New York will restrict gas for cooking and heating, paving the way for more cities to follow

[libertybele]

New York will restrict gas for cooking and heating, paving the way for more cities to follow

The Big Apple made a big move this week to phase out gas stoves and range tops that so many of the city’s renowned chefs and home cooks say they rely on to control the temperature of their dishes.

The move may just be part of a nationwide swap that more people will have to swallow.

The New York City Council passed a bill, which Mayor Bill de Blasio is expected to sign into law, that prohibits the combustion of fossil fuels, namely gas, for cooking and heating in select new buildings. The ban will apply to new structures under seven stories tall starting in 2024 and to larger buildings in 2027.

New York is not alone. Berkeley, Calif., became the first city in the U.S. to ban gas hookups in new construction in 2019, and now at least 42 cities in California, including San Francisco and San Jose, have acted to limit gas in new buildings. Salt Lake City and Denver have also made plans to move toward electrification. And notably, Ithaca, N.Y., recently took the step to convert all of its buildings, not just new construction, to heat pumps and electric ranges over gas.

But New York City’s measure is significant not only because of its population size, but also because of its colder climate. Gas proponents have argued that cutting this heating option in a place where winter temperatures average in the 30s and 40s and can plunge even lower, means that electric heaters and kitchen appliances might overwhelm the grid and lead to power outages.

New York’s city council and the mayor have required studies on the feasibility of using heat pump technology and on how the measure will impact the city’s electricity grid.

Utility Con Edison said in testimony to a November meeting of the city council that the grid “is well-poised to support the transition to heating electrification.” Peak grid strain in the city tends to come with air conditioning use in the summer, it said.

“With a gas-free NYC, we can deliver better public health outcomes and make real strides to cut climate-warming emissions. Next up, New York state and the nation must follow suit,” said environmental group Food & Water Watch Northeast region Director Alex Beauchamp.

The Biden administration has pushed for heat pump rebates for homeowners in its Build Back Better spending bill that remains snarled in Congress...............

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/new-york-will-become-largest-u-s-city-to-restrict-gas-for-cooking-and-heating-paving-the-way-for-more-cities-to-join-11639679063?mod=home-page

[Smokin Joe]

New Yorkers will only "have to swallow" the absence of Natural Gas because their "rulers" have decreed it thus, driven by the NYC Church of Planetary Salvation.

Back when they banned hydraulic fracturing in the State, the stage was being set for this lunacy, and it has only continued, with pipeline projects being stymied as well.

At least the third world being imported will feel right at home.

[libertybele]

More businesses and jobs completely wiped out.

[sneakypete]

Say WHAT????????

[GtHawk]

Why this is just brilliant in a totally retarded kind of way. They force even more people to be dependent on expensive expensive electricity being made even more expensive by removing inexpensive generating sources and put even more strain on their electrical grids. Can you just imagine the grid failing and the city suffering a major black out and all those people who won't have gas stoves to cook on or boil water when the pumps are down? Yup absolutely brilliant how democrat cities think ahead.

[mountaineer]

Freeze to death, peons.

[GtHawk]

Freeze to death, peons.

You spelled proletariat wrong.

[Smokin Joe]

Buy a small camp stove and a can or a couple of cylinders of fuel.

Expect an increase in structural fires.

[Cyber Liberty]

You spelled proletariat wrong.

Hey @GtHawk!  You just hit 10,000 posts!

[Kamaji]

It’s mostly virtue signaling at this point since it doesn’t affect existing buildings, there aren’t that many new buildings being built in NYC, and most new buildings are high-end luxury where most of the residents don’t cook anyways.

There will be pushback if they try to ban gas in existing structures.  Cooking with electric sucks compared to cooking with gas. 

[sneakypete]

It’s mostly virtue signaling at this point since it doesn’t affect existing buildings, there aren’t that many new buildings being built in NYC, and most new buildings are high-end luxury where most of the residents don’t cook anyways.

There will be pushback if they try to ban gas in existing structures.  Cooking with electric sucks compared to cooking with gas.

@Kamaji

Can't wait to hear the response of the restaurants to having to switch from gas to electricity.

If they have ANY stones at all,the owners will refuse to cook for and serve anyone in politics.

[Smokin Joe]

I don't know what the alleged benefit is of having New York pave the way to perdition, but maybe there are shovel ready jobs involved.

If stupid hurt, though, they'd be able to hear the screams in Minot.

[DefiantMassRINO]

So, where will people get the extra money they'll need to pay for higher electricity rates during peaks?

Nothing in article about financial costs to consumers.

[Kamaji]

@Kamaji

Can't wait to hear the response of the restaurants to having to switch from gas to electricity.

If they have ANY stones at all,the owners will refuse to cook for and serve anyone in politics.

At this point they’re not required to switch.  It’s only for new large residential buildings.   

[libertybele]

It’s mostly virtue signaling at this point since it doesn’t affect existing buildings, there aren’t that many new buildings being built in NYC, and most new buildings are high-end luxury where most of the residents don’t cook anyways.

There will be pushback if they try to ban gas in existing structures.  Cooking with electric sucks compared to cooking with gas.

It took me a little while to get used to cooking with electric instead of gas, but really no big deal.  I imagine however for a chef it would be a very big deal.

[Kamaji]

It took me a little while to get used to cooking with electric instead of gas, but really no big deal.  I imagine however for a chef it would be a very big deal.

When I grew up we had electric, and we had electric in most of the houses and apartments I lived in up until I moved to NYC.  Since then, I've only used gas.  I much prefer cooking on gas - the temperature control is better and changes take place immediately; no waiting for the electric element to cool down to the reduced temperature you want.

[Fishrrman]

The Enterprise visits planet Omicron-4

(sound of transporters, as Captain Kirk, Mr. Spock and Dr. McCoy materialize on the planet's surface)...

Kirk: Mr. Spock, begin sensor readings immediately.

Spock (flips on tricorder): Captain, there is evidence that this planet, known as Omicron-4, once was inhabited by a large numbers of human creatures with a moderately-advanced civilization, at least for their time. But they seem to have almost entirely disappeared as a result of a sudden catastrophe.

Kirk: What kind of catastrophe, Mr. Spock? Advanced populations don't vanish without leaving something behind...

McCoy: Jim... picking up evidence of human-like creatures in those caves in the hills in the distance.

Kirk: Very well, doctor, we'll investigate.

(on the way to the caves)...
Kirk: Mr. Spock, what do you make of these large towers with the cabling between them?

Spock: Captain, sensors indicate that they may have been used for the purpose of electrical transmission. Although the method seems primitive by our standards, they were efficient enough in their own time. However, they seem to have been unused for years...

Kirk: Mr. Spock, your analysis, please.

Spock: Apparently, Captain, there was indeed once a thriving civilization on this planet. They had many natural resources providing multiple sources of carbon-based fuels with which to power their economies and technology.

But there appears to have arisen a faction of elites in control, who somehow acquired the delusions that their human activities were changing the climate of Omicron-4, and that the only way to prevent such change was to abandon natural carbon-based resources and implement unsound alternative methods of powering their economies, methods that were unreliable and inadequate.

As a result, sir, when the fossil fuels were driven from production, the Omincrons' economies, technologies -- and ultimately, their civilization -- collapsed with amazing speed. And by then, having lost their acumen required to restore functions based on their previous fossil fuels, recovery became impossible.

Hence, the backward inhabitants we see today.

Kirk (opening communicator): Scotty, beam us up. There's nothing we can do here.
(Sound of transporter as the landing party energizes and disappears)

[sneakypete]

At this point they’re not required to switch.  It’s only for new large residential buildings.

@Kamaji


Ahhh,the old Chinese water torture,where they get you a slow drip at a time.

The people who take the "it doesn't affect ME right now,so I am going to ignore it." are fools. They may be the last ones standing,but eventually the left will get around to them,too.

The time to fight this nonsense is BEFORE it becomes established law.

[libertybele]

@Kamaji


Ahhh,the old Chinese water torture,where they get you a slow drip at a time.

The people who take the "it doesn't affect ME right now,so I am going to ignore it." are fools. They may be the last ones standing,but eventually the left will get around to them,too.

The time to fight this nonsense is BEFORE it becomes established law.

 

@sneakypete the time to fight all this b.s., was long before Trump was even voted in. 'W' started with a bit of overreach and Bammy extended his overreach many times, yet 535 members of Congress did nothing and "We the People" never held them accountable!!  Many members of the GOPe went against Trump and here we sit. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

What generates the electricity?   

[sneakypete]

What generates the electricity?   

@Right_in_Virginia

Magic?

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia

Magic?

According to the socialist idiots @sneakypete   

[mountaineer]

What generates the electricity?   

Unicorn farts.

[Gefn]

I think I mentioned when I moved a couple years back, I got an electric stove . I was use to cooking with gas, and I’m not a fan.

The top four burners- no difference, but the oven part- big difference. I don’t like. Not at all. It’s taken the joy out of baking.

Just my two cents, but if I had my own place, like a house - I’d go with gas again.

[Elderberry]

It'll become just like in Europe, where in the winter, as the price of electricity has gone so high, people can't afford to heat their homes.