Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set

[Hoodat]

“You can pull the hammer back without actually pulling the trigger and without actually locking it,” Santa Fe District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies told Vanity Fair. “So you pull it back partway, it doesn’t lock, and then if you let it go, the firing pin can hit the primer of the bullet.”

Which means YOU SHOT THE FREAKING GUN.

Just how GD complicated IS this?

YOU were the one handling the gun.

YOU were the one that pulled the hammer back and then let go of it.

AND......of KEY importance,YOU WERE THE ONE THAT POINTED THE LOADED GUN AT THE HUMAN THAT DIED AS A RESULT OF YOU LETTING GO OF THE HAMMER AFTER PULLING IT BACK.

THIS means that YOU fired the freaking gun!

As short and concise of a closing argument as I have ever seen.

[sneakypete]

As short and concise of a closing argument as I have ever seen.

A similarity more people could connect to would be saying "If you were one of the restaurant employees that delivers cars to customers leaving the establishment you work in,and leave the running car sitting with the door open for customer convenience,and the customer THEN gets into the RUNNING car and runs down someone walking in a crosswalk,WHO is responsible,YOU,or the customer driving the car?"

In one case an employee handed his boss a loaded gun.

In the other case,an employee handed a customer a running car.

Cars kill far more innocent people each year than guns,and nobody even tries to pretend they aren't inherently dangerous while under the control of a fool that doesn't understand how to safely operate it.

This ain't rocket science,folks.

[240B]

Why not just review the video, if it hasn't already been destroyed.
The criminally negligent manslaughter occurred on a movie set.
There must have been tons of, or at least some video of the shooting.
I'm sure the investigators never impounded any of it, as much as I am sure it is all "missing" now.

[rustynail]

It was Trump.

[roamer_1]

I have carried a single action Colt .45 most all my life, and that in rough duty... I have never had it fire from a blow against a resting hammer... And I do not believe there is enough energy in the hammer between rest and half-cock to drop on a round successfully, not to mention that the cylinder is in a revolving state during that pull... I do not believe you get alignment with the next round until after you reach half-cock...

Once on half-cock the pistol is normally prevented from strike until you hit full-cock - Though it must be said there is a reason for the saying 'going off half-cocked' - but in normal operation, with a properly maintained pistol, that should be an impossibility.

Thus, in a properly functioning Colt, the ONLY way that thing fires automatically from a hammer drop is if the finger already has the trigger depressed, and the hammer is dropped from well past the half-cocked position.

I don't think it would require full cocked to fire (but probably mostly), but the natural action in that case is to reach full-cocked stop and continue the drag with your thumb till your thumb falls off the trigger, because it is actually harder to try to lift your thumb off the trigger than to drag it off as a matter of function.

The technical aspect that should be noted is that the thing does not fire without a finger on the trigger.

And NONE of that matters. The gun was in his hand. He had an indivisible and unalterable responsibility to know the gun's state and treat it accordingly. My daddy would have whooped my ass seeing me pointing a pistol at any living thing I wasn't fixin to kill. There is and can be no excuse. Every gun (even empty ones) is a loaded gun... Always treated that way. Which was easy enough to abide, because around here, every gun actually IS a loaded gun.

[Kamaji]

It was Trump.

Clearly!

[240B]

I find it odd that they refer to Mary Carmack-Altwies as "prosecutor" since it is clear by now that she won't be prosecuting Baldwin for anything.

Noticed that too. All law enforcement and All media are referring to (passive voice) 'the accident that happened' on the set may have been the gun's fault.

Even though just like Harvey Weinstein everyone knows he's guilty, Baldwin will likely never be criminally charged. Regardless of the Hollywood mafia in their secret society pact, including all LEOs and all media, he will not escape the avalanche of civil suits about to fall on his head.

[sneakypete]

I have carried a single action Colt .45 most all my life, and that in rough duty... I have never had it fire from a blow against a resting hammer... And I do not believe there is enough energy in the hammer between rest and half-cock to drop on a round successfully, not to mention that the cylinder is in a revolving state during that pull... I do not believe you get alignment with the next round until after you reach half-cock...

Once on half-cock the pistol is normally prevented from strike until you hit full-cock - Though it must be said there is a reason for the saying 'going off half-cocked' - but in normal operation, with a properly maintained pistol, that should be an impossibility.

Thus, in a properly functioning Colt, the ONLY way that thing fires automatically from a hammer drop is if the finger already has the trigger depressed, and the hammer is dropped from well past the half-cocked position.

I don't think it would require full cocked to fire (but probably mostly), but the natural action in that case is to reach full-cocked stop and continue the drag with your thumb till your thumb falls off the trigger, because it is actually harder to try to lift your thumb off the trigger than to drag it off as a matter of function.

The technical aspect that should be noted is that the thing does not fire without a finger on the trigger.

And NONE of that matters. The gun was in his hand. He had an indivisible and unalterable responsibility to know the gun's state and treat it accordingly. My daddy would have whooped my ass seeing me pointing a pistol at any living thing I wasn't fixin to kill. There is and can be no excuse. Every gun (even empty ones) is a loaded gun... Always treated that way. Which was easy enough to abide, because around here, every gun actually IS a loaded gun.

@roamer-1

That has always been my position,also. The only thing I can think of that is both useless and dangerous at the same time is a unloaded gun or a leftist.

[sneakypete]

Noticed that too. All law enforcement and All media are referring to (passive voice) 'the accident that happened' on the set may have been the gun's fault.

Even though just like Harvey Weinstein everyone knows he's guilty, Baldwin will likely never be criminally charged. Regardless of the Hollywood mafia in their secret society pact, including all LEOs and all media, he will not escape the avalanche of civil suits about to fall on his head.

@240B

Didn't he just relocate to Europe a few days ago? He won't be extradited while there,and his fortune is safe.

Since he is now a geezer and his movie career is over due to both age and not being able to buy insurance on the fool,he is now untouchable.

[roamer_1]

@roamer-1

That has always been my position,also. The only thing I can think of that is both useless and dangerous at the same time is a unloaded gun or a leftist.

YEP. My long guns are likely unloaded - If they go in a scabbard for storage, they tend to go there clean and unloaded... But my lever gun has never been unloaded a day in it's life - The shotgun by the door  same thing. And I spent way too much time in the woods not to have a loaded pistol near to hand... And I sleep with it in the very same place it always lays - over my right hand, even with the top of my head, whether in the woods or in the bed. And it will ALWAYS be so.

If you don't like loaded weapons, you have no business in my house.

[sneakypete]

YEP. My long guns are likely unloaded - If they go in a scabbard for storage, they tend to go there clean and unloaded... But my lever gun has never been unloaded a day in it's life - The shotgun by the door  same thing. And I spent way too much time in the woods not to have a loaded pistol near to hand... And I sleep with it in the very same place it always lays - over my right hand, even with the top of my head, whether in the woods or in the bed. And it will ALWAYS be so.

If you don't like loaded weapons, you have no business in my house.

@roamer_1

IMNSHO,if you don't like loaded weapons,you have no business owning a weapon. You are obviously so irresponsible even YOU recognize it.

[sneakypete]

YEP. My long guns are likely unloaded - If they go in a scabbard for storage, they tend to go there clean and unloaded... But my lever gun has never been unloaded a day in it's life - The shotgun by the door  same thing. And I spent way too much time in the woods not to have a loaded pistol near to hand... And I sleep with it in the very same place it always lays - over my right hand, even with the top of my head, whether in the woods or in the bed. And it will ALWAYS be so.

If you don't like loaded weapons, you have no business in my house.

@roamer_1

BTW,I keep a centerfire rifle loaded because I have no neighbors within a mile and might some day have to "reach out and touch someone".

I also keep a 12 gauge Ithaca Model 37 loaded at all times with number 2 buckshot,and I keep my 3 inch "go to town" 44 Special loaded with 200 grain hollowpoints,and my "daily carry" 9 shot 22 revolver snake gun with the 1-1/2 inch barrel loaded with 22 LR hollowpoints.

These three guns are never unloaded unless I am cleaning them or have shot one dry for some reason,which has never happened so far. I have serious doubts about it ever happening,which is a good thing.

[Smokin Joe]

“You can pull the hammer back without actually pulling the trigger and without actually locking it,” Santa Fe District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies told Vanity Fair. “So you pull it back partway, it doesn’t lock, and then if you let it go, the firing pin can hit the primer of the bullet.”

Which means YOU SHOT THE FREAKING GUN.

Just how GD complicated IS this?

YOU were the one handling the gun.

YOU were the one that pulled the hammer back and then let go of it.

AND......of KEY importance,YOU WERE THE ONE THAT POINTED THE LOADED GUN AT THE HUMAN THAT DIED AS A RESULT OF YOU LETTING GO OF THE HAMMER AFTER PULLING IT BACK.

THIS means that YOU fired the freaking gun!

Bottom line:

The actions of the person holding the firearm caused it to discharge a round, fatally wounding the Cinematographer and wounding the Director.

Those actions included:
>Not checking the firearm for live rounds.
>Pointing the firearm in an unsafe direction (directly at people).
>Not using a rubber prop gun for practice instead of the gun to be used for the shot.
>Causing, through manipulation of the hammer, trigger, or both, consciously or otherwise, the firearm to discharge the live round.

The firearm performed as firearms do when used, striking the primer, igniting the propellant, causing the bullet to travel down the barrel and in the direction it was pointed. That is not a malfunction on the part of the firearm, and any damage done is through the actions of the person wielding it.

[Hoodat]

YEP. My long guns are likely unloaded - If they go in a scabbard for storage, they tend to go there clean and unloaded... But my lever gun has never been unloaded a day in it's life - The shotgun by the door  same thing. And I spent way too much time in the woods not to have a loaded pistol near to hand... And I sleep with it in the very same place it always lays - over my right hand, even with the top of my head, whether in the woods or in the bed. And it will ALWAYS be so.

If you don't like loaded weapons, you have no business in my house.

When encountering a grizzly, a loaded gun may be the only thing that saves your life.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

BTW,I keep a centerfire rifle loaded because I have no neighbors within a mile and might some day have to "reach out and touch someone".

I also keep a 12 gauge Ithaca Model 37 loaded at all times with number 2 buckshot,and I keep my 3 inch "go to town" 44 Special loaded with 200 grain hollowpoints,and my "daily carry" 9 shot 22 revolver snake gun with the 1-1/2 inch barrel loaded with 22 LR hollowpoints.

These three guns are never unloaded unless I am cleaning them or have shot one dry for some reason,which has never happened so far. I have serious doubts about it ever happening,which is a good thing.

About the same thing, @sneakypete ... Though I ain't got a long gun loaded, and maybe a few more pistolas... That matched pair of nickel 9s I got are loaded (silly peashooters I won in a game, too pretty to sell, though I will never use)  as is the 357mag in the truck... And you reminded me that the long winchester pump is loaded too... The one by the door is sawed off. And the 30/30 lever is out in the seat scabbard in the truck too... I wasn't really thinking about the pickup. So like I said.... My long guns are about the only thing that ain't loaded... And I am in a bottom here, so can't see far enough to make a difference with big iron anyway.

[roamer_1]

When encountering a grizzly, a loaded gun may be the only thing that saves your life.

Take two,  they're small... Always have a 45/70 and a .45 up in the woods. Always. And always close to hand.

And it ain't just griz btw... Moose are more of a bother than griz. You may piss off a griz, but he will forget about it... Piss off a moose, and run into him next year, he'll still hate you personally. And folks are having trouble with wolves now (though I never have).... And of course, Hoomins...

[sneakypete]

About the same thing, @sneakypete ... Though I ain't got a long gun loaded, and maybe a few more pistolas... That matched pair of nickel 9s I got are loaded (silly peashooters I won in a game, too pretty to sell, though I will never use)  as is the 357mag in the truck... And you reminded me that the long winchester pump is loaded too... The one by the door is sawed off. And the 30/30 lever is out in the seat scabbard in the truck too... I wasn't really thinking about the pickup. So like I said.... My long guns are about the only thing that ain't loaded... And I am in a bottom here, so can't see far enough to make a difference with big iron anyway.

@roamer_1

EVERY self-defense plan is conditional on terrain and obstacles.

My "everyday carry gun" is the 9 shot 1.5 inch barrel 22 pistol because if I HAVE to shoot something,chances are close to 100 percent it will be a snake or a rabid animal at close to spitting range,and a 22 LR hollowpoint  works just fine for that,and in a pinch,all 9 of them are better than throwing rocks,and MIGHT give me a chance to get into the house and grab my 12 gauge or my 30/06.

The 22 is even my "carry gun" when I go shopping in the closest town,which is about as safe as any town I have ever been in anywhere.

If I have to travel to the nearest actual city for something,my 3 inch 44 Special goes along with me.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

EVERY self-defense plan is conditional on terrain and obstacles.

My "everyday carry gun" is the 9 shot 1.5 inch barrel 22 pistol because if I HAVE to shoot something,chances are close to 100 percent it will be a snake or a rabid animal at close to spitting range,and a 22 LR hollowpoint  works just fine for that,and in a pinch,all 9 of them are better than throwing rocks,and MIGHT give me a chance to get into the house and grab my 12 gauge or my 30/06.

The 22 is even my "carry gun" when I go shopping in the closest town,which is about as safe as any town I have ever been in anywhere.

If I have to travel to the nearest actual city for something,my 3 inch 44 Special goes along with me.

@sneakypete That's right. I carry that .45 1911. When I go to the woods, the clip holster comes off and it rests in it's home on my woods belt... Which is on me before I go a single inch into the woods, every time, along with my go-bag.

Different strokes, right? No snakes hereabouts. nothing much to worry about smaller than 125 lbs. and mostly what I might have a worry about is a helluva lot bigger than that!

I keep trying to figure out how to carry a .22LR pistol... Would be a handy thing for dispatch on a trap line. And I keep threatening to go to a 4/10 with a drop-in .22 barrel (single shot shotgun)... Gives you 4/10 slug, buck, bird, .45 (low yield load), and .22LR, all in one package. That ain't a bad outfit for a versatile survival package.

BUT... nah. I will stick with my modded 45/70 and go back to a .45 Colt. That's enough for most the time, and anything that gets through all that, I wasn't gonna win anyway...

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete 

 
I keep trying to figure out how to carry a .22LR pistol... Would be a handy thing for dispatch on a trap line. 
 

My  is a Taurus Ultra-Lite Nine. Which means it is a 9 shot 22 revolver that shoots short,long,and long rifle 22 cartridges.

It is roughly 7 inches long from the muzzle to the rear of the grip,4.5 inches high,and 1.5 inches wide at the cylinder.

Don't know how much it weighs,but it is light and lots of times I even forget it  is in my pants pocket.

Or jacket pocket,depending on the weather and how I am dressed.

Bought it new a long time ago,and don't have a clue what I paid for it.

I do know it is very well built and insanely accurate for a handgun with such a short barrel. I have literally hit running snakes with it at 10 feet or so,using regular 22 LR ammo,not snake shot.

I would use snake shot in it if it weren't for the possibility of having to shot a rabid racoon or opossum,or even a thug if I leave home.

I know the 22LR doesn't have much of a reputation as a manstopper,but I am confident that I am calm enough to put a 22 LR Hollowpoint in an attackers eye socket at 10 feet,and I have never heard of anybody tough enough to withstand that.

Would I prefer my 44 Special for human targets? You bet,but you have to play with the cards you hold.

[Hoodat]

I know the 22LR doesn't have much of a reputation as a manstopper,but I am confident that I am calm enough to put a 22 LR Hollowpoint in an attackers eye socket at 10 feet,and I have never heard of anybody tough enough to withstand that.

A .22 through an eye socket should do an effective job at scrambling enough brain tissue to permanently incapacitate a person.

[roamer_1]

I know the 22LR doesn't have much of a reputation as a manstopper,but I am confident that I am calm enough to put a 22 LR Hollowpoint in an attackers eye socket at 10 feet,and I have never heard of anybody tough enough to withstand that.

Would I prefer my 44 Special for human targets? You bet,but you have to play with the cards you hold.

@sneakypete

Oh it ain't like that - I am a fair shot - And I can knock a squirrel in the head... or bark him with a .22 ... And yeah, I could probably hit a hoomin in the eye. But a griz or a moose, or even a wolverine (did I tell you I stepped on a wolverine one time?) I know a .22 won't penetrate a griz more than just pissin him off... Moose prolly too. And a wolverine is pissed off already.

It ain't that effective against what I might need it for. So it is extra weight in a go-bag that is necessarily light, and very purpose driven. Your time in the jungle is likely a lot the same - You really avoid carrying anything more than you really really need to. And two is one, and one is none... So everything does more than one job too... So just tossin on another pistol is against a lifetime of programming. I would do better to make do.

[sneakypete]

@roamer_1

BTW,I just now remembered that I once again have a black bear roaming through my yard at night. Used to have a big one come through the yard every night,and take a dump and a good back scratch at the telephone pole on the north side of my yard.

He never really bothered me and I never really bothered him. I would go out onto the porch sometimes as I was leaving to go somewhere,and see him walking down the middle of the dirt road in front of my house,as he was on his way to bed down in the bushes just north of the house. When this happened,I would either just stay on the porch until he had made his way down the road,or go back into the house for a few minutes. No big deal either way.

Then,it seems like someone from the local group of "He-man bear hunters" must have tracked him down with their dogs and killed him,because he just disappeared.

Just noticed new bear tracks in my yard a few days ago. MUCH smaller than the old ones. This one is probably on his first year away from his mama,and adjusting to life and new terrain. Hoping he and I reach the same "live and let live" approach to life as the last bear.

Don't get me wrong,if I am out in the yard and he surprises me and starts acting aggressive,I WILL fire him up if I think I have no other choice,but don't want that to happen. Being as this is a black bear,chances are he won't be aggressive unless backed into a corner and scared.

I am at the point in life where I am a "live and let live" guy unless severely provoked. I have zero interest in harming anyone or anything if I can avoid it.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

Oh it ain't like that - I am a fair shot - And I can knock a squirrel in the head... or bark him with a .22 ... And yeah, I could probably hit a hoomin in the eye. But a griz or a moose, or even a wolverine (did I tell you I stepped on a wolverine one time?) I know a .22 won't penetrate a griz more than just pissin him off... Moose prolly too. And a wolverine is pissed off already.

It ain't that effective against what I might need it for. So it is extra weight in a go-bag that is necessarily light, and very purpose driven. Your time in the jungle is likely a lot the same - You really avoid carrying anything more than you really really need to. And two is one, and one is none... So everything does more than one job too... So just tossin on another pistol is against a lifetime of programming. I would do better to make do.

@roamer_1

Gotcha. Was just pointing out that my 9 shot 22 revolver really IS a "pocket pistol" that you could carry to shoot small game or finish off crippled animals without making so much noise you scare off everything else within a mile.

I,personally,would have no trouble justifying adding it's weight to my go-bag in any survival situation. Using it when practical would save me from wasting a lot of very valuable/expensive and potentially hard to find centerfire ammo,and I seem to have a BUNCH of 22 rimfire ammo laying around.

Yeah,I also have a bunch of Nato 7.62 (remember when there was TONS of surplus NATO 308 for sale at scrap prices?) laying around for my FN/FAL,but who really wants to shoot a 308 when you can accomplish the same thing using a 22 LR revolver while making a LOT less noise?

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

BTW,I just now remembered that I once again have a black bear roaming through my yard at night. Used to have a big one come through the yard every night,and take a dump and a good back scratch at the telephone pole on the north side of my yard.
[...]
I am at the point in life where I am a "live and let live" guy unless severely provoked. I have zero interest in harming anyone or anything if I can avoid it.

@sneakypete

No dogs I take it. Heck, even old Chewy keeps the bears out. I am pretty live and let live too. But the dogs ain't, and that's alright.

 

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

Gotcha. Was just pointing out that my 9 shot 22 revolver really IS a "pocket pistol" that you could carry to shoot small game or finish off crippled animals without making so much noise you scare off everything else within a mile.

I,personally,would have no trouble justifying adding it's weight to my go-bag in any survival situation. Using it when practical would save me from wasting a lot of very valuable/expensive and potentially hard to find centerfire ammo,and I seem to have a BUNCH of 22 rimfire ammo laying around.

Yeah,I also have a bunch of Nato 7.62 (remember when there was TONS of surplus NATO 308 for sale at scrap prices?) laying around for my FN/FAL,but who really wants to shoot a 308 when you can accomplish the same thing using a 22 LR revolver while making a LOT less noise?

@sneakypete

Oh I won't be using a gun at that point... In fact, if I have to stay out a while, the guns are only there for protection... Can't afford to waste the ammo otherwise. So all other tasks revert to caveman.

BUT, if I were to run traps again (too gimped up currently) I reckon a .22 would be handy in the trap bucket. Otherwise, a club does nicely, and has served me long.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

No dogs I take it. Heck, even old Chewy keeps the bears out. I am pretty live and let live too. But the dogs ain't, and that's alright.

 

@roamer_1

Neither of the last two dogs I owned lasted a month. Poisonous snakes got them.

This is one reason I have cats. Cats consider snakes to be a desirable fast food,and will rat pack one and then fight each other to see who eats him.

The bleep cats in the shop did me a dirty a couple of summers ago. Bit the head off of a copperhead,and left him laying just inside the entrance door. I came in barefoot that afternoon to feed them,stepped on the copperhead,and must have levitated 3 feet in the air.

I know this is not possible,but I would also swear the cats were laughing at me. All 3 of them where lined up watching.

[Kamaji]

@roamer_1

Neither of the last two dogs I owned lasted a month. Poisonous snakes got them.

This is one reason I have cats. Cats consider snakes to be a desirable fast food,and will rat pack one and then fight each other to see who eats him.

The bleep cats in the shop did me a dirty a couple of summers ago. Bit the head off of a copperhead,and left him laying just inside the entrance door. I came in barefoot that afternoon to feed them,stepped on the copperhead,and must have levitated 3 feet in the air.

I know this is not possible,but I would also swear the cats were laughing at me. All 3 of them where lined up watching.

They were laughing. 

[roamer_1]

The bleep cats in the shop did me a dirty a couple of summers ago. Bit the head off of a copperhead,and left him laying just inside the entrance door. I came in barefoot that afternoon to feed them,stepped on the copperhead,and must have levitated 3 feet in the air.

LOL!
Funny how that goes with cats @sneakypete

Best we ever had was a Maine Coon called Foot (short for Bigfoot) He was a whoppin big Maine Coon. I would not be surprised to find out he was half bobcat. Like all cats, he'd leave presents on the door mat to let you know he's doing his job... Most cats, you get that gross little skid as you inadvertently step on what's left of a mouse.

Not with Foot. You'd squish into a full duck. Or trip over a turtle. Or a gopher, or a young coon or possum. It was certainly a chore, but you would shake your head at what that cat would drag home.

[verga]

Once on half-cock the pistol is normally prevented from strike until you hit full-cock - Though it must be said there is a reason for the saying 'going off half-cocked' - but in normal operation, with a properly maintained pistol, that should be an impossibility.

@roamer_1 I reserve the right to be completely wrong about this, but I always thought that referred to Muzzle loaders (Primarily) Percussion caps.

[verga]

@
I keep trying to figure out how to carry a .22LR pistol... Would be a handy thing for dispatch on a trap line. And I keep threatening to go to a 4/10 with a drop-in .22 barrel (single shot shotgun)... Gives you 4/10 slug, buck, bird, .45 (low yield load), and .22LR, all in one package. That ain't a bad outfit for a versatile survival package.

I have a Ruger (MKI) that my father left me. Fairly light and that and a spare mag will give you 19 shots.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1 I reserve the right to be completely wrong about this, but I always thought that referred to Muzzle loaders (Primarily) Percussion caps.

Probably so @verga , but I would not try to promote the sufficiency of half-cocked on a gun in less than optimal condition... Which was sorta my point... I know a colt .45 single action in good or at least reasonable condition cannot fire from half-cocked.

[mystery-ak]

Husband of killed ‘Rust’ cinematographer unloads on Alec Baldwin in first interview: ‘I was just so angry’
February 24, 2022 | Sierra Marlee


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Eqw0QmOXDQ&ab_channel=TODAY

Matt Hutchins, the husband of Halyna Hutchins who was fatally shot on the set of “Rust” spoke to “Today” in the first interview since his wife’s death, and he explained how he’s felt about Alec Baldwin denying responsibility.

“The idea that the person holding the gun and causing it to discharge is not responsible is absurd to me,” he explained to Hoda Kotb.

He told Kotb that the denial made him “so angry” but he believes that Baldwin isn’t the only one responsible.

“I was just so angry to see him talk about her death so publicly in such a detailed way and then to not accept any responsibility after having just described killing her. But gun safety was not the only problem on that set,” he said. “There were a number of industry standards that were not practiced and there’s multiple responsible parties.”

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https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/02/24/husband-of-killed-rust-cinematographer-unloads-on-alec-baldwin-in-first-interview-i-was-just-so-angry-1205233/

[Hoodat]

LOL!
Funny how that goes with cats @sneakypete

Best we ever had was a Maine Coon called Foot (short for Bigfoot) He was a whoppin big Maine Coon.

I've got a maine coon.  As someone who detests cats, this cat is OK.  Can't get him to communicate like a dog yet, but he is fat as heck and likes being scratched on the belly.

[roamer_1]

I have a Ruger (MKI) that my father left me. Fairly light and that and a spare mag will give you 19 shots.

Been gonna for half my life @verga , but I just can't get shy of the direct necessity of large caliber weapons in my travels. Down here in the bottoms where the griz pretty much ain't is one thing - Wandering around cultured farmlands with nothing more than a .22 is pretty doable.

But I go up in the tall timber. I am gonna have a 45/70 and a .45 pistol no matter what up in there... So a .22 winds up being superfluous and extra weight.

That quote of mine about the 410 shotgun, and the amazing array and variety of ammo it will accommodate REALLY is attractive to me as a survival tactical system - But it is a pipe dream up here in the Boreal forest. Maybe in Appalachia or the south. It ain't often that the need arises even here, but when it does arise - Which is exactly what you are preparing for - When it does arise, that 410 might as well be a peashooter.

[roamer_1]

I've got a maine coon.  As someone who detests cats, this cat is OK.  Can't get him to communicate like a dog yet, but he is fat as heck and likes being scratched on the belly.

What a coincidence.... Me too. 

[sneakypete]

@roamer_1 I reserve the right to be completely wrong about this, but I always thought that referred to Muzzle loaders (Primarily) Percussion caps.

@roamer_1   @verga

You are,ALL single-action revolvers that I have ever seen have a half-cock notch on the hammer.

Come to think of it,so do all the lever-action rifles I have ever handled.

It is there so there is no accidental discharge if your thump slips off the hammer when you cock it.

[Elderberry]

Why is a revolver's hammer recommended to rest on an empty chamber?

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-a-revolvers-hammer-recommended-to-rest-on-an-empty-chamber

David L. Green, former Deputy Sheriff at Franklin County Sheriff's O (1976-2009)
Answered Nov 4, 2018

Unless you are talking about an old time single action revolver or a modern reproduction without a transfer bar, it does not apply. The old single actions were carried that way because it was too easy to drop the weapon on the hammer which would cause the firearm to discharge. This could also happen if the firearm was holstered and hammer was struck hard enough in whatever fashion to strike the primer of the round the hammer rested against. So, single action revolvers were carried hammer down on an empty chamber. When carrying an old style revolver, the safe way is to load as follows..load one, skip one, and load four.

Then carefully pull hammer all the way back as if preparing to fire, then lower the hammer carefully. This will put the empty chamber under the hammer. Of course this makes your six shooter into a five shooter!

Truly modern single action revolvers such as Rugers, have a transfer bar system which makes it safe to carry with all 6 chambers loaded. It is important to know that your particular sa revolver does have a transfer bar system. Older Ruger sa revolvers did not and so should still be carried with the empty chamber under the hammer.

Hope this answered your question.

[verga]

NM prosecutor on movie set shooting fatality: Alec Baldwin may not have pulled trigger
February 20, 2022 | Ashley Hill

The New Mexico prosecutor investigating the shot fired from the gun in the hands of Alec Baldwin on the set of “Rust” last year may have been swayed by the actor’s December interview with ABC where he claimed that he “didn’t pull the trigger.”

“You can pull the hammer back without actually pulling the trigger and without actually locking it,” Santa Fe District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies told Vanity Fair. “So you pull it back partway, it doesn’t lock, and then if you let it go, the firing pin can hit the primer of the bullet.”

After seeing Baldwin’s interview on ABC the prosecutor set out to unofficially investigate if it was possible for the gun to go off without pulling the trigger as Baldwin had asserted happened although initially, she wasn’t convinced the story had legs.

“I didn’t know too much about guns, certainly not about 1850s-era revolvers. So when I first heard that, I was like, ‘Oh, that’s crazy,’ ”Carmack-Altwies said.

more
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/02/20/nm-prosecutor-on-movie-set-shooting-fatality-alec-baldwin-may-not-have-pulled-trigger-1203444/

That "theory" has been disproved numerous times by professionals on YouTube.

[Hoodat]

When I was six years old, NRA members taught me (as part of a Hunter Safety course) that if I pointed a gun at someone and the gun went off, that I was responsible because aiming the gun was under my control and I did the pointing.  The lesson there was 'do not point a gun at another person'.  Alec Baldwin violated a lesson ingrained in me for over half a century, thanks to the NRA.

[mountaineer]

‘I Shot The Gun’: Alec Baldwin’s Statement To Cops Post ‘Rust’ Shooting Reveals New Details
By  Amanda Harding
Apr 26, 2022   DailyWire.com

Actor Alec Baldwin gave a slightly different testimony of what happened on the set of “Rust” in the hours following the incident, newly released video footage reveals.

The Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office shared body cam footage, crime scene photos, witness interviews, and text messages they’ve gathered so far, which help paint a clearer picture of the 64-year-old actor’s involvement in the shooting that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins after a gun Alec Baldwin was holding discharged in October.

The “30 Rock” alum has maintained all along that he never touched the trigger of the .45-caliber Old West revolver.  ...

In the first moments of his interview, Baldwin inquires if he’s being charged with anything. The deputy confirms he’s just there for questioning and says the actor has already been read his Miranda rights.

“When I shot the gun, away from the cameraman, I never aim the gun at the camera, I turned and I went like this,” he told investigators, making a gun with his fingers and demonstrating, Fox News reported. “And she was there. And the gun went off. And she just went right on the ground.”

“I take the gun out slowly. I turn and cock the pistol. Bang! [Hutchins] hits the ground, she goes down. [Souza] goes down, screaming, he’s like ‘Jesus Christ,’” Baldwin also says, according to the New York Post. “It’s supposed to be a cold gun … Now this is a puzzle to me … this is making me very emotional.” ...

Daily Wire

Idiot.

[mountaineer]

‘I Just F***ed Up My Whole Entire Career’: ‘Rust’ Armorer, 24, After Fatal Shooting Of Halyna Hutchins
By  Hank Berrien
Apr 26, 2022

The 24-year-old set armorer for the film “Rust” broke down after the fatal shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, 42, confessing, “I just f***ed up my whole entire career,” as revealed by newly-released video footage.

Hannah Gutierrez Reed was questioned by police on the set after actor-producer Alec Baldwin pointed a gun at cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and it went off, wounding director Joel Souza and killing Hutchins. When police asked her if she was the film’s armorer, Reed replied, “I am, or at least I was … welcome to the worst day of my life.”

As she was accompanied to the restroom by a female police officer, Reed continued, “I can’t believe Alec Baldwin was holding the gun. That’s so f***ed,” later telling officers she preferred to remove herself from the rest of the crew and sit in a police vehicle as she lamented, “I just want to get the f*** out of here and never show my face in this industry again. … I’m the only female armorer in the game and I just f***ed up my whole entire career.” ...

Daily Wire

Yeah, it didn't do much for Ms. Hutchins' career, either. Is it me, or does Ms. Reed seem just a little bit self-absorbed, considering what happened to the two people struck by bullets?

[Cyber Liberty]

Daily Wire

Yeah, it didn't do much for Ms. Hutchins' career, either. Is it me, or does Ms. Reed seem just a little bit self-absorbed, considering what happened to the two people struck by bullets?

Reed knows she's the designated patsy to take all the blame away from the senior people on the set.  If there's jail time, she's going to be the one serving it and she knows it.

(I wonder if she still lives in my little town?)

[mountaineer]

Yep, finger on the trigger. But the gun just went off all by itself.

https://twitter.com/LevineJonathan/status/1519035964454322178

[roamer_1]

Reed knows she's the designated patsy to take all the blame away from the senior people on the set.  If there's jail time, she's going to be the one serving it and she knows it.

(I wonder if she still lives in my little town?)

Yeah. like a foot nailed to a railroad tie with a freight train hurtling toward you...

I am not unaware of the final responsibility resting firmly in the hand of the doer... Nor do I deny what ought to be the outcome...

But she did have a direct responsibility as armorer to make certain those guns were all in good repair, stored unloaded, and kept secure.

Unless it can be proven otherwise, like a physically broken lock, intentional tampering, or some such...

She ought to be on the hook for something. She is necessarily culpable. Especially considering the morons she is dealing with.

However, she should not be the bagholder here (which she inevitably will be)... The weight should fall on Baldwin. It is his primary responsibility to KNOW the gun is unloaded, and to treat it as loaded anyway.

But, she is not without some guilt.

[Cyber Liberty]

Yeah. like a foot nailed to a railroad tie with a freight train hurtling toward you...

I am not unaware of the final responsibility resting firmly in the hand of the doer... Nor do I deny what ought to be the outcome...

But she did have a direct responsibility as armorer to make certain those guns were all in good repair, stored unloaded, and kept secure.

Unless it can be proven otherwise, like a physically broken lock, intentional tampering, or some such...

She ought to be on the hook for something. She is necessarily culpable. Especially considering the morons she is dealing with.

However, she should not be the bagholder here (which she inevitably will be)... The weight should fall on Baldwin. It is his primary responsibility to KNOW the gun is unloaded, and to treat it as loaded anyway.

But, she is not without some guilt.

I totally agree, but she will be the only one punished for it, which explains why her statements are self-serving.

[roamer_1]

I totally agree, but she will be the only one punished for it, which explains why her statements are self-serving.

Ayup.

[Hoodat]

Reed knows she's the designated patsy to take all the blame away from the senior people on the set.  If there's jail time, she's going to be the one serving it and she knows it.

If all the blame can be put on her, it also absolved Baldwin of any civil liability, which is a more important matter for him.  Let them sue the poor girl.

[roamer_1]

As an aside, I am pondering why it is that set guns are still fully operational. After 100 years, considering the tech  and FX available And the enormous money Hollywood routinely spends on sets - That they haven't come up with a way to limit such damage...

Something as easy as a blank cartridge with a fatter rim, so the hammer could be shaved... Now the thing will work on a set blank, but won't fire a regular round.

So I would also lay some culpability on the industry itself.

[240B]

She was working under the umbrella of Baldwin's production company. They will sue him.
When a company truck is in an accident, they don't sue the driver. They sue the employer.

[GtHawk]

As an aside, I am pondering why it is that set guns are still fully operational. After 100 years, considering the tech  and FX available And the enormous money Hollywood routinely spends on sets - That they haven't come up with a way to limit such damage...

Something as easy as a blank cartridge with a fatter rim, so the hammer could be shaved... Now the thing will work on a set blank, but won't fire a regular round.

So I would also lay some culpability on the industry itself.

This is why John Schneider was so angry right after the shooting and did numerous interviews and posted videos explaining the industry standards Baldwin and others violated and discussing that there is no reason to have a working gun or even a detailed replica on a set anymore because sound, flash and other visuals can all be done with modern electronic effects.