Eye-opening poll shows more than 40% of Biden voters and half of Trump voters agree its time to spli

[libertybele]

A number of folks replying to my call for a new "Continental Congress" seem to think there is no difference between it and an Article V Convention.

The differences are stark.
That is why I DO NOT wish to see an Article V Convention now.
It can no longer "fix" things.

It's time for a complete re-evaluation of the DC government: whether it is "restorable", and if not, what's to be done instead.

The traditional-freedom states can't "go it alone".
Even Texas cannot, despite the delusions of some members here.
It would be "The Alamo" all over again, only this time with the DC/fed/communist government in place of Santa Anna.

Thus, the states must first send delegates to a Continental Congress to begin deliberations on the future. And then take coordinated actions on getting there.

No, I didn't state that there wasn't a difference between a Continental Congress and an Article V Convention of States -- I'm merely asking what the difference is.

[Fishrrman]

An Article V "Convention of the States" can propose Constitutional amendments.
That's about it.

A "Continental Congress" is not prescribed by The Constitution.
It could go anywhere it wanted to go.
Just like the first one did, convened in 1775 (if I remember right).
Isn't that wherefrom sprang the first "Declaration" ???

[libertybele]

An Article V "Convention of the States" can propose Constitutional amendments.
That's about it.

A "Continental Congress" is not prescribed by The Constitution.
It could go anywhere it wanted to go.
Just like the first one did, convened in 1775 (if I remember right).
Isn't that wherefrom sprang the first "Declaration" ???

I truly didn't know the difference.  I am then against a Continental Congress as it is not provided for in our Constitution.

Amending the Constitution through a Convention of States is one thing and as I had mentioned a couple of times; that ship has sailed.  There are now far too many liberal state legislators and therefore not a good idea.  A Continental Congress can do just about anything??  No, we have a Constitution that has served us well; unfortunately we have allowed it to be trampled on.

My vote is No.       

[240B]

All of this talk about the 'Constitution' is irrelevant. The New Fascist Democrat Party does not care about nor do they recognize the Constitution except when they can twist its words in some way to benefit "The Communist Agenda".

When dealing with Democrats, legalities do not mean anything. They do not recognize the concept of 'Law' or 'Legal'. These are outdated ideas.

It won't matter anyway. Any fool can see that the goal of Soros and his puppets in D.C. is to collapse the dollar. When that happens and all sense of "order" is gone, the Free States will have no choice but to act in any way they can to protect their sovereignty and their people. And it will have nothing to do with Law or the Constitution.

Once everything devolves into chaos, the Federal Government and their "royal edicts" will be meaningless. Each State will act on their own in whatever way they deem to be in their best interests.

Democrats have already made Law and the Constitution meaningless on their side. When Conservative States do the same, the Socialist Blue States will crumble like ancient Rome.

[Hoodat]

Without the rule of law, which clearly no longer exists in the USA, there is no longer any point to the union.

Article IV
Section 4

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion

The federal government has failed in its Constitutional obligation to the States. 

[Bigun]

Article IV
Section 4

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion

The federal government has failed in its Constitutional obligation to the States.

You will get no argument from me @Hoodat

[Right_in_Virginia]

Eye-opening poll shows more than 40% of Biden voters and half of Trump voters agree its time to split the country

Half the country cannot face the fight in front of them; the other half knows they've already won.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Article IV
Section 4

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion

The federal government has failed in its Constitutional obligation to the States.

Imagine the Senate priorities today if the passage of what is the 17th Amendment had failed.

[Slide Rule]

With respect, I'm going to strongly disagree with you on this @jafo2010   I'm convinced that the result of any such effort these days would not be to your liking or mine.

Further, I do not believe that there is anything wrong with our constitution as it currently exists.  What IS wrong, as I have alluded to above, is the absolute chicanery of the courts and that needs to be addressed by the methods already provided in the constitution.

Without any respect, can anyone imagine what two diametrically opposed countries adjacent to each would bring?
Just look at Europe, China, or Russia and their neighbors. Countries at war with their neighbor for centuries. Besides
those with the strings of government will escalate in some other fashion. They are not honorable nor trustworthy. If
we face war, sooner is the time.

Separating would give credibility to lawlessness. The only thing it would provide would be access to massive weapons
which should be addressed initially at all transportation points of connection. War without compromise.

As bad as this is, war could be much worse. If voting remains rigged, and I expect Dominion software will remain
in enough places to be trouble, we can always start over.

We have it in our power to begin the world over again.
Thomas Paine

[verga]

The Red/Blue divide is actually pretty contiguous, and would be pretty easy to draw...at least for us.

1. On the west side drop NM, AZ, CO, CA, NV, WA, OR, and HA
2. On the north border drop MN, WI, MI, IL, and OH
3. Northeast...  Drop all those states plus Virginia.

Given, there are these Purple states...NV, AZ, OH, MI, NC, VA.  Their population and statehouses would have to make the call.

As a current resident of VA. Annex NOVA into DC and call it done.

[Hoodat]

As a current resident of VA. Annex NOVA into DC and call it done.

True.  Get rid of Fairfax, Arlington, and Prince William Counties.  Loudon County can be saved.

[corbe]

   VA ain't going nowhere especially if those fools elect McAuliffe, again.  At least we have them surrounded by gaining West (By G_d) Virginia, Kentucky, North Carolina and Tennessee.

[verga]

   VA ain't going nowhere especially if those fools elect McAuliffe, again.  At least we have them surrounded by gaining West (By G_d) Virginia, Kentucky, North Carolina and Tennessee.

[sneakypete]

I have a degree in history,  as well as others, and I say we are long overdue for a 2nd Continental Congress.  Why you ask?  For many reasons.  We have moved dramatically away from our Constitution in many regards.  For example, only men who were land owners could vote at the start of this nation.  White men.  Now we have states allowing illegal aliens to vote in local elections.  That is a travesty, and a total disregard to the Constitution.

@jafo2010

NOT true. There were free black men who not only owned farms,but also owned slaves long before the American Revolution. In FACT,the very FIRST slave owner in the English-speaking New World was a black man who enslaved his black indentured
servant in the very first Colony.  He took him to court and won the right to enslave him.

He owned a horse farm in Pa when he died.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Roughly 2 in 10 Trump and Biden voters strongly agree it would be better if a "President could take needed actions without being constrained by Congress or courts," and roughly 4 in 10 (41%) of Biden and half (52%) of Trump voters at least somewhat agree that it's time to split the country, favoring blue/red states seceding from the union.

That is loony toons thinking. These pro-Trump people are just as bad if true.

[goatprairie]

That is loony toons thinking. These pro-Trump people are just as bad if true.