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Biden plan is:
—up to $20K of debt cancellation for Pell grant recipients
— up to $10K for most other non-Pell borrowers
—all relief limited to individuals earning <$125K; families <$250K
—payment pause extended thru Dec 31


https://mobile.twitter.com/samstein/status/1562444217103704066

It will never occur to these financial illiterates that the interest was accruing while they enjoyed their "payment pause."  It raised many loan balances up by more than $10,000.

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No, the creditor does not.  The creditor foregoes repayment of the debt.

The creditor's balance sheet shows $20K in accounts receivable.  If the debtor does not cover that $20K, then who does?  Someone has to come up with $20K to clear the balance sheet.
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The creditor's balance sheet shows $20K in accounts receivable.  If the debtor does not cover that $20K, then who does?  Someone has to come up with $20K to clear the balance sheet.

The creditor writes that $20k asset off the balance sheet, the same way it would have done if a natural disaster had destroyed a tangible asset that was formerly on the books.

The debt is cancelled - it no longer exists - but the creditor is also out an equally valued asset - that asset no longer exists, either.

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The creditor writes that $20k asset off the balance sheet, the same way it would have done if a natural disaster had destroyed a tangible asset that was formerly on the books.

Uh, no.  That's not how accounting works.


the creditor is also out an equally valued asset

Exactly.  The creditor assumes the debt.



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I thought the beauty of a Pell grant is that it's a grant, not a loan, and doesn't have to be repaid.  So, what's this $20,000 "gift" Biden's giving?


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Uh, no.  That's not how accounting works.


Exactly.  The creditor assumes the debt.





Uh, yes, that's exactly how accounting works.

Uh, no, the creditor is not "assuming" the debt - "assumption" of a debt has a very well-defined meaning that does not include the creditor acquiring the debt itself.

The creditor is forgiving the debt, and is thereby losing an asset - the account payable that it was formerly carrying on its books.  In order to make the creditor's own internal books balance, the loss of the asset is balanced by a reduction in the retained earnings item on the other side of the balance sheet.

The debt ceases to exist.

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That is a completely different issue.

Yes, I know ... but, my question, certainly a non-sequitur, is a serious one.   Does Biden have the authority to cancel loan repayments that are not Federal grants?

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Yes, I know ... but, my question, certainly a non-sequitur, is a serious one.   Does Biden have the authority to cancel loan repayments that are not Federal grants?

Fair enough.  My guess would be that Biden does not have the authority to cancel debts that are not held by the federal government as creditor or, presumably, by Sallie Mae (the GSE that does a lot of student loan lending).

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Fair enough.  My guess would be that Biden does not have the authority to cancel debts that are not held by the federal government as creditor or, presumably, by Sallie Mae (the GSE that does a lot of student loan lending).

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Why the hell do we need a Congress?   888mouth

Not sure where that question is going.

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Uh, yes, that's exactly how accounting works.

. . . The creditor is forgiving the debt, and is thereby losing an asset - the account payable that it was formerly carrying on its books.  In order to make the creditor's own internal books balance, the loss of the asset is balanced by a reduction in the retained earnings item on the other side of the balance sheet.

The debt ceases to exist.

Consider a bank that offers 2% interest on certificates of deposit.  The bank sells ten of these at $1,000 each.  It lists this $10,000 (plus interest) total under Accounts Payable.  The bank then goes out and issues a $10,000 loan to someone charging 6.8% interest.  The bank now shows $10,000 (plus a higher interest) total under Accounts Receivable.

We now have a bank with roughly $10K under accounts payable and $10K under accounts receivable.  If the bank 'forgives' the $10K under accounts receivable, where does it get the money to cover accounts payable?
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Consider a bank that offers 2% interest on certificates of deposit.  The bank sells ten of these at $1,000 each.  It lists this $10,000 (plus interest) total under Accounts Payable.  The bank then goes out and issues a $10,000 loan to someone charging 6.8% interest.  The bank now shows $10,000 (plus a higher interest) total under Accounts Receivable.

We now have a bank with roughly $10K under accounts payable and $10K under accounts receivable.  If the bank 'forgives' the $10K under accounts receivable, where does it get the money to cover accounts payable?

The bank in that circumstance would not be permitted under its regulatory authority to cancel that loan.  Very simple.

Now, make it a little bit more realistic:  the bank makes a $10,000 loan that the borrower subsequently defaults on, and the loan is discharged in bankruptcy.

The bank itself now enters receivership because it does not have sufficient assets to cover its liabilities.  If the CDs were covered by insurance, that would cover the repayment of the CDs; otherwise, the bank shareholders may be required to contribute additional capital to cover the shortfall.  Finally, if all else fails, the CD holders have a loss as well.

That is why, in part, banks are required to maintain certain minimum capital requirements.

Bad analogies made for bad comparisons.

And yes, that is how accounting works.

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Not sure where that question is going.

Just a mini-rant  :laugh:

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The bank in that circumstance would not be permitted under its regulatory authority to cancel that loan.  Very simple.

Now, make it a little bit more realistic:  the bank makes a $10,000 loan that the borrower subsequently defaults on, and the loan is discharged in bankruptcy.

The bank itself now enters receivership because it does not have sufficient assets to cover its liabilities.  If the CDs were covered by insurance, that would cover the repayment of the CDs; otherwise, the bank shareholders may be required to contribute additional capital to cover the shortfall.  Finally, if all else fails, the CD holders have a loss as well.

That is why, in part, banks are required to maintain certain minimum capital requirements.

Bad analogies made for bad comparisons.

And yes, that is how accounting works.

So the people who bought the CDs pay for the loan.
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So, the socialist, as part of obamacare, forced us to pay income tax on employer paid health care insurance, and we pay income taxes on social security which we paid in to...
So are the recipients of this latest socialist bribe going to pay income taxes on this gift?

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So the people who bought the CDs pay for the loan.

No.  The people who bought the CDs are taking a risk that they are depositing their money with an intermediary which has counterparty risk, and if that risk materializes, then they lose their investment.


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No.  The people who bought the CDs are taking a risk that they are depositing their money with an intermediary which has counterparty risk, and if that risk materializes, then they lose their investment.

So the end result was that the people who bought the CDs paid for the loan.
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Forgiving a legal debt that was intentionally assumed with the promise of repayment is a textbook case of "moral hazard".
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'Accounts Receivable' is an asset that can be sold to others.  It has a value.  Erasing that value constitutes a loss that is incurred by some entity.
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Is Joe Biden going to forgive loans for all the dropouts who didn't graduate?
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Biden is up.  He begins by complaining about the skyrocketing cost of college (brought on by pouring hundreds of billions of government money into the demand equation).

Biden now reading his own personal story from the teleprompter.
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Biden is off script..talking about his dad.... :whistle:
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Biden is off script..talking about his dad.... :whistle:

Yep.  This is going south quickly.
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