TBR Presidential Straw Poll (5/21)

[corbe]

Hey @corbe !

Hw about a poll of who is considered to be conservative enough to be the next GOP Candidate for POTUS/VPOTUS?

   @Smokin Joe Thanks for the suggestion


   You get 3 votes the first two don't count.


A way too early guide to the 2024 Republican primary

The ‘invisible primary’ is underway and here’s a list of potential contenders, based on early polling, interviews with Republican donors and strategists and results from online political betting markets

By D. Hunter Schwarz  Apr 4, 2021, 10:00pm MDT

The 2024 Republican primary is already here.

Though, we’re still more than 1,300 days away from the next presidential election, potential candidates are already making stops in early caucus and primary states and working behind the scenes to prepare for a possible run.

Late last month, C-SPAN kicked off its “Road to the White House” coverage with a speech by former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in Iowa, and former Vice President Mike Pence is scheduled to give the keynote at a dinner for a social conservative group in South Carolina on April 29.

The lead up to the next presidential election is different than past years because of former President Donald Trump. He’s eligible to run for a second term, and has publicly toyed with the idea while also weighing in on other Republicans he thinks could be the future of the party. If Trump does run, he’d start out with unparalleled name ID and massive support, but if he doesn’t, the field could be wide open for other Republicans hoping to win over his supporters. President Joe Biden said recently he expects to run for reelection in 2024.

This early on, wannabe candidates must raise their profiles, show their commitment to the party, and raise money, one Republican strategist said, to get on people’s radars even when your candidacy is in a holding pattern.

Some of the most visible 2024 hopefuls will surely flame out long before the Iowa caucus, and there’s always the chance that the next Republican nominee isn’t yet considered a serious player (at this point in the 2016 cycle, Trump was hosting the 13th season of “The Apprentice”). There’s a million and one things that will happen between now and then that will shape the race in ways we can’t now predict, but the “invisible primary” that comes before any votes are cast has started.

Here’s your very early guide to some of 2024’s potential contenders, based on early polling, interviews with Republican donors and strategists and results from online political betting markets.

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https://www.deseret.com/2021/4/4/22320128/early-guide-to-the-2024-republican-primary-trump-pence-desantis-pompeo-romney-haley-noem-cruz-hawley

[Hoodat]

Is that Rand Paul or Ron Paul?

[corbe]

   It's R. Paul, @Hoodat are you stoned?   


   Rand obviously, he can appoint his Father to the FED board, if he's still alive.

   I think Ron reminds me too much of Pat Paulsen.

[Hoodat]

By popular demand:

[corbe]

   That's the only tatoo I have @Hoodat though even he's looked a little ragged.   

   *iT'S NOT ON MY AZZ.

[libertybele]

   It's R. Paul, @Hoodat are you stoned?   


   Rand obviously, he can appoint his Father to the FED board, if he's still alive.

   I think Ron reminds me too much of Pat Paulsen.

There right there gave me a chuckle.

[libertybele]

Really great list  @corbe

My 3:

Cruz, Pompeo and Cotton 

Hawley is wishy-washy on the 2A,  so he's out.  Rand is great on domestic issues, but not real thrilled with his isolationist ideals (though his stance may have changed). so he's out. Noem favors a pathway to citizenship for illegals, so she's out. Trump I think is going to be too old to run again (boo hiss from many on this forum, I get it), so he's out. DeSantis has had some issues here in FL and is not very articulate, so he's out.  Ziggy ... well ... he serves a purpose and maybe if we just keep everyone stoned we'll see some peace instead of all the violent lunacy!

[Smokin Joe]

Just for fun, add in Marjorie Taylor Greene... or maybe a veep string?

[Victoria33]

Desantis. Exceptional military knowledge/experience in foreign countries.  Exceptional law experience. Knowledge how government works.

[libertybele]

Oops....gee...I forgot Pence.  He's a traitor so, he definitely out!   

[libertybele]

Just for fun, add in Marjorie Taylor Greene... or maybe a veep string?

Agreed.  She's definitely a spitfire!

[corbe]

Just for fun, add in Marjorie Taylor Greene... or maybe a veep string?

   Done @Smokin Joe

[libertybele]

Ok, since Greene is included .... I vote a Cruz/Greene ticket or a Pompeo/Cotton ticket.

[Smokin Joe]

Ok, since Greene is included .... I vote a Cruz/Greene ticket or a Pompeo/Cotton ticket.

I like Cruz/Greene, but would not dismiss a DeSantis/Greene ticket either. Give her a term or two as veep, and she could move up and kick butt.

[corbe]

   Since I included another option I increased the vote from 3 to 4.

[Cyber Liberty]

Oh, goody!  Time for a Saturday Night bloodbath!!

 

[Cyber Liberty]

   It's R. Paul, @Hoodat are you stoned?   


   Rand obviously, he can appoint his Father to the FED board, if he's still alive.

   I think Ron reminds me too much of Pat Paulsen.

I had lunch with Pat once, and drove him around Tempe for awhile, back in the 80's.  Funny guy to the bone.

[corbe]

   I promise to send PM's to you and Myst if this Thread derails quickly and I need the Big Boys to step in and Lock It.
   Cruz threads seem to be back in vouge, it seems   
   In spite of the consternations of @DCPatriot this will be 'Cruz Central' by July.   

[Cyber Liberty]

   I promise to send PM's to you and Myst if this Thread derails quickly and I need the Big Boys to step in and Lock It.
   Cruz threads seem to be back in vouge, it seems   
   In spite of the consternations of @DCPatriot this will be 'Cruz Central' by July.   

Hey, you got the green boxes.  Police your own mess.   

[mystery-ak]

I only voted for one....Desantis all the way....

[mystery-ak]

   I promise to send PM's to you and Myst if this Thread derails quickly and I need the Big Boys to step in and Lock It.
   Cruz threads seem to be back in vouge, it seems   
   In spite of the consternations of @DCPatriot this will be 'Cruz Central' by July.   

Don't come crying to me...

[BassWrangler]

I only voted for one....Desantis all the way....

Heavy-D FTW!

[corbe]

Don't come crying to me...

    You know I always take my microaggressions out on other poor, unsuspecting Briefers, I try real hard to keep Management out of my BS.

[Wingnut]

Desantis. Exceptional military knowledge/experience in foreign countries.  Exceptional law experience. Knowledge how government works.

Well tickle my ass with a feather.

[libertybele]

   I promise to send PM's to you and Myst if this Thread derails quickly and I need the Big Boys to step in and Lock It.
   Cruz threads seem to be back in vouge, it seems   
   In spite of the consternations of @DCPatriot this will be 'Cruz Central' by July.   

  

[Wingnut]

Don't come crying to me...

It's his party and he'll cry if he wants too.
-L. Corbe Gore.

[libertybele]

DeSantis is leading in this poll.  To all those who think he's presidential material, seriously, sit and listen to one of his speeches and one of his question and answer sessions.  He uses "um" and "er" a lot and I hate to bring him up, but IMHO he's less articulate than "W".  To me, it's a real drawback. 

He doesn't have the ability to connect with people. Of course after Trump, that's going to be difficult.  Trump had the absolutely ability to connect with people and draw crowds.

I haven't sat and listened to a Pompeo or Cotton speech; something to consider is a potential candidate's ability to connect with people.

Many disagree with me in here, but Cruz is articulate and connects with the Tea Party mindset.  I think he's taken some tips from Trump over the years.

Greene, well, she I believe has the ability to connect with people.

[montanajoe]

Anybody but Trump...

Marked Desantis Cotton Cruz Hawley in that order...

Hawley because only have three of the four blanks I'd consider voting for... he is a Trump supporter so was a throw away,  2A as noted also.. ...

[libertybele]

Anybody but Trump...

Marked Desantis Cotton Cruz Hawley in that order...

I'm concerned with Hawley on the 2A. Anyone who is squishy on the 2A needs to be passed over.

[Smokin Joe]

I'm concerned with Hawley on the 2A. Anyone who is squishy on the 2A needs to be passed over.

Right. That's one litmus test that can be an instant deal breaker.

[jafo2010]

This poll is meaningless.

Does anyone seriously believe for a nanosecond that IF Trump runs, he will not get the nomination?  And does anyone believe for a nanosecond with his ego and his energy he will not run?  His 78 is not a Biden 78.  Trump is an anomaly.  He will not be seen collapsing down steps like Hillary, and left to sit and mumble his way through things like senile ole Joe. 

He will run, so this poll for now should focus on WHO he will select as his VP.  That's the real question.  Does he select someone that will be able to run in the next election, or does he pick someone to win a certain element of the electorate?  Or to capture a coin toss state?   DeSantis would be my #1 for VP to run for 2028.  If he goes for attracting female voters, a stated weakness by the media with suburban women, then I would think Noem would be the choice.

Cruz will NEVER be the Republican candidate.  He lacks integrity, I do not care how smart he is.

Or perhaps he picks another Pence type, someone of limited visibility that will support and help him.  It will not be Pence again, his political career is over.

And this poll left out two perenials, the postman's son and Rick 'I came in second' Santorum.  And then there will be a Ben Sasse, or someone that is a Never Trumper running like him.  Count on it.

[BassWrangler]

I'm concerned with Hawley on the 2A. Anyone who is squishy on the 2A needs to be passed over.

OH, I did not know that, but I agree if he's not a strong supporter of 2A rights, we need to pass.

[Smokin Joe]

This poll is meaningless.

Does anyone seriously believe for a nanosecond that IF Trump runs, he will not get the nomination?  And does anyone believe for a nanosecond with his ego and his energy he will not run?  His 78 is not a Biden 78.  Trump is an anomaly.  He will not be seen collapsing down steps like Hillary, and left to sit and mumble his way through things like senile ole Joe. 

He will run, so this poll for now should focus on WHO he will select as his VP.  That's the real question.  Does he select someone that will be able to run in the next election, or does he pick someone to win a certain element of the electorate?  Or to capture a coin toss state?   DeSantis would be my #1 for VP to run for 2028.  If he goes for attracting female voters, a stated weakness by the media with suburban women, then I would think Noem would be the choice.

Cruz will NEVER be the Republican candidate.  He lacks integrity, I do not care how smart he is.

Or perhaps he picks another Pence type, someone of limited visibility that will support and help him.  It will not be Pence again, his political career is over.

And this poll left out two perenials, the postman's son and Rick 'I came in second' Santorum.  And then there will be a Ben Sasse, or someone that is a Never Trumper running like him.  Count on it.

Let's suppose Trump does run.

Keep Cruz in the Senate, I prefer him over Mitch. States need solid leadership.

But to chase the Trump base, to have another firebrand in training at VP, and to capture the women's vote, I like Greene.

If the elections aren't straightened out and the fraud minimized (nothing like last time), it won't matter.

[Wingnut]

This poll is meaningless.

You mean like a Frank Luntz poll?

[BassWrangler]

You mean like a Frank Luntz poll?

OK, well not THAT bad...

[Wingnut]

OK, well not THAT bad...

   LOL

[jafo2010]

Frank Luntz poll, that is funny.  Tucker Carlson nailed him nicely.  After all I heard, I would not waste one second to hear what he has to say.  Haven't seen him on Fox lately either. 

Bottomline, if Trumps runs, he wins the Republican nomination.  Winning the general for a Republican remains to be seen.  I now believe that all electronic voting is corrupt and I want manual voting only in the future.

Anyone here dispute the certainty that if Trump runs he wins the Republican nomination?  And knowing his ego and competitiveness, the only thing that would stop him is ill health or not being with us.  I say come two years from now, he is not skipping a beat, and has the energy of a 40 year old.

[BassWrangler]

Frank Luntz poll, that is funny.  Tucker Carlson nailed him nicely.  After all I heard, I would not waste one second to hear what he has to say.  Haven't seen him on Fox lately either. 

Bottomline, if Trumps runs, he wins the Republican nomination.  Winning the general for a Republican remains to be seen.  I now believe that all electronic voting is corrupt and I want manual voting only in the future.

Anyone here dispute the certainty that if Trump runs he wins the Republican nomination?  And knowing his ego and competitiveness, the only thing that would stop him is ill health or not being with us.  I say come two years from now, he is not skipping a beat, and has the energy of a 40 year old.

I suspect Luntz business is in trouble. I mean what Republican would hire this guy now?

[Bigun]

I suspect Luntz business is in trouble. I mean what Republican would hire this guy now?

I'm not aware of individual candidates hiring him but he sure is a media darling.

[corbe]

  I'm almost in agreement with @jafo2010 BUT this Luntz guy has got to be a better pollster than me.

[jafo2010]

Since most polls are controlled by corrupt media, or or groups like Pew, who are heavily funded by folks like George Soros, one cannot trust polls any longer.

And then there is the harsh reality that it does not matter who folks vote for, as long as we have electronic voting, the vote will be messaged such that the "1s" and "0s" select whoever controls the code.  Right now, that is the Democommies. 

[Smokin Joe]

Since most polls are controlled by corrupt media, or or groups like Pew, who are heavily funded by folks like George Soros, one cannot trust polls any longer.

And then there is the harsh reality that it does not matter who folks vote for, as long as we have electronic voting, the vote will be messaged such that the "1s" and "0s" select whoever controls the code.  Right now, that is the Democommies.

I trust them, but not for a guide to what people are thinking.

They are there to set the points spread for the collective, so whatever the fraud produces will be close to the poll values.