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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #650 on: May 20, 2022, 12:32:35 am »
"The battle for Severodonetsk began.  Ukrainian Forces use the heavily populated centre to defend against the Russian offensive.  No self-respecting analyst predicts Ukraine will hold this city, meaning Ukraine will sacrifice it and its civilians to DELAY Russian & LNR advances." (Video)


https://mobile.twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1527400094277980166

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« Reply #651 on: May 20, 2022, 12:40:08 am »
"The battle for Severodonetsk began.  Ukrainian Forces use the heavily populated centre to defend against the Russian offensive.  No self-respecting analyst predicts Ukraine will hold this city, meaning Ukraine will sacrifice it and its civilians to DELAY Russian & LNR advances." (Video)


https://mobile.twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1527400094277980166

You are so full of crap. Your "self-respecting analyst" predicted the fall of virtually every other Ukrainian city - and were wrong. All the sacrificing of lives is being done by the Russians killing people and destroying cities where none of those people attacked Russia.

Like I've said before. History is not going to be kind to you.

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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #652 on: May 20, 2022, 12:44:51 am »
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Russian Foreign Ministry: "Russia does not interfere with Ukraine's grain exports, the logistics problems were caused by Kiev: its troops mined their own ports"

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« Reply #653 on: May 20, 2022, 12:48:47 am »
Like I've said before. History is not going to be kind to you.

And you've still not explained what you mean by this hyperbole @DB  ------  Why not give it a shot?


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« Reply #654 on: May 20, 2022, 12:49:22 am »
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Russian Foreign Ministry: "Russia does not interfere with Ukraine's grain exports, the logistics problems were caused by Kiev: its troops mined their own ports"

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Yeah, right. And the fleet putting around the Black Sea isn't interference?

I think the Ukraine should use grain ships as bait to bring the Russians in missile range. Fill 'em with sand so they ride lower then an empty vessel would.
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #655 on: May 20, 2022, 02:05:00 am »
"EXCLUSIVE! AZOV Battalion Mariupol Headquarters Walkthrough"  (Video)


https://youtu.be/dSKqqw511do

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« Reply #656 on: May 20, 2022, 02:09:03 am »
Palamar: Azov Regiment command stays in Azovstal’s territory

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3487400-palamar-azov-regiment-command-stays-in-azovstals-territory.html

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Deputy Commander of the Azov Regiment, Captain Sviatoslav Palamar (call sign Kalyna) recorded a video in which he denies the information that he left the territory of the Azovstal steelworks in Mariupol and surrendered to Russian invaders.

Ukrainian war correspondent Andriy Tsaplienko published the relevant video on Telegram, Ukrinform reports.

"The command and I are in the territory of Azovstal steelworks. An operation is underway, the details of which I will not disclose. I want to thank the whole world and Ukraine for support. See you," he said.

The other day, Russian war correspondent Dmitry Steshin stated that Sviatoslav Palamar had left Azovstal and surrendered.

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« Reply #657 on: May 20, 2022, 02:10:49 am »
"The battle for Severodonetsk began.  Ukrainian Forces use the heavily populated centre to defend against the Russian offensive.

They make it sound like Ukraine is forcing Russia to attack/bomb/shell/destroy Severodonetsk.
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« Reply #658 on: May 20, 2022, 02:16:24 am »
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Russian Foreign Ministry: "Russia does not interfere with Ukraine's grain exports

RWA lies.  But then we knew that already.



Russian ships carrying stolen Ukrainian grain turned away from Mediterranean ports -- but not all of them

Tim Lister and Sanyo Fylyppov, CNN  |  Updated 7:47 AM ET, Thu May 12, 2022


A Russian merchant ship loaded with grain stolen in Ukraine has been turned away from at least one Mediterranean port and is now in the Syrian port of Latakia, according to shipping sources and Ukrainian officials.

CNN has identified the vessel as the bulk carrier Matros Pozynich.
On April 27, the ship weighed anchor off the coast of Crimea, and turned off its transponder. The next day it was seen at the port of Sevastopol, the main port in Crimea, according to photographs and satellite images.

The Matros Pozynich is one of three ships involved in the trade of stolen grain, according to open source research and Ukrainian officials.  .  .

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/12/europe/russia-ship-stolen-ukraine-grain-intl-cmd/index.html
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« Reply #659 on: May 20, 2022, 02:19:50 am »
Russia 'steals 400,000 tons of grain' from Ukraine to spark famine warning

Kate Buck, UK  |  May 4, 2022


Ukraine has accused Moscow of stealing 400,000 tonnes of grain in regions Russian troops are occupying.

Vladimir Putin ordered his troops to invade Ukraine in February but, after failing to take over the capital of Kyiv, ordered a new offensive in the south east of the county in a bid to fully take over the Donbas region.

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Andrii, a serviceman of the Ukrainian Armed Forces volunteer unit Karpatska Sich, walks inside a grain storage of a farmer enterprise, damaged during a Russian military strike, as Russia's attack on Ukraine continues, in Kharkiv region, Ukraine May 2, 2022.  REUTERS/Serhii Nuzhnenko
Ukrainian soldier Andrii walks inside a grain storage of a farmer enterprise, damaged during a Russian military strike in Kharkiv. (Getty)
Ukraine has accused Moscow of stealing 400,000 tonnes of grain in regions Russian troops are occupying.

Vladimir Putin ordered his troops to invade Ukraine in February but, after failing to take over the capital of Kyiv, ordered a new offensive in the south east of the county in a bid to fully take over the Donbas region.

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Ukraine is a major exporter of grain, and sold 44.7 million tonnes abroad in 2020/21- making it the world's fourth-largest supplier.

But since Russia invaded, the volume of exports has fallen sharply, and the United Nations has warned 1.7 billion people worldwide may face poverty and hunger due to food disruptions as a result of the war.

According to the Kyiv Independent, Ukraine has now accused Russia of moving hundreds of thousands of tonnes of grain, threatening the supply chain of future harvests.

The grain has reportedly been taken from the areas of Zaporizhia, Kherson, Donetsk and Luhansk in the south-east.  .  .

https://news.yahoo.com/russia-steals-400000-tons-grain-ukraine-famine-warning-144407455.html
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #660 on: May 20, 2022, 02:28:31 am »
"EXCLUSIVE! AZOV Battalion Mariupol Headquarters Walkthrough"  (Video)

Why are we just now seeing this video considering how the Russians have occupied this for several weeks now?  And why are so many of the signs and stickers written in English instead of Ukrainian?
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« Reply #661 on: May 20, 2022, 02:32:13 am »
I recall seeing something similar in a previous war:

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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #662 on: May 20, 2022, 02:43:20 am »
Why are we just now seeing this video considering how the Russians have occupied this for several weeks now?  And why are so many of the signs and stickers written in English instead of Ukrainian?

Ask the film's producer.   :shrug:


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« Reply #663 on: May 20, 2022, 02:47:06 am »
"EXCLUSIVE! AZOV Battalion Mariupol Headquarters Walkthrough"  (Video)


https://youtu.be/dSKqqw511do
Interesting that the Azov Battalion headquarters has no bullet or shell holes, and is a fairly intact building compared to Mariupol.

Also that they hate Antifa and "modern football".

Lots there in English and not Ukrainian or Russian, too. (ZOV means "call" in Russian, but those are English letters, not Cyrillic)
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« Reply #664 on: May 20, 2022, 02:47:29 am »
RWA lies.  But then we knew that already.


Thank heaven CNN and Yahoo! never do.   :laugh:

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« Reply #665 on: May 20, 2022, 02:49:21 am »
Interesting that the Azov Battalion headquarters has no bullet or shell holes, and is a fairly intact building compared to Mariupol.

Actually, according to the Azov spokesman, they're not in Mariupol.....but near it and hve been there for 8 years.

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« Reply #666 on: May 20, 2022, 02:50:04 am »
They make it sound like Ukraine is forcing Russia to attack/bomb/shell/destroy Severodonetsk.
Yeah. Those Russians were just out helping with the spring tilling, and then those nasty Ukrainians went and shoved cities, schools, hospitals, and all other manner of buildings and things under the bombs and shells How bloody inconsiderate of those Ukrainians making those peaceful Russkies look bad while they were just trying to help the farmers.

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« Reply #667 on: May 20, 2022, 02:52:24 am »
Actually, according to the Azov spokesman, they're not in Mariupol.....but near it and have been there for 8 years.
So this building was a well known target for those fighting the "Nazis" in Ukraine, and not even symbolically worth a bomb run? :pondering:
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« Reply #668 on: May 20, 2022, 02:53:46 am »
RWA lies.  But then we knew that already.



Russian ships carrying stolen Ukrainian grain turned away from Mediterranean ports -- but not all of them

Tim Lister and Sanyo Fylyppov, CNN  |  Updated 7:47 AM ET, Thu May 12, 2022


A Russian merchant ship loaded with grain stolen in Ukraine has been turned away from at least one Mediterranean port and is now in the Syrian port of Latakia, according to shipping sources and Ukrainian officials.

CNN has identified the vessel as the bulk carrier Matros Pozynich.
On April 27, the ship weighed anchor off the coast of Crimea, and turned off its transponder. The next day it was seen at the port of Sevastopol, the main port in Crimea, according to photographs and satellite images.

The Matros Pozynich is one of three ships involved in the trade of stolen grain, according to open source research and Ukrainian officials.  .  .

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/12/europe/russia-ship-stolen-ukraine-grain-intl-cmd/index.html
Oh, they aren't interfering with exports of Ukrainian Grain, in fact they're just being helpful.

Shades of the Holodomor.

Time to break out the missiles again.
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« Reply #669 on: May 20, 2022, 03:04:55 am »
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« Reply #670 on: May 20, 2022, 03:10:43 am »
So this building was a well known target for those fighting the "Nazis" in Ukraine, and not even symbolically worth a bomb run? :pondering:


I'm not sure this    pointing-up    military strategy holds up.   IIRC,  the majority of the battalion was hiding in the tunnels of a steel mill preparing to surrender.


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« Reply #671 on: May 20, 2022, 03:15:34 am »

I'm not sure this    pointing-up    military strategy holds up.   IIRC,  the majority of the battalion was hiding in the tunnels of a steel mill preparing to surrender.
Rubbing your enemies's noses in defeat, especially something as symbolic as destroying their headquarters building, especially when you are out "hunting Nazis" would be a hard piece of propaganda to ignore.

Unless you are out to make videos detailing how nasty those Nazis are (just look!--they even hate modern football).

I'd wager every bit of the set there could be bought somewhere on line.
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« Reply #672 on: May 20, 2022, 03:21:01 am »
I'd wager every bit of the set there could be bought somewhere on line.

Okay.   :shrug:

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« Reply #673 on: May 20, 2022, 03:34:04 am »
Rubbing your enemies's noses in defeat, especially something as symbolic as destroying their headquarters building, especially when you are out "hunting Nazis" would be a hard piece of propaganda to ignore.

Unless you are out to make videos detailing how nasty those Nazis are (just look!--they even hate modern football).

The truth about the Azov Battalion has been know for years and years.   I'm still trying to understand why so many have such difficulty accepting this.

Their history is what prompted this Congressional (in)action.....

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Congress bans arms to Ukraine militia linked to neo-Nazis
The Hill,  Mar 27, 2018

A little-noticed provision in the 2,232-page government spending bill passed last week bans U.S. arms from going to a controversial ultranationalist militia in Ukraine that has openly accepted neo-Nazis into its ranks.

House-passed spending bills for the past three years have included a ban on U.S. aid to Ukraine from going to the Azov Battalion, but the provision was stripped out before final passage each year.

This year, though, the $1.3 trillion omnibus spending bill signed into law last week stipulates that “none of the funds made available by this act may be used to provide arms, training or other assistance to the Azov Battalion.”

“White supremacy and neo-Nazism are unacceptable and have no place in our world,” Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.), an outspoken critic of providing lethal aid to Ukraine, said in a statement to The Hill on Tuesday. “I am very pleased that the recently passed omnibus prevents the U.S. from providing arms and training assistance to the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion fighting in Ukraine.”

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/380483-congress-bans-arms-to-controversial-ukrainian-militia-linked-to-neo-nazis/

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« Reply #674 on: May 20, 2022, 03:36:04 am »
Russian propaganda continues to malign the Azov Regiment eight years after Andriy Biletsky stepped down.  The Azov Battalion ceased to exist in Jan 2015 when it was incorporated into the Ukrainian National Guard as the Azov Regiment.  But we still get bombarded with the same old "Azov Battalion" propaganda that the Russians have been spewing ever since their puppet Viktor Yanukovych was impeached in 2014.
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