Vaccinated people safe from delta variant and other COVID-19 mutations

[mystery-ak]

Vaccinated people safe from delta variant and other COVID-19 mutations
by Cassidy Morrison, Healthcare Reporter |
 | July 01, 2021 06:16 AM

The Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson vaccines are thought to be effective against the highly transmissible delta variant, meaning another major wave of infections and hospitalizations is unlikely.

“If you're vaccinated, you are safe from the variants that are circulating here in the United States,” said Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, on Wednesday.

The delta variant, estimated to be around 60% more transmissible than the highly infectious U.K. variant, poses a threat to countries where vaccines are scarce. It has spread rapidly through India, where it was first discovered and where less than 13% of the population has received a shot. However, the U.K. has vaccinated nearly 58% of its population, but the variant accounts for more infections than all other virus strains.

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/vaccinated-people-safe-delta-variant-covid-19-mutations

[rustynail]

People may be safe but what about our pets?

Biden now claims that if you don't get vaccinated you will transmit the Delta variant to your pets.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1411052504100610056

[catfish1957]

People may be safe but what about our pets?

Biden now claims that if you don't get vaccinated you will transmit the Delta variant to your pets.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1411052504100610056

The dims are on perpetual scare tactics mode now.  They've unlocked the secret key to getting the population to capitulate to their whims...   Lilke masks, cards, and phony lockdowns.

[libertybele]

The dims are on perpetual scare tactics mode now.  They've unlocked the secret key to getting the population to capitulate to their whims...   Lilke masks, cards, and phony lockdowns.

My hubby just told me that he was watching the news and that they are claiming that those who are not vaccinated will have an 85% mortality rate from the new variant.

Meanwhile a 12 year old girl who received the vaccine is now suffering and is in a wheelchair.

85% mortality rate is pretty grim. 

There are always going to be variants of this virus but I am still not convinced that the vaccines are safe for everyone ... just ask the 12 year old sitting in a wheelchair.

By the way, I agree with you; it's all about "control" and pushing us towards socialism.

[Hoodat]

Recent Cleveland Clinic study shows naturally formed immunity from prior infection is more effective than vaccine.  Not one person in the study who had already had Covid developed a second infection.  Not a single one.  In other words, there is no reason for anyone who has survived Covid to get the vaccine.  This is what the science shows, yet the government is still pushing Covid survivors to get the vaccine.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2.full.pdf

[libertybele]

Ok, if I accept what the headline says at face value, how long are people safe from variants? 

Will people need to be vaccinated every year, just like the flu vaccine??

I'm still waiting for true mortality rates from this vaccine and also the long term effects (if any).

[The_Reader_David]

My hubby just told me that he was watching the news and that they are claiming that those who are not vaccinated will have an 85% mortality rate from the new variant.

Surely not.  The case fatality rate for the original strain is about 2.2%.  Probably your hubby misheard and misinterpreted an 85% greater mortality rate for the new variant (meaning a case fatality rate of just over 4%).  Still having a 1 in 25 chance of dying unvaccinated vs. chances on the order of less than 1 in 100,000 of a nasty side-effect from the vaccine (and probably a higher chance of the same nasty side-effect if you catch COVID -- cf. the finding that the blood clots that worried folks about J&J and Oxford vaccines occur with 20 times the frequencey in actual COVID cases), is a strong argument for getting vaccinated.

[Smokin Joe]

And still no mention of early onset treatments...

[libertybele]

And still no mention of early onset treatments...

Good point.

[jmyrlefuller]

And still no mention of early onset treatments...

Because contrary to what you heard from Jerome Corsi fronts, none have reliably been proven to work. Not a single properly designed double-blind study has shown anything more than a marginal benefit.

[Hoodat]

Because contrary to what you heard from Jerome Corsi fronts, none have reliably been proven to work. Not a single properly designed double-blind study has shown anything more than a marginal benefit.

I call BS.

[Hoodat]

Use of Ivermectin Is Associated With Lower Mortality in Hospitalized Patients With Coronavirus Disease 2019: The Ivermectin in COVID Nineteen Study

[Smokin Joe]

Because contrary to what you heard from Jerome Corsi fronts, none have reliably been proven to work. Not a single properly designed double-blind study has shown anything more than a marginal benefit.

You hand the placebo to someone infected with COVID, then.

It may not be double blind (which essentially provides NO treatment to sick people as part of the study), but there is this and an increasing body of evidence that early onset treatments provide a definite benefit.

https://www.ijidonline.com/action/showPdf?pii=S1201-9712%2820%2930534-8

https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/25658/20200512/hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin-zinc-triple-combo-proved-effective-coronavirus-patients-study.htm

I'll continue to read the journals, and spot the bogus studies where zinc was not administered, or treatment was used in late stage patients instead of early onset (remember, the strategy of the pharmacology is to stop the virus from reproducing and damaging lung cells, something most effective at the first onset of symptoms).

The strategy is to get the zinc ions into the type 1 pneumocytes ahead of the virus, and stop the virus from destroying those cells. Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, Quercetin, and other ionophores have proven successful at doing this.
Zinc is commonly used as an antiviral, even in remedies for the common cold (about 25% of which are caused by Coronaviruses).

 Please read through the articles at the links.

[Hoodat]

Treatment with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and combination in patients hospitalized with COVID-19

[jmyrlefuller]

Treatment with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and combination in patients hospitalized with COVID-19

Results of the study:
Control - 26% death
HCQ - 13% death... BUT...
HCQ+antibiotic - the same cure-all regimen the hacks keep pushing - back up to 20% death, meaning there is so much statistical inconsistency that nothing can be gleaned from it.

I know, I know... "bUt tHeY dIdN't iNcLuDe zInC!!!1"

[Smokin Joe]

The Potential Impact of Zinc Supplementation on COVID-19 Pathogenesis

From the journal Frontiers in Immunology.

Outlines the importance of zinc to the immune system and in COVID treatment.

Again, I will note that almost every study which panned the use of Hydroxychloroquine, Hydroxychloroquine and Axzithromycin, or Ivermectin and Doxycyclene, LEFT OUT THE ZINC, which is a key element in the treatment.

[Hoodat]

Results of the study:
Control - 26% death
HCQ - 13% death... BUT...
HCQ+antibiotic - the same cure-all regimen the hacks keep pushing - back up to 20% death, meaning there is so much statistical inconsistency that nothing can be gleaned from it.

I know, I know... "bUt tHeY dIdN't iNcLuDe zInC!!!1"

So hydroxychloroquine exhibited a death rate 25-50% lower than no hydroxychloroquine.  That's a tad better than marginal, don't ya think?

[Victoria33]

The UK will decide in August if they want their people to get a third vaccine shot which would begin in September.

[PeteS in CA]

Moderna vs. variants, https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-provides-clinical-update-neutralizing-activity-its-covid .

J & J vs. variants, https://www.jnj.com/positive-new-data-for-johnson-johnson-single-shot-covid-19-vaccine-on-activity-against-delta-variant-and-long-lasting-durability-of-response

Pfizer vs, variants, https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/pfizer-says-covid-vaccine-is-highly-effective-against-delta-variant-2021-06-24

That said, the Epsilon Semi-Moron variant is impervious to all vaccines, facts, and reality.

[Hoodat]

That said, the Epsilon Semi-Moron variant is impervious to all vaccines, facts, and reality.

And then there's the Zeta Full-Moron variant.

[Smokin Joe]

Results of the study:
Control - 26% death
HCQ - 13% death... BUT...
HCQ+antibiotic - the same cure-all regimen the hacks keep pushing - back up to 20% death, meaning there is so much statistical inconsistency that nothing can be gleaned from it.

I know, I know... "bUt tHeY dIdN't iNcLuDe zInC!!!1"

Yep, they didn't. About as effective as sending empty landing craft to the beach on D-Day would have been.

Ridicule away, I don't get my info from Jerome Corsi. I get it from medical journals.  I am a scientist, and can tell when studies are flawed, because they did not set up their experiment to properly test a hypothesis.

If the hypothesis is that a stool will hold a human with three legs and the study only uses two legged stools (and notes people fall over), they did not test the hypothesis, any more than  administering partial regimens to late stage patients tested the efficacy of HCQ/Zithromax/zinc, or Ivermectin/Doxycycline/Zinc. That didn't stop the GOTTA VAX community from attacking the treatments, even though the studies were critically flawed.

It turns out that SOME patients have enough zinc in their system to benefit from the ionophoric effects of HCQ or Ivermectin (or Quercetin, or Hinokitiol, or Epigallocatechin gallate, and others).

Zinc sulfate in combination with a zinc ionophore may improve outcomes in hospitalized COVID-19 patients

Ionophore (Read about the biological effects at the bottom, also the supplements people may have taken routinely which may have inadvertently saved their lives, or reduced the severity of their disease.)

This isn't a question of me proving Trump right, I really don't give a flying bleep whether he is right or not.

Instead, it is a question of the population of the whole world being denied a cheap, available treatment which could have lessened the incredible misery and millions of deaths which came with the pandemic, and could continue to do so in the future. It is about science, GOOD SCIENCE, and a doctor censored from YouTube and other venues (ever wonder why some folks end up on fringe websites? It's because they have been cancelled by more mainstream sites like twitter and fecebook, and they don't fall in line with what the MSM is selling.

Wrap your head around the fact that the whole lockdown, the whole economic devastation, the disruption of countless children's educations, Kabuki masks, and the hideous death toll and expense was for the most part, unnecessary.

Once you get there, certain people took full political advantage of the fortuitous (for them) timing of the release of the pathogen SARS-CoV-2 from the Wuhan lab, and maybe you will see some theories are just conspiracies and crimes against humanity (While the MSM celebrates 100 years of the CCP).

[Smokin Joe]

So hydroxychloroquine exhibited a death rate 25-50% lower than no hydroxychloroquine.  That's a tad better than marginal, don't ya think?

(Without the benefits of the zinc supplementation.)

[libertybele]

Who should and shouldn’t get the COVID-19 vaccine?

https://yalehealth.yale.edu/yale-covid-19-vaccine-program/who-should-and-shouldnt-get-covid-19-vaccine

[PeteS in CA]

Who should and shouldn’t get the COVID-19 vaccine?

https://yalehealth.yale.edu/yale-covid-19-vaccine-program/who-should-and-shouldnt-get-covid-19-vaccine

From the article:

Can people with allergies get the COVID-19 vaccine? Yes, in most cases with 2 exceptions:

1. People with a severe allergic reaction (anaphylaxis) to any component of either an mRNA vaccine or the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine should NOT receive that vaccine. Many people will be safely able to receive an alternate vaccine. An allergic reaction is considered severe when it is classified by a healthcare provider as an anaphylactic reaction or a person needs to be treated with epinephrine or EpiPen© or if the person must go to the hospital.

If You Are Allergic to Polyethylene Glycol (PEG) or Polysorbate

>>>> PEG and polysorbate are closely related to each other. PEG is an ingredient in the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna), and polysorbate is an ingredient in the Johnson & Johnson (J&J)/Janssen vaccine. If you are allergic to PEG, you should not get an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine. Ask your doctor if you can get the J&J/Janssen vaccine.


>>>> If you are allergic to polysorbate, you should not get the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine. Ask your doctor if you can get an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine.

2.  People with a severe allergic reaction (anaphylaxis) to any vaccine or injectable (intramuscular or intravenous) medication should consult with their health provider to assess risk prior to receiving the COVID-19 vaccine.

When I signed up for my appointment to get the first dose of Pfizer I had to go through a screening questionnaire that, among other questions about one's general health, included questions about prior allergic reactions to vaccinations and medications. That was with Rite Aid, and when I got my Shingrix vaccination at CVS/Target I did a similar questionnaire. Since my Shingrix vaccination was before any Covid vaccination was authorized for use in the US, those allergy-related questions are obviously standard practice.

[LegalAmerican]

It seems it is not true.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp_zNSEW1wc&t=1s

[Hoodat]

Review of the Emerging Evidence Demonstrating the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19

2021 Apr 22

The largest, a double-blinded RCT by Mahmud49 was conducted in Dhaka, Bangladesh, and targeted 400 patients with 363 patients completing the study. In this study, as in many other of the clinical studies to be reviewed, either a tetracycline (doxycycline) or macrolide antibiotic (azithromycin) was included as part of the treatment. The importance of including antibiotics such as doxycycline or azithromycin is unclear; however, both tetracycline and macrolide antibiotics have recognized anti-inflammatory, immunomodulatory, and even antiviral effects (58–61). Although the posted data from this study does not specify the amount of mildly ill outpatients versus hospitalized patients treated, important clinical outcomes were profoundly affected, with increased rates of early improvement (60.7% vs. 44.4% P < 0.03) and decreased rates of clinical deterioration (8.7% vs. 17.8%, P < 0.02). Given that mildly ill outpatients mainly comprised the study cohort, only 2 deaths were observed (both in the control group).

Ravikirti performed a double-blinded RCT of 115 patients, and although the primary outcome of PCR positivity on day 6 was no different, the secondary outcome of mortality was 0% versus 6.9%, P = .019.60 Babalola in Nigeria also performed a double-blinded RCT of 62 patients, and in contrast to Ravikirti, they found a significant difference in viral clearance between both the low-dose and high-dose treatment groups and controls in a dose dependent fashion, P = .006.59

Another RCT by Hashim et al53 in Baghdad, Iraq, included 140 patients equally divided; the control group received standard care, and the treated group included a combination of both outpatient and hospitalized patients. In the 96 patients with mild-to-moderate outpatient illness, they treated 48 patients with a combination of ivermectin/doxycycline and standard of care and compared outcomes with the 48 patients treated with standard of care alone. The standard of care in this trial included medicines such as dexamethasone 6 mg/d or methylprednisolone 40 mg twice per day if needed, vitamin C 1000 mg twice/day, zinc 75–125 mg/d, vitamin D3 5000 IU/day, azithromycin 250 mg/d for 5 days, and acetaminophen 500 mg as needed. Although no patients in either group progressed or died, the time to recovery was significantly shorter in the ivermectin-treated group (6.3 days vs. 13.7 days, P < 0.0001).

Chaccour et al conducted a small, double-blinded RCT in Spain where they randomized 24 patients to ivermectin versus placebo, and although they found no difference in PCR positivity at day 7, they did find statistically significant decreases in viral loads, patient days of anosmia (76 vs. 158, P < 0.05), and patient days with cough (68 vs. 98, P < 0.05).57

Another RCT of ivermectin treatment in 116 outpatients was performed by Chowdhury et al in Bangladesh where they compared a group of 60 patients treated with the combination of ivermectin/doxycycline to a group of 60 patients treated with hydroxychloroquine/doxycycline with a primary outcome of time to negative PCR.54 Although they found no difference in this outcome, in the treatment group, the time to symptomatic recovery approached statistical significance (5.9 days vs. 7.0 days, P = 0.07). In another smaller RCT of 62 patients by Podder et al, they also found a shorter time to symptomatic recovery that approached statistical significance (10.1 days vs. 11.5 days, P > 0.05, 95% CI, 0.86–3.67).55

A medical group in the Dominican Republic reported a case series of 2688 consecutive symptomatic outpatients seeking treatment in the emergency department, most whom were diagnosed using a clinical algorithm. The patients were treated with a high-dose ivermectin of 0.4 mg/kg for one dose along with 5 days of azithromycin. Remarkably, only 16 of the 2688 patients (0.59%) required subsequent hospitalization with only a single death recorded.61

In another case series of 100 patients in Bangladesh, all treated with a combination of 0.2 mg/kg ivermectin and doxycycline, they found that no patient required hospitalization nor died, and all patients' symptoms improved within 72 hours.62

A case series from Argentina reported on a combination protocol that used ivermectin, aspirin, dexamethasone, and enoxaparin. In the 135 mild illness patients, all survived.50 Similarly, a case series from Mexico of 28 consecutively treated patients with ivermectin, all were reported to have recovered with an average time to full recovery of only 3.6 days.58

[Smokin Joe]

Zinc sulfate in combination with a zinc ionophore may improve outcomes in hospitalized COVID-19 patients
Full text links


Observational Study J Med Microbiol. 2020 Oct;69(10):1228-1234.
doi: 10.1099/jmm.0.001250. Epub 2020 Sep 15.

[mountaineer]

Johnson & Johnson COVID vaccine ineffective against Delta variant, study suggests
July 20, 2021
Brendan Byrne

According to a new study, the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine is ineffective against the Indian ‘Delta’ coronavirus variant.

The findings suggest that a second dose of the J&J vaccine may be required to protect against variants, according to researchers at NYU Grossman School of Medicine.

Researchers discovered that people who received the one-shot vaccine had much lower antibody levels than those who received the two-dose Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccines.

The findings add to the mounting evidence that the 13 million Americans who received J&J will require boosters to protect against highly infectious variants. ...

Full story

[thackney]

Johnson & Johnson COVID vaccine ineffective against Delta variant, study suggests
July 20, 2021
Brendan ByrneFull story

...The data reported here differ somewhat from those reported by Jongeneelen et al. who found that Ad26.COV2.S-elicited antibody titers were mostly maintained against the variants. In addition, Alter et al. reported a 5-fold decrease in neutralizing antibody titer against Beta and 3.3-fold decrease against the Gamma variant by the sera from Ad26.COV2.S vaccination which were less pronounced than those reported here. While the studies used similar assays to measure antibody neutralization and analyzed sera collected at a similar time-point post-immunization, it is possible that differences in the study populations accounted for the experimental differences....

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.19.452771v1.full

[jmyrlefuller]

(redacted)

(redacted)

Stay on topic.

[catfish1957]

Stay on topic.

Tad heavy handed on moderating aren't we?  Their comments were COVID related on a COVID topic.  It wasn't like they were discussing kittens or anything, 

No insult intended, just feedback.

[thackney]

Dr. Vin Gupta encourages J&J vaccine recipients to get a Pfizer or Moderna booster
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/20/dr-vin-gupta-encourages-jj-vaccine-recipients-to-get-a-pfizer-or-moderna-booster.html

Intensive-care unit and lung doctor Dr. Vin Gupta told CNBC that he’s already encouraging patients who received the single-shot Johnson & Johnson Covid vaccine to get a Pfizer or Moderna booster shot amid the dramatic increase in delta variant cases across the U.S.

Gupta, a professor at the University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, told “The News with Shepard Smith” that “AstraZeneca, when combined with a Pfizer or Moderna booster, is showing tremendous levels of protection against delta, in terms of the antibody levels that are generated in patients.”

“I do think that those one-shot J&Jer’s should be given the opportunity, while we complete our clinical trial ... I’m already telling my patients to do it, if they can get access to it.”...

[jmyrlefuller]

Tad heavy handed on moderating aren't we?  Their comments were COVID related on a COVID topic.  It wasn't like they were discussing kittens or anything, 

No insult intended, just feedback.

Their comments had nothing to do with vaccines. Just hawking the same old nonsense about zinc again. It's getting tiresome having to deal with the spam. (And I am not saying this as a moderator; I don't have mod privileges on this board.)

[MOD4]

Their comments had nothing to do with vaccines. Just hawking the same old nonsense about zinc again. It's getting tiresome having to deal with the spam. (And I am not saying this as a moderator; I don't have mod privileges on this board.)

I do. Quit being a Zuckerberg. It isn't free discussion when you seek to silence other POVs.

[Hoodat]

Their comments had nothing to do with vaccines. Just hawking the same old nonsense about zinc again.

@jmyrlefuller

You want to show me where I said anything about zinc on this thread?

You asked for a double-blind study with better than marginal results.  I gave you one.  So don't lecture me about staying on topic when it was your post that I responded to.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Has a test specifically for the Delta mutation been developed?  I'm hearing from the local medical community they're still using the original Covid test.  If true across the country, how does anyone know what's going on with any new strain?    :

[mountaineer]

Good question. Maybe they just assume the current batch of positive test results are Delta.

[LegalAmerican]

Recent Cleveland Clinic study shows naturally formed immunity from prior infection is more effective than vaccine.  Not one person in the study who had already had Covid developed a second infection.  Not a single one.  In other words, there is no reason for anyone who has survived Covid to get the vaccine.  This is what the science shows, yet the government is still pushing Covid survivors to get the vaccine.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v2.full.pdf

  If anyone gets covid, 'COLD VIRUS', CORONAVIRUS....CDC says 99.97% recovery.   Then we have antibiotics, zinc, hydrocloroquine sp?.  I believe I had covid twice about 2 months apart in 2020. 

[LadyLiberty]

Has a test specifically for the Delta mutation been developed?  I'm hearing from the local medical community they're still using the original Covid test.  If true across the country, how does anyone know what's going on with any new strain?    :

It's true --- the tests that determine if someone has covid can't distinguish between the different strains.  Additional testing must be done for genetic sequencing to ID the strains, so the extra test is how they know. I doubt the run every positive to see what strain it is, just a certain percentage that can be extrapolated to have an idea of the overall picture.

[RetBobbyMI]

“ thought to be effective ”

Enough said

[jmyrlefuller]

I do. Quit being a Zuckerberg. It isn't free discussion when you seek to silence other POVs.

It wasn't my intent. But I will stand down out of respect.

[Hoodat]

It wasn't my intent. But I will stand down out of respect.

@jmyrlefuller

The point about the zinc is that there has been a concerted effort to discredit any treatment that has shown a degree of effectiveness at a low cost.  The anti-parasitic drugs fall into this category.  These treatments are not new.  Their effectiveness was discovered during the SARS-1 and MERS outbreaks, and garnered the recommendation of the NIH for the last 15 years. 

Now fast forward to 2020.  Faced with a new version of SARS, doctors combed through the research that had been posted by the NIH.  They discovered that there was already an effective treatment regiment available, and they pursued that method.  But at the same time, Fauci and our government took an active role to discredit and reverse their very own published findings.  They did so by conducting more studies, but with subtle differences to the treatment regimens that made them far less effective.

Zinc became the poster child of this discrediting attempt.  They pretended to conduct studies to  the successful and promising trials of their peers, except that they intentionally altered the study for the intent of failure.  Examples included omitting the zinc, omitting the zithromycin, waiting until patients were on respirators before starting treatment, lowering the dosages of the anti-parasitic, etc.  The VA study was particularly heinous in that they employed all of these alterations with the expressed purpose of discrediting the proven (and cheap) anti-parasitic treatment.  Thousands of our veterans died as a result.

So when @Smokin Joe brings up zinc, he is doing so to remind everyone of the dishonesty of those who falsely discredit the findings of successful treatments against SARS-2.  And unfortunately, you have bought into the false rhetoric of those behind this.

The bottom line is that there are doctors all over the world who have employed this treatment method with great success.  At the same time, there is a pharma industry working on vaccine innovations that could bring in hundreds of billions of dollars in profits.  And if they have to omit zinc from a drug cocktail in order to discredit a study and then buy off media hacks to launch a political campaign against it in order to protect that income stream, then they will do it.  So no, this isn't about zinc, zinc, zinc.  This is about people in our government lying to us and allowing people to die as a result, all in the name of mammon.

I would strongly recommend that you go back to 2005 and find out what the NIH position had been from 2005 to 2019.

[Smokin Joe]

@jmyrlefuller

The point about the zinc is that there has been a concerted effort to discredit any treatment that has shown a degree of effectiveness at a low cost.  The anti-parasitic drugs fall into this category.  These treatments are not new.  Their effectiveness was discovered during the SARS-1 and MERS outbreaks, and garnered the recommendation of the NIH for the last 15 years. 

Now fast forward to 2020.  Faced with a new version of SARS, doctors combed through the research that had been posted by the NIH.  They discovered that there was already an effective treatment regiment available, and they pursued that method.  But at the same time, Fauci and our government took an active role to discredit and reverse their very own published findings.  They did so by conducting more studies, but with subtle differences to the treatment regimens that made them far less effective.

Zinc became the poster child of this discrediting attempt.  They pretended to conduct studies to  the successful and promising trials of their peers, except that they intentionally altered the study for the intent of failure.  Examples included omitting the zinc, omitting the zithromycin, waiting until patients were on respirators before starting treatment, lowering the dosages of the anti-parasitic, etc.  The VA study was particularly heinous in that they employed all of these alterations with the expressed purpose of discrediting the proven (and cheap) anti-parasitic treatment.  Thousands of our veterans died as a result.

So when @Smokin Joe brings up zinc, he is doing so to remind everyone of the dishonesty of those who falsely discredit the findings of successful treatments against SARS-2.  And unfortunately, you have bought into the false rhetoric of those behind this.

The bottom line is that there are doctors all over the world who have employed this treatment method with great success.  At the same time, there is a pharma industry working on vaccine innovations that could bring in hundreds of billions of dollars in profits.  And if they have to omit zinc from a drug cocktail in order to discredit a study and then buy off media hacks to launch a political campaign against it in order to protect that income stream, then they will do it.  So no, this isn't about zinc, zinc, zinc.  This is about people in our government lying to us and allowing people to die as a result, all in the name of mammon.

I would strongly recommend that you go back to 2005 and find out what the NIH position had been from 2005 to 2019.

Precisely. And for those who have had the jab, there are possible complications. Please be aware of those and vigilant.

I won't say what they are because I will again be accused of spamming.

Read them yourself, in the Medical Journals.

Ischaemic stroke can follow COVID-19 vaccination but is much more common with COVID-19 infection itself

Is complement the culprit behind COVID-19 vaccine-related adverse reactions?

Covid-19: Rare immune response may cause clots after AstraZenecavaccine, say researchers

I'm not sure which jab my Father had, but he has had a few TIAs since (none before).

As for other well worn issues, I only offer the following as a token  of my research into treatment.

Controlled  randomized  clinical  trial  on  using  Ivermectin  with  Doxycycline  for  treating COVID-19 patients in Baghdad, Iraq

Potential role of zinc supplementation in prophylaxis and treatment of COVID-19

Can Zn Be a Critical Element in COVID-19 Treatment?

Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of COVID-19: results of an open-label non-randomized clinical trial

Early treatment of COVID-19 patients with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin: A retrospective analysis of 1061 cases in Marseille, France

Zinc(II)—The Overlooked Éminence Grise of Chloroquine’s Fight against COVID-19?

And many others linked on the sites (mostly NIH) as references or related.

But not to be found on CNN...

[art.prout]

Thank you Mr. Joe and Mr. Hoodat.

I appreciate all of the useful information that you are providing here!

[LegalAmerican]

Thank you Mr. Joe and Mr. Hoodat.

I appreciate all of the useful information that you are providing here!

I agree and people need to know, some will die from Heart Attacks,  Cancer, diabetes, high blood pressure, etc. People need to get a grip.  This is a NEW COMMON COLD VIRUS.. we will always have them.  People have died before from a common cold virus. It depends how your body can fight it. I have read this 'new virus' has never been "found'. Sequenced.
So, how can one develop a vaccine for a virus that cannot be documented?  What are they using?  I read, in North Carolina,  Walgreens, AND in India some people are being injected with saline water.  Nothing hurtful about that. 
But how and why?  "MISTAKES'.  I doubt it.  We are all being scammed. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pp4uXLCFEHM

[LegalAmerican]

People are over reacting.  If they did this about measles...we are such sheep. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arnZFN97XR0

[PeteS in CA]

People are over reacting.  If they did this about measles...we are such sheep. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arnZFN97XR0

Irrelevant. Mumbai is in India, not the US.