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I guess I don’t see conservatism as a political construct but more a condition of the individual’s soul. Again, the constitution is fine as originally written and will enable the order you describe if the voters have their heads and hearts right. You can’t force that from the top down.

Your beef is with the progressivism of the past 150 years and more specifically with its author, the Old Man, the Father of Lies of the Old Testament. It certainly isnt with me or most of those like me.

That depends entirely on how one defines Conservatism - In the greater sense, in the light of great minds (No doubt, Kirk and Burke in modernity) Conservatism is a defined set of principles leading to a way of life - the mindset you infer... But Conservatism as it touches politics, that defined by Goldwater and Reagan is certainly a political construct, and an offshoot of that greater set.

There is a reason why Conservatism (as it touches politics) is not merely civil libertarianism... But includes fiscal, defense, and social aspects too.

For an example of how wrong it can go without those principles, one need look no further than what has happened to classic liberalism as historically defined, as compared to the liberalism of today. The very same is happening to Conservatism, as folks try to hyphenate what it is.

And no - I do not have any beef with you. I agree with you as much as anyone on this board. It is more the children that are spawned from yet another hyphenated movement that will not know from whence these principles come (taken for granted when not defined), or that they understand them at all. Hence the charge of bumper-sticker sloganeering.

In FACT, words mean things.

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The Constitution addresses the power, responsibilities and limitations of the three branches of government and the rights of the states and the people.

Serious deviation from from those powers, responsibilities and limitations has taken place by both parties and power has been taken away from the states little by little and our rights have been infringed.

The Constitution is being ignored by all branches of government.

Get back to adhering strictly to the Constitution and our Republic will be renewed.  Getting leadership to form a party to do just that is IMHO what is needed and once that party is built -- raise the Stars and Stripes proudly!

While I am in solid agreement with the sentiment, being as libertarian as anyone here, it is not enough. It is to you, and in your view, because your view is fundamentally sound - using 'fundamental' in its most restrictive sense. You are far right, and in that your view (interpretation) will be reasonably right. Others, not so much. Hence the current dilemma within the Republican party.

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Whats anti-conservative about putting the country first?


They didn't.

They were anti-Trump RINO traitors.

Write their names down on the Big Black List.
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Republicans start planning ‘Center Right’ third party in repudiation of Trump: Report
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/02/11/republicans-start-planning-center-right-third-party-in-repudiation-of-trump-report-1028621/

"Center-Right" is RINO-speak for socialist left.

The so-called "right" is actually the political center.
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Any true working 3rd party is going to have to have a strong 50 state base, and at least 10-20% of the existing most conservative in DC. To really get this going to have any success by 2024, better start pretty quickly.

Doesn't matter when it starts, it's only purpose will be to elect Democrats.

Which is what that gang of losers in the OP want to do.
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Lol. You just rejected the literal description of the government Ben Franklin challenged us to keep.

You'll notice that we failed that challenge.

First the Republic was self-cancelled with the 17th Amendment.

Now we have elections stolen in broad daylight and the Fourth Estate applauds.
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Doesn't matter when it starts, it's only purpose will be to elect Democrats.

 

@Sled Dog

Not true!

It's prime purpose is to keep the current RINO's in office,and to elect new RINO's to replace any that die or retire.
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I made it as far in the article until Evan McMullin was mentioned.

This so-called conservative had his pac spend a fortune to campaign for Doug Jones (far left liberal) against Roy Moore.

Lets just say I come about as close as possible to cursing here about this group as possible and only in respect to Myst do I refrain. 
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More than a hundred former Republican officials, who view the party as unwilling to stand up to former President Donald Trump, are in talks to form a center-right breakaway party, four people involved in the discussions told Reuters

Hey, if they go we don't have to.
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Reluctantly, should Trump lead a break away new party, it will probably be the best of a bad situation.  Trump has the bulk of the American people behind him.  Even without immediate success, there will be three parties and as the Republicans like to throw monkey wrenches into the works on timely efforts to greatly benefit democrats.  People can finally see (if they don't now already) what the democrats intend, our national destruction.  The Republicans betraying the people for love of the democrats, on an opportune-timely basis, must end.  In a very short time it will become clear, if it isn't already, that a Trump party is the one choice America has left to survive.  It has become so bad that a third party maybe the only serious choice the nation has to reject its political deep state cancers and survive.  The deep state understands that and that is why their are so foaming at the mouth about Trump, Trump is the last life boat/opportunity  and they want it desperately sunk.
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