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Tom McDonald: Fake Woke...
« on: February 07, 2021, 08:01:37 pm »
Again I offer an odyssey...

Again a warning WRT content: This is Rap music... And it looks ROUGH... but bear with me...

This guy Tom McDonald, like Adam Calhoun, is a breakout independent rapper...
This song, 'Fake Woke' is a week old and has already garnered 4.8m views.

First, those are CRAZY numbers. And considering the content and the skyrocketing numbers and trending, YooToob has to be itching to pull the trigger and censor this song.

But again, the fun, the odyssey, is in the reactions to it... Listen to the song, sure, but then type into Youtoob, 'Reaction: Tom McDonald Fake Woke' and peruse the results, particularly for the black reactions, and you will be pleasantly surprised.

This cannot be ignored, these rappers bringing it home to black culture, and their reaction to it on their home ground.


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"Fake Woke"

I think it's crazy I'm the one who they labeled as controversial
And Cardi B is the role model for twelve year old girls
There's rappers pushing Xanax at the top of the Billboard
But if I mention race in a song I'm scared I'll get killed for it
It's backwards, it's getting exponentially dumb
It's more difficult to get a job than purchase a gun
Eminem used to gay bash and murder his mom
And now he doesn't want fans if they voted for Trump
We're ashamed to be American, you should probably love it
'Cause you have the right to say it and not get strung up in public
[Video version: "Cause you have the right to hate it and not get stoned to death in public"]
As children we were taught how to walk and talk
But the system wants adults to sit down and shut up
Cancel culture runs the world now, the planet went crazy
Label everything we say as homophobic or racist
If you're white then you're privileged, guilty by association
All our childhood heroes got MeToo'd or they're rapists

They never freed the slaves, they realized that they don't need the chains
They gave us tiny screens, we think we free 'cause we can't see the cage
They knew that race war would be the game they'd need to play
For people to pick teams, they use the media to feed the flame

They so fake woke, facts don't care about feelings
They know they won't tell me what to believe in
They so fake woke, same old, safe zones
They so fake woke, facts don't care about your feelings

I think it's crazy how these people screaming "facts" but they fake woke
Hate their neighbor 'cause he wears a mask or he stays home
Has a daughter but his favorite artist said he slays hoes
Picks her up from school, music slaps on the way home
Censorship's an issue 'cause they choose what they erase
There's a difference between hate speech and speech that you hate
I think Black Lives Matter was the stupidest name
When the system's screwing everyone exactly the same
I just wanna spend Thanksgiving Day with food and my family
Without being accused of celebrating native casualties
We got so divided as black and white and political
Republicans are bigots, libtards if you're liberal
There's riots in our streets and it's just getting worse
Y'all screaming defund the police, y'all are genius for sure
They're underfunded already, they're way too busy to work
Order food and call the cops, see what reaches you first

Segregation ended, that's a lie in itself
That was a strategy to make us think that we're trying to help
They knew that racism was hot if they designed it to sell
We buy up every single box and divide us ourselves

They so fake woke, facts don't care about feelings
They know they won't tell me what to believe in
They so fake woke, same old, safe zones
They so fake woke, facts don't care about your feelings

Use violence to get peace and wonder why it isn't working
That's like sleeping with a football team to try and be a virgin
Politicians are for sale and someone always makes the purchase
But you and I cannot afford it, our democracy is worthless
If a man has mental illness call him crazy, say it silently
When country's going crazy we accept it as society
Get sick and take a pill when the side effects get you high
You get addicted like these rappers dying fighting with sobriety
Censoring the facts turns our children into idiots
They claim it's for our safety, I'll tell you what it really is
Removing information that empowers all the citizens
The truth doesn't damage points of view that are legitimate
They're tryna change amen to amen and women
How'd we let them make praying a microaggression?
Instead of asking God for the strength to keep winning
We cheat to get ahead and then we ask Him for forgiveness

Feminism used to be the most righteous of fights
But these days it feels like they secretly hate guys
I don't trust anyone who bleeds for a week and don't die
I'm just kidding, but everything else that I said is right

They so fake woke, facts don't care about feelings
They know they won't tell me what to believe in
They so fake woke, same old, safe zones
They so fake woke, facts don't care about your feelings

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Re: Tom McDonald: Fake Woke...
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2021, 08:58:25 pm »
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Now, y'all know I would be more likely found listening to some Alan Jackson, George Strait, or maybe Zac Brown Band...

But y'all need to look at this. The music sucks to me, but look at what this guy is saying, speaking right into the heart of black culture. And look at how he is received as one of a very few white rappers.

And what an impact, to see black folks agreeing hands down with what he is saying. Look at the likes vs dislikes on reactions. Read down the comments a bit.

This pierces through woke bullcrap and media portrayed 'black thinking' way more than Candace Owens ever could.

And it is a comfort to me to see it.
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Re: Tom McDonald: Fake Woke...
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2021, 09:28:08 pm »
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Now, y'all know I would be more likely found listening to some Alan Jackson, George Strait, or maybe Zac Brown Band...

But y'all need to look at this. The music sucks to me, but look at what this guy is saying, speaking right into the heart of black culture. And look at how he is received as one of a very few white rappers.

And what an impact, to see black folks agreeing hands down with what he is saying. Look at the likes vs dislikes on reactions. Read down the comments a bit.

This pierces through woke bullcrap and media portrayed 'black thinking' way more than Candace Owens ever could.

And it is a comfort to me to see it.
Black folks ain't anywhere near as 'in the liberal bag' as they would have you believe.

Just my opinion here and some observations. It is not you or I who they want believing that they are liberal; they want Big Brother believing that they are liberal.  More and more are quite the opposite -- they are playing Big Brother's game to their benefit and Big Brother is too out of reality to notice.  Some will always believe that Big Brother has their best interests in mind and will continue to allow the gov't to keep them down. 

To his credit Trump did open some of their eyes.  Lowest black unemployment in history under a Republican president.  Pardons were granted to blacks who had been wrongly incarcerated; again, this happened under a Republican president. Trump did for the Blacks.

Yes BLM and Antifa are a problem, as well as other subversive groups, and under Biden/Harris there will be a renewed push to focus on how Whites have suppressed them.  They will play along to their benefit; they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

I've said it before; it is going to take Blacks and Whites coming together in harmony to defeat the socialists/marxists and some Blacks realize this. We are all brothers and sisters living together under the thumb of Big gov't who will continue to try to keep us divided; they know IF we are able to come together, we WILL win.  I have absolutely no doubt.

It IS time for peace and harmony.  Smile on your brothers and sisters.
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Re: Tom McDonald: Fake Woke...
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2021, 09:38:22 pm »
A distraction, if you would, at your convenience... I am not really looking for comment wrt the song format or the freaky looks of the guy, but more an analysis of content, understanding that this is a hugely popular rap song, and very well received.

There is something here that should be examined. If you don't want to play my game, at least read the lyrics and ponder the impact, considering the popularity.

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Re: Tom McDonald: Fake Woke...
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2021, 09:43:00 pm »
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The music sucks to me, but look at what this guy is saying, speaking right into the heart of black culture.
I can't stand to listen to it, but would hope that the lyrics hit both black and white youth - all of whom have been indoctrinated by their schools and popular culture into unthinking "wokeness" - right between the eyes.
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2021, 09:54:35 pm »
A distraction, if you would, at your convenience... I am not really looking for comment wrt the song format or the freaky looks of the guy, but more an analysis of content, understanding that this is a hugely popular rap song, and very well received.

There is something here that should be examined. If you don't want to play my game, at least read the lyrics and ponder the impact, considering the popularity.

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Re: Tom McDonald: Fake Woke...
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2021, 10:01:03 pm »
Just my opinion here and some observations. It is not you or I who they want believing that they are liberal; they want Big Brother believing that they are liberal.  More and more are quite the opposite -- they are playing Big Brother's game to their benefit and Big Brother is too out of reality to notice.  Some will always believe that Big Brother has their best interests in mind and will continue to allow the gov't to keep them down.


Understand me when I say I have little to go on wrt racial matters, living where I am. There ain't but a handful of blacks here (and one of them is my BIL, and another my nephew). I remember the division in Chicago, in my youth, and I remember interaction with some pretty redneck blacks in my travels (*South, and lower Midwest, construction, farm, and loading docks), where no division was apparent...

At that time, I concluded that the racial turmoil was largely contained to inner cities - Blacks and whites elsewhere otherwise may live separately in communities (which is fine with me), but they tend to interact civilly where they do interact.

But over the years, I guess, since retiring from my travels, I had let Big Media draw a picture that I am finding out really ain't so. Seems to me, as I said, my first conclusions probably were right, and even more so, according to the reactions to this, even the hood knows the truth of it.

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To his credit Trump did open some of their eyes.  Lowest black unemployment in history under a Republican president.  Pardons were granted to blacks who had been wrongly incarcerated; again, this happened under a Republican president. Trump did for the Blacks.

I will accept that, and give him that credit. But I am thinking there is something bigger going on that has been bubbling a long time.

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Yes BLM and Antifa are a problem, as well as other subversive groups, and under Biden/Harris there will be a renewed push to focus on how Whites have suppressed them.  They will play along to their benefit; they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

By and large, I think they are among the 'fake woke' and do not represent real black folks at all. I offered a similar odyssey around two songs by Adam Calhoun - 'Racism' and 'Patriot' - Again an independent white rapper, Again, very rough lyrics, but he too gets much acclaim. Go look at the reactions to those songs too, and you will no doubt develop an understanding that Antifa and BLM are a paper thin contrivance, and do not represent the black folks.

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I've said it before; it is going to take Blacks and Whites coming together in harmony to defeat the socialists/marxists and some Blacks realize this. We are all brothers and sisters living together under the thumb of Big gov't who will continue to try to keep us divided; they know IF we are able to come together, we WILL win.  I have absolutely no doubt.

It IS time for peace and harmony.  Smile on your brothers and sisters.

That's right - And according to the reactions, that ain't that hard to do. The hood and the Trailer park are the same dang thing.

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Re: Tom McDonald: Fake Woke...
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2021, 10:07:35 pm »
I can't stand to listen to it, but would hope that the lyrics hit both black and white youth - all of whom have been indoctrinated by their schools and popular culture into unthinking "wokeness" - right between the eyes.

Yeah, I don't like it either... It just ain't my bag if I can't whistle the tune or at least sing it... But different strokes, right? And this guy is 'spitting facts' deep into what one would consider to be hostile territory... And I am finding out that ain't so hostile.


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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2021, 10:34:52 pm »
Understand me when I say I have little to go on wrt racial matters, living where I am. There ain't but a handful of blacks here (and one of them is my BIL, and another my nephew). I remember the division in Chicago, in my youth, and I remember interaction with some pretty redneck blacks in my travels (*South, and lower Midwest, construction, farm, and loading docks), where no division was apparent...

At that time, I concluded that the racial turmoil was largely contained to inner cities - Blacks and whites elsewhere otherwise may live separately in communities (which is fine with me), but they tend to interact civilly where they do interact.

But over the years, I guess, since retiring from my travels, I had let Big Media draw a picture that I am finding out really ain't so. Seems to me, as I said, my first conclusions probably were right, and even more so, according to the reactions to this, even the hood knows the truth of it.

I will accept that, and give him that credit. But I am thinking there is something bigger going on that has been bubbling a long time.

By and large, I think they are among the 'fake woke' and do not represent real black folks at all. I offered a similar odyssey around two songs by Adam Calhoun - 'Racism' and 'Patriot' - Again an independent white rapper, Again, very rough lyrics, but he too gets much acclaim. Go look at the reactions to those songs too, and you will no doubt develop an understanding that Antifa and BLM are a paper thin contrivance, and do not represent the black folks.

That's right - And according to the reactions, that ain't that hard to do. The hood and the Trailer park are the same dang thing.

Exactly right.  BLM/Antifa do not represent real black folks.  Not by a long shot.  Like him or not or whether you think he wasn't conservative; one thing Trump absolutely did have the ability to do, was rally like minded people who wanted to see American stay great; Black and White.  Definitely NOT what gov't wanted and that is one thing they feared about him.  They need to keep the divide in order to conquer and control.  Once that divide is gone, then ALL people will be able to take back our gov't.

The hood and the trailer park?  Take it a step further ... the hood, the trailer parks, the burbs... we all put our socks on one foot at a time, and money does NOT make one person better than the other.  Another aim of the gov't is to divide us by class warfare. We cannot continue to allow that to happen. That's going to be the harder of the divisiveness that needs to be overcome. I live in a modest home but have more than some and others live in bigger homes and have more than I.  So what for crying out loud?  We all need to come together, use our resources and figure out how to keep our Republic. 

No racial division, no class warfare that has been inflicted for decades by our gov't and we WILL win.  I have no doubt.

The mindset of people needs to be changed and I don't know if at this juncture it can be changed, but regardless if you voted for Biden, Trump, or someone else, we have ALL lost.  Some just don't realize it yet.
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Re: Tom McDonald: Fake Woke...
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2021, 11:02:33 pm »
The mindset of people needs to be changed and I don't know if at this juncture it can be changed, but regardless if you voted for Biden, Trump, or someone else, we have ALL lost.  Some just don't realize it yet.

That's just it - There is already agreement - minds do not need to be changed - they already know.

The 'trailer park vs the hood' thing is borrowed from Adam Calhoun's 'Racism'.
He wanders through various stereotypes comparing white trash to hillbillies/rednecks, and then comparing n****** to black folks... Reaching this conclusion:

F*** it though, you a n***a and I'm just a cracker
They pin us against each other, sit back and they watch it happen

In the hood they selllin' crack, and killin' over shoes and jackets
In the trailer park they fall apart, a bunch of meth addicts

And the bolded got huge acclaim. Everybody says that's right. Now, what he is saying is that everybody tends to paint with the lowest common denominator - The black racism sees 'white trash' and paints all of the working class whites with that brush, and likewise, the white racism paints all black folks like they're from the hood.

In the end, each side is made to embrace what the other side sees, which ain't right. BOTH sides have an underclass that is a trouble. But that's the wrong thing to look at, and certainly wrong to judge by.

Again, a massively popular song, that Yootoob censored until the massive acclaim made them put it back.



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Re: Tom McDonald: Fake Woke...
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2021, 11:13:56 pm »
Racism was pretty much a thing of the past in this country before the Obama cabal brought it roaring back because they HAD to have it! And I don't need a Rap song to tell me that @roamer_1
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Re: Tom McDonald: Fake Woke...
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2021, 11:37:45 pm »
Racism was pretty much a thing of the past in this country before the Obama cabal brought it roaring back because they HAD to have it! And I don't need a Rap song to tell me that @roamer_1

I am probably the wrong feller to judge that, like I said, living where I am... Racism up in here is pretty much confined to rez injuns (and notice that distinction because there are plenty of non-rez natives that are wholly accepted)

But still I find it an astonishment that the lyrics of this song receive ovations among the black folks, and that to me is remarkable wrt the actual impact of liberalism among black folks... They know it's all bullcrap (the crafted media message), even as we do, @Bigun .

I mean, look at this guy... unsigned and unaffiliated, putting out home recorded music filmed by his girlfriend in his apartment, getting primo hits like he is. Big Media doesn't have the grip on folks it once did.

When I went scuba diving into the reactions to 'Racism' by Adam Calhoun, one of the (black) reactors i listened to started a dialog in the comments because of  her comments in the vid about the Rebel flag (which is prominently displayed in the Calhoun vid)... On a subsequent vid, she thanked her subscribers for setting her straight - being raised in a black community in CA, she was made to realize that flag meant something different than she was taught.

And that kind of dialog ain't nothing but healthy. She understands now, and is no longer offended.


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Re: Tom McDonald: Fake Woke...
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2021, 12:40:38 am »
Racism to some degree will always exist and there is no question that Obama took race relations back decades.   Blacks realizing that it's not the evil White Republicans keeping them down or stomping on their rights is noticeable.
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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2021, 01:28:02 am »
A distraction, if you would, at your convenience... I am not really looking for comment wrt the song format or the freaky looks of the guy, but more an analysis of content, understanding that this is a hugely popular rap song, and very well received.

There is something here that should be examined. If you don't want to play my game, at least read the lyrics and ponder the impact, considering the popularity.

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What this shows to me is that the Democrats "scam"...in which they pit race against race, men against women, etcetera...isn't really fooling anyone. A lot of people go along with it because they think it benefits them in the short run, but they know its wrong and they see the harm its causing to society. This guy is actually VERY insightful and perceptive...he says that the long game of liberalism (which is what woke-ism really is) is bad for everyone, and that it thrives on tearing people apart and turning them against each other.

These lyrics do give me some hope but the question is...is this guys insight anecdotal or symptomatic of how people in America, particularly minorities and the urban poor, perceive what liberals are doing to them and to us as a country.

I genuinely believe that conservatism IS what best serves the poor and the underprivileged in any society...it creates a meritocracy in which one can rise from any level to great success. It acts to suppress racism and sexism as inefficient means of determining someone's "marketplace" value and offers a truly level playing field in which no one cares about your superficial qualities...only about your performance. We, as conservatives, are horrific at selling that truth...but it remains truth nonetheless.

This guy gets that liberalism leads to oppression and potentially an outright race war...in the long term. I hope others are really understanding what this guy is saying.
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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2021, 03:24:46 am »
What this shows to me is that the Democrats "scam"...in which they pit race against race, men against women, etcetera...isn't really fooling anyone. A lot of people go along with it because they think it benefits them in the short run, but they know its wrong and they see the harm its causing to society. This guy is actually VERY insightful and perceptive...he says that the long game of liberalism (which is what woke-ism really is) is bad for everyone, and that it thrives on tearing people apart and turning them against each other.

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Let me begin by saying I agree with every letter of this post, and it is nice to be on common ground.  :beer: :seeya:

This is a different animal than usual, while there are shades of the political, this song is more of a cultural thing, and not political per se, which I like. I am not a pure political animal by any means and I think the forum would be better served not being laser-focusing on the political, and exploring other relevant venues.

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These lyrics do give me some hope but the question is...is this guys insight anecdotal or symptomatic of how people in America, particularly minorities and the urban poor, perceive what liberals are doing to them and to us as a country.

I don't think it anecdotal at all. And that's why I continue to bring it here. Are you kidding me? 4m hits in the first week alone. almost 1m hits on the first day. That is record territory that many labels would kill for. And without a doubt it is a megaphone pointed right at black culture.

And there is a sub-plot going on here I think... All the big label rappers seem to be less inclined to approach real context... Which is a serious fault in that as I gather it, rap is noted for being shocking and absolutely fearless in telling the truth. I may be wrong in that, but that is what I gather. Well, if the big money rappers are not telling the truth... and these upstart independents are... That breeds respect, I think.

BTW, he dropped another one called 'Cancelled' two days ago, and already has 1.5m hits...

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I genuinely believe that conservatism IS what best serves the poor and the underprivileged in any society...it creates a meritocracy in which one can rise from any level to great success. It acts to suppress racism and sexism as inefficient means of determining someone's "marketplace" value and offers a truly level playing field in which no one cares about your superficial qualities...only about your performance. We, as conservatives, are horrific at selling that truth...but it remains truth nonetheless.

This guy gets that liberalism leads to oppression and potentially an outright race war...in the long term. I hope others are really understanding what this guy is saying.

Absolutely right. The only thing - ONLY thing - that matters in the end is merit. And I am perfectly aligned with selling that. Another aspect that gets lost in the fog - Which one, conservatism or liberalism actually imposes and coerces? If the dingbats in the cities want liberalism, let em, I say... So long as they can pay for it (which they cannot)... But don't bring it out here. Don't impose upon me the ideas from those cities, even if they do work (which they do not). Despite liberal declarations, Conservatism cannot impose, because it is in it's very DNA to support federalism and keeping decisions as close to the People as possible.

But anyway, thanks for a great post.  :beer:


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Re: Tom McDonald: Fake Woke...
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2021, 03:51:36 am »
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Now, y'all know I would be more likely found listening to some Alan Jackson, George Strait, or maybe Zac Brown Band...

But y'all need to look at this. The music sucks to me, but look at what this guy is saying, speaking right into the heart of black culture. And look at how he is received as one of a very few white rappers.

And what an impact, to see black folks agreeing hands down with what he is saying. Look at the likes vs dislikes on reactions. Read down the comments a bit.

This pierces through woke bullcrap and media portrayed 'black thinking' way more than Candace Owens ever could.

And it is a comfort to me to see it.
Black folks ain't anywhere near as 'in the liberal bag' as they would have you believe.
Black folks never were. When I was working my first summer in a steel fabrication plant, half the crew there was on work release, and overwhelmingly that half was black. The spectrum there from young, militant guys with attitude to the laid back older guys looking at cashing in their good time and getting out was pretty much complete. The oldest of the bunch was a guy who just pushed a broom around but clearly had some stroke with that half of the workforce. He buttonholed me one day, as it was known I was a college boy (I could read the blue prints when I got there), and asked me what I was studying in school. I told him, I had been thinking about law but decided on Geology instead. After I gave him a quick explanation of what geology is, he asked the 64,000 dollar question.

"If you had been a lawyer when the Black Man was fighting for his Rights, would you have fought for the Black Man?"

I thought for a second, and said "No. Rights aren't rights unless they're Rights for everyone. Besides, the Black Man didn't gain anything out of all that, it just made a bunch of Lawyers rich."

He looked at me, perhaps a mite startled by my answer, then he smiled and said "You a right-on Motherf**er!"

So, I'm not surprised that a considerable number of Blacks, some who could use all the excuses the SJWs cook up, don't buy into the BS. Some who don't will use it anyway, as a way of 'getting over on the man', but a lot won't, don't believe it for a second, and just can't accept it (along with being told by rich, white, liberals what they think).

 You hear all the crap about rural folks coming out of the Leftist urban enclaves. It's about as accurate as the caricature of Blacks being marketed, and it isn't even subtle any more. How many people from flyover country believe the BS that the media are pushing (aside from those right there in the cities the media comes out of)? THat disbelief and disgust is purt'near universal amongst those who know better.
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Re: Tom McDonald: Fake Woke...
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2021, 04:47:38 am »
Racism was pretty much a thing of the past in this country before the Obama cabal brought it roaring back because they HAD to have it! And I don't need a Rap song to tell me that @roamer_1
I think it still is pretty much a thing of the past. What we are being exposed to are the Media approved SJWs, the Harvard backed opinion makers, the teevee version of reality that just isn't any thicker than the screen you watch it on (the screen, not the cabinet). Like deleting POVs from YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook, this is part and parcel of creating your perception of "reality" from whole cloth, bending it to fit the narrative that those controlling information want you to believe in, because if enough people believe it, they will make it so.

That creates a malleable squabbling underclass that can be manipulated with a few sound bytes on the evening news, can be told what to believe and even that they believe it...and sooner or later, unless they rebel and discard that carefully crafted image, they will make it reality, if just enough buy in.

The reason for cancel culture is that no, by and large, we were not buying in, we were rejecting it, and going our own way. If we do that they can bellow edicts until the cows give sharp cheddar from their udders, no one is going to follow them!.  If people won't buy their BS when they have any alternative presented, the alternatives must be shut down so the narrative can be brought back under control. That is why the totalitarians are becoming even more totalitarian, and freedom seekers everywhere are anything BUT okay with that. 
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Re: Tom McDonald: Fake Woke...
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2021, 05:28:22 am »
Black folks never were. When I was working my first summer in a steel fabrication plant, half the crew there was on work release, and overwhelmingly that half was black. The spectrum there from young, militant guys with attitude to the laid back older guys looking at cashing in their good time and getting out was pretty much complete. The oldest of the bunch was a guy who just pushed a broom around but clearly had some stroke with that half of the workforce. He buttonholed me one day, as it was known I was a college boy (I could read the blue prints when I got there), and asked me what I was studying in school. I told him, I had been thinking about law but decided on Geology instead. After I gave him a quick explanation of what geology is, he asked the 64,000 dollar question.

"If you had been a lawyer when the Black Man was fighting for his Rights, would you have fought for the Black Man?"

I thought for a second, and said "No. Rights aren't rights unless they're Rights for everyone. Besides, the Black Man didn't gain anything out of all that, it just made a bunch of Lawyers rich."

He looked at me, perhaps a mite startled by my answer, then he smiled and said "You a right-on Motherf**er!"

So, I'm not surprised that a considerable number of Blacks, some who could use all the excuses the SJWs cook up, don't buy into the BS. Some who don't will use it anyway, as a way of 'getting over on the man', but a lot won't, don't believe it for a second, and just can't accept it (along with being told by rich, white, liberals what they think).

 You hear all the crap about rural folks coming out of the Leftist urban enclaves. It's about as accurate as the caricature of Blacks being marketed, and it isn't even subtle any more. How many people from flyover country believe the BS that the media are pushing (aside from those right there in the cities the media comes out of)? THat disbelief and disgust is purt'near universal amongst those who know better.

What this does though Smoke, if true, narrows the field of fire. If you speak truth, the hood will hear you. The street may game this crap, but they don't believe it. Which means one should bring out the message and hit hard at colleges, liberal enclaves, and media. Don't worry about the hood or the barrio any more than you do the trailer park... I said upthread a ways it's all the same.

So packaging a message is not necessary to sway inner cities. All you need to do is fearlessly speak the truth.

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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2021, 06:09:06 am »
What this does though Smoke, if true, narrows the field of fire. If you speak truth, the hood will hear you. The street may game this crap, but they don't believe it. Which means one should bring out the message and hit hard at colleges, liberal enclaves, and media. Don't worry about the hood or the barrio any more than you do the trailer park... I said upthread a ways it's all the same.

So packaging a message is not necessary to sway inner cities. All you need to do is fearlessly speak the truth.
But that's when the dozens of poster children come out to play, and they don't play nice. I read some where (Jeff Cooper, I think) that one man with an automatic weapon could control a hundred unarmed people. Statistically, the hundred could overwhelm that man, and beat him to death with his own gun, but no one wants to step into the line of fire. The automatic weapon are the street mobs of the SJW groups, ready to exact 'vengeance' on any who defy the narrative, and that's how it is being maintained. Even the challenges to the past election were lost to cowardice in facing those mobs, and the threat they posed to the individuals involved. Without security they could trust, being in the public light, and without police they felt they could count on (ordered to stand down?), none dared defy the lies. Too much fear, not enough truth.
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Re: Tom McDonald: Fake Woke...
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2021, 08:21:42 am »
But that's when the dozens of poster children come out to play, and they don't play nice. I read some where (Jeff Cooper, I think) that one man with an automatic weapon could control a hundred unarmed people. Statistically, the hundred could overwhelm that man, and beat him to death with his own gun, but no one wants to step into the line of fire. The automatic weapon are the street mobs of the SJW groups, ready to exact 'vengeance' on any who defy the narrative, and that's how it is being maintained. Even the challenges to the past election were lost to cowardice in facing those mobs, and the threat they posed to the individuals involved. Without security they could trust, being in the public light, and without police they felt they could count on (ordered to stand down?), none dared defy the lies. Too much fear, not enough truth.

But that is easily addressed with a fireside chat - Tell the folks it is their own city and county democrat officials that have the power to protect them - And then pound it on the stump. They ain't going to get a change until thy see what voting the same ol way will leave them with... Properly handled, many of those cities should have jumped ship and went to law and order... Which would probably mean Republican gains. That ain't a hard sell. I wounder why it wasn't played. Instead it languished and nothing is different. Makes me wonder if BOTH sides ain't invested in poverty.

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Re: Tom McDonald: Fake Woke...
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2021, 02:58:42 pm »
I think it still is pretty much a thing of the past. What we are being exposed to are the Media approved SJWs, the Harvard backed opinion makers, the teevee version of reality that just isn't any thicker than the screen you watch it on (the screen, not the cabinet). Like deleting POVs from YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook, this is part and parcel of creating your perception of "reality" from whole cloth, bending it to fit the narrative that those controlling information want you to believe in, because if enough people believe it, they will make it so.

That creates a malleable squabbling underclass that can be manipulated with a few sound bytes on the evening news, can be told what to believe and even that they believe it...and sooner or later, unless they rebel and discard that carefully crafted image, they will make it reality, if just enough buy in.

The reason for cancel culture is that no, by and large, we were not buying in, we were rejecting it, and going our own way. If we do that they can bellow edicts until the cows give sharp cheddar from their udders, no one is going to follow them!.  If people won't buy their BS when they have any alternative presented, the alternatives must be shut down so the narrative can be brought back under control. That is why the totalitarians are becoming even more totalitarian, and freedom seekers everywhere are anything BUT okay with that.

 :yowsa: I think that is exactly right! But they very much NEED that "squabbling underclass" in order to do what they intend to do.
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Re: Tom McDonald: Fake Woke...
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2021, 09:54:13 pm »
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