Feds issue new rule for gun sellers they probably won't like

[Elderberry]

WND 1/3/2022

'To help reduce the number of people killed and injured by the misuse of firearms'

In an odd announcement that came from the Department of Justice on Monday, federal officials now are requiring that firearms retailers certify that they are selling gun safes, or similar products.

The DOJ explained its new rule is "to help enable the safe and secure storage of firearms" and "implements the existing Gun Control Act requirement that federal firearms licensees that sell firearms to the general public must certify that they have available secure gun store or safety devices."

The rule, however, has no application for consumers, or a requirement the gun safes be used; it just requires that retailers certify they have them for sale.

More: https://www.wnd.com/2022/01/feds-issue-new-rule-gun-sellers-probably-wont-like/

[Smokin Joe]

"Temporarily out of stock, two week backorder"

[GtHawk]

So all they need to have is a mail order catalog to show any customer who asks? What a friggin waste of time.

[EdinVA]

Man crushed to death by giant 600-lb. safe in Lower Manhattan stairwell   

A man was crushed and killed by a giant safe on Sunday while attempting to move the 600-plus pound equipment in Lower Manhattan, sources said.


https://nypost.com/2019/06/30/man-crushed-to-death-by-giant-600-lb-safe-in-lower-manhattan-stairwell/

[Free Vulcan]

@EdinVA

Makes you wonder how they got it up the stairs to begin with.

200 lbs in my prime would have been all I'd been willing to guide down the stairs with the help of at least 4 people, and most people have zero experience at that kind of materials handling.

[Elderberry]

@EdinVA

Makes you wonder how they got it up the stairs to begin with.

200 lbs in my prime would have been all I'd been willing to guide down the stairs with the help of at least 4 people, and most people have zero experience at that kind of materials handling.

I built my own walk-in gun vault. With the help of only my 12 yr old son, we mounted the door, which alone, weighs around 1200 lbs. No stairs to deal with though.

[mountaineer]

So all they need to have is a mail order catalog to show any customer who asks?

Seems like that would be compliant enough. The article said, "or safety devices," so wouldn't having a gun lock available for purchase be sufficient?

[Elderberry]

Why do they need a New Rule?

In October 2005, as part of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, Congress passed and the President signed into law legislation making it unlawful for any licensed importer, manufacturer or dealer to sell or transfer any handgun unless the transferee is provided with a secure gun storage or safety device.

https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-laws/policy-areas/child-consumer-safety/safe-storage/

[mountaineer]

Biden admin issues new gun control rule in response to Michigan school shooting
Phil Shiver
January 04, 2022

The Biden administration announced a new firearms rule this week in response to last year's tragic school shooting in Michigan that aims to ensure that all gun owners have secure storage devices for their guns.

The new rule, detailed in a Department of Justice press release issued Monday, requires all federally licensed gun retailers to certify that they have secure gun storage devices that are specifically compatible with the firearms they are selling available on-site to customers.

According to the Justice Department, acceptable devices "include a safe, gun safe, gun case, lock box, or other device that is designed to be or can be used to store a firearm and that is designed to be unlocked only by means of a key, a combination, or other similar means." ... The Blaze

[Kamaji]

Biden admin issues new gun control rule in response to Michigan school shooting
Phil Shiver
January 04, 2022

The Biden administration announced a new firearms rule this week in response to last year's tragic school shooting in Michigan that aims to ensure that all gun owners have secure storage devices for their guns.

The new rule, detailed in a Department of Justice press release issued Monday, requires all federally licensed gun retailers to certify that they have secure gun storage devices that are specifically compatible with the firearms they are selling available on-site to customers.

According to the Justice Department, acceptable devices "include a safe, gun safe, gun case, lock box, or other device that is designed to be or can be used to store a firearm and that is designed to be unlocked only by means of a key, a combination, or other similar means." ... The Blaze

In other words, a trigger lock, by itself, won't count, because only devices that can be used to "store" a firearm are acceptable.

[Elderberry]

In other words, a trigger lock, by itself, won't count, because only devices that can be used to "store" a firearm are acceptable.

It doesn't say that "a trigger lock, by itself, won't count".

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2022/01/04/2021-28398/secure-gun-storage-and-definition-of-antique-firearm

SUMMARY:

The Department of Justice is amending the regulations of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (“ATF”) to codify into regulation certain provisions of the Omnibus Consolidated and Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act, 1999. This rule amends ATF's regulations to account for the existing statutory requirement that applicants for Federal firearms dealer licenses certify that secure gun storage or safety devices will be available at any place where firearms are sold under the license to nonlicensed individuals. This certification is already included in the Application for Federal Firearms License, ATF Form 7/7CR (“Form 7/7CR”). The regulation also requires applicants for manufacturer or importer licenses to complete the certification if the licensee will have premises where firearms are sold to nonlicensees. Moreover, the regulation requires that the secure gun storage or safety devices be compatible with the firearms offered for sale by the licensee. Finally, it conforms the regulatory definitions of certain terms to the statutory language, including the definition of “antique firearm,” which is amended to include certain modern muzzle loading firearms.

[Kamaji]

It doesn't say that "a trigger lock, by itself, won't count".

Is that what the proposed regulation itself provides?  Because that is inconsistent with the statement from Phil Shiver regarding what the proposed regulation would require.

[Elderberry]

Is that what the proposed regulation itself provides?  Because that is inconsistent with the statement from Phil Shiver regarding what the proposed regulation would require.

Imagine that.

[sneakypete]

So all they need to have is a mail order catalog to show any customer who asks? What a friggin waste of time.

@GtHawk

You can't possibly be that naive. This is nothing less than "the toe in the door" that establishes precedent.

[GtHawk]

In other words, a trigger lock, by itself, won't count, because only devices that can be used to "store" a firearm are acceptable.

The new rule, detailed in a Department of Justice press release issued Monday, requires all federally licensed gun retailers to certify that they have secure gun storage devices that are specifically compatible with the firearms they are selling available on-site to customers.

Define site, if I am a seller of firearms and have these devices available for purchase by customers on my website am I in compliance?

[GtHawk]

@GtHawk

You can't possibly be that naive. This is nothing less than "the toe in the door" that establishes precedent.

Socialist don't put a toe in any doors, they kick them down with jackboots. The sole purpose of a rule like this is to tie up a sellers capitol in mostly useless inventory, eat up valuable display, shelf, storage space, and add another layer of compliance for Brandon's AFT to harass them over.

[Elderberry]

https://public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2021-28398.pdf

DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives
27 CFR Part 478
Docket No. ATF 24P; AG Order No. 5304-2021                 
RIN:  1140-AA10
Secure Gun Storage and Definition of “Antique Firearm”
AGENCY:  Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, Department of Justice.
ACTION:  Final rule.
SUMMARY:  The Department of Justice is amending the regulations of the Bureau of Alcohol,
Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (“ATF”) to codify into regulation certain provisions of the
Omnibus Consolidated and Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act, 1999.  This rule
amends ATF’s regulations to account for the existing statutory requirement that applicants for
Federal firearms dealer licenses certify that secure gun storage or safety devices will be available
at any place where firearms are sold under the license to nonlicensed individuals.  This
certification is already included in the Application for Federal Firearms License, ATF Form
7/7CR (“Form 7/7CR”).  The regulation also requires applicants for manufacturer or importer
licenses to complete the certification if the licensee will have premises where firearms are sold to
nonlicensees.  Moreover, the regulation requires that the secure gun storage or safety devices be
compatible with the firearms offered for sale by the licensee.  Finally, it conforms the regulatory
definitions of certain terms to the statutory language, including the definition of “antique
firearm,” which is amended to include certain modern muzzle loading firearms

[Sighlass]

What bull, if I have a gun store right next to Harbor Freight (they sell gun safes) why should I try to compete with them. This is just a ploy to make it so expensive that smaller sellers can't join the market.