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Offline Right_in_Virginia

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Re: FNC’s Carlson: Everyone Is ‘Lying’ — Ukraine Is Not a Democracy
« Reply #50 on: March 22, 2022, 08:51:07 pm »
You are right, I am inferring something. I've learned that a lot of people hide their true motivations, and so actions speak louder to me than words.

What "actions"

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Re: FNC’s Carlson: Everyone Is ‘Lying’ — Ukraine Is Not a Democracy
« Reply #52 on: March 22, 2022, 08:55:22 pm »
No he didn't.  Carlson even specifically mentoned that the parties Zellinski eliminated were pro Ukranian!!!!  Where do you come up with this stuff?

Ukraine bans political parties affiliated with Russia

Christopher Hutton  |  March 20, 2022  |  02:43 PM


Ukrainian officials have moved to suspend several political parties within the country that have connections to Russia.

The National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine announced on Sunday that it is suspending 11 Ukrainian political parties due to connections to Russia or the Kremlin.

“The activities of those politicians aimed at division or collusion will not succeed but will receive a harsh response,” said Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in a Telegram video address.

“Therefore, the national security and defense council decided, given the full-scale war unleashed by Russia and the political ties that a number of political structures have with this state, to suspend any activity of a number of political parties for the period of martial law," Zelensky added.

The suspended parties include the Opposition Platform - For Life, Sharij’s Party, Nashi, Opposition Bloc, Left Opposition, Union of Left Forces, Derzhava, Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine, Socialist Party of Ukraine, the Socialists, and Volodymyr Saldo’s Bloc. Only two out of the 11 listed parties have members in Ukraine's parliament.

The Opposition Platform for Life is considered Ukraine's largest opposition party and is led by Viktor Medvedchuk, a pro-Russia leader with close ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin. Medvedchuk was charged with treason in May 2021 and put under house arrest.
Ukrainian officials claim that Medvedchuk escaped house arrest three days after Russia invaded Ukraine on February 24.  .  .

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ukraine-bans-political-parties-affiliated-with-russia
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Re: FNC’s Carlson: Everyone Is ‘Lying’ — Ukraine Is Not a Democracy
« Reply #53 on: March 22, 2022, 09:03:58 pm »
Does that include the Republican Party?

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Re: FNC’s Carlson: Everyone Is ‘Lying’ — Ukraine Is Not a Democracy
« Reply #54 on: March 22, 2022, 09:18:51 pm »

for those who prefer the original version from Falco:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-bgiiTxhzM


I was taking German as one of my classes in college when that song came out. Loved that I could understand a lot of the words.

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Re: FNC’s Carlson: Everyone Is ‘Lying’ — Ukraine Is Not a Democracy
« Reply #55 on: March 22, 2022, 09:28:32 pm »
Ukraine bans political parties affiliated with Russia

Christopher Hutton  |  March 20, 2022  |  02:43 PM


Ukrainian officials have moved to suspend several political parties within the country that have connections to Russia.

The National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine announced on Sunday that it is suspending 11 Ukrainian political parties due to connections to Russia or the Kremlin.

“The activities of those politicians aimed at division or collusion will not succeed but will receive a harsh response,” said Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in a Telegram video address.

“Therefore, the national security and defense council decided, given the full-scale war unleashed by Russia and the political ties that a number of political structures have with this state, to suspend any activity of a number of political parties for the period of martial law," Zelensky added.

The suspended parties include the Opposition Platform - For Life, Sharij’s Party, Nashi, Opposition Bloc, Left Opposition, Union of Left Forces, Derzhava, Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine, Socialist Party of Ukraine, the Socialists, and Volodymyr Saldo’s Bloc. Only two out of the 11 listed parties have members in Ukraine's parliament.

The Opposition Platform for Life is considered Ukraine's largest opposition party and is led by Viktor Medvedchuk, a pro-Russia leader with close ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin. Medvedchuk was charged with treason in May 2021 and put under house arrest.
Ukrainian officials claim that Medvedchuk escaped house arrest three days after Russia invaded Ukraine on February 24.  .  .

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ukraine-bans-political-parties-affiliated-with-russia


Ukraine has a plethora - a surfeit, even - of political parties:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_parties_in_Ukraine

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Re: FNC’s Carlson: Everyone Is ‘Lying’ — Ukraine Is Not a Democracy
« Reply #56 on: March 22, 2022, 09:28:49 pm »
I was taking German as one of my classes in college when that song came out. Loved that I could understand a lot of the words.

"Alles klar, Herr Kommisar?"


Ja!

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Re: FNC’s Carlson: Everyone Is ‘Lying’ — Ukraine Is Not a Democracy
« Reply #57 on: March 22, 2022, 09:37:45 pm »
I was taking German as one of my classes in college when that song came out. Loved that I could understand a lot of the words.

"Alles klar, Herr Kommisar?"

Have either of you seen the movie "Atomic Blonde"?  Sounds like you'd enjoy the soundtrack.
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

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Re: FNC’s Carlson: Everyone Is ‘Lying’ — Ukraine Is Not a Democracy
« Reply #58 on: March 22, 2022, 09:37:51 pm »
Posting history.

You are right, I am inferring something. I've learned that a lot of people hide their true motivations, and so actions speak louder to me than words.

But you just defined "actions" as posting history.    Do you see the contradiction here?

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Re: FNC’s Carlson: Everyone Is ‘Lying’ — Ukraine Is Not a Democracy
« Reply #59 on: March 22, 2022, 11:18:42 pm »
But you just defined "actions" as posting history.    Do you see the contradiction here?
Posting history = words.

Whatever.
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Re: FNC’s Carlson: Everyone Is ‘Lying’ — Ukraine Is Not a Democracy
« Reply #60 on: March 22, 2022, 11:28:05 pm »
But you just defined "actions" as posting history.    Do you see the contradiction here?

Posting isn't an action?  Choosing what to post, isn't an action?

Well OK then.
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Re: FNC’s Carlson: Everyone Is ‘Lying’ — Ukraine Is Not a Democracy
« Reply #61 on: March 22, 2022, 11:30:13 pm »
Posting isn't an action?  Choosing what to post, isn't an action?

Well OK then.

There is definitely a difference between self-serving statements about one's own intentions and beliefs, and what one's non-self-referential statements imply about those same intentions and beliefs.

For example, which words are truer - Bidet's self-serving statements that his policies haven't contributed to inflation, or his own statements of policy that he made, for example, when he was campaigning?