Elon Musk’s Tesla to Cover Travel Costs for Employees Seeking Out-of-State Abortions

[mystery-ak]

Elon Musk’s Tesla to Cover Travel Costs for Employees Seeking Out-of-State Abortions

Alana Mastrangelo 6 May 2022

Elon Musk’s Tesla is covering travel costs for employees who get out-of-state abortions, joining the ranks of several other companies that have introduced similar reimbursement policies in the wake of multiple states passing pro-life legislation.

Since 2021, Tesla has expanded its “Safety Net” program and health insurance offering to include “travel and lodging support for those who may need to seek healthcare services that are unavailable in their home state,” according to the company’s “Impact Report,” released Friday.

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[mystery-ak]

Big disappointment...

[IsailedawayfromFR]

A typical fiscal conservative but not social conservative = no conservative.

[catfish1957]

Musk, Maher, Rogan, Oz, Gabbard, et.al

They may not be woke, buy they are not conservatives.

Sadly, may are getting fooled that they are.

[sneakypete]

His money,he does not hold public office,none of my business.

[roamer_1]

Musk, Maher, Rogan, Oz, Gabbard, et.al

They may not be woke, buy they are not conservatives.

Sadly, may are getting fooled that they are.

... And so it goes...

[sneakypete]

Musk, Maher, Rogan, Oz, Gabbard, et.al

They may not be woke, buy they are not conservatives.

Sadly, may are getting fooled that they are.

@catfish1957

OH,HorseHillary!

There ARE sometimes legitimate reasons for a woman to have an abortion,and HOW is it anybodies business but their own as long as it is done prior to 3 month of conception.

Or maybe you would prefer for some of these girls/women to die from complications,or be stuck with a severely brain-damaged and maybe even crippled child that will forever be a child,and a drain on her heart and resources?

I am,in a general sense,strongly opposed to abortion except for health reasons after 90 days,and don't really like the idea of them earlier than 90 days.

BUT.....,I am NOT a woman or girl facing the consequences alone,so I don't get to make those decisions. Neither does anyone else but the pregnant girl/woman,and I have one very good female friend that had one was she was a teen,and she pays a price for that every day of her life that is much more severe than any price you or the government can put on her back. It has been decades,and she still suffers from that decision to this very day.

And "Yes,I DID "put my money where my mouth is." by offering to marry her in order to give the baby a name,and then help her put it up for adoption. This,despite the fact there was ZERO romance between the two of us. She was just a scared young woman from a Bible-Thumping family that would have never forgiven or spoken to her again if she had that baby. I was in a position to offer her help and an option,so that is what I did. That is the sort of things friends are SUPPOSED to do for one another.

[roamer_1]

There ARE sometimes legitimate reasons for a woman to have an abortion,and HOW is it anybodies business but their own as long as it is done prior to 3 month of conception.

Or maybe you would prefer for some of these girls/women to die from complications,or be stuck with a severely brain-damaged and maybe even crippled child that will forever be a child,and a drain on her heart and resources?

Nonsense @sneakypete . Reasons like that are infinitely small in comparison to the reality, just as is 'rape and incest'. Face it. It is used as a form of birth control without any other reason than that, MOST of the time.

BUT.....,I am NOT a woman or girl facing the consequences alone,so I don't get to make those decisions.

More nonsense. Feminist claptrap. I am a father with a daughter and a granddaughter. And I will look out for their interests... Which is to include keeping them from making such a dire mistake.

Neither does anyone else but the pregnant girl/woman,and I have one very good female friend that had one was she was a teen,and she pays a price for that every day of her life that is much more severe than any price you or the government can put on her back. It has been decades,and she still suffers from that decision to this very day.

And "Yes,I DID "put my money where my mouth is." by offering to marry her in order to give the baby a name,and then help her put it up for adoption. This,despite the fact there was ZERO romance between the two of us. She was just a scared young woman from a Bible-Thumping family that would have never forgiven or spoken to her again if she had that baby. I was in a position to offer her help and an option,so that is what I did. That is the sort of things friends are SUPPOSED to do for one another.

Aaand more bullcrap. I am a Bible Thumper and travel among Bible Thumpers... Among the very most fundamental of Bible Thumpers. Believe me, the abortion is harder to forgive than the pregnancy. And I have known PLENTY of young Christian girls that have wound up knocked up. ALL of them are still in their families and are forgiven. Every one. Sure there is hell to pay, but it don't stay that way.

In fact, on balance, a non-religious father is more likely to reject a daughter. Our permissive society is far more likely to reject her and leave her without recourse other than abortion.

The Christian solution has always been a shotgun wedding and owning up to responsibilities. And if not that, the girl usually has a big, strong house to fall back upon. I have seen both scenarios many times.

[jmyrlefuller]

His money,he does not hold public office,none of my business.

smuggling people to kill their own children in the womb?

[catfish1957]

@catfish1957

OH,HorseHillary!

There ARE sometimes legitimate reasons for a woman to have an abortion,and HOW is it anybodies business but their own as long as it is done prior to 3 month of conception.

Or maybe you would prefer for some of these girls/women to die from complications,or be stuck with a severely brain-damaged and maybe even crippled child that will forever be a child,and a drain on her heart and resources?

I am,in a general sense,strongly opposed to abortion except for health reasons after 90 days,and don't really like the idea of them earlier than 90 days.

BUT.....,I am NOT a woman or girl facing the consequences alone,so I don't get to make those decisions. Neither does anyone else but the pregnant girl/woman,and I have one very good female friend that had one was she was a teen,and she pays a price for that every day of her life that is much more severe than any price you or the government can put on her back. It has been decades,and she still suffers from that decision to this very day.

And "Yes,I DID "put my money where my mouth is." by offering to marry her in order to give the baby a name,and then help her put it up for adoption. This,despite the fact there was ZERO romance between the two of us. She was just a scared young woman from a Bible-Thumping family that would have never forgiven or spoken to her again if she had that baby. I was in a position to offer her help and an option,so that is what I did. That is the sort of things friends are SUPPOSED to do for one another.

Your strongly opininiated position is identical to the pro-choice left.  I'll just leave it at that.

[Kamaji]

@catfish1957

OH,HorseHillary!

There ARE sometimes legitimate reasons for a woman to have an abortion,and HOW is it anybodies business but their own as long as it is done prior to 3 month of conception.

Or maybe you would prefer for some of these girls/women to die from complications,or be stuck with a severely brain-damaged and maybe even crippled child that will forever be a child,and a drain on her heart and resources?

I am,in a general sense,strongly opposed to abortion except for health reasons after 90 days,and don't really like the idea of them earlier than 90 days.

BUT.....,I am NOT a woman or girl facing the consequences alone,so I don't get to make those decisions. Neither does anyone else but the pregnant girl/woman,and I have one very good female friend that had one was she was a teen,and she pays a price for that every day of her life that is much more severe than any price you or the government can put on her back. It has been decades,and she still suffers from that decision to this very day.

And "Yes,I DID "put my money where my mouth is." by offering to marry her in order to give the baby a name,and then help her put it up for adoption. This,despite the fact there was ZERO romance between the two of us. She was just a scared young woman from a Bible-Thumping family that would have never forgiven or spoken to her again if she had that baby. I was in a position to offer her help and an option,so that is what I did. That is the sort of things friends are SUPPOSED to do for one another.

You did the right thing. 

[sneakypete]

smuggling people to kill their own children in the womb?

@jmyrlefuller

Lighten up,Lucille! You sound like a drama queen.

[sneakypete]

Your strongly opininiated position is identical to the pro-choice left.  I'll just leave it at that.

@catfish1957

No,it is SIMILAR in SOME ways.

And so what?

NOBODY is wrong ALL the time,not even the rabid left.

[sneakypete]

You did the right thing.

@Kamaji

Thank you. Frankly,I expected to get flamed for pages,and am a little surprised I wasn't hit harder.

[LMAO]

I agree with SP when it comes to this issue.

I am personally pro life. But I don’t have to live with the consequences either way  of what a woman decides. IMO, both the left and the right can go too far on this issue. It reminds me of a conversation I had many years ago with a co worker who said, and I agree, neither side represents the majority

What should happen if a woman  finds out that she’s accidentally become pregnant and doesn’t know what to do. Do we have her register with the state so she can be monitored?

I’ve said for years I take the late Rush Limbaugh‘s position on abortion. You don’t pass laws to ban it. You work to change the hearts and minds of people

[sneakypete]

I agree with SP when it comes to this issue.

I am personally pro life. But I don’t have to live with the consequences either way  of what a woman decides. IMO, both the left and the right can go too far on this issue. It reminds me of a conversation I had many years ago with a co worker who said, and I agree, neither side represents the majority

What should happen if a woman  finds out that she’s accidentally become pregnant and doesn’t know what to do. Do we have her register with the state so she can be monitored?

I’ve said for years I take the late Rush Limbaugh‘s position on abortion. You don’t pass laws to ban it. You work to change the hearts and minds of people

@LMAO


Thank you!

I see this argument being VERY similar to the anti-gun/pro-gun arguement.

Ironically enough,in the gun control argument,it is the left and the right swapping sides.

The left has no problem with abortion on demand for no reason at all other than "I want one" and use the excuse/reason that "abortion can save the lives of the mothers",yet shriek in outrage if someone wants to buy a gun to protect themselves and their families from possible fatal attacks.

The Right has no problem with pretty much anyone owning a gun that wants one due to the defense of self and family if needed,yet shriek in outrage if a 14 year old girl that was raped (for example) wants to get an abortion.

It is the irrational extremists on both sides that keeps fueling the political wars with money and support. Neither seem to have the ability to see and accept the other sides reasoning,so the fighting goes on and the insults keep flying.

As I stated in my first post on this thread,I am personally opposed to abortion "just because I want one.",but I am not vain enough to think that what *I* think should necessarily be the law of the land. OTHER people also have rights. Sometimes I agree with those rights,and sometimes I don't.

Big flipping deal. We are supposed to be living in a FREE country,not a dictatorship of the left OR the right.

We are all Americans,and we either have rights,or we don't have rights. There IS no "in-between".

[catfish1957]

@catfish1957

No,it is SIMILAR in SOME ways.

And so what?

NOBODY is wrong ALL the time,not even the rabid left.

I respect your POV, just don't agree.  Kind of like here with Ukraine where there seems be a 2:1 pro-support faction ratio.

Personally, I think we need to butt out, and let Europe deal with it in its totality.  I realize myself, and few others are in the minority, but we are entitled to our opinion,

[roamer_1]

I agree with SP when it comes to this issue.

I am personally pro life. But I don’t have to live with the consequences either way  of what a woman decides. IMO, both the left and the right can go too far on this issue. It reminds me of a conversation I had many years ago with a co worker who said, and I agree, neither side represents the majority

What should happen if a woman  finds out that she’s accidentally become pregnant and doesn’t know what to do. Do we have her register with the state so she can be monitored?

I’ve said for years I take the late Rush Limbaugh‘s position on abortion. You don’t pass laws to ban it. You work to change the hearts and minds of people

I will disagree. A woman doesn't ACCIDENTALLY become pregnant. A decision is made. There are consequences and responsibilities surrounding that decision. The very same consequences and responsibilities that rob a man of his treasure for twenty years for the very same decision. Those few moments of pleasure have a string. Why is it that a woman can get off scott-free (after legally murdering her child), but a man is required to pay for the consequence... For decades. If a woman can slip the consequence, then so should a man.

And I am not satisfied with 'making no law'. So far, it is the practitioner that is in the crosshairs, not the woman. And I think it perfectly consistent to outlaw that practice.

I will agree with you that hearts and minds must be changed - And they normally are... After the fact. Abortions are mostly upon young women who are scared and have no idea what they are facing. I have known a few to express deep and painful regret once they do become a mother and realize what they have done.

The young are stupid and bullet-proof. You do not change their foolish minds. What you can do is protect them from themselves. And society should assist in that. It's what it is for.

[Bigun]

I respect your POV, just don't agree.  Kind of like here with Ukraine where there seems be a 2:1 pro-support faction ratio.

Personally, I think we need to butt out, and let Europe deal with it in its totality.  I realize myself, and few others are in the minority, but we are entitled to our opinion,

I'm in the middle of this. I'm all for sending guns and ammo to Ukraine but not $$$ which will magically find its way back to the pockets of the senders.

[sneakypete]

I respect your POV, just don't agree.  Kind of like here with Ukraine where there seems be a 2:1 pro-support faction ratio.

Personally, I think we need to butt out, and let Europe deal with it in its totality.  I realize myself, and few others are in the minority, but we are entitled to our opinion,

@catfish1957

While I am vocal about disagreeing with you and the others on this,I hope you never catch me trying to claim you don't have a right to your own opinion. The day you see me doing this,you need to tell me to change my screen name and start posting on Huff and Puff and Blow The Rich Queer Husband Down web sites.

The HARD truth is that it is ONLY leftists that claim individuals have no right to personal opinions. Group Thought Rules with the left,and never a contrary word is to be heard.

[sneakypete]

I will disagree. A woman doesn't ACCIDENTALLY become pregnant. 

@roamer_1

Ever heard of a thing called "Rape"?

[Bigun]

I agree with SP when it comes to this issue.

I am personally pro life. But I don’t have to live with the consequences either way  of what a woman decides. IMO, both the left and the right can go too far on this issue. It reminds me of a conversation I had many years ago with a co worker who said, and I agree, neither side represents the majority

What should happen if a woman  finds out that she’s accidentally become pregnant and doesn’t know what to do. Do we have her register with the state so she can be monitored?

I’ve said for years I take the late Rush Limbaugh‘s position on abortion. You don’t pass laws to ban it. You work to change the hearts and minds of people

I've always taken the constitutional position on abortion.  It's up to each individual state, the fedgov has no say in the matter.

[sneakypete]

I've always taken the constitutional position on abortion.  It's up to each individual state, the fedgov has no say in the matter.

@Bigun

Can't argue with that one,expect for the cases of pregnancies caused by rape.

Yeah,I know this makes me a hypocrite because a child of rape is every much as human as a child of love,but I never claimed to be prefect.

[Kamaji]

I agree with SP when it comes to this issue.

I am personally pro life. But I don’t have to live with the consequences either way  of what a woman decides. IMO, both the left and the right can go too far on this issue. It reminds me of a conversation I had many years ago with a co worker who said, and I agree, neither side represents the majority

What should happen if a woman  finds out that she’s accidentally become pregnant and doesn’t know what to do. Do we have her register with the state so she can be monitored?

I’ve said for years I take the late Rush Limbaugh‘s position on abortion. You don’t pass laws to ban it. You work to change the hearts and minds of people

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

Ever heard of a thing called "Rape"?

@sneakypete

Sure. That is not an accident. That is a criminal assault.

[mountaineer]

Levi Strauss also doing this.

Levi Strauss & Co.
@LeviStraussCo
As business leaders, we're responsible for protecting the health and well-being of our employees, and that includes protecting reproductive rights and abortion access.

blahblahblah

Sean Davis
@seanmdav
Nah, you just figure that killing your employees’ babies is cheaper than maternity leave.
9:21 PM · May 6, 2022

[roamer_1]

I've always taken the constitutional position on abortion.  It's up to each individual state, the fedgov has no say in the matter.

I don't think that's right either...

I am more satisfied than not to give it over to the states, just as I would be alright with a provision for rape and incest (if that were actually possible).

In the end it must be a Constitutional issue, based upon how the government can sanction death... There is only just cause or due process - Abortion fits neither - And therefore, it is the purpose of the government at all levels to otherwise protect life - The foremost enumerated right... Before liberty and the pursuit of happiness...

There is no state that can take YOUR life without just cause or due process... Nor can the feds... That baby is no different, except in its utter innocence and inability to protect itself.  If we fail to protect the most innocent life of all, our vaunted Constitution is nothing but a charade, And American justice a joke.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

Sure. That is not an accident. That is a criminal assault.

@roamer_1

Should teen girls and women who get impregnated due to rape be forced to bear the child?

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

Should teen girls and women who get impregnated due to rape be forced to bear the child?

@sneakypete

Is its progeny the child's fault? Punish the rapist, I am good with that. Kill the child? What did the child do wrong? Besides, it is a specious argument. Abortion because of rape is a tiny minority of cases.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

Is its progeny the child's fault? Punish the rapist, I am good with that. Kill the child? What did the child do wrong? Besides, it is a specious argument. Abortion because of rape is a tiny minority of cases.

@roamer_1

Ok,come on out and have the balls to admit a pregnant 14 year old girl that has been raped should give birth and be saddled with motherhood and lose her chance for a life of her own.

If that is what you think,and it seems to be,man up and say it.

BTW,I DO agree with you that the rape and the impregnation are a tragedy,as would be aborting the child of rape.

Life ain't perfect. If it were,there would be no young girls or women raped.

[Kamaji]

@roamer_1

Ok,come on out and have the balls to admit a pregnant 14 year old girl that has been raped should give birth and be saddled with motherhood and lose her chance for a life of her own.

If that is what you think,and it seems to be,man up and say it.

BTW,I DO agree with you that the rape and the impregnation are a tragedy,as would be aborting the child of rape.

Life ain't perfect. If it were,there would be no young girls or women raped.

[Bigun]

I don't think that's right either...

I am more satisfied than not to give it over to the states, just as I would be alright with a provision for rape and incest (if that were actually possible).

In the end it must be a Constitutional issue, based upon how the government can sanction death... There is only just cause or due process - Abortion fits neither - And therefore, it is the purpose of the government at all levels to otherwise protect life - The foremost enumerated right... Before liberty and the pursuit of happiness...

There is no state that can take YOUR life without just cause or due process... Nor can the feds... That baby is no different, except in its utter innocence and inability to protect itself.  If we fail to protect the most innocent life of all, our vaunted Constitution is nothing but a charade, And American justice a joke.

That is another matter @roamer_1 There is nothing in the constitution that would prevent a state law from being declared unconstitutional is there? I seem to recall that happening quite a bit.

Following the constitution is the correct path forward.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

Ok,come on out and have the balls to admit a pregnant 14 year old girl that has been raped should give birth and be saddled with motherhood and lose her chance for a life of her own.

If that is what you think,and it seems to be,man up and say it.

BTW,I DO agree with you that the rape and the impregnation are a tragedy,as would be aborting the child of rape.

Life ain't perfect. If it were,there would be no young girls or women raped.

@sneakypete

As I said upthread, I would 'settle', as it were, for abortion to be turned over to the state, as well as provisions for rape and incest (if that were possible).

But yes - The girl should keep the kid. I have come to know that EVERY child is a blessing. So the woman is not 'saddled' with anything except the trauma, which the blessing of the child often helps to repair. Seldom does a mother hate her children or figure them to be a burden.

Every path in this world has its dangers... Every path can change your life in unexpected ways that often seem to be burdensome... But often the blessings far outweigh the curse.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

As I said upthread, I would 'settle', as it were, for abortion to be turned over to the state, as well as provisions for rape and incest (if that were possible).

But yes - The girl should keep the kid. I have come to know that EVERY child is a blessing. So the woman is not 'saddled' with anything except the trauma, which the blessing of the child often helps to repair. Seldom does a mother hate her children or figure them to be a burden.

Every path in this world has its dangers... Every path can change your life in unexpected ways that often seem to be burdensome... But often the blessings far outweigh the curse.

@roamer_1

I couldn't agree more,but who are either of us to tell a young girl or woman we don't know what to do with her life?

AND.......,we are NOT talking about individual opinions,here. We are talking about state and national laws.

I,personally,don't believe abortion or much of anything else,should be governed by a Federal Government. I believe this should be the decision of individual states and their voters.

[roamer_1]

That is another matter @roamer_1 There is nothing in the constitution that would prevent a state law from being declared unconstitutional is there? I seem to recall that happening quite a bit.

Following the constitution is the correct path forward.

@Bigun
I agree with you @Bigun , except in the bare fact that no level of government can take your life without due process or just cause... Except in the case of abortion. I think that's the crux of the thing right there.

Let the states decide, willy-nilly to sanction killing babies, how long will it be before the states can willy-nilly decide to sanction killing you? There ain't no way around it. And the feds, the very same.

[Bigun]

@Bigun
I agree with you @Bigun , except in the bare fact that no level of government can take your life without due process or just cause... Except in the case of abortion. I think that's the crux of the thing right there.

Let the states decide, willy-nilly to sanction killing babies, how long will it be before the states can willy-nilly decide to sanction killing you? There ain't no way around it. And the feds, the very same.

Let those states willing to sanction the wanton killing of babies take their chances in federal court and see how they fare. @roamer_1

Edit to add: All we have to win is one!

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

I couldn't agree more,but who are either of us to tell a young girl or woman we don't know what to do with her life?

The hubris of modernity, @sneakypete . It wasn't an issue until sanctioned sterile abortions became available and approved. How is it that we DO know what to do with her life if she kills her 2 year-old child? It is the very same thing.

AND.......,we are NOT talking about individual opinions,here. We are talking about state and national laws.

Right... Which I have already ceded to 'settle' for states, and even rape and incest if it were possible.

But it is still philosophically and morally wrong... Necessarily so.

I,personally,don't believe abortion or much of anything else,should be governed by a Federal Government. I believe this should be the decision of individual states and their voters.

In the same way as any other due process action... I agree. But then, due process must occur. There must be a charge and a trial, a conviction and a sentence. There is no other way (but Just cause) for a state to sanction the taking of life. That is simply the fact of it.

[roamer_1]

Let those states willing to sanction the wanton killing of babies take their chances in federal court and see how they fare. @roamer_1

Edit to add: All we have to win is one!

I like it @Bigun

Except that leads us right back to where we are with a SCOTUS decision...

[Bigun]

I like it @Bigun

Except that leads us right back to where we are with a SCOTUS decision...

I respectfully but strongly disagree @roamer_1 IMHO all of this would have been sorted out long ago had a rogue court not made something up out of whole cloth and saddled us with it for 50 years.

[roamer_1]

I respectfully but strongly disagree @roamer_1 IMHO all of this would have been sorted out long ago had a rogue court not made something up out of whole cloth and saddled us with it for 50 years.

Right @Bigun
But in the course of weighing state cases through the appellate system, the eventual and final destination is once again a case before SCOTUS, which may once again be a rogue court all over again... Digging in its navel for penumbras once again... Which is exactly what got us into this mess in the first place.

We ain't afar off, you and me. But an eventual case before an eventual SCOTUS does not give me solace.

[Bigun]

Right @Bigun
But in the course of weighing state cases through the appellate system, the eventual and final destination is once again a case before SCOTUS, which may once again be a rogue court all over again... Digging in its navel for penumbras once again... Which is exactly what got us into this mess in the first place.

We ain't afar off, you and me. But an eventual case before an eventual SCOTUS does not give me solace.

  I agree @roamer_1 but there is something to be said for doing things the RIGHT (constitutional) way.

BTW: I have little regard for SCOTUS after what they did with Texas vs Pennsylvania.

[roamer_1]

I agree @roamer_1 but there is something to be said for doing things the RIGHT (constitutional) way.


BTW: I have little regard for SCOTUS after what they did with Texas vs Pennsylvania.

That's right @Bigun And being as it is codified already from all the way back in the DoI, I don't know how to fix it - Except to codify at the federal level what LIFE means. Because that is the lingering question, and the basis for all of this...

In FACT, there can be no real argument. The assignment of LIFE is in the hands of an higher court than the courts of Man can produce - That is what our documents of establishment declare... With only two exceptions which are present all the way back in English/Celtic Common Law. All that is laid low by novel new means.

[sneakypete]

The hubris of modernity, @sneakypete . It wasn't an issue until sanctioned sterile abortions became available and approved.

@roamer_1

I hope you aren't trying to imply there were no abortions before they became legal?

How is it that we DO know what to do with her life if she kills her 2 year-old child? It is the very same thing.

Uh,huh. A month old fetus is the same as a two year old live child?

What color is the sky on your home planet?

Right... Which I have already ceded to 'settle' for states, and even rape and incest if it were possible.

Not sure I understand your point on that one.


But it is still philosophically and morally wrong... Necessarily so.


For you and others who think like you,but nobody died and made you "Masters of the Universe". I suspect  you are even a minority of the population,although I also suspect most of the people who disagree with you are prone to remain silent on this issue so they aren't lumped in with the radical left protestors.

In the same way as any other due process action... I agree. But then, due process must occur. There must be a charge and a trial, a conviction and a sentence. There is no other way (but Just cause) for a state to sanction the taking of life. That is simply the fact of it.

So,now you are claiming you become a live human at conception? You are not. You are a nothing more than a parasite inside the body of your mother until birth that has the POTENTIAL to develop into a human being. A fetus will feed off her and be completely dependent on her for absolutely everything until birth.

[Fishrrman]

Folks in this forum can argue about it all they want, but I fearlessly predict that Tesla's position on this is what's going to be adapted by virtually every major corporation in the country, and by many lesser ones as well...

[Smokin Joe]

@catfish1957

OH,HorseHillary!

There ARE sometimes legitimate reasons for a woman to have an abortion,and HOW is it anybodies business but their own as long as it is done prior to 3 month of conception.

Or maybe you would prefer for some of these girls/women to die from complications,or be stuck with a severely brain-damaged and maybe even crippled child that will forever be a child,and a drain on her heart and resources?

I am,in a general sense,strongly opposed to abortion except for health reasons after 90 days,and don't really like the idea of them earlier than 90 days.

BUT.....,I am NOT a woman or girl facing the consequences alone,so I don't get to make those decisions. Neither does anyone else but the pregnant girl/woman,and I have one very good female friend that had one was she was a teen,and she pays a price for that every day of her life that is much more severe than any price you or the government can put on her back. It has been decades,and she still suffers from that decision to this very day.

And "Yes,I DID "put my money where my mouth is." by offering to marry her in order to give the baby a name,and then help her put it up for adoption. This,despite the fact there was ZERO romance between the two of us. She was just a scared young woman from a Bible-Thumping family that would have never forgiven or spoken to her again if she had that baby. I was in a position to offer her help and an option,so that is what I did. That is the sort of things friends are SUPPOSED to do for one another.

I'm with you, Pete, to a point. I don't like abortion, no matter what, unless it is to prevent the death of the mother in a pregnancy that would have killed both mother and child. Those happen.

But this doesn't necessarily translate to abortion travel.

My granddaughter had twins in the oven, and there were severe complications. We could have lost all three. The medical care trail led from ND to Billings, MT,  to Baylor, back to the NICU in Billings over three months before she made it home with the girls. Medical care does not necessarily translate to abortion, and I really wish the kids had had this sort of backing from her fellow's employer.

For many, this might include cancer care, clinical trials of new possibly effective treatments unavailable otherwise, or other specialty medical care, again: not abortion.

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@roamer_1

Ever heard of a thing called "Rape"?

Neither an accident nor is it always result in pregnancy.

I wish I knew the statistics of how often rape results in pregnancy.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

@roamer_1

Ok,come on out and have the balls to admit a pregnant 14 year old girl that has been raped should give birth and be saddled with motherhood and lose her chance for a life of her own.

If that is what you think,and it seems to be,man up and say it.

BTW,I DO agree with you that the rape and the impregnation are a tragedy,as would be aborting the child of rape.

Life ain't perfect. If it were,there would be no young girls or women raped.

Life ain't perfect but you are arguing against the life of an innocent who has no choice in the matter.

I weigh in on the life of the child and would give great consideration on protecting both mother and child during her strenuous times which began with the rape.

[roamer_1]

I hope you aren't trying to imply there were no abortions before they became legal?

@sneakypete

Naw. But there were damn few by comparison.

Uh,huh. A month old fetus is the same as a two year old live child?

Funny thing you know... 'fetus' is just Latin for 'baby'... 

And yes - They are the same. If a pregnant woman is killed, why is the murderer charged with two counts?
A child is a child. A distinction without a difference.

Not sure I understand your point on that one.

I have already said, several times, that I would settle for turning the issue back to the states, and for exceptions in the case of rape and incest (if that were possible) - The reason exceptions for rape and incest are not possible is that a simple claim of rape - with no evidence one way or another - just means everyone will claim rape and nothing will change.

You should read Reagan on this stuff. Look at what he tried to do in allowing abortion in a fair and balanced way in California, to make it rare but accessible in cases of rape, incest, and medical necessity. He went out of his way to be reasonable - But all it took was a panel of 10 doctors willing to rubber stamp cases and abortion took off like a rocket - He thought it the worst mistake he ever made.

For you and others who think like you,but nobody died and made you "Masters of the Universe". I suspect  you are even a minority of the population,although I also suspect most of the people who disagree with you are prone to remain silent on this issue so they aren't lumped in with the radical left protestors.

No. It is philosophically and morally bankrupt as a matter of contradiction, according to every major religion and philosophy of any historical weight. I don't care who disagrees with me. It is a direct in-your-face contradiction of every meaningful description of life's sanctity.

So,now you are claiming you become a live human at conception? You are not. You are a nothing more than a parasite inside the body of your mother until birth that has the POTENTIAL to develop into a human being. A fetus will feed off her and be completely dependent on her for absolutely everything until birth.

More liberal claptrap. OF COURSE you are a human at conception. Unique from all others the minute your DNA is modeled at the making of the first cell. Left to it's own devices in its natural environment, what do you think it is, a chicken? It is a baby. By every historical and cultural norm. A woman who is pregnant is 'with child' from the moment she knows. When a woman experiences a miscarriage she has 'lost her baby'.

You have done nothing but fall for the liberal slicing and dicing of historical norms - Again, the hubris of modernity. What has been for long ages does not change simply because somebody changes the words in the definition. What it is remains the same regardless.

[mountaineer]

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― Clay Routledge (quoted at https: //twitter.com/a_centrism/status/1523113116413751298)