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*gravamen*...never heard of that term..had to look it up!

Sorry.  sometimes I like to use fancy-pantsy words.

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Sorry.  sometimes I like to use fancy-pantsy words.

Well I learned a new word and will look for ways to use it myself..lol
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The gravamen of the issue here isn't that Milley spoke with the Chinese - no doubt there are protocols in place for regular contacts between superior officers in the U.S., Russia, China, etc. - and it isn't that Milley had a meeting with other high officers in the U.S. at which the protocols for the use of nuclear weapons were restated to make sure all were clear on them.

The gravamen of the issue here is that Milley colluded and conspired with Pelosi, and undoubtedly others, to improperly and illegally remove the sitting President - President Trump - from the chain of command for nuclear weapons (and perhaps in general), in violation of well-established rules for when and how the President can be removed, and he then utilized the meetings with other senior U.S. officers to implement that conspiracy, and conveyed the fact of the conspiracy and its success to the Chinese (along with who knows what else).

That is the gravamen here:  the conspiracy/collusion between a senior military officer and a political opponent of the President to illegally and improperly interfere with the President's Constitutional authority as Commander-in-Chief.

I mostly agree @Kamaji but even if there are protocols in place, the SUBSTANCE of any such calls must be approved by the CIC.
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I mostly agree @Kamaji but even if there are protocols in place, the SUBSTANCE of any such calls must be approved by the CIC.

I agree, and giving the Chinese counterpart assurances that there will be no surprise attack goes beyond what I would expect to be the typical sort of communication on these calls.  If it was an ordinary call, not requiring special review, there would be no need to give "special assurances".  On the other hand, if "special assurances" were given, that conversation should have been approved by the CinC.

As I said, the crux of the issue is not that conversations were had, but the purpose of those conversations and the tenor of what was conveyed in those conversations.

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If this is true, then why is the WH and Intelligence shredding and burning the transcripts as we speak.
If it was all normal and routine, then show us the transcripts.

If he has admitted to it, who, when, where, and why hasn't the cuffs beens slapped on.  If this isn't a "court martial" jailable offense, then what is?

Oh....  quoting the Biden family mantra probably....  Plausible Deniability
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If one goes down, they all go down. Expect everyone in Washington D.C. involved in Foreign Relations, Intelligence, or the Military to come out swinging for Milley. They are not protecting him; they are protecting themselves.
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If one goes down, they all go down. Expect everyone in Washington D.C. involved in Foreign Relations, Intelligence, or the Military to come out swinging for Milley. They are not protecting him; they are protecting themselves.

Make that bigger so everyone can see it!
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If one goes down, they all go down. Expect everyone in Washington D.C. involved in Foreign Relations, Intelligence, or the Military to come out swinging for Milley. They are not protecting him; they are protecting themselves.


Very good point.

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Pentagon Confirms Milley Conversations with Chinese Counterpart, Other Uniformed Leaders on Nukes

A spokesman for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Army Gen. Mark Milley on Wednesday confirmed some allegations contained in a new book that the chairman, allegedly fearing then-President Donald Trump would order a nuclear strike, had a meeting with other uniformed leaders and two phone calls with his Chinese counterpart.

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Behar: ‘God Bless General Milley’ — Trump Was ‘Certifiable Nut Case’

Joy Behar told her co-hosts Wednesday on ABC’s “The View” that former President Donald Trump was “a certifiable nut case” while reacting to reports on Bob Woodward and Robert Costa upcoming book’s claim Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, took steps to prevent Trump from launching nuclear weapons and called his counterpart in China.

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Behar: ‘God Bless General Milley’ — Trump Was ‘Certifiable Nut Case’

Joy Behar told her co-hosts Wednesday on ABC’s “The View” that former President Donald Trump was “a certifiable nut case” while reacting to reports on Bob Woodward and Robert Costa upcoming book’s claim Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, took steps to prevent Trump from launching nuclear weapons and called his counterpart in China.

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If President Trump was, in fact, a "certifiable nutcase" then why didn't Milley, Pelosi, and the other conspirators use the approved mechanisms for removing a disabled president from power?  Why didn't they start proceedings under the 25th Amendment?  Instead, they jumped straight to conspiring to cut President Trump out of the chain of command on nuclear weapons (and maybe other weapons or forces), effectuated that conspiracy by ensuring that the chain of command below Milley knew that Milley was "in charge", and then conveying the fact of the conspiracy and its success to the Chinese.

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   Everybody and their grandma told Trump Milley was 'Bad News'. He hired him anyway and fired the two Men against this appointment
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Behar: ‘God Bless General Milley’ — Trump Was ‘Certifiable Nut Case’
Trump was a certifiable nut! - Behar
Biden is the essence of serious, intelligent leadership. - Behar

Just to let everyone know her twisted judgement of reality. The most condemning fact is that she does not realize even in the smallest way, that she is more of a certifiable nutcase than Biden. In her warped disturbed mind, she considers herself to be the epitome of intelligence and righteousness, enlightenment, and virtue. That alone should disqualify her from judging others.
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Trump Appoints Gen. Mark Milley Chairman Of The Joint Chiefs Of Staff
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December 8, 2018  9:41 AM ET

Chief of Staff of the Army Gen. Mark Milley will become the next chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

President Trump made the announcement via Twitter on Saturday.

"I am pleased to announce my nomination of four-star Gen. Mark Milley, Chief of Staff of the United States Army — as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, replacing General Joe Dunford, who will be retiring," Trump wrote. "I am thankful to both of these incredible men for their service to our Country! Date of transition to be determined."

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Weird how Milley called China even though the country Trump did bomb twice was Syria. But that raises other questions
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The Pentagon continues to say it's normal for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs to speak with other military leaders.

This isn't the problem. It's what was said on the call that's the problem.
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McClellan was fired. MacArthur was fired. #Milley must be fired and court martialed @POTUS
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Reporters asking for transcripts of Milley's conversations with China...Kirby says no
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