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« Reply #750 on: January 07, 2023, 01:58:38 am »
Classic Rock Album of the Day- Aerosmith- Toys in the Attic (1975)

Most rock fans have a particular favorite of theirs when it comes to the "Coming of Age Topic".  Yeah this was blaring on the 8 track and soundtrack during my youthful indoctrination into sin and debauchery.  Aerosmith has had a long and illusterous career.  It has been uneven ride, but there was a period of time in '74 and '75 with "Get Your Wings and this one, that there was no doubt, they were among the royalty of Rock bands at the time.

Toys is more consistent and less filler than Get Your Wings, but I will have to admit their remake of Train Kept a Rollin' is my favorite in their catalog. In any case, this is a fantastic album, and if you want one that best exemplies their talents as hard rockers.....   This is the one.

Side 1

Toys in the Attic-  Bombastic, Chaotic, and bad ass.  The band awesomely and innovatively syncs 2 guitars and a bass into one hook induced riff meister. Perry also does some fantastic solo work mid way 2

Uncle Salty- Boys take it down a couple of notches, in a semi-bluesy tune, that has some decent late song harmonies.  Not near the best on the LP, but not filler either. 7

Adam's Apple- Another Solid Rocker, but as far as overall quality with the full album, lower tier.  6

Walk this Way- Vocal gymastics from Tyler, in this very famous tune.  As far as I know this was the first sampled rock song by the Rap community 4

Big 10 Inch- Band decides to try without success to do a 40's swing number that is just mostly silly sexual innuendo.  Worst part of the LP- 9

Side 2


Sweet Emotion-  This one very song almost defines Rock in 1975.  Even the movie Dazed and Confused played it in its entirety.  For every BeeGees and KC and the Sunshine song, this one was there to counter the stench.  The reversed sounding percussion added to the bombing melody line are unique.  And are permanently ingrained into our pscyhe of the era. 1

No More No More-  After being winded after Sweet Emotion, this Boogie Woogie based keyboards perfectly augments this awesome hard rocking tune, just keeps the buzz going.  3

Round and Round- Another really good solid rocker. Really good Perry solo work, under almost a metal like base, and bass for that matter- 5

You See Me Crying-  All of you know that with a few exceptions, I am not into Rock Ballads.  Unfortunately this is what we get at the close of the LP.  There is some redeeming solo work by Perry at the end of the song.  But meh...  for the most part.  8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKEx9R0w5nI

Another great review!  I'd personally flip Toys in the Attic and Sweet Emotion, but I get that's a minority view.  That little extra bit of chaos just makes it more interesting to me.

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« Reply #751 on: January 07, 2023, 02:02:02 am »
Classic Rock Album of the Day-  Kiss- Destroyer (1976)

How about a curve ball?  Expect me to come out with a Kiss Album.  Well first the negatives...   Kiss were atrocious musicans.  Everything from 1973-1975 was a garage band crap. 10,000  other garage bands could have made any complation of drivel that came from this group early on.  So why was this one of the biggest bands in the Country in the mid 1970's.  They took the shock schtick mantle from Alice Cooper, and exploited it, like no had ever before. 

But....

The boys borrowed who I feel is the most underated Producers all time for their 1976 work.  Bob Ezrin.  Ezrin previously took an gawd awful "Prettys for You" era Alice Cooper, and made them respectable, on every angle of song writing, musicanship, with that flare for showmanship. The album Destroyer almost seems like a once in a lifetime creative epiphany for the band, and they put together this very solid effort.  As with all Kiss albums, there are massive amounts of innuendo, and lyrical sharing of the Rock and Roll lifestyle.

So with that, here is a producer inspired band, who infused some great production values, and backed off the amps from "11" to "10". And since this has some of the most innovative "hooks" (thanks to Ezrin), I'll spare the song details, and rank the tunes that aren't filler.

Side 1-

Detroit Rock City- 3
King of the Nightime World- 1
God of Thunder- 7

Side 2-

Flaming Youth- 5
Sweet Pain- 4
Shout it Out Loud- 2
Do You Love Me- 6



Filler -

Great Expectations (Side 1)

Beth (Side 2). Yes, this was their biggest hit on the LP, but is one awful syrupy crappy ballad.  Who bought this shit? 


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This was like the 3rd or 4th album I bought as a kid and, well ..I'd still like my money back.  Lol.  But probably the best of their output.

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« Reply #752 on: January 07, 2023, 02:06:24 am »
Classic Rock Album of the Day-  Deep Purple- Machine Head (1972)

Before Eddie Van Halen set the bar for being the ultimate Ax narcissist, there was Richie Blackmore.  Back in the day, there weren't many bands bigger than Deep Purple. In fact they held No. 2 billing in the 1974 California Jam behind ELP.  Very talented band that suffered from the iron fisted control of Blackmore.  That fist caused unfortuate lineup changes.  But this one in particular, was them at their pinnacle.
If he'd had any care for the legacy of this band, there wouldn't be any Rainbow tangents, or other temper tantrums.

Purple, still had to live in the shadow of Led Zeppelin, and from what I read at the time really grated on Richie Blackmore. What really makes me dig this era of Purple, was Jon Lord, (again IMO) behind Emerson and Wakeman, the greatest rock keyboardsman of all time.  And in this particular album he smokes it.    In any case, if you want an example of Deep Purple at its best, this is the trick.

Side 1

Highway Star-  Right out of the gates rocking- Great tune, with all members clicking on all cylinders. Jon Lord's (example 1) organ solo is fantiastic.  Blackmore does some nice solo work at the end too. 3

Maybe I'm a Leo- Funky Blusey number that if you put Morrison's voice on it, you might think it was the Doors. Another solid effort- 5

Pictures of Home- Another good one.  This one particular highlight's Paice's excellent percussion runs. I love how Giliam interphases sub-screams, sometimes in almost Robert Plant fashion.  Sometimes you wonder how much the Yardbirds/Zep truly influenced Deep Purple. Glover does a fine solo at the end too.  This is maybe the best tune on the LP showcasing the band's talents.  Not the best written one, but maybe the best technically 6

Never Before- Another foray into a funky-blusey arena. Might be the weakest of a super strong album.  And that is no knock on this tune, it rocks as does the others. - 7

Side 2-

Smoke on The Water-  Opening power riffs are the most recognizable in the entire history of Rock.  If you don't recognize those riffs or this song, you have probably wandered into the wrong thread.  Bad ass song, but like many in my opinion grate on you after hearing it 50,000 times.  Glover's thunderous bass work often gets overlooked in this mainstay of classic rock radio. 4

Lazy-  I mentioned earlier that I felt Jon Lord was the 3rd best in rock history on the ivories.  But given the fact the other two are better (Emerson and Wakeman) are highly prog driven, and peg out the pretentious factor.  Jon Lord in this particular effort made what I feel is the greatest straight out hammond organ driven blues rock in roll song in history. 2

Space Truckin'- Lost in the catalog of Machine behind SOTW, is what I feel is the gem of the entire career of Deep Purple. Song has aged great through the sands of time.  This one brings out the Beavis and Butthead in us.   YEAH!!! YEAH !!! YEAH!!! SPACE TRUCKING!!!!!! 1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMCVe0cs4DI

Damn you write good reviews.  This was my very first album.  I think I was in 7th grade or something when I got it.  I'd flip Highway Star and Lazy, but I can't argue with what you said about Jon Lord.  Blackmore gets the headlines, but that Glover/Paice rhythm section was bad-ass.  I also really liked Gillan's voice - couldn't stand Coverdale in comparison.

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« Reply #753 on: January 07, 2023, 02:19:41 am »
Nice review! Back in the Saddle is one of my favorite Aerosmith tunes.   Great mix of blues/rock with a hint of funk.

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« Reply #754 on: January 07, 2023, 02:23:56 am »
Classic Album of the Day-  Rush-2112


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPpQWyMjQ-s

There is no argument that Rush did not invent Prog Music.  However, in 1976 this trio of Canadians maybe gave the genre is most powerful redefinition in said genre's history.  Rush in their 1st 2  albums pretty much went with a Zep formula of hard rock tunes that provided some minor hits and a strong but finite following. In album No. 3 (early 1976 Caress of Steel) they jumped into the progressive forum but with dismal critical and commercial success.  Even us most ardent Rush fans have to admit that there is a hard and uneven  feel to the sound.  It seemed to channel Yes, but was forced and IMO mostly unlistenable (with a few exceptions).  BUT....  the seeds were planted of future greatness.

Rush documentaries have stated that this bomb put the band on notice, and that the next one would be a make or break LP.  The band thumbed their nose at the record companies, and under pressure created this masterpiece.  This album's legacy is remarkable, and in almost every compliation of greatest Prog albums of all time......   This one makes their Top 10 List.

Side 1-  2112- A 7 part (20 minute) masterpiece that Neil Peart composed lyrics from aspiration of Ayn Rand's Fountain Head and Anthem.  The song's theme is around a dystopian society that dictates all thought and actions of their minions.  A group of hierarchal Priests (The Solar Federation) control society, and expect the population to bow and obey.  The hero of the story accidentaly finds himself in something like a cave, and then finds an ancient  guitar.  He randomly strums, then tunes the device and suddenly gets excited with sounds it makes as music.  In his excitement he brings it to the attention of the Priests who poo-poo the concept as useless relics of an earlier era.  Our hero gets despondent, and it is perceived that this has triggerd a revolt.  The Solar Federation puts the thumb down on the insurgents, and extol at the end after the attack.....  THAT THEY ARE IN CONTROL......

Even back then I had a strong political bent, I considered this more like a Sci-Fi story than an important message.  2112 today has so much more meaning and value to us than ever.  The dystopia that Peart/ Rand warn are closer than we think.  Granted Peart softened his Libertarain stances later in life, after decades of left shaming from the communist music industry, and his own personal tragedies.

Musically, 2112 has such a extreme different sound that doesn't even remotely resemble the 1st three albums.  All 3 members hone their skills and are at least twice as good muscially on every angle.  This was also the point that Mr. Peart started getting noticed for his percussion prowess, and among the best at his trade.  Geddy Lee's voice seemed fuller and less shrill.  He no longer wanted to be a Robert Plant clone, and brought rangeand tone that augmented the music beautifully.  All 3 members are jaw dropping fabulous in working the tunes in a powerful manner.  If you have never listened to this album....  Do yourself a favor and at least listen to Side 1.

Side 2-

Where Side 1 was in Full Concept Mode, Side 2 focused on more traditonal fare.

Passage to Bangkok-  Rush had 19 albums, and this one single tune is the only one that was drug themed over that 40 year period.  Great  Lifeson solo at the end.  A fan favorite of the 420 set. 

The Twilight Zone-  Geddy  goes high octave on the band's tribute to this classic TV show.  Maybe the weakest tune on the LP,  but still a decent song.

Lessons-  Besides 2112, my favorite cut from the LP.  Beautiful chordal progressions, intertwined with alternating heavy riffs.  Peart's least complex part on the LP.  But the way Lee/Lifeson blend their parts?  Fantastic.  I know other Rush fans like this tune less, but in my book...   A pure gem.

Tears-  Was blown away how two consecutive songs so beautiful could be so different on a melodic level..  From Uplifting to meloncolly on the turn of a dime.  This is one of very few of what I would call "rock ballads" in Rush's extensive catalog.

Something For Nothing-  Just to make sure prior Rush fans were made happy, this tune was included.  It's style would make you swear it came from "Fly By Night". IMO- 3rd best song on the LP.  A very rocking tune, and an add to many Rush concert play lists in the late '70's.

The band always called this album their piviotal turning point in their career.  No longer did they have to bend to the whims of record company executives, and now had full artistic control over their musical content.  Without 2112 there would not be no Moving Pictures, Permanent Waves, or Farwell to Kings.



Love this album and review.  Only quibble is that I think you're misread the ending of 2112.  It isn't the bad guys/Solar Federation winning, but rather the the "good guys".  The voices at the end are those of the men who previously left Earth  ("they left our planet long ago, the elder race to learn and grow....)" finally returning to the planet.  They see what the Priests have done, and they put a stop to it.

Heard Peart confirm that once in an interview, which kind of makes the song even better because it is a hopeful ending.

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« Reply #755 on: January 07, 2023, 02:27:08 am »
This was my very first album.  I think I was in 7th grade or something when I got it.  I'd flip Highway Star and Lazy, but I can't argue with what you said about Jon Lord.  Blackmore gets the headlines, but that Glover/Paice rhythm section was bad-ass.  I also really liked Gillan's voice - couldn't stand Coverdale in comparison.

Spot on....

Can you imagine what the legacy of Deep Purple would look like if Blackmore could have kept this line up together.  In my earlier review, I wish I had mentioned the immediate addition of "Made in Japan".   I never got to see Purple in concert, but I put this work in 2nd place of all Live Rock albums behind  The Who's Live at Leeds. 

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« Reply #756 on: January 07, 2023, 02:37:50 am »
Love this album and review.  Only quibble is that I think you're misread the ending of 2112.  It isn't the bad guys/Solar Federation winning, but rather the the "good guys".  The voices at the end are those of the men who previously left Earth  ("they left our planet long ago, the elder race to learn and grow....)" finally returning to the planet.  They see what the Priests have done, and they put a stop to it.

Heard Peart confirm that once in an interview, which kind of makes the song even better because it is a hopeful ending.

I see your point, and I think you are right,   Maybe I am jaded by watching the comic version that has been attached to 2112 that seems to give it the more sinister ending .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5jwxrTqoEA

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« Reply #757 on: January 07, 2023, 08:57:45 am »
Styx songs are properly ranked in inverse order of Dennis DeYoung's presence.  One of the most annoying voices in "rock".  Glad to see he's rightly despised!

The only exception to that would be “Lady”.  He was pretty great on that song. Of course, Tommy Shaw’s background vocals sure helped.
You're everywhere I go, I am not alone
You call me as Your own to know You and be known.
You are holy!
And I fall down on my knees.
I can feel Your presence here with me.
Suddenly I'm lost within Your beauty,
Caught up in the wonder of Your touch.
Here in this moment I surrender to Your love.

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« Reply #758 on: January 07, 2023, 10:39:29 am »
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Love hearing opinions of classic rock from others.  Music was so special then.  There's about a 1000 I'd like to review if I had the time.  Additions are appreciated, so please partiicpate.

I'm basically a prog guy but still love a lot of classic rock.  Aerosmith, Zep, Bad Company, all that stuff.  Loved your Leftoverture review.

YouTube has been a gold mine for fans of older music that can really open some musical doors.  Been watching tons of interviews and some live performances I hadn't seen.  The interviews really are great when bands like Yes, etc. discuss how they got started on their particular paths, etc..

Never was a huge fan of Black Sabbath, but I saw a cut of War Pigs from a 1970 show in Paris that was just jaw-dropping, so I finally "got it" with them.

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« Reply #759 on: January 07, 2023, 11:06:33 am »
I'm basically a prog guy but still love a lot of classic rock.  Aerosmith, Zep, Bad Company, all that stuff.  Loved your Leftoverture review.

YouTube has been a gold mine for fans of older music that can really open some musical doors.  Been watching tons of interviews and some live performances I hadn't seen.  The interviews really are great when bands like Yes, etc. discuss how they got started on their particular paths, etc..

Never was a huge fan of Black Sabbath, but I saw a cut of War Pigs from a 1970 show in Paris that was just jaw-dropping, so I finally "got it" with them.

I know about what you mean about YT being a gold mine.  I've found so many fascinating things that just couldn't believe. 

And I don't think I have shared this before, but my most used YT item is a 6 hour (ad free  :cool:) 62 song compilation of 20 years of Live Rush. Has about 80% of that era's songs that matter.   I have probably put more hours on this one particular YT piece than any other.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYx5AOMtwU0


And to the topic of Black Sabbath, when I first heard them in 1970/71 , Paranoid and Master of Reality,  I was floored.  Got to remember back that before that era, pretty much everything was post Sgt. Pepper- Magical Mystery Tour clones and flowery, hippy stuff.


In that 1969-71 timeframe Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Alice Cooper, and to a degree Deep Purple brought joyful 110 db distorted, sternum and jaw vibrating rock that just was like nothing before.  I now agree that a bunch of it is outdated and inane, but deep in the crevices of this genre was the seeds of change that thankfully the '60's were over.  And this music defined it, maybe more than any other musical direction.
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« Reply #760 on: January 07, 2023, 01:20:55 pm »
Classic Rock Album of the Day- Frank Zappa- Apostrophe (') (1974)  ****

Really switching gears today, with a dose of the strange.  Zappa had a ton of albums during his life (62 studio albums) , and he was literally all over the map in theme, style, and overall music product.   He sure doesn't have that awfully wide of an audience base, but that was  the true nature of the Zappa persona.  He never cared what critics or even what his fans thought.  The thing is, Zappa may have been the one most intelligent person in Rock history. I've heard his IQ was 190, and if you ever listen to his numerous interviews, he sure drummed to a different drummer,...... but there was no doubting his brilliances, insight and passion on what he believed.  He and Gore Vidal may the most left of center feared debate opponents ever.

Additionally, though he may have been indifferent to critics and fans Zappa may have been the most versatile songwriters ever.  He mastered every genre, almost toying with each.  Jazz, rock, blues, soul, country....yeah it was all there in certain doses.  What I am covering is his best.  Not only commerically, but technically, and lyrically.    What puts the icing on the cake, is Zapp's dry wry wit that he does on all his work.....   This is the best. Absolutely hilarious at times.  For the uninitiated, and if you are limited on time....  Focus on Side 1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF9aJUePkNA

Side 1

Don't You Eat That Yellow Snow- Masterful time/signature changes and metering .  Funny as hell, and a slow rolling jazz ditty.  How often do you ever hear the term in music review of "jazz ditty". Yeah...  Zappa at his best, that blends smoothly into...... 1

Nanook Rubs it-  These first two can not be effectively decoupled.  Crazy wild ax and horn runs intermingled with Zappa at his best hilarity. Genius comic lyricsm   Great Googly Moogily!!!!!!!  1

Saint Alfonzo's Pancake Breakfast- First 2 nicely blends into this musical brilliant jazz infused laugh a minute tune.  Some of the solo runs are mind boggling .  Crazy good, and my favorite of highlighting the band as an emsemble. 2

Father O'Blivion- And again,,,,like  phasing in like a well oiled machine.   Blends in almost concept fashion, and a rocking clinic on musicanship. 3

Cosmik Debris- Zappa tones it down a tad into a bluesy jazzy number.  The soulful choir in chorus is a bizarre but masterful touch.  When you hear Zappa you just get amazed of how he comes up with this random stuff.  His guitar blues solo at the end, just mysteriously throws the listener into what the hell, where did that come from. 4


Side 2-

Excentrigual Forz-   More of Jazz/Rock fuse.  As I said earlier, I thought there was a big differnce in quality between side 1 and 2.  The opening number pretty much exemplifies it. Nothing bad as far as musicanship.  By the end you are thinking Zappa is telling a conceptual story.  That's all lost by here.  8

Apostrophe-  A good solid rocking tune, that doesn't really sound like Zappa, and more like other MOR bands of the era.  Still the best tune on this side. IMO. - 5

Uncle Remus- Zappa really didn't hit the mark too well on this rock /soul blend- No doubt solid musically, but not Zappa's best songwriting effort- 7

Stink-Foot- A bit of re-gurgitating of Side 1 style with rinky tink piano.  Does have some pretty amazing humour and guitar work. Tune may be about 2 minutes too long.   6

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« Reply #761 on: January 07, 2023, 02:10:51 pm »
My favorite cover of my favorite Zappa tune by one of my favorite musicians, Dawayne Bailey.


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You're everywhere I go, I am not alone
You call me as Your own to know You and be known.
You are holy!
And I fall down on my knees.
I can feel Your presence here with me.
Suddenly I'm lost within Your beauty,
Caught up in the wonder of Your touch.
Here in this moment I surrender to Your love.

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« Reply #762 on: January 08, 2023, 11:17:01 am »
Classic Rock Album of the Day- Smashing Pumpkins- Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (1995) *** 1/2

By the early 1990's, I tought  90+% of what I felt was great rock music was gone.  Maybe me and my tastes had become a dinosaur of a long gone relic. Musical tastes are all subjective, so who is to say whether I was right or wrong.   Grunge clones and Alpha Numeric Punk Bands had infilitrated the ubiqui-sphere, and M-tv had allowed that formula to sour to a stench of mediocrity.  In 1975, a visit to the record store?  I had to desperately pick between at least 20-30 LP's that I thought was worth my $6 investment.  1995?  It was to challenge to find 1 new one I liked.  By this time, I was mostly supplementing the  "old stuff".

It is not the intent to be preachy on this review, and what it is, is a lead in to a band that was an exception to those times.....   Smashing Pumpkins.  SP's time in the limelight was short.  They provided a unique sound that was a variable of fuzz metal, grunge and punk.  Front man, Billy Corgan basically provided 95% of the songwriting, songmaking, and inspiration.  Though SP still exist, the band as a serious rock act only existed 1991-2000, centering on 5 albums of varying quality.  I only recommend 2 of these-  Siamese Dream in 1993, and this work.

What makes Mellen Collie?.......   It is its special mystical dream like aura and strangeness  First, strange on its length.  It was a double-CD, and in its viny re-release, was a Triple album.  As far as I know this is the only studio rock album in this configuation.  All the rest are compliations or live.   Also strange on content.  There are plenty of heavy heavy tunes, and some into the foray of thrash metal.  There are also tons of softer crooned stuff for balance.  Some good, and a lot  of filler in that department   This is obviously Corgan's swan song, and he wears his lyrics of despair, anger, and disgust on his sleeves like a badge. 

And last, I sure as heck was not going to rank the tunes on  content.  This CD is 28 tracks and 2 hours long.  Instead I will rate them 1-5 asterisks.

Disc 1-

Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness-   In our minds, this beautiful piano instrumental opening was raising our eyebrows.  Lurking mellontron, gives an eery feel, and was a harbringer of what was to come with this classic.    ****

Tonight, Tonight- Great songwriting skills in force.  Drums rolling while more mello work.  Orchestrations augment very nicely. Corgan takes us on our first roller coaster ride of emotion.  In some ways I think the intent is a schizo theme.  I have not seen any Corgan interviews on the stylistic aspects, so, hell it might just be random- *****

Jelly Belly- Now, we are back into familar SP territory.  If Corgan hadn't given us our sternum buzzing fuzz, there might have been a coup.    Chaos Pumpkin , oh yeah....   *****

Zero- One of the best tunes on this work.  Instrumental airplay intertwined with some of Corgan's most depressing and dispair lyriscm.  There are some Sound effects to this day included that I can't figure.  Best guess?  I guess he is grinding his pick on the grooves of the strings.  In any case it just compounds the sounds of rage and anger. *****

Here is No Why- Middle of the Road stuff, nothing to highlight.  ***

Bullet With Butterfly Wings-  The best on the album.  I don't think I have ever heard a song that screams despair more than this one.  Even Metallica couldn't create a song this depressing.  Band alternates nicely with rolling rocking bass-lined fare, and breaks out in all hell breaks lose in alternate fashion.  This was the non-pop hit like that got the airplay. *****

To Forgive- Sad Sad....ballad.  I understand how it fits in, with the intent of the theme of the album, and if you like this aspect of their style, I know you'll love it.  I just don't   **

An Ode to no one-  Boom...   The band takes us back on the rollercoaster.  This is as good as any of the thrash-metal that would be prevalent in the industry in the 00's. ****

Love- May be the strangest tune on the album.  Corgan takes a fuzz distort-o approach on a slow rolling rocker.  This song almost has a "White Album" feel to it.  Thumbs up.   *****

Cupid DeLocke-  More strangeness.  Dreamy like, harp infused love ballad. Melodic lines are unique.  By this time, you can tell Corgan is showing off.  ****

Galapagos- Another low key ballad that misses the mark though. i guess you can't expect 28 gems. **

Muzzle-  Another one of my favorites on this one.  This one sounds like it could have come directly from Siamese Dream.  Perfect blend of  Corgan guitar buzzed/distortion, and solid supporting cast.  Love these rolling drum fills as they augment some of SP's best. *****

Porcelina of Vast Oceans- Not every ballad in this work is good.  Corgan comes across and whiney and sappy in this drop off. Some redemptive nice riffs at the end, but by 2/3 the song being over, ya lost me Billy. *

Take Me Down- See Porecelina above, but even worse.  Sadly Disc 1 ends with a whimper. *

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Where the Boys to Fear to Tread- Hell Yeah...  Back to rocking.  Nothing unique or special here, but at least Billy wasn't whining. ***

Bodies-  happy77. True story, and probably happened to others-  The first time I played this, the sound effects at the beginning of this song, sounded like my CD player was chewing up my CD. Thankfully, not.    Really good tune, and par for the Pumpkins on their other solid efforts on this album. And yes ,the despair continues.  Makes you wonder about Corgan.  ****

Thirty-Three- At first hearing it might appear to be another sappy ballad, but the way Corgan infuses the slide guitar and salt shaker percussion gives this a standing hair on your arm feel to this one.  SP knew how to do strange.  ***

In the Arms of Sleep- More strangeness-  Corgan takes almost a southern rocker motif on this one.  Complete with what appears to be dogs barking in the background.  Got to wonder what kind of drugs were being used in those sessions. ***

1979- The well known almost pop hit from this album-  One thing on this one from my perspective.  It was the cold slap in the face that rockers younger than I was, were doing songs about their reminiscent past. 1979?  Hell, I was already out of college by then.  Docked 1 star for making me feel old.  ***

Tales of Scorched Earth-  Song 100% delivers on its title. This song was way ahead of its time.  Slash-industrial-Speed Metal on an incredibly talented level.  Those future slashers had nothing talent wise on this classic.  Why this one doesn't get some classic air play, defies my logic.  *****

Thru the Eyes of Ruby-  Interesting, Corgan seems to have composed an almost '70's like AOR type tune that morphs into SP-ish Fuzz.  Nice touch.   ***

Stumbleine- Sappy ballad with no redeeming value- *

X.Y.U.- Ah, the roller coaster has take us back up the slope- By now, Corgan's anger has gotten me fatigued. ***

We Only Come Out at Night- Maybe the one strangest song ever made by the Smashing Pumpkins.  Back drop melody- A zither, single percussion?  A Tam. Piano is added for front sided melody.  Are the Pumpkins vampires?  Simple, lyrics, simple melody.   I don't know why, but this song has like a hypnotic hold, that I just dig.  *****

Beautiful- Ugh....  Billy, what was the point of this?  *

Lily- Ugh (part 2)- 25 tracks in, I guess they were desperate for filler. *

By Starlight- More weakness, but maybe not quite as bad as the prior 2, due to some spooky unique back fill in at the end. **

Farewell and Goodnight- Well this ends the rollercoaster.  Ending tune continues the ending theme of sap.  I understand that Corgan wanted to make an epic blended album that showcased all aspects of their talents.  The atypical SP heavy stuff was great and it worked.  The balladry OTOH, only hit the mark so 30% of the time.  But still, this is an album well worth a listen, if you have never heard it.  **


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« Reply #764 on: January 11, 2023, 05:44:44 pm »
RiP Jeff Beck (1944-2023).   Whe I list out the top 10 GOAT guitarist, depending on my mood, I always have hie somewhere in the 5-10 slot

This is my favorite of his work....

Line up on this recording?  Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, John Paul Jones, Keith Moon, and Nicky Hopkins.  How about that?


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« Reply #765 on: January 13, 2023, 08:11:03 pm »
Damn this is getting old....  another Obit.

RIP Robbie Bachman (1953-2023)  drummer of BTO, and brother to frontman, and guitarist of BTO, Randy Bachman

Recommend the 2nd through the 4th albums ('73-'75) for their best fare.

Though Taking Care of Business is their most recognizable, and biggest overall fan favorite, my personal favorite is this one from BTO II


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A tribute to Robbie Bachman


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« Reply #767 on: January 13, 2023, 11:41:46 pm »
Damn this is getting old....  another Obit.

RIP Robbie Bachman (1953-2023)  drummer of BTO, and brother to frontman, and guitarist of BTO, Randy Bachman

Recommend the 2nd through the 4th albums ('73-'75) for their best fare.

Though Taking Care of Business is their most recognizable, and biggest overall fan favorite, my personal favorite is this one from BTO II


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQDsmJ7_gBg

“Let It Ride” is in my Top 10. Maybe even Top 5. It’s a flat-out great song.
You're everywhere I go, I am not alone
You call me as Your own to know You and be known.
You are holy!
And I fall down on my knees.
I can feel Your presence here with me.
Suddenly I'm lost within Your beauty,
Caught up in the wonder of Your touch.
Here in this moment I surrender to Your love.

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« Reply #768 on: January 14, 2023, 12:20:17 am »
“Let It Ride” is in my Top 10. Maybe even Top 5. It’s a flat-out great song.

Great classic rock song.

I remember when my older brother got his BTO albums through the Columbia Record and Tape Club.  12 albums for only a dime, or whatever it was back then.  Brought me up on that stuff!

However, a buddy of mine once referred to them as "Bachman-Turner Overweight", and I've never been able to get that out of my head since.  Lol.

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« Reply #769 on: January 14, 2023, 09:49:59 am »


However, a buddy of mine once referred to them as "Bachman-Turner Overweight", and I've never been able to get that out of my head since.  Lol.

Yep, remember that.

I believe that term was coined by either Circus or Rolling Stone Magazine soon after II was released with huge success.  I think the most prehistoric of "fat shaming" was a dig at Bachman for helping disband "The Guess Who".  The rock critics back in the day were the most left wing of them all.  And killing a band who took the communist concepted "Share the Land" (The Guess Who) to "Taking Care of Business (BTO) was blasphemy in their eyes.

The critics hated them, for no really good reason.
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« Reply #770 on: January 14, 2023, 10:04:41 am »
This might be the ultimate 4 chorded hooked rock and roll song ever made in that era.  So simple, so lyrically devoid, so uncomplex of substance, but so damned good......  it's like the Ramones play Happy Sabbath


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« Reply #771 on: January 14, 2023, 10:40:25 am »
Would have loved to have seen this....

Hard to believe half of them are dead now.


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« Reply #772 on: January 15, 2023, 12:20:13 am »
This might be the ultimate 4 chorded hooked rock and roll song ever made in that era.  So simple, so lyrically devoid, so uncomplex of substance, but so damned good......  it's like the Ramones play Happy Sabbath


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHyrIe69L50

I'm going to have to split with you on that one.  Never really liked it, and skipped it on the record if I was close enough to move the stylus.  Something like "Let it Ride" has that driving rhythm that kind of doesn't stop.  So did Takin' Care of Business and some others.  That rhythmic, boogie-band energy is the type of thing that can make a simple song into a very good song.   Kind of like the Doobies did masterfully before they made the mistake of handing the keys to that ultra-smooth, easy-listening douchnozzle Michael McDonald.  Okay, sorry I'm so opinionated on that.  The McDonald-era Doobie are on my Yacht Rock hate list, and I'm irrational when it comes to that.  And rather unpleasant.  lol.

Anyway, on Hey You, after the opening -- which sounds like they just re-used the (very good) opening to "Let it Ride" with some minor changes -- that verse ("Hey you, you say you wanna change the world....") just slows down and sucks all the energy out of the song, and it sounds really kind of plodding to me.  No energy.  Good when you get to the choruses, but I can't listen to the verses.

But, I'm an excessively picky prog guy, so everything I say needs to be heavily discounted.
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« Reply #773 on: January 15, 2023, 02:04:28 am »
I'm going to have to split with you on that one.  Never really liked it, and skipped it on the record if I was close enough to move the stylus.  Something like "Let it Ride" has that driving rhythm that kind of doesn't stop.  So did Takin' Care of Business and some others.  That rhythmic, boogie-band energy is the type of thing that can make a simple song into a very good song.   Kind of like the Doobies did masterfully before they made the mistake of handing the keys to that ultra-smooth, easy-listening douchnozzle Michael McDonald.  Okay, sorry I'm so opinionated on that.  The McDonald-era Doobie are on my Yacht Rock hate list, and I'm irrational when it comes to that.  And rather unpleasant.  lol.

Anyway, on Hey You, after the opening -- which sounds like they just re-used the (very good) opening to "Let it Ride" with some minor changes -- that verse ("Hey you, you say you wanna change the world....") just slows down and sucks all the energy out of the song, and it sounds really kind of plodding to me.  No energy.  Good when you get to the choruses, but I can't listen to the verses.

But, I'm an excessively picky prog guy, so everything I say needs to be heavily discounted.

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Well put...  It's maybe the "inane' aspects of the tune that in some ways appeals.  Kind of like in my earlier  "Ramones" analogy. In many ways like you, I am the ultimate prog-head.  Rush is my favorite band, and bands like them, ELP, and Yes are purveyors of  explosions of complexity and musicanship that nicely overwhelm the musical pallet.  There is also a part of me that is fascinated by the ability to take the most simple, repetitive, and ridiculous product and give it substance and catchy structure.

A really good example is 15th-early 17th Century Medieval music.  The tunes of the day were very configured proximally chromatically, and predicitve in form.  They generally almost stoically resided in singular major Key, and within one octave.  Still, when I hear them, they are very pleasant and are damned dateable, but still so powerful when put in orchestral form.  It amazes me that the great composers of that era compared to tangent of Mozart and Beethoven are almost like comparing Early Punk with Prog.  Here is a good example...  A Praetorius composition from 1620.


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« Reply #774 on: January 16, 2023, 02:00:37 pm »
@Maj. Bill Martin

Well put...  It's maybe the "inane' aspects of the tune that in some ways appeals.  Kind of like in my earlier  "Ramones" analogy. In many ways like you, I am the ultimate prog-head.  Rush is my favorite band, and bands like them, ELP, and Yes are purveyors of  explosions of complexity and musicanship that nicely overwhelm the musical pallet.  There is also a part of me that is fascinated by the ability to take the most simple, repetitive, and ridiculous product and give it substance and catchy structure.

A really good example is 15th-early 17th Century Medieval music.  The tunes of the day were very configured proximally chromatically, and predicitve in form.  They generally almost stoically resided in singular major Key, and within one octave.  Still, when I hear them, they are very pleasant and are damned dateable, but still so powerful when put in orchestral form.  It amazes me that the great composers of that era compared to tangent of Mozart and Beethoven are almost like comparing Early Punk with Prog.  Here is a good example...  A Praetorius composition from 1620.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugabxslZqNk&list=PLk-IgAEKYl2yIqWQs4sCYcMtOxZ1t9_Ks&index=4

Interesting stuff.  It's instrumentation we're not used to hearing, and then even within the limited key, there is at least some contra-melody in there to keep it interesting at least for a bit.

I'd imagine it would lose some of its appeal if you listened to a lot of it, which is probably why more complex stuff developed.

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« Reply #775 on: January 16, 2023, 04:25:50 pm »
Interesting stuff.  It's instrumentation we're not used to hearing, and then even within the limited key, there is at least some contra-melody in there to keep it interesting at least for a bit.

I'd imagine it would lose some of its appeal if you listened to a lot of it, which is probably why more complex stuff developed.


Yes indeed,  But instead of complexity, musical styles seem to ebb and flow with mood of the listener.  Perhaps the apex of all music history is the late 18th Century, early 19th Century.  Almost in tandem Mozart and Beethoven created almost unversially acclaimed,  the greatest music ever composed from about 1770-1827. 

Mozart strangely led most of his life in anonymity, while Beethoven was a rock star of his era.  But both in most of the 1st half 1th century dominated orchestra and concert hall agendas.  But by the later half of the 19th century, you saw a signifcantly more focus of compostion toward folk and ethnic tinged works.  Offenbach's Orpheus "Can Can" (1858)  is just one example.  One can not hear that piece without thinking France. That transveresed elsewhere in Europe with other composers. (Sans. Schultz)

And again, I think the simplyfying of the orchestra sounds were more around rebuking the central European Pomp, Pretentious, and ostentation of that era.

Fast foward to our lifetimes, we saw very complex and intricate jazz turn into depression era folk, we saw prog art rock arguably devolve to punk.  And ultimately everything into what may be the only music ever of no redeeming quality......  Rap.
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« Reply #776 on: January 19, 2023, 10:11:22 am »
Classic Rock Album of the Day- Emerson Lake and Palmer- Pictures at an Exhibition (1971) ****

From the last few posts, you might have noticed that my guilty musical pleasure is Classical Music.  Which honestly augments well with my favorite musical genre, Prog Rock.  No one in the prog area did classical better than ELP.  And though no one can claim ELP was the greatest band of all time, there can be arguments made that as a conglomerate they were the greatest musicans of all.

ELP has a limited fan base due to the their tendency to be ostentatious in the nature of the complexity of their music, or their tendency of focusing on the widzardry rather than content.  Admittedly more than 75% of Tarkus was unlistenable as mumble jumble synthezizer goobly goop.  Incredible musicanship, but head ache inducing.  Pass on that particular album unless you area hard core ELP fan.

I am including this one for the fact that this is the one single album that introduced me to the Prog genre.  And what Keith Emerson did in his interpreation of this Mussgorsky 19th Century classic is amazing.  All tracks ex. 6, 12, and 13 are from the classical piece.
What I particularly love about this album is Emerson infusion of Church Organ.  Which, by the way when used in the best acoustic conditons and setting is the most beautiful, hair raising, and chlling musical sound on earth.

Saddens be that 2/3 of this band are dead, but their legacy and greatness lives forever in the albums like this one, their Self Titled, and Brain Salad Surgery.  Enjoy......


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« Reply #777 on: January 19, 2023, 10:56:32 am »
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« Reply #778 on: January 19, 2023, 03:50:09 pm »
Just out of curiosity, what is the opinion of the "other" ELP: Emerson, Lake and Powell?

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« Reply #779 on: January 19, 2023, 04:23:30 pm »
Just out of curiosity, what is the opinion of the "other" ELP: Emerson, Lake and Powell?

Had honestly about forgoten about this iteneration of ELP.

Powell, (just IMO) was more a session man, than a core player.  Still that does not undersocre a sigificant resume that included many huge acts of the time.  Then add the fact Palmer was (again, my opinion) a top 4 rock drummer of all time that is included in the list with Peart, Bohnam, and Moon.   Still, I do understand that there are many out there who look at Cozy Powell as a technical equal.

OTOH, Powell's style typically fit better with a hard rock sound than prog.  It all boils down to taste.

As far as comparing the embodied work, I had to look it up, found that he Powell version of ELP only had one studio LP in 1986.  I remember listening to it long long ago, and loved Emerson's rendition of Gustav's Planets.  But overall the feel of the LP was weak vs. earlier Emerson Lake and Palmer classics.  Not Emerson's best songwriting effort.
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« Reply #780 on: January 19, 2023, 04:44:40 pm »
Had honestly about forgoten about this iteneration of ELP.

Powell, (just IMO) was more a session man, than a core player.  Still that does not undersocre a sigificant resume that included many huge acts of the time.  Then add the fact Palmer was (again, my opinion) a top 4 rock drummer of all time that is included in the list with Peart, Bohnam, and Moon.   Still, I do understand that there are many out there who look at Cozy Powell as a technical equal.

OTOH, Powell's style typically fit better with a hard rock sound than prog.  It all boils down to taste.

As far as comparing the embodied work, I had to look it up, found that he Powell version of ELP only had one studio LP in 1986.  I remember listening to it long long ago, and loved Emerson's rendition of Gustav's Planets.  But overall the feel of the LP was weak vs. earlier Emerson Lake and Palmer classics.  Not Emerson's best songwriting effort.


Thanks for your reply @catfish1957 . You are very knowledgeable. I like both. But to me, at least, the Powell inclusion had a more "pop" sound. But...they did a bang up job f 8 Miles High. The Palmer version was far more ethereal for the most part.

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« Reply #781 on: January 19, 2023, 07:19:25 pm »
RIP David Crosby (1941-2023) died today at age 81.

Member of the Byrds (early) and later Crosby Stills, Nash, (And Young) were a huge folk/rock presence in the late 1960's that were characterized by finely crafted harmonies and the formula hippy themes of the day.  Upper bill and draw at Monterry, Woodstock and other festivals. 

From our sde of the pond, he definitely was a pioneer in the rock era.

From a musical perspective (non-lyric) this is probably his best and well known contribution....


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« Reply #782 on: January 19, 2023, 08:57:24 pm »
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« Reply #783 on: January 19, 2023, 09:18:57 pm »

Thanks for your reply @catfish1957 . You are very knowledgeable. I like both. But to me, at least, the Powell inclusion had a more "pop" sound. But...they did a bang up job f 8 Miles High. The Palmer version was far more ethereal for the most part.


@berdie

Wow...

How danged spooky is that.  You mentioning a song by Crosby and the Byrds before it is announced Crosby died.

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« Reply #784 on: January 20, 2023, 02:16:33 am »
Classic Rock Album of the Day- Jethro Tull- Aqualung- (1971). *** 1/2

Got a little inspiration the other day giving thought to how  Medevial music morphed and influenced latter day Baroque and Classical Periods, and ulitmately modern  music.    There really is only one rock band fits the bill and gives  homage to music's ancient roots.  That being Jethro Tull.  Early classical pre-Baroque obviously did not have the meter, and elements of this prog band, but here its so beautfully tinged that there is no mistaking  band leader Ian Anderson's intent. 

Did not realize that outside Anderson JT, had a very turbulant amount of personnel changes through their history which before the Casino Circuit variety (now) recorded basically 1967-2012.  And their true hay day was generally 1970-1980.   24 different players have been members on the band with Anderson, being the only constant. That flux has resulted in only those '70's classics only be desirable, except for the most rabit JT fan.  Again, I know some hard core fans of this band, and they are proably throwing darts at me right now.

It was a tough choice for me to pick which album I wanted to revirew.  For pure jam, and musicanship, Thick as a Brick (1972)  is the obvious choice.  But the hell breaking prog blast is truly lacking of hook, so the enjoyment is more aligned toward the fantastic solos and genre bending magic that happens.  Anderson splits hairs between Olde English Folk, and Jazz, then rock in mind blowing succession.   I liken Thick to Tarkus, minus the insane chaos.  Like Tarkus which was produced about the same time, are masterful muscians on top of their craft.  Just more madness to the method.. 

So instead, I'll go with the familar territory and popular choice of fans, Aqualung. Aqualung a year earlier, has more structure,  is more rocking, and had a few hits that most of us will easily recognize from the time.  In both, Anderson's flute work is spectacular.  I am not a fan of the  Flute, in Rock, but as far as JT is concerned it is what makes them unique.    This album is much easier to review, due to tanglible structure, vs. Thick which is like trying to critique a 20 minute of a Beethoven sonata, with all the hills and valleys.   So here goes....

Side 1-

Aqualung- Title track, and opens with one of the more recognizable opening riffs of the decade beside Smoke on the Water- Bizarre topic of the saga of a creepy old pedophile.  Kind of like a Biden troll I guess. Song nicley alternates between hav riffed matter, to bottom barrel-ish sounding folk.  Nice solo work at the end by entire band in great jam fashion.  Definitely one of my favorites by the band- 2

Cross Eyed any- Mysterious with wavering flute and strings, that progresses into a fabulous hooked rocker.  Actually heard this one on a classic rock station the other day.   Jethro Tulls Lives!!!! 4

Cheap Day Return- Short acoustical olde English numbered ditty-  Okay 9

Mother Goose- Anderson really turns on the renaissance aspect of the catalog.  This tune would feel right  at home in 1500.  Works well though. 6

Wond'ring Out Loud- Another folk acoustical tune.  How the band works the strings (or innovative mellotron)  in, makes its very pleasing. 7

Up to Me- Grabs you from iconic starting laugh.  This searing rocker adds a hook that is effectively added up later and with variation later in the LP, in unforgettable fahion. 5

Side 2-

My God- Almost a blues number.  Almost a jazz number, then almost a rocker.  Anderson's schizophrenic styles intertwining are a fascinating journey into a really talented and intelligent band.  Andreson's best flute solo on the LP.  8

Hymn 43- Man, I love this tune- Epic, unique bass/drum line.  Majestic, and maybe the most prog feeling, in style and delivery. Highly identifiable due to air play, and if  any have knowledge of Tull, you will remember it well- 1

Slipstream- Another brieg folky olde-English that doesn't quite work into the equation as well.  I don't claim to understand the concept in this particular part.  I'll defer that  to the  hard core fans.  11

Locomotive Breath- 3rd highly identifiable tune on this LP , that flat out rocks.  Dueling guitar and flute is legendary on this one.
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Wind Up-  A mostly rocking end, but suprisingly weak versus the balance of what is a classic prog concept album, during the infancy of the genre. 10



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« Reply #785 on: January 20, 2023, 09:13:48 am »
Aqualung - Live '77


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« Reply #786 on: January 20, 2023, 06:42:44 pm »
Classic Rock Album of the Day- Emerson Lake and Palmer- Pictures at an Exhibition (1971)

From the last few posts, you might have noticed that my guilty musical pleasure is Classical Music.  Which honestly augments well with my favorite musical genre, Prog Rock.  No one in the prog area did classical better than ELP.  And though no one can claim ELP was the greatest band of all time, there can be arguments made that as a conglomerate they were the greatest musicans of all.

ELP has a limited fan base due to the their tendency to be ostentatious in the nature of the complexity of their music, or their tendency of focusing on the widzardry rather than content.  Admittedly more than 75% of Tarkus was unlistenable as mumble jumble synthezizer goobly goop.  Incredible musicanship, but head ache inducing.  Pass on that particular album unless you area hard core ELP fan.

I am including this one for the fact that this is the one single album that introduced me to the Prog genre.  And what Keith Emerson did in his interpreation of this Mussgorsky 19th Century classic is amazing.  All tracks ex. 6, 12, and 13 are from the classical piece.
What I particularly love about this album is Emerson infusion of Church Organ.  Which, by the way when used in the best acoustic conditons and setting is the most beautiful, hair raising, and chlling musical sound on earth.

Saddens be that 2/3 of this band are dead, but their legacy and greatness lives forever in the albums like this one, their Self Titled, and Brain Salad Surgery.  Enjoy......


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Ha!  A friend introducing me to Tarkus is what got me into prog rock. 

I've gone back and forth on Pictures.   Some of it, like "The Gnome", is kind of Tarkus-esque in terms of that kind of noodling-around sound.  But other parts are just great - Great Gate of Kiev in particular really works - fantastic vocals by Lake on that one.

ELP was my favorite band for awhile, then I kind of drifted into King Crimson, then Yes, Genesis, etc..  Lots of cross-pollination between those bands.

I've heard criticisms from drummers that Palmer is kind of "sloppy", but I will say that he did the best drum solos I've ever seen, and it wasn't particularly close.  Incredie showman .
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« Reply #787 on: January 20, 2023, 06:47:25 pm »
Aqualung is a great album.  I actually liked the band better live - they were heavier than on the albums and could really rock out.

I go hot and cold on Ian Anderson's vocals.  I don't like vocal "runs", where someone fits 5 notes into a single syllable, and Anderson goes overboard with that sometimes.  When he sings more "straight", he has a really good baritone voice.

You mentioned orchestral rock.  Renaissance did that fairly well also, and did a fair number of classical adaptations.   Annie Haslam's vocal range was ridiculous, and there was some really good piano/bass work in the band itself, though they did a lot of concerts with orchestra accompaniment.
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« Reply #788 on: January 20, 2023, 11:19:51 pm »
Aqualung is a great album.  I actually liked the band better live - they were heavier than on the albums and could really rock out.

I go hot and cold on Ian Anderson's vocals.  I don't like vocal "runs", where someone fits 5 notes into a single syllable, and Anderson goes overboard with that sometimes.  When he sings more "straight", he has a really good baritone voice.

You mentioned orchestral rock.  Renaissance did that fairly well also, and did a fair number of classical adaptations.   Annie Haslam's vocal range was ridiculous, and there was some really good piano/bass work in the band itself, though they did a lot of concerts with orchestra accompaniment.

Renaissance?  Wow Bill, I haven't heard that band mentioned in decades.  I had a few friends that were into them, just as Tull.  In style, they kind of go hand in hand.  I am going back to listen to them to see what I remember about them. 

What is your preference between Aqualung and Thick as a Brick.  I almost chose Thick as a Brick to review, but was at kind of at loss to explain the dynamics of the work.  Artistically, its superior, but Aqualung as a whole is a better listen, and I thought more here would remember the LP better.
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« Reply #789 on: January 20, 2023, 11:32:08 pm »
Ha!  A friend introducing me to Tarkus is what got me into prog rock. 

I've gone back and forth on Pictures.   Some of it, like "The Gnome", is kind of Tarkus-esque in terms of that kind of noodling-around sound.  But other parts are just great - Great Gate of Kiev in particular really works - fantastic vocals by Lake on that one.

ELP was my favorite band for awhile, then I kind of drifted into King Crimson, then Yes, Genesis, etc..  Lots of cross-pollination between those bands.

I've heard criticisms from drummers that Palmer is kind of "sloppy", but I will say that he did the best drum solos I've ever seen, and it wasn't particularly close.  Incredie showman .

If you are into Tarkus, you are truly a first rate ELP fan.  I have often said that Tarkus as a musical work, is the most complex and voluminous work ever done in the history of rock.  Emerson's keyboard work as far as "quickness" and "focused" was at its pinnacle.  And honestly, I don't see how anyone in the modern era could do it live, considering Emerson have the habit of accerlating the pace of his playing as the tune progressed.  But you got to admit....  Tarkus sure didn't have a commerical focus.

I haven't heard too many comments around Palmer being sloppy.  I know it is subjective, but I would rank him about 4th all time of rock drummers, behind (in no certain order) Peart, Bonham, and Moon.  One thing about Palmer that kind of escapes critics, is that if there was a sports like statistic  on drum stick head speed, I'd bet Carl Palmer would topping that list.  His liver performance at the California Jam in 1974 was incredible.  Solo starts about the 2:45 mark. But.... I do have to admit, BSS is my favorite LP of the band.


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« Reply #790 on: January 21, 2023, 06:45:06 pm »
Renaissance?  Wow Bill, I haven't heard that band mentioned in decades.  I had a few friends that were into them, just as Tull.  In style, they kind of go hand in hand.  I am going back to listen to them to see what I remember about them. 

What is your preference between Aqualung and Thick as a Brick.  I almost chose to review, but was at kind of at loss to explain the dynamics of the work.  Artistically, its superior, but Aqualung as a whole is a better listen, and I thought more here would remember the LP better.


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She had a phenomenal voice, but it sometimes sounded too sanitized to me.

I agree with you on those two Tull albums.  I think Thick as a Brick is probably a bit more polished, but Aqualung has some better singles and rocks more.



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« Reply #791 on: January 21, 2023, 06:51:49 pm »
If you are into Tarkus, you are truly a first rate ELP fan.  I have often said that Tarkus as a musical work, is the most complex and voluminous work ever done in the history of rock.  Emerson's keyboard work as far as "quickness" and "focused" was at its pinnacle.  And honestly, I don't see how anyone in the modern era could do it live, considering Emerson have the habit of accerlating the pace of his playing as the tune progressed.  But you got to admit....  Tarkus sure didn't have a commerical focus.

I haven't heard too many comments around Palmer being sloppy.  I know it is subjective, but I would rank him about 4th all time of rock drummers, behind (in no certain order) Peart, Bonham, and Moon.  One thing about Palmer that kind of escapes critics, is that if there was a sports like statistic  on drum stick head speed, I'd bet Carl Palmer would topping that list.  His liver performance at the California Jam in 1974 was incredible.  Solo starts about the 2:45 mark. But.... I do have to admit, BSS is my favorite LP of the band.


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Tarkus clearly wasn't commercial sounding...but it went to No. 1 in the U.K. -- the only ELP album ever to do that -- and to No. 9 in the U.S..  In retrospect, that seems nuts.  But I think music fans in general were more adventurous back then.  No way DSOTM would have the same impact if it was released today.

I think Palmer wasn't the greatest at keeping a consistent tempo.  He was great at fills, and was very aggressive.  But I don't think he was great at hitting and staying in a "pocket", and doesn't really groove as well as someone like Phil Collins, and obviously not like Bonham or Peart.  Even with Asia, he ended up behind quite often despite obviously having the ability to play faster.  Didn't help with ELP that, as you said, Emerson wasn't always the greatest at keeping tempo either.  But on the flip side, that's kind of what happens when you're playing balls-out most of the time.  Those guys never took the easy way out, which is part of their appeal.  That clip from the California Jam kind of makes the point.  I think Palmer was the greatest "rock" drum soloist...but of course, doing a solo means that he was keeping his own time and not having to work within the band.

My opinion on Collins has risen over time.  He was just really good at juggling complex time signatures and then popping right back dead on the main rhythm.  Some of those older Genesis tunes are tough because of the way Gabriel's voice kind of floated around the music sometimes, but Phil kept them together.  Still a Bruford fan, but Collins gets overlooked sometimes as a pure drummer because of going pop and becoming a vocalist.

When you get up in the rarified air of great drummers, it's hard to rank them because they all bring something the others don't.   I'd put Palmer up there as a soloist, and Bonham up there to the extent you don't ask him to do odd time signatures,, which he disliked.  His work on Achilles Last Stand is just insane -- not sure anyone else could have done that.  Collins can play pretty much anything, but he isn't as inventive as Bruford, or as powerful as Bonham or Palmer.   And nobody keeps things tighter than Peart, although I couldn't see him doing some of the stuff Collins and particularly Bruford did.  But Bruford isn't really that good at playing something that isn't his own.  And Moon brings a violent unpredictability that is pretty unique.

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« Reply #792 on: January 22, 2023, 11:27:11 am »
Classic Rock Album of the Day - Blink 182- Enema of the State- (1999) *** 1/2

I Bet no one expected to see this one coming.  And in fact this one is a few years I'd ever cover short of the "25 year" criteria for Classic Rock.  But my children knew I would be "open minded" with their music to give an honest opinion of their merit.  Yeah, no doubt rock as form degraded in my opinion as a whole by 1999, but that didn't mean there weren't some few gems out there that were excellent.

One of those exceptions is who I felt was the best of those Alpha Numeric wave of punk bands that dominated the airwaves mostly between 1995-2005.  Blink 182 sure was one of those bands.  Of course punk never pretended to be high brow or  the highest level of musicianship.  Still, this band, and this particular album embodies the best elements of The Ramones......   Exploit the 3 chord, catchy tunes, and hilarity in their lyrics.  BUT...  there is one point, and I wouldn't call it a schtick, but this band has an insanely good drummer.  The guy's name is Travis Barker, and there is a bombastic level of energy not seen since Moon. The man is a living breathing 16th note measure filling percussive monster.  And there is a great deal of it that isn't filled with cymbal crashing.  Barker almost as if in a seldom the case, is the lead instrument for the band.  Seems the singing and guitars are the accompaniment,  in a manner not seen since Rush.  I better stop with comparisons to the Who and Rush, before I am carted off as crazy  :silly:  No these guys are not iconic British Invaders nor, Canadian Prog Masters.......   But they are really fun, and talented.  I can imagine with this band, a 90 minute set would be like running a marathon, with they energy they have to expound
 
In a crude way this is almost a concept album around the social and relationship angst and pressures of the teen years of a generation in the cusp of a new technological age.  Think about it, this is music about  the last generation of kids who in their teen years did not have their thumbs surgically attached to their phones.   I know many of you might turn this off just because of the era, and I don't blame you considering most else made during that time was shitty.  But if can go into this one with an open mind, you'll find you'll enjoy the heck out of it, and get some laughs too.   What also especially inpresses me with this CD (obviously never an LP) was the utter lack of filler.  Almost every tune is listenable.

And a warning, like a lot of music of this day, there's a lot of sexual content, language and adult themed lyrics. 

I'm also including a link to the lyrics so you can enjoy the hilarity while listening.

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1- Dump Weed- Huge laughs right out of the gate, in this what the woke would now call a "sexist romp".   Bad Ass drumming (as there is in the next 11 songs). Even in 1999, can you imagine the response if you told the ladies.....  "I need a Girl that I can train"?  But if you saw some of these guys in their videos, they are a hoot, and might not the best guys to give you advice on "relationships". Can't complete this one's review without giving props to the innovative half beat off percussion. 2

2. Don't Leave Me.  More relationship advise from the boys. I about died laughing when I first heard this one.  The point where it is asked almost in 3rd party...   "One More Time with feeling" in the chorus?  5

3. Aliens Exist- Fantastic tune around UFO's and Aliens.  No doubt these guys were fans of Mulder and Scully in the day. Wonder what the 12 Majestic Lies were?  6

4. Going Away to College- Another romp of half beats and wonderful lyrics.  Except these are beautiful and from the heart.  Even almost 50 years ago, the phenomenon of leavng high school sweethearts after graduation remains a common theme among the ages  and socially difficult event.  It's not these guys are cerebral, but they do have a great finger on the pulse on the teenage psyche. 8

5. What's My Age-  The funniest cut of maybe the funniest rock albums I've heard, that focuses on the state of maturity of guys say 15-25.  Best punk/rockish jam of the entire album in last 30 seconds too.  Great tune, don't forget these are only 3 guys doing this. 3

6. Dysentary Gary- Maybe the weakest cut on the Album.  Anger on this one didn't age well. 12

7. Adam's Song-  KABOOM-  Whaaaaaaat?  Powerful and heartfelt song on teenage suicide?  This is written and sung with such conviction.   Song has a very very very sad and poignant feel and point to it.  As a parent, if this doesn't make you go out of your way to hug your teen aged kids, nothing will.  Incredibly powerful and cerebral on an emotional level.  A very strange and powerful contrast to the rest of the social commentary on Enema. 1

8. All the Small Things-  This was (is?) Blink's most recognizable number as a number, and considered the hit on the album.  And maybe the only song on the piece that has a "present day" hint in their day to day lives.  Kind of like a concept respite. Best hooks, to say for sure too.  Seems they needed a pop sound to augment the rest.  They infuse a little maybe sexual strangeness into it, but I'll leave that to your imaginaton. 4

9. The Party Song- Interesting perspective of a late '90's party.  Incredible syncopative meter in the song. Also funny as hell.  After hearing this song, I hadn't realized and watching my kid's school, is how aggressive girls of the time had become sexually. 9

10. Mutt- A lower tier cut, on an otherwise fantastic album. 11

11. Wendy Clear- A tick above the last one, but not the best.  nice bass line, and another tune that took a hiatus from the concept with a present day perspective from them.   Which was too bad since I had wished tgat they had stuck with the formula through out. 10

12. Anthem- Strong finish, with the band finishing with a generational spat ditty. Nicely musically crafted too, almost including some chordal fill. 7

Lyrics--------->  https://genius.com/albums/Blink-182/Enema-of-the-state


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« Reply #793 on: January 22, 2023, 01:17:16 pm »
I started preparing these list in July 1973, then December 1973 and pretty much monthly afterwards for several years....

July 1973
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« Reply #794 on: January 24, 2023, 12:07:15 pm »
Classic Rock Album of the Day- The Who- Tommy (1969) **** 1/2

First a little back story of why this LP is so near and dear to my heart.  When I took College Sophomore English Literature, I had maybe the coolest College Professor ever.  He was citing existentialistic authors in the same vein as the Byrds, The Beatles, The Stones, and The Who.  One exercise in the class was an interpretive composition of The Eagles "The Last Resort" from Hotel California. You were allowed to hear the song twice in class, and then prepare your write up.  He also provided  an opportunity for those who choose to skip a book, to watch Tommy (The Movie) and provide the same.  I was never one to have patience to be a volumnous reader, so I jumped at the opportunity.

Needess to say, The Movie sucked, as big acts like Tina Turner and Elton John , who were great at their own genre did not realy give the service to  Townsend's work. OTOH, I did think Clapton being the cult priest was pretty amazing.   But from substance, at least the movie provided at least a glimpse at what and how Pete Townsend saw his work.  Tommy  was groundbreaking. It was the first true Rock Opera.

Most of the movie felt force fed.  I have always believed that Townsend never intended the Opera to be cramped into a 2 hour movie.  Additonally to being  forced feeling, it was made it feel too campy.  And even though Daltery had the aura to be the perfect "Tommy" in this movie, he sure wasn't any actor.  Still he deserves the props tat he sang the parts to perfection though.    But back to the review...... Tommy was a double album with 24 cuts.  I will discuss the numbers with substance, skipping those that were pretty much transitional pieces to the story.  The better part that  pretty much was the meat and bones that highlights Townsend's musical genius.

And as far as the topical value, Tommy pretty much was a piece about the dangers of false prophets, and almost a premonition of consequences of cults of personality versus merit.  There is also a lot of hidden intent around religion, and  if you have never listened, it may or may not be your cup of tea. As far as ranking, this is my second favorite Who LP just behind Who's Next.

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Overture-  My favorite cut of the entire LP(s).  Yes, its an instrumental, but Townsend masterfully ties the hooks of much of the other parts of he opera into a fantastic piece of music.  Contrasting this with the best live version say, from Live from Leeds is amazing.  Augmenting the Piano, Hammond and the French Horn just gives the song a feel on a different level. 1

Amazing Journey-  Have never figured out how Townsend made the reverse flutist sound in the intro.  Damn innovative to say the least.  Love how the song starts so angelic and soft with powerful Daltery conviction, then cressendos in a classic Moon Drum bashing exercise.  Then reverses course on a dime. This one song maybe highlights Daltery's range the best of all.  4

Sparks- Another instrumental that really highlights the entire band's musical arsenal.  Entwistle's understated bass, which is pretty uncommon on Who tunes, works on so well. 10

Eyesight to the Blind- Almost included this in the transitional section, but included due to length.  Song mostly is relevant to the story, not as much ground breaking musically.  Nothing spectacular 15

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Christmas/See Me Feel Me- Another Semi-Transitional Piece, Intro- Strange soundng somehwat simple, in a lot why you might see or hear in the Magic Bus Who era.  14

Cousin Kevin- Off Key ode to pedophiles, as it applies to the story.  I used to think it was just creepy until decades later Townsend was accused of having kiddy porn on his PC in the name of research.  Yeah, right.  This is now just disgusting, and he has to live with it.   And its not the only time the topic shows up in this opera/album.  18

Acid Queen- i prefer this version as far as story telling versus the much more energetic Tina Turner version. But its like reading a book.  Sometimes you don't want to hear the same story from different authors. 8

Underture-  Another instrumental, more dark and forboding.  Maybe the only time I head Moon use tymps in this level of volume. Still maybe the best Moon work on the album.  He certainly is the feature part in it.  11

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Do You Think It's Alright (Uncle Ernie) Another creepy piece around pedophillia.  Townsend could have easily left this shitty topic out of the story with no trouble.  But.......  17
 
Pinball Wizard-  Of course the most wide known and recognizable tune on the LP.  Great rocker, The strum/power chord blend is classic.   Elton John's version is very good too, but does have more of a pop tinge infused. Can't go wrong with either.  Daltery was definitely on top of his game too.   2

Go to the Mirror- Baba like chordal progresson works fantatiscally in this one of the best tunes on the LP.  Daltery show off the range again too.  This is one of about 6 tunes, on why if you are a Who fan, this one is essential to your collection. 4

Tommy Can You Hear Me-  Almost folk like little piece that phases beautiful harmonies.  No doubt these guys were not only talented, but had a very underated level of versatility. 13

Smash the Mirror- Turn the dial, and now a blusey direction-  Again versatility on parade. 12

Sensation- And now a pop tune.  I always found it interesting when Townsend tries to make himself sound like Daltery.   Works well though.  7

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Sally Simpson- Very very strange addition, almost transitional, but senseless filler IMO.  I never understood why Townsend included this aspect in the story, except maybe to fuse the "groupie" moniker into the fray 16

I'm Free- Solid rocker that seems more stylisitically from Who's Next.  6

Welcome- Maybe the most operaic aspects of the work.  Daltery is a great singer, and it is amazing how he immerses obvious emotion into every almost "movement" of the song.  I always wondered how Tommy would have been if pete  had taken a purist approach to the concept. 9

Wer're Not Going to Take It-  Fabulous closing with another of The Who Classics.  Beautiful harmonic intertwine with strong musical play.
Second part of song focuses on enlightenment, which Daltery takes on with an Angelic approach.  And then the Clincher, some of the most powerful Who work yet.   Grand finale, for sure. Every band member shines.  3


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« Reply #795 on: January 24, 2023, 11:39:15 pm »
We're Not Gonna Take It


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« Reply #796 on: January 24, 2023, 11:51:39 pm »
If you are into Tarkus, you are truly a first rate ELP fan. 

 

Now, if "Love Beach" is your favorite ELP album, then seek help.

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« Reply #797 on: January 24, 2023, 11:53:01 pm »
I haven't played Tommy the studio version in a long time, because the live versions blow the studio versions away.

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« Reply #798 on: January 25, 2023, 01:50:56 am »
Classic Rock Album of the Day- Black Oak Arkansas - Self Titled- (1971) *** 1/2

Way back in the day, we in middle America had late night radio station, that was called Beaker Street.  Beaker Street resided at KAAY in Little Rock, Arkansas, and from 11 pm- 2am played underground rock music that wasn't heard or available anywhere else on AM in the early to mid 1970's.  This station pre-dated the FM rock stations that we loved in late 1970's - 1990's.  Back in the day we were slaves to radio reception, and on really good days, we could get a clear signal of this mainstay of rock of the day.  In those early days, most of our AM were Country Stations or Easy Listening.  KAAY was our ticket into Rock that was unavailable elsewhere.  Back in those early 1970's where else could you here the latest from Bloodrock, Grand Funk, Uriah Heep, Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath and manu others. 

One band that got a lot of airplay from KAAY were the local boys from Black Oak.  Band was named after their small town in Arkansas.  Their 1st self titled LP, was very unique, took the dueling guitar bit to a good sound, infused country, blues, and enough eery strangeness to give this 1st one a mystique that sadly was never reproduced.  The band succumbed to the lifestyle, numerous lineup changeups, silly female backup singers, and magic and continuity was not there.

But the overall product is very crisp.  There is a lot more musicanship here than you would expect.  These aren't hacks with scrub boards and jew harps.  There is some really good dueling guitar jams.

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Uncle Lijah- Tune starts with a amost pre-historic Marshall Tucker sound, done very nicley.  Nice entertaining song about a song of old 105 year old Uncle Lijah.  Standard rocker, but right out of the gate you are blown away by Jim Dandy (Mangrum)'s signature growl that works to a "T".  I also love the religious and redemption motif, and that is a subject repeated on the LP. 5

Memories at the Window-  Boys strain on the ballad concept. The message is good, Swampy blusey, not bad, but not great. 7

The Hills of Arkansas- Country fare done very nicely.  Sounds like another one that easily could have been lifted by the Marshall Tucker Band.  Lot of soul put into this number, and you can tell these guys are really into their craft.  3

I Could Love You- Woooo....   Shaft like clicking riffs, with some pretty nice searing dual guitar work. Repetive line structure , but works nicey in a blusey manner. Fine song.....  Had forgot how good it was.  '70's Jamming for sure.  2

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Hot and Nasty-  Black Oak's first signature song.  The one that early got the air play.  Very interesting innovative vocal play that you can tell is a meme builder working on Mangrum's stage presence.  Though it has some pretty nice guitar interplay, 50 years later, it feels more like a novelty song. 6

Singng the Blues-  50 years ago, I screamed at the speakers at this country remake.  There was plenty of Buck Owens on the radio.  I didn't ask for this.  Now, I kind of view the band playing it as somewhat of a parody, with the nasally tone included.   They did song fine, but I don't think it was really homage, but just to show some possible flexibility in style.  Geez, who knows.  8

Lord Have Mercy on My Soul-  Band returns to the religion/redemption theme, in what may be one of the most eery songs of that era.  Song is narrated by a low speaking preacher, explaining his near death experience and being drawn both to the evil and good.  Background includes amost what would sound like the gnashing of teeth in hell.   After the speech, a rocking number ensues.  Fantastic bass line and some addtional interesting dualing guitar work in Southern Rock style. 1

When Electricity Came to Arkansas- Speaking of Scrub Boards-   :cool:  Percussion centerd and featured number that breaks out into a southern jam session, and finally goes balls to walls blusey-ville.  Man they sure sounded like they had a good time recording it. 4



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« Reply #799 on: January 25, 2023, 02:04:34 am »
Now, if "Love Beach" is your favorite ELP album, then seek help.

Yep, Keith punked us in this pathetic effort.  I still to this day, think it was a joke.  Even the album cover was beyond ridiculous.
They win the award for  what happens when you give the label the middle finger to meet a contractual obligation.

(Honorable mention: Boston- Don't Look Back)

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