gutsy.   :cool:
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He appointed the wrong people.

He appointed the only people McConnell would confirm.  I live in this town, not in an ivy-covered enclave.  I work among these cretins, not with the isolated.  Doubling down on ignorance as though it's gospel from on-high is not helpful.


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My point is that Trump appointed the wrong people in both his attorneys general and his FBI director.

Do better.

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Btw, Barr used the word “unprecedented?” Pull the other one. Obama kept tons of documents, many classified, as have other presidents for their Presidential libraries. After leaving the White House they all negotiate about stuff they’d like to keep and documents the National Archives wants back.

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That these appointees stabbed the President in the back is evidence of how powerful the administrative state is @libertybele   Each of the men you listed above came through recommendations from his own political party.  To who else was Trump to turn for recommendations on experienced government officials?

These men flipped on Trump the moment they assessed Trump was going to lose and the state was going to win --- a straightforward case of self-preservation over principle.  This tells us who these men are, not Trump.

Trump is working very hard to amass a cadre of America First advisors and government officials around the country for his second term.  We should be helping and supporting him in these efforts.  It's all for our benefit.

FWIW,  I'm looking forward to the time when blaming Donald Trump for having to wade through an incestuous and corrupt federal government is no longer accepted dogma.

Relax @Right_in_Virginia  Trump isn't perfect and ok, he's trying to amass better advisors. I'm not finding fault nor am I denying that many past advisors stabbed him in the back. The swamp runs very deep, I get that and have for quite awhile. However, I was flabbergasted when he picked Sessions and even more so when he appointed Rosenstein. Advice from the GOPe, perhaps, but IMO it was Jared who had a hand in his selections. In fact I have little doubt that the weasel was working both sides.

Regardless, why didn't Trump do a little bit of research himself on those that were picked?? That's something I've always questioned, it's easy enough to do.

I recognize what Trump was up against from within his own party.  I have not always been a supporter of some of the things that he did, but Trump was one of the greatest presidents in my lifetime and I would vote for him again.

During last night's rally I was very pleased to see him step out from the past a bit and mention what he would do in the future. IMO it was a definite signal he intends to run again.

IF the DEMS don't find a way to prevent him from running again he will be the GOP nominee and it is doubtful he'll be challenged. I would hope that Cruz, DeSantis, Pompeo, Green, Hawley, Paul and others will rally right along with him.

McCarthy and McConnell will continue to be poison to Trump and his efforts; there's no way around that unless somehow they lose their seats and I don't see that happening.

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He appointed the only people McConnell would confirm.  I live in this town, not in an ivy-covered enclave.  I work among these cretins, not with the isolated.  Doubling down on ignorance as though it's gospel from on-high is not helpful.

That is BS. He appointed Sessions because he owed him politically, and he thought Sessions would be loyal.  Sessions turned out to be gutless when it came to protecting Trump from the Russia hoax.  So then he appointed Barr, a fairly conservative guy, but definitely a career insider.  He should have brought in someone from outside Washington.  I am sure there were plenty of people who McConnell would have confirmed, and if not, he always had the option of a recess appointment.

Trump very clearly did not know what he was up against in terms of the how the federal aparatus he was in charge of would undermine him, and he never really got it under control.  That is not to say he wasn't a good POTUS.  Overall, I'd give him high marks.  But when your own FBI is able to intentionally put the lid on a story that would likely have buried your opponent, that is a glaring problem.  Barr and Wray have only two excuses, either they didn't know or they did know and did nothing.  Both represent a specific kind of failure that goes all the way to the top.


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That is BS. He appointed Sessions because he owed him politically, and he thought Sessions would be loyal.  Sessions turned out to be gutless when it came to protecting Trump from the Russia hoax.  So then he appointed Barr, a fairly conservative guy, but definitely a career insider.  He should have brought in someone from outside Washington.  I am sure there were plenty of people who McConnell would have confirmed, and if not, he always had the option of a recess appointment.

Trump very clearly did not know what he was up against in terms of the how the federal aparatus he was in charge of would undermine him, and he never really got it under control.  That is not to say he wasn't a good POTUS.  Overall, I'd give him high marks.  But when your own FBI is able to intentionally put the lid on a story that would likely have buried your opponent, that is a glaring problem.  Barr and Wray have only two excuses, either they didn't know or they did know and did nothing.  Both represent a specific kind of failure that goes all the way to the top.


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That is BS. He appointed Sessions because he owed him politically, and he thought Sessions would be loyal.  Sessions turned out to be gutless when it came to protecting Trump from the Russia hoax.  So then he appointed Barr, a fairly conservative guy, but definitely a career insider.  He should have brought in someone from outside Washington.  I am sure there were plenty of people who McConnell would have confirmed, and if not, he always had the option of a recess appointment.

Trump very clearly did not know what he was up against in terms of the how the federal aparatus he was in charge of would undermine him, and he never really got it under control.  That is not to say he wasn't a good POTUS.  Overall, I'd give him high marks.  But when your own FBI is able to intentionally put the lid on a story that would likely have buried your opponent, that is a glaring problem.  Barr and Wray have only two excuses, either they didn't know or they did know and did nothing.  Both represent a specific kind of failure that goes all the way to the top.

Once again, you nailed it @massadvj and now he does! Which is why they fear him so.
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That is BS. He appointed Sessions because he owed him politically, and he thought Sessions would be loyal.  Sessions turned out to be gutless when it came to protecting Trump from the Russia hoax.  So then he appointed Barr, a fairly conservative guy, but definitely a career insider.  He should have brought in someone from outside Washington.  I am sure there were plenty of people who McConnell would have confirmed, and if not, he always had the option of a recess appointment.

Trump very clearly did not know what he was up against in terms of the how the federal aparatus he was in charge of would undermine him, and he never really got it under control.  That is not to say he wasn't a good POTUS.  Overall, I'd give him high marks.  But when your own FBI is able to intentionally put the lid on a story that would likely have buried your opponent, that is a glaring problem.  Barr and Wray have only two excuses, either they didn't know or they did know and did nothing.  Both represent a specific kind of failure that goes all the way to the top.

No on both counts.

McConnell is as swampy as Schumer, Biden, Pelosi, et al.  There was a very limited set of people that Trump could appoint for AG and FBI Director (which is why we saw the appointments that we did!).

And no again, there was NO opportunity for any recess appointments as they kept the Senate in session 24 x 7 throughout the entire Trump presidency.

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He appointed the only people McConnell would confirm.  I live in this town, not in an ivy-covered enclave.  I work among these cretins, not with the isolated.  Doubling down on ignorance as though it's gospel from on-high is not helpful.

You are exactly right.

Every President has a limited set of people that the Senate majority will allow to be confirmed.  Trump, being who he is and what he was attempting to accomplish, had an even more narrow set.

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@art.prout @massadvj

FWIW, I think there is a lot of truth in what you both say. I think Trump was blindsided by the death and breadth of the swamp but mostly by how willing fellow Republicans were to undermine him at every turn. He also got some very bad advice from people he thought he could trust. 
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@art.prout @massadvj

FWIW, I think there is a lot of truth in what you both say. I think Trump was blindsided by the death and breadth of the swamp but mostly by how willing fellow Republicans were to undermine him at every turn. He also got some very bad advice from people he thought he could trust. 


Yes, I agree.  I should have noted that I agreed mostly with the rest of Mr. Massadv's post...  just disputing those two items.

Thanks for your clarity.

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Yes, I agree.  I should have noted that I agreed mostly with the rest of Mr. Massadv's post...  just disputing those two items.

Thanks for your clarity.

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Relax @Right_in_Virginia  Trump isn't perfect and ok, he's trying to amass better advisors. I'm not finding fault nor am I denying that many past advisors stabbed him in the back. The swamp runs very deep, I get that and have for quite awhile. However, I was flabbergasted when he picked Sessions and even more so when he appointed Rosenstein. Advice from the GOPe, perhaps, but IMO it was Jared who had a hand in his selections. In fact I have little doubt that the weasel was working both sides.

Regardless, why didn't Trump do a little bit of research himself on those that were picked?? That's something I've always questioned, it's easy enough to do.

I'll happily relax @libertybele --- right after you admit you were joking when you posted this.

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I'll happily relax @libertybele --- right after you admit you were joking when you posted this.

Only after you got off your high horse of thinking that you are above everyone -- gee, just joking. 

I'm done discussing this with you as the snipes and snark aren't necessary.
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What I find strange, confusing, and confounding, is the fact almost ZERO of the DOJ/FBI has come forward calling out this undprecedented unneeded raid against a former POTUS' residence.

As far as I am concerned all 100,000 DOJ/FBI employees and appointees are complicit in this matter.
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What I find strange, confusing, and confounding, is the fact almost ZERO of the DOJ/FBI has come forward calling out this undprecedented unneeded raid against a former POTUS' residence.

As far as I am concerned all 100,000 DOJ/FBI employees and appointees are complicit in this matter.

I think the entire department was pretty much purged of conservatives under the Obama administration, and turned into a sort of "gestapo" for the Democrat party. Civil service laws make it very, very difficult to reverse.  It would have taken a Mike Pompeo type to clean it up. 


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I think the entire department was pretty much purged of conservatives under the Obama administration, and turned into a sort of "gestapo" for the Democrat party. Civil service laws make it very, very difficult to reverse.  It would have taken a Mike Pompeo type to clean it up.

Speaking of Pompeo, I think he would make an excellent president.

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That these appointees stabbed the President in the back is evidence of how powerful the administrative state is @libertybele   Each of the men you listed above came through recommendations from his own political party.

In other words, Trump never was a 'drain-the-swamp' guy.
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Only after you got off your high horse of thinking that you are above everyone -- gee, just joking. 

I'm done discussing this with you as the snipes and snark aren't necessary.

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