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No 10 condemns 'absurd airbrushing' of Winston Churchill after charity deleted him from website - ....
Daily Mail/UK, Sep 9, 2021

No 10 Downing Street today condemned the 'absurd airbrushing' of Sir Winston Churchill's full name from the charity set up in his memory and urged its bosses to reverse the decision also branded 'ridiculous' and 're-writing history'. 

The Winston Churchill Memorial Trust removed pictures of the wartime leader from its website and is changing its name to the Churchill Fellowship, while carrying a statement on its website calling the wartime PM's views on race 'unacceptable today, a view that we share'.

Today it performed a partial U-turn, reinstating his photograph but insisted the name change will remain and pointing out that it has the support of Churchill's grandchildren. It believes the old name was 'confusing' and claim the change is not linked to his role in Britain's imperial history or an attempt to 'disown' him.

The Prime Minister's spokesman said today: 'It's completely absurd, misguided and wrong to airbrush his giant achievements and service to this country and the trust should think again'.

Trustees agreed to change its name to the Churchill Fellowship and initially erased his picture from its website, provoking a backlash at 'woke' rewriting of history and criticism of Julia Weston, the charity's £100,000-a-year chief executive.

More:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9971917/Storm-Winston-Churchill-charity-erases-website-views-race-controversy.html

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So, we are not the only stupid ones on earth...

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I assume that the wokerati will go back as far as they can to defame and slander anybody who didn't have the woke sentiments of today. That would be just about every great person in history.
Better I guess that Britain had a weak leader during WWII who would have meekly surrendered to Hitler.
The better to appease the crocodile hoping that it eats him last.
BTW, I am currently reading Churchill's six volume history of WWII. Churchill is one of my heroes.

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Just the first steps.

UK will soon adopt U.S style "wokeness", and before you know it, Churchill and Thatcher will be getting the Robert E. Lee treatment.
I display the Confederate Battle Flag in honor of my great great great grandfathers who spilled blood at Wilson's Creek and Shiloh.  5 others served in the WBTS with honor too.

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I assume that the wokerati will go back as far as they can to defame and slander anybody who didn't have the woke sentiments of today. That would be just about every great person in history.

It would be just about every *person* in history, great or otherwise.  To condemn people from the past for living and believing as people lived and believed in the past is simply provincialism - the self-righteous belief that we are better than others because we come from a better place, or a better time, than they.  And this is practiced without irony by those who simultaneously insist that no culture is superior to any other.

The historical premise of the woke is that history is purely about powerful people oppressing weak people - nothing more or less, nothing else has ever happened except that -  and the only thing for which an historical figure might be admirable is being oppressed.
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So, we are not the only stupid ones on earth...

@EdinVA

Stupidity is one of the very few things that is contagious that is not a disease.

You can always count on the lazy being willing to do less for more.
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The first thing authoritarians must do when taking over a society is remove any memory of what life was like before they took over.

Which should provide us some indication of what life will be like once they complete their takeover.

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Stupidity is one of the very few things that is contagious that is not a disease.

You can always count on the lazy being willing to do less for more.
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Ain't that the truth...

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Just the first steps.

UK will soon adopt U.S style "wokeness", and before you know it, Churchill and Thatcher will be getting the Robert E. Lee treatment.
Wake me up when they get to Nelson.

It's coming.
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No 10 Downing Street today condemned the 'absurd airbrushing' of Sir Winston Churchill's full name from the charity
set up in his memory and urged its bosses to reverse the decision also branded 'ridiculous' and 're-writing history'.
The Prime Minister's spokesman said today: 'It's completely absurd, misguided and wrong to airbrush his giant
achievements and service to this country and the trust should think again'.
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Hmm.....giant achievements & service eh??? Reality needs re-introduction here.
During Victoria's reign, the British Empire reached its apex due to the Queen and several more.
Yet the primary interest of the ruling class was in the attention and notoriety that came w/their
celebrity status; Churchill being a self-promoter eternally needy of attention.
History affirms that it is the dedicated few who achieve while it is the hangers on who crave the credit.
An early example includes his insistence on going to South Africa in 1899 as a journalist, to promote
imminent British Victory in the Boer War, which incidentally didn't happen for years.
In the interim, he got himself captured by wandering lost on horseback into a field fortification of the
Boers, for which he was imprisoned.
Far more dangerous was Churchill's attitude and behavior leading up to and into the Great War.
Also, conflict and strife continued in the south east of the continent raising war prospects.
During these years he sought a military position that would give him leverage when hostilities began,
settling for First Lord of the Admiralty. However, while this title was impressive, it had little power
in warfare as Admiral John Fisher was the Sea Lord commanding the most powerful Navy in the world.
When War erupted, Churchill promoted his strategy of invading the Ottoman Empire at the Dardanelles
and seizing Gallipoli.
The objective was to defeat the Turks, taking pressure off the Russians, who were no match for the Germans.
The majority of military deciders were opposed, yet Churchill persisted and got the go ahead in early 1915.
The assault required both Naval and Army Forces, so he requested his old pal Sir Ian Hamilton as Commander.
It went poorly from the start with 6 warships being sunk on day 1, w/ Hamilton never leaving his sea cabin to
inspect/view the landing sites.
As a result, the Army was beached on terrain only 100 meters long w/no cover before the land rose at
a steep angle of more than 35 degrees for some 700 meters, making the foothills a natural bastion for
snipers and machine gun nests.
In sum, Gallipoli lasted for 10 months inflicting 300,000 allied casualties, primarily Australian, New Zealander
and Irish; one of the great disasters of WW1.
So how did Churchill handle this during his following 50 years???
By playing duck, dodge and hide for the rest of his life.

 
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The first thing authoritarians must do when taking over a society is remove any memory of what life was like before they took over.
Especially the aspects of that former life that were good and noble.
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Hmm.....giant achievements & service eh??? Reality needs re-introduction here.
During Victoria's reign, the British Empire reached its apex due to the Queen and several more.
Yet the primary interest of the ruling class was in the attention and notoriety that came w/their
celebrity status; Churchill being a self-promoter eternally needy of attention.
History affirms that it is the dedicated few who achieve while it is the hangers on who crave the credit.
An early example includes his insistence on going to South Africa in 1899 as a journalist, to promote
imminent British Victory in the Boer War, which incidentally didn't happen for years.
In the interim, he got himself captured by wandering lost on horseback into a field fortification of the
Boers, for which he was imprisoned.
Far more dangerous was Churchill's attitude and behavior leading up to and into the Great War.
Also, conflict and strife continued in the south east of the continent raising war prospects.
During these years he sought a military position that would give him leverage when hostilities began,
settling for First Lord of the Admiralty. However, while this title was impressive, it had little power
in warfare as Admiral John Fisher was the Sea Lord commanding the most powerful Navy in the world.
When War erupted, Churchill promoted his strategy of invading the Ottoman Empire at the Dardanelles
and seizing Gallipoli. The objective was to defeat the Turks, taking pressure off the Russians,
who were no match for the Germans.
The majority of military deciders were opposed, yet Churchill persisted and got the go ahead in early 1915.
The assault required both Naval and Army Forces, so he requested his old pal Sir Ian Hamilton as Commander.
It went poorly from the start with 6 warships being sunk on day 1 w/ Hamilton never leaving his sea cabin to
inspect/view the landing sites.
As a result, the Army was beached on terrain only 100 meters long w/no cover before the land rose at
a steep angle of more than 30 degrees for some 700 meters, making the foothills a natural bastion for
snipers and machine gun nests.
Churchill's original Gallipoli plan did not include what it ended up being. Churchill's plan was for a naval bombardment of Constantinople now Istanbul and then  a landing there. The Brits attempted a naval attack early on that was mostly successful. But they didn't follow up on it.
Churchill's authority was taken over by the British military high mucky mucks.
After a month or more they decided on an invasion of the Gallipoli peninsula that was a huge failure.
But Churchill got blamed for the whole fiasco.
William Manchester wrote a two volume history of Churchill and explained why if the British brass had allowed Churchill his way with a forceful naval attack and invasion early on, it most likely would have worked and very possibly could have knocked Turkey out of the war. Turkey had few troops in the area at the time and could not have made a good defense of Constantinople.

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Churchill's original Gallipoli plan did not include what it ended up being. Churchill's plan was for a naval bombardment of Constantinople now Istanbul and then  a landing there. The Brits attempted a naval attack early on that was mostly successful. But they didn't follow up on it.
Churchill's authority was taken over by the British military high mucky mucks.
After a month or more they decided on an invasion of the Gallipoli peninsula that was a huge failure.
But Churchill got blamed for the whole fiasco.
William Manchester wrote a two volume history of Churchill and explained why if the British brass had allowed Churchill his way with a forceful naval attack and invasion early on, it most likely would have worked and very possibly could have knocked Turkey out of the war. Turkey had few troops in the area at the time and could not have made a good defense of Constantinople.
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Respectful demurral and disagreement about Churchill.
Never a fan of his or Manchester who was a cheerleader for him.

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Respectful demurral and disagreement about Churchill.
Never a fan of his or Manchester who was a cheerleader for him.
You didn't disprove my argument. Why don't you read Manchester's story about Churchill and Gallipoli. The local library probably has the volume. Churchill saved Britain from Hitler. That earns no respect from you?

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You didn't disprove my argument. Why don't you read Manchester's story about Churchill and Gallipoli. The local library probably has the volume. Churchill saved Britain from Hitler. That earns no respect from you?
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Uninterested in disproving arguments, the hobby-horse of the argumentative. You have yours; I have mine.
I read Manchester's argument and reject it, as do the majority who have analyzed the Dardanelles Campaign.
As for Churchill saving Britain from Hitler, FDR saved Britain (and Europe) from Hitler;
the reason Churchill spent the war caressing FDR'S bum.
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Uninterested in disproving arguments, the hobby-horse of the argumentative. You have yours; I have mine.
I read Manchester's argument and reject it, as do the majority who have analyzed the Dardanelles Campaign.
As for Churchill saving Britain from Hitler, FDR saved Britain (and Europe) from Hitler;
the reason Churchill spent the war caressing FDR'S bum.
We will agree to disagree. Have a nice day.  888high58888

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We will agree to disagree. Have a nice day.  888high58888
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Fair enough; kudos!