Author Topic: Ukraine Has Joined NATO Whether Russia Likes It or Not, and More Are Yet to Follow  (Read 254 times)

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Offline bilo

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Putin and his acolytes would have us believe that NATO has just been lying in wait for the chance to bring Ukraine into NATO so NATO can invade Russia or something. Instead, in something of a geopolitical “own goal,” the invasion of Ukraine has created a de facto expansion of NATO to include Ukraine, and a de jure expansion of NATO to include Finland and Sweden is only months away.

...While a lot of attention was paid to Ukraine receiving armored vehicles (T-62s and BMPs from Czechia and an S-300 surface-to-air missile system from Slovakia), the big news, in my view, was Ukraine buying 16 ZUZANA 2 self-propelled 155mm howitzers.

Why is the sale of 16 artillery pieces a big deal? Three silly millimeters. Russian artillery uses a 152mm projectile. The NATO standard is 155mm. By the way, Georgia is also looking at buying this artillery. Like Ukraine, they also use 152mm artillery, making them NATO compliant.

Western anti-tank weapons systems have already pushed the once-ubiquitous RPG-7 into near extinction. This proliferation of advanced, man-portable anti-tank weapons from US Javelin and British NLAW to German Panzerfaust 3 has achieved something of NATO standardization. On the anti-aircraft side of the ledger, the US Stinger and British Starstreak are pushing the Russian Igla the way of the dodo.

Also lacking notice is Australia’s providing combat-proven Bushmaster vehicles to aid mobility. The Bushmaster is similar to the US MRAP and provides a great deal of crew protection and survivability. Britain has also committed to sending 120 of their MRAP-equivalent, the Mastiff, to Ukraine. Again more standardization.

https://redstate.com/streiff/2022/04/09/ukraine-has-joined-nato-whether-russia-likes-it-or-not-and-more-are-yet-to-follow-n547867

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Ukraine becomes part of NATO, WWIII is a foregone conclusion.

We go down that road, we need our head examined.

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Ukraine becomes part of NATO, WWIII is a foregone conclusion.

We go down that road, we need our head examined.

The article isn't talking about a recognized membership, but a de facto membership due to the standardization of equipment. Finland and Sweden will join NATO as recognized members in the near future.

I think the idea that whatever ticks off Putin will trigger WWIII is mistaken. If Russia is pushed out of Ukraine the media in Russia will declare it a victory. Putin will not launch nuclear missiles unless the free world's armies start marching into Russia and we aren't going to do that. We aren't going to send soldiers to Ukraine, nor have we been asked to. All we need to do is give Ukraine the weapons to clear their sky of Russian bombers and artillery capable of bombing Russia's fortified positions in Ukraine.
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