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Arming School Staff
« on: May 27, 2022, 09:40:24 pm »
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« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2022, 05:42:19 pm »
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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2022, 07:43:00 pm »
Arming school staff in a gun free zone?

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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2022, 08:56:25 pm »
Texas schools can already arm teachers. Politicians may push for more after Uvalde tragedy

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/2022/05/25/texas-schools-can-already-arm-teachers-politicians-may-push-for-more-after-uvalde-tragedy/

The state’s schools can opt into two programs that allow campus staff to arm themselves at school.

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School marshals

School districts, private schools and community colleges can appoint one or more marshals per campus. These marshals, who may be teachers or staff members, have access to a handgun at school.

The purpose is to “prevent the act of murder or serous bodily injury on school premises,” according to the Texas Commission on Law Enforcement, or TCOLE.

Marshals must be up to date on licensing and certification and take an 80-hour training course conducted by a law enforcement academy. Through this training, they learn about physical security, improving campus security, use of force, weapon proficiency and active shooter response.

The names of districts with school marshals in place and names of the employees who are marshals are confidential, said TCOLE spokeswoman Gretchen Grigsby. Currently, Texas has 256 school marshals, she added.   -----

Guardian plan

Under the more loosely regulated “guardian plan,” school boards can authorize employees to carry guns on campus. District officials are directly responsible for determining training plans and the vetting process for their guardians.

“In most cases, school districts limit employee authorization to commissioned peace officers,” a TASB document stated. But, the group notes, some districts grant guardian status to others, including classroom teachers.

The plan was created by Harrold ISD Superintendent David Thweatt in 2007.

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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2022, 10:30:14 pm »

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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2022, 10:32:34 pm »
Arming school staff is a great idea.  Hopefully the armed staff will protect the teachers and children in a timely and effective manner.

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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2022, 10:36:15 pm »
I've been in the army or in Federal Security for nearly my entire adult life. The answer to this problem is neither cheap nor easy, but there is an answer. Schools are a "soft" target and that must change...these random shootings, horrific as they are, are nothing compared to the threat of an organized attack on school.

We need to follow the Israeli model of hardening schools with physical barriers and having staff/teachers be armed and trained to defend their students. Gun control will do nothing...worse than nothing. Putting an armed security guard/resource officer on site will also be of minimal value...they themselves would generally be easy to take out and their reliability/skill would be very poor...and one person cannot defend a site as large as the average elementary school.

What 's needed are multiple layers of protection...a layered defense with a number of barriers that can impede a shooter attempting to breach an education facility.

A school must be protected with three primary layers of security...the first is physical structure that is difficult to penetrate (locked steel doors that allow regress but not access...and yes...barred windows). Second, primary entrances must be controlled and monitored with persons in a protected area "allowing" controlled access only to known/cleared persons and students. Finally, most if not all teachers must be armed, trained, and they must practice responding to breach situations.

All of these elements are achievable...but we must as a nation have the will to implement such changes. If we don't do so...or if we sit around trying to implement idiotic gun control measures that are insufficient AND generally unenforceable...these attacks will continue to happen. 
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« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2022, 04:22:01 pm »

Not sure why you used a picture from snopes?

They along with everyone else, including Israel lawmen have pointed out that that wasn't a school and that isn't a teacher.
 
She's an armed guard, possibly military and they are more than likely on a field trip.
Israel's teacher's are no more armed than our's are.
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« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2022, 04:27:45 pm »
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Despite repeated claims by some gun advocates, teachers in Israel are not allowed to bring guns into their classrooms, a government spokesman said Monday.

“In general, personal weapons are not permitted on school premises in Israel,” Almog Elijis, a spokesman for the Israeli Consulate in New York, told The Post.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/02/26/no-israeli-teachers-dont-bring-guns-to-school/amp/?espv=1
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« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2022, 05:07:42 pm »
Why not have an independent school district police force to provide protection to students during school hours?
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« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2022, 05:30:40 pm »
We didn't need to militarize schools 50 years ago. What's happened between now and then?

I don't want a corrupt teacher pointing a gun at my kid for pointing out she's wrong... and I've seen many a teacher fly off the handle in class in my high school days.

Let's get to the root of social toxicity first before we start turning our schools into maximum security prisons.
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« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2022, 06:30:00 pm »
We didn't need to militarize 🏫 50 years ago. What's happened between now and then?

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« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2022, 06:34:17 pm »
Teachers don't need guns
Potential school shooters need to believe that teachers have guns.
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« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2022, 07:00:31 pm »
Why not have an independent school district police force to provide protection to students during school hours?
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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2022, 12:15:56 am »
Because pigs are corrupt and untrustworthy.

It was sarcasm.  The Uvalde school district already has a police force to provide protection to students during school hours.
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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2022, 02:12:49 am »
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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2022, 05:11:38 am »
It was sarcasm.  The Uvalde school district already has a police force to provide protection to students during school hours.
My apologies.  I didn't catch that.

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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2022, 07:40:22 am »
I used to bring my gun to school and fire it in a supervised group.
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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2022, 08:21:08 am »
We didn't need to militarize schools 50 years ago. What's happened between now and then?

I don't want a corrupt teacher pointing a gun at my kid for pointing out she's wrong... and I've seen many a teacher fly off the handle in class in my high school days.

Let's get to the root of social toxicity first before we start turning our schools into maximum security prisons.
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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2022, 03:23:36 pm »
We didn't need to militarize schools 50 years ago. What's happened between now and then?

I don't want a corrupt teacher pointing a gun at my kid for pointing out she's wrong... and I've seen many a teacher fly off the handle in class in my high school days.

Let's get to the root of social toxicity first before we start turning our schools into maximum security prisons.

Good luck with that. I don't see how you can get fathers to be responsible for their children. How do you get mothers to stop "sleeping around". How do you get authorities to interact more firmly and with greater intensity when "red flags" appear. How do you decrease the use of marijuana and anti-depressants.

One solution that does seem to work is arming teachers. I don't believe any school with teachers that are armed has had a mass shooting. Also, teachers that prop security doors open should suffer the consequences of their reckless behavior.
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« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2022, 04:33:22 pm »
We didn't need to militarize schools 50 years ago. What's happened between now and then?

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« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2022, 10:17:01 pm »
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"Let's get to the root of social toxicity first before we start turning our schools into maximum security prisons."


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« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2022, 07:14:04 pm »
Social toxicity, just another way of saying WOKE society and the march to a third world level society under a one world government, oppressive rule.
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« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2022, 02:38:16 am »
The time has come to arm every teacher willing to carry.  Important is proper training and practice.  Yes, routine practice so that they shoot to kill an active attacker effectively.

That means regular time on the firing range, just like police officers.  And yes, I would pay for that.  If hostile antagonists realize they will run into opposition at a school, I believe that will be sufficient deterrence to stop 90% of school shootings into the future.

If I were a teacher, I would want the ability to carry to protect myself and the students entrusted to my care.

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« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2022, 02:52:34 am »
The time has come to arm every teacher willing to carry.  Important is proper training and practice.  Yes, routine practice so that they shoot to kill an active attacker effectively.

That means regular time on the firing range, just like police officers.  And yes, I would pay for that.  If hostile antagonists realize they will run into opposition at a school, I believe that will be sufficient deterrence to stop 90% of school shootings into the future.

If I were a teacher, I would want the ability to carry to protect myself and the students entrusted to my care.

No. Not just like police officers. In order to become confident in your firearm handling, one needs to practice much more than the average police officer. For years I tried to shoot once a week. Once a month may be more practical.

 
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At a recent use-of-force class I was instructing for a public risk management group, the topic of firearms training frequency came up.

The discussion was prompted by the fact that during the latest round of FBI suspect interviews conducted for the third book in the officer assaulted and murdered trilogy, Violent Encounters, it was revealed that those suspects believed police officers trained between two and three times a week with their firearms.

In reality, most police departments only train about two times a year, averaging less than 15 hours annually.

In contrast to our frequency of training, those same suspects revealed that they practiced on average 23 times a year (or almost twice a month) with their handguns.

During a poll taken during this class which represented about a half dozen Florida law enforcement agencies, I asked how many train more than twice a year. No hands went up. When asked how many train or qualify with their duty guns only once a year, everyone raised their hands.