Who is really closest to the Nazis?

[starbuck_archer]

We've all heard it before: Republicans/Trump Supporters/Anyone not buying the woke agenda must be a NAZI!!!  George Orwell, comment in the late 1940s/early 1950s, even mused that less than 10 years after the war was over, any "undesirable" political ideology was being labeled as "Nazis!".

I present to you a game of "Who said it?  Bernie Sanders, or Joseph Goebbels":

-"The money pigs of capitalist democracy….Money has made slaves of us…Money is the curse of mankind. It smothers the seed of everything great and good. Every penny is sticky with sweat and blood.”

-"Communism. Jewry. I am a German Communist."

-"We are not a charitable institution but a Party of revolutionary socialists."

-"The people's community must not be a mere phrase, but a revolutionary achievement following from the radical carrying out of the basic life needs of the working class. A ruthless battle against corruption! A war against exploitation, freedom for the workers! The elimination of all economic-capitalist influences on national policy. Maintaining a rotten economic system has nothing to do with nationalism, which is an affirmation of the Fatherland... The sin of liberal thinking was to overlook socialism’s nation-building strengths, thereby allowing its energies to go in anti-national directions. "

-"We are socialists because we see the social question as a matter of necessity and justice for the very existence of a state for our people, not a question of cheap pity or insulting sentimentality."

Need I go on?  Apparently, I do:

-Which side is against the Jews (Ilhan Omar).

-Which side is promoting white identitarianism and the idea that one race owes another something?

-Which side is promoting the segregation of the races (Prop 16)

Sorry lefties, you are the actual Nazis, not us.

[mystery-ak]

Interesting first post....Welcome to TBR

[starbuck_archer]

It is an interesting first post. However, I academically propose that we have all been lied to: The Nazis were not a "right wing regime"  but rather a left-wing regime that saw itself in competition with Marxist-Leninist Communism, not as an enemy.

As Anthony Read says in The Devil's Disciples: Hiltler's Inner Circle:

Goebbels saw the ultimate enemy as international capitalism, and those who held power in Germany as its lackey, betraying their nation for personal gain. These were the traditional targets of the Communists, of course, so the Nazis and the KPD, the Communist Party of Germany, were in direct competition for the same constituency, two rabid dogs fighting for one bone… And Goebbels, who has so recently been happy to describe himself as a ‘German Communist’ led the fight with all the intensity of a religious convert.

We should stop letting the left equate us to the Nazis when in fact it is them who are the Nazis, by all logic and when one really looks at the ideology.

[starbuck_archer]

I should also note that Goebbels was arguably Hitler's most ardent supporter: Not Goring, Himmler, Borman nor Donitz were willing to make a "last stand" with Hitler in Berlin in 1945.  As Hitler's propaganda minister, I seriously doubt that more than a tiny amount of propaganda was broadcast to the German people without Hitler's at least tacit consent.  Only Goebbels committed suicide with Hitler, and killed his own family out of loyalty to Hitler.

[Hoodat]

I should also note that Goebbels was arguably Hitler's most ardent supporter: Not Goring, Himmler, Borman nor Donitz were willing to make a "last stand" with Hitler in Berlin in 1945.  As Hitler's propaganda minister, I seriously doubt that more than a tiny amount of propaganda was broadcast to the German people without Hitler's at least tacit consent.  Only Goebbels committed suicide with Hitler, and killed his own family out of loyalty to Hitler.

@starbuck_archer

You are correct, sir.  And welcome to TBR.

[LMAO]

Only Goebbels committed suicide with Hitler, and killed his own family out of loyalty to Hitler.

I suspect Mr and Mts Goebbels killed their children not out of loyalty to Hitler but as more of an act , in their view, of mercy

Imagine the mistreatment his children would have experienced in a Soviet orphanage

[Hoodat]

I suspect Mr and Mts Goebbels killed their children not out of loyalty to Hitler but as more of an act , in their view, of mercy

Imagine the mistreatment his children would have experienced in a Soviet orphanage

They would have met the same fate as Anastasia, Tatiana, Olga, and Alexei.

[dfwgator]

I should also note that Goebbels was arguably Hitler's most ardent supporter: Not Goring, Himmler, Borman nor Donitz were willing to make a "last stand" with Hitler in Berlin in 1945.  As Hitler's propaganda minister, I seriously doubt that more than a tiny amount of propaganda was broadcast to the German people without Hitler's at least tacit consent.  Only Goebbels committed suicide with Hitler, and killed his own family out of loyalty to Hitler.

I highly recommend everyone watch "The Goebbels Experiment" narrated by Kenneth Branagh, who reads excerpts from Goebbels' diaries.

[dfwgator]

I suspect Mr and Mts Goebbels killed their children not out of loyalty to Hitler but as more of an act , in their view, of mercy

Imagine the mistreatment his children would have experienced in a Soviet orphanage

I cannot even watch that scene in "Downfall".

[dfwgator]

I suspect Mr and Mts Goebbels killed their children not out of loyalty to Hitler but as more of an act , in their view, of mercy

Imagine the mistreatment his children would have experienced in a Soviet orphanage

Conceivably they could have evacuated to the West, they would have been safe in American or British hands.

[sneakypete]

The prime pre-1940 allies,the communist and other totalitarian governments. Fascism is noting more than communism with money and the USSR and Nazi Germany were the bestest buddies that even had a mutual defense treaty vowing to come to the aid of each other if either were invaded,right up to the instant that Hitler invaded the USSR,and suddenly,overnight,Fascism became evil.

Go figure.

[sneakypete]

I highly recommend everyone watch "The Goebbels Experiment" narrated by Kenneth Branagh, who reads excerpts from Goebbels' diaries.

@dfwgator

I would be happy to do so if I knew who was broadcasting it.

[sneakypete]

Conceivably they could have evacuated to the West, they would have been safe in American or British hands.

@dfwgator

I agree,but we are not looking at it from the 1945 POV of the Goebbels family. We have the luxury of time and history to base our judgements on.

[Hoodat]

Goebbels was the one who issued the order that no German civilians could leave Berlin as Russian troops were about to push their way in.  His propaganda about the Russians became a self-fulfilling prophesy.  His caricature of the Russian soldier as a savage rapist actually came to pass, but only as a response to German savagery.

[sneakypete]

Goebbels was the one who issued the order that no German civilians could leave Berlin as Russian troops were about to push their way in.  His propaganda about the Russians became a self-fulfilling prophesy.  His caricature of the Russian soldier as a savage rapist actually came to pass, but only as a response to German savagery.

@Hoodat

I don't know who told you that HorseHillary,but they were full of Bubba. Stalin used mostly non-Russian (speaking ethnically) troops from the far east as his assault troops because they were considered to be "less civilized" than the ethnic Russians,but MY theory is that the major reason was there was nobody in Russia more pissed off at white people than them,and they would be happy to brutalize a bunch of white people instead of being brutalized by a bunch of white people.

He also used "NKVD Blocking Squads" behind the assault troops that were armed with 30 caliber machine guns to shoot any Soviet soldier who tried to retreat. This was a great encouragement to them to do their best to seize an objective as quickly as possible.

[skeeter]

It is an interesting first post. However, I academically propose that we have all been lied to: The Nazis were not a "right wing regime"  but rather a left-wing regime that saw itself in competition with Marxist-Leninist Communism, not as an enemy.

As Anthony Read says in The Devil's Disciples: Hiltler's Inner Circle:

Goebbels saw the ultimate enemy as international capitalism, and those who held power in Germany as its lackey, betraying their nation for personal gain. These were the traditional targets of the Communists, of course, so the Nazis and the KPD, the Communist Party of Germany, were in direct competition for the same constituency, two rabid dogs fighting for one bone… And Goebbels, who has so recently been happy to describe himself as a ‘German Communist’ led the fight with all the intensity of a religious convert.

We should stop letting the left equate us to the Nazis when in fact it is them who are the Nazis, by all logic and when one really looks at the ideology.

In spite of what Wikipedia (having changed the definition of fascism on their site to suit their own political bent) says the literal definition of fascist is an authoritarian partnership between government and big business to set national policy. Which side of the ideological continuum most closely resembles that definition?

[sneakypete]

In spite of what Wikipedia (having changed the definition of fascism on their site to suit their own political bent) says the literal definition of fascist is an authoritarian partnership between government and big business to set national policy. Which side of the ideological continuum most closely resembles that definition?


@skeeter

The DNC.

[skeeter]

In spite of what Wikipedia (having changed the definition of fascism on their site to suit their own political bent) says the literal definition of fascist is an authoritarian partnership between government and big business to set national policy. Which side of the ideological continuum most closely resembles that definition?


@skeeter

The DNC.

[roamer_1]

It is an interesting first post. However, I academically propose that we have all been lied to: The Nazis were not a "right wing regime"  but rather a left-wing regime that saw itself in competition with Marxist-Leninist Communism, not as an enemy.

As Anthony Read says in The Devil's Disciples: Hiltler's Inner Circle:

Goebbels saw the ultimate enemy as international capitalism, and those who held power in Germany as its lackey, betraying their nation for personal gain. These were the traditional targets of the Communists, of course, so the Nazis and the KPD, the Communist Party of Germany, were in direct competition for the same constituency, two rabid dogs fighting for one bone… And Goebbels, who has so recently been happy to describe himself as a ‘German Communist’ led the fight with all the intensity of a religious convert.

We should stop letting the left equate us to the Nazis when in fact it is them who are the Nazis, by all logic and when one really looks at the ideology.

FACTS. And it should not be forgotten that it was the Nationalist socialist populist home boy that wound up buffaloing the people into sacrificing their principles and moral compass... 

Winning

[skeeter]

FACTS. And it should not be forgotten that it was the Nationalist socialist populist home boy that wound up buffaloing the people into sacrificing their principles and moral compass... 

Winning

I dunno, the nazis never had more than 33% support in Germany and the socialist Hitler was crowned Chancellor by Hindenburg after he bullied the old man. And that was all she wrote.

Don’t think his rise had anything to do with convincing Germans to compromise their principles.

[roamer_1]

I dunno, the nazis never had more than 33% support in Germany and the socialist Hitler was crowned Chancellor by Hindenburg after he bullied the old man. And that was all she wrote.

Don’t think his rise had anything to do with convincing Germans to compromise their principles.

Dig into the Lutheran Church over there unabridged, and understand what they acquiesced to.He got this close to becoming a caesar. 'Kaiser' is the same dang thing from a political angle, but without the worshiping,  which is defintely where he was headed. The occult powers exuding from that lot were tremendous. And the official state church caved to much of it... To include rousing the old Teutonic gods.

[skeeter]

Dig into the Lutheran Church over there unabridged, and understand what they acquiesced to.He got this close to becoming a caesar. 'Kaiser' is the same dang thing from a political angle, but without the worshiping,  which is defintely where he was headed. The occult powers exuding from that lot were tremendous. And the official state church caved to much of it... To include rousing the old Teutonic gods.

Reading Toland’s AH biography now. Got any specific reading to recommend?

[roamer_1]

Reading Toland’s AH biography now. Got any specific reading to recommend?

long ago and far, far away. Look deep into Wewelsburg Castle. Himmler. That was the center of it. no doubt if you can keep your teeth from curling, you can go from there into the political superstructure imposing it upon religion.

And while you are at it, don't think it's just the Germans. You might look at Jekyll Island over here too. Occult has been in the halls of power all the way along. Christians have just bought into science and reason enough that such things are wholly ignored.

Alister Crowley and Jack Parsons (yeah, that guy) and the Babylon Working... Claimed to have opened a portal for the gods that they could not close. That's a little place called Area 51 these days. Go figger.

[LegalAmerican]

We've all heard it before: Republicans/Trump Supporters/Anyone not buying the woke agenda must be a NAZI!!!  George Orwell, comment in the late 1940s/early 1950s, even mused that less than 10 years after the war was over, any "undesirable" political ideology was being labeled as "Nazis!".

I present to you a game of "Who said it?  Bernie Sanders, or Joseph Goebbels":

-"The money pigs of capitalist democracy….Money has made slaves of us…Money is the curse of mankind. It smothers the seed of everything great and good. Every penny is sticky with sweat and blood.”

-"Communism. Jewry. I am a German Communist."

-"We are not a charitable institution but a Party of revolutionary socialists."

-"The people's community must not be a mere phrase, but a revolutionary achievement following from the radical carrying out of the basic life needs of the working class. A ruthless battle against corruption! A war against exploitation, freedom for the workers! The elimination of all economic-capitalist influences on national policy. Maintaining a rotten economic system has nothing to do with nationalism, which is an affirmation of the Fatherland... The sin of liberal thinking was to overlook socialism’s nation-building strengths, thereby allowing its energies to go in anti-national directions. "

-"We are socialists because we see the social question as a matter of necessity and justice for the very existence of a state for our people, not a question of cheap pity or insulting sentimentality."

Need I go on?  Apparently, I do:

-Which side is against the Jews (Ilhan Omar).

-Which side is promoting white identitarianism and the idea that one race owes another something?

-Which side is promoting the segregation of the races (Prop 16)

Sorry lefties, you are the actual Nazis, not us.

 

Bernie is JEWISH , so he didn't say one line on here.  lol

[LegalAmerican]

Goebbels was the one who issued the order that no German civilians could leave Berlin as Russian troops were about to push their way in.  His propaganda about the Russians became a self-fulfilling prophesy.  His caricature of the Russian soldier as a savage rapist actually came to pass, but only as a response to German savagery.

  Hitler was Austrian. Hessians were German who fought for George Washington, to create our country.

 About 1933, The GERMANS were being starved to death.  Guess by whom?

  Hitler created the AUTOBAHN. He created the VOLKSWAGEN, he supported women. Muslim Iman, supported Hilter, and when Hitler just wanted to deport Jewish people, Muslim, said.."NOT GOOD ENOUGH". Hitler asked. " what then?"  MUSLIM SAID.."BURN THEM."  As told by PM, BEN, IN ISRAEL.

German people had to join military or be shot to death...right then and there. What would you do? 

My dad was in an AMERICAN CONCENTRATION CAMP AND HE WAS STARVING....he ate some beets grown for cattle, not human consumption to survive. Reaching into the field, they were next to. Not treated well. He and the others took American POW,  as they figured they had a better chance of survival, than going with Russias and sent to SIBERIA.  GUARANTEED DEATH.   He only talked about it to me, at age 88.  He didn't like the memory. German savagery? 

[LegalAmerican]

German American Day October 6th

October 2, 2011 GW Administrator NEWS 0
On October 2nd, 1987, President Ronald Reagan, in a ceremony in the Rose Garden of the White House signed the first proclamation into law which made October 6th, National German American Day. This day is celebrated every year and calls the attention of the American people to the many contributions German Americans have made to America in over 300 years in this country.

“Our citizens of German descent excel in every discipline and open our minds to the expanses of human possibility. When we drive across a suspension bridge, listen to music played on a Steinway piano or send a child to Kindergarten, their unique traditions and customs surround us. German Americans have influenced our Nation in myriad ways with their industry, culture, and engagement in public life. America is a stronger Nation because of those families who have established longstanding roots in our country, as well as by those who have recently emigrated from abroad. German immigrants, inhabiting every major city, have given much of themselves throughout our history, selflessly expanding the reach of the American Dream.”

[LegalAmerican]

Found it.
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; Proclamation 5719 -- German-American Day, 1987.    October 2, 1987
> By the President of the United States of America Proclamation
 
More Americans trace their heritage back to German ancestry than to any other nationality. More than seven ; million Germans have come to our shores through the years, and today some 60 million Americans -- one  in four -- are of German descent. Few people have blended so completely into the multicultural tapestry of American society and yet have made such singular economic, political, social, scientific, and cultural contributions to the growth and success of these United States as have Americans of German extraction.

The United States has embraced a vast array of German traditions, institutions, and influences. Many of these ; have become so accepted as parts of our way of life that their ethnic origin has been obscured. For instance ; Christmas trees and Broadway musicals are familiar features of American society. Our kindergartens, graduate i schools, the social security system, and labor unions are all based on models derived from Germany.

German teachers, musicians, and enthusiastic amateurs have left an indelible imprint on classical music : hymns, choral singing, and marching bands in our country. In architecture and design, German contributions :  include the modern suspension bridge, Bauhaus, and Jugendstil.

German-American scientists have nelped | make the United States the world's pioneer in research and technology. The American work ethic, a major ; factor in the rapid rise of the United States to preeminence in agriculture and industry, owes much to German - Americans' commitment to excellence.

For more than 3 centuries, Germans have helped build, invigorate, and strengthen this country. But the United States has given as well as received. Just a generation ago, America conceived of and swiftly implemented ; the Marshall Plan, which helped the new German democracy rise from the rubble of war to become a beacon  of democracy in Central Europe. The Berlin Airlift demonstrated the American commitment to the defense of freedom when, still recovering from war, Berlin was threatened by strangulation from the Soviets.
Today, the Federal Republic of Germany is a bulwark of democracy in the heart of a divided Europe. Germans and Americans are rightfully proud of our common values as well as our shared heritage. For more than 3 decades the German-American partnership has been a linchpin in the Western Alliance. Thanks to it, a  whole generation of Americans and Europeans has grown up free to enjoy the fruits of liberty.

Our histories are thus intertwined. We now contribute to each other's trade, enjoy each other's cultures, and  learn from each other's experiences. The German-American Friendship Garden, which will be dedicated in the District of Columbia in the near future, is symbolic of the close and amicable relations between West Germany  and the United States.


The Congress, by Public Law 100 - 104, has designated October 6, 1987, the 304th anniversary of the arrival  of the first German immigrants in Philadelphia, as " German-American Day" and has authorized and requested the President to issue a proclamation in observance of that day.

Now, Therefore, I, Ronald Reagan, President of the United States of America, do hereby proclaim Tuesday, j October 6, 1987, as German-American Day. I urge all Americans to learn more about the contributions of German immigrants to the life and culture of the United States and to observe this day with appropriate ceremonies and activities.

In Witness Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand this 2nd day of Oct., in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and eighty-seven, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and twelfth.

Note from editorial staff: We were hoping to post the 25th anniversary of German-American Day proclamation signed by President Obama but we had to go to press before it was released.

[Absalom]

We were colonized by England, who provided virtually all of our population during the two centuries from 1607 till 1812.
Following that, the Irish became our predominant immigrant class over the next 100 years.
This journo has absolutely zero idea what he's talking about!!!!

[sneakypete]

  Hitler was Austrian. Hessians were German who fought for George Washington, to create our country.

 About 1933, The GERMANS were being starved to death.  Guess by whom?

  Hitler created the AUTOBAHN. He created the VOLKSWAGEN, he supported women. Muslim Iman, supported Hilter, and when Hitler just wanted to deport Jewish people, Muslim, said.."NOT GOOD ENOUGH". Hitler asked. " what then?"  MUSLIM SAID.."BURN THEM."  As told by PM, BEN, IN ISRAEL.

German people had to join military or be shot to death...right then and there. What would you do? 

My dad was in an AMERICAN CONCENTRATION CAMP AND HE WAS STARVING....he ate some beets grown for cattle, not human consumption to survive. Reaching into the field, they were next to. Not treated well. He and the others took American POW,  as they figured they had a better chance of survival, than going with Russias and sent to SIBERIA.  GUARANTEED DEATH.   He only talked about it to me, at age 88.  He didn't like the memory. German savagery?

@LegalAmerican

Individuals,of German or any other ethnic origin are NOT savages.

It is their political systems that are the savages that capture the people under their control and order them around.

This means BY EXTENSION the "true believers" in the absolute right of ANY political system is a savage,but you get the idea.

[sneakypete]

We were colonized by England, who provided virtually all of our population during the two centuries from 1607 till 1812.
Following that, the Irish became our predominant immigrant class over the next 100 years.
This journo has absolutely zero idea what he's talking about!!!!

@Absalom

"WE",who,white man?

My ancestors on my mother's side were already here when the first white European man arrived.

Not to mention the fact that the Spanish were already well established before the first Englishman landed on Roanoke Island in what is  now called North Carolina.

[Absalom]

@Absalom
"WE",who,white man?
My ancestors on my mother's side were already here when the first white European man arrived.
Not to mention the fact that the Spanish were already well established before the first Englishman landed on Roanoke Island in what is  now called North Carolina.

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The opening statement asserts;
"More Americans trace their heritage back to German ancestry than any other nationality".
That statement is horse manure!!!
GOT IT?????????????????????????

[Hoodat]

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The opening statement asserts;
"More Americans trace their heritage back to German ancestry than an other nationality".
That statement is horse manure!!!
GOT IT?????????????????????????

The American Community Survey (ACS) is a demographics survey program conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau. It regularly gathers information previously contained only in the long form of the decennial census, such as ancestry, citizenship, educational attainment, income, language proficiency, migration, disability, employment, and housing characteristics. These data are used by many public-sector, private-sector, and not-for-profit stakeholders to allocate funding, track shifting demographics, plan for emergencies, and learn about local communities. Sent to approximately 295,000 addresses monthly (or 3.5 million per year), it is the largest household survey that the Census Bureau administers.
.  .  . 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Community_Survey

German-American - 13.9%
Irish Americans - 10.0%
English Americans - 7.4%
Italian Americans - 5.2%
Polish Americans - 3.0%

These numbers are self-declared and would not include persons such as myself who declare themselves to be American-Americans.

[roamer_1]

The American Community Survey (ACS) is a demographics survey program conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau. It regularly gathers information previously contained only in the long form of the decennial census, such as ancestry, citizenship, educational attainment, income, language proficiency, migration, disability, employment, and housing characteristics. These data are used by many public-sector, private-sector, and not-for-profit stakeholders to allocate funding, track shifting demographics, plan for emergencies, and learn about local communities. Sent to approximately 295,000 addresses monthly (or 3.5 million per year), it is the largest household survey that the Census Bureau administers.
.  .  . 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Community_Survey

German-American - 13.9%
Irish Americans - 10.0%
English Americans - 7.4%
Italian Americans - 5.2%
Polish Americans - 3.0%

These numbers are self-declared and would not include persons such as myself who declare themselves to be American-Americans.

What might be interesting in that is distribution. No doubt, if one were to measure according to up in here, the population would be mostly Norwegian, with a strong showing of Scots/Irish... Now if you go over yonder to Bozeman, that's largely Dutch.

My point being that population does not equal distribution. A heavy population in the industrial north may not translate elsewhere.

[Absalom]

The American Community Survey (ACS) is a demographics survey program conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau. It regularly gathers information previously contained only in the long form of the decennial census, such as ancestry, citizenship, educational attainment, income, language proficiency, migration, disability, employment, and housing characteristics. These data are used by many public-sector, private-sector, and not-for-profit stakeholders to allocate funding, track shifting demographics, plan for emergencies, and learn about local communities. Sent to approximately 295,000 addresses monthly (or 3.5 million per year), it is the largest household survey that the Census Bureau administers.
.  .  . 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Community_Survey

German-American - 13.9%
Irish Americans - 10.0%
English Americans - 7.4%
Italian Americans - 5.2%
Polish Americans - 3.0%

These numbers are self-declared and would not include persons such as myself who declare themselves to be American-Americans.

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Thank you for the numbers which I accept.
Russell Kirk's "American Order" affirmed our founding Anglo-Saxon Legacy.
The figures for England and Ireland aggregate 17.4% and make my core point!

[sneakypete]

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The opening statement asserts;
"More Americans trace their heritage back to German ancestry than an other nationality".
That statement is horse manure!!!
GOT IT?????????????????????????

@Absalom

Nope,without dates of the mass immigration's from various European countries to America,any data you use is meaningless.

[LegalAmerican]

The Congress, by Public Law 100 - 104, has designated October 6, 1987, the 304th anniversary of the arrival  of the first German immigrants in Philadelphia, as " German-American Day" and has authorized and requested the President to issue a proclamation in observance of that day.

Now, Therefore, I, Ronald Reagan, President of the United States of America, do hereby proclaim Tuesday, j October 6, 1987, as German-American Day. I urge all Americans to learn more about the contributions of German immigrants to the life and culture of the United States and to observe this day with appropriate ceremonies and activities.

[LegalAmerican]

I don't know,  what there is,  to argue about. All facts.
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October 2, 2011 GW Administrator NEWS 0

On October 2nd, 1987, President Ronald Reagan, in a ceremony in the Rose Garden of the White House signed the first proclamation into law which made October 6th, National German American Day. This day is celebrated every year and calls the attention of the American people to the many contributions German Americans have made to America in over 300 years in this country.

“Our citizens of German descent excel in every discipline and open our minds to the expanses of human possibility. When we drive across a suspension bridge, listen to music played on a Steinway piano or send a child to Kindergarten, their unique traditions and customs surround us. German Americans have influenced our Nation in myriad ways with their industry, culture, and engagement in public life. America is a stronger Nation because of those families who have established longstanding roots in our country, as well as by those who have recently emigrated from abroad. German immigrants, inhabiting every major city, have given much of themselves throughout our history, selflessly expanding the reach of the American Dream.”

[Hoodat]

The figures for England and Ireland aggregate 17.4% and make my core point!

Lumping English and Irish together?  Pretty risky.

[Absalom]

Lumping English and Irish together?  Pretty risky.

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Which is why I used the broader label of Anglo-Saxon.

[Hoodat]

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Which is why I used the broader label of Anglo-Saxon.

The Irish aren't Anglo-Saxon.

[The_Reader_David]

I am fond of point out that the Democrats have a concept of Lebens unwertesleben:  any child whose mother does not what it and who has not had the good fortune of being born yet.  In some quarters it seems to be broader than that -- it's Democrats who are the force behind attempts to legalize euthanasia and some Democrat governors were very eager for COVID-19 to spread in old age homes.

[The_Reader_David]

And, regarding Goebbels:  he said that that pattern for the whole Nazi propaganda effort was Woodrow Wilson's Committee on Public Information.  There are also links between the Nazi notion of eugenics and the American "Progressive" eugenics movement that preceded it.

[Absalom]

The Irish aren't Anglo-Saxon.

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Fair enough.
Yet the English and Irish shared many things, among them proximity, language and
religious faith, till Henry VIII.

[GtHawk]

@LegalAmerican

Individuals,of German or any other ethnic origin are NOT savages.

It is their political systems that are the savages that capture the people under their control and order them around.

This means BY EXTENSION the "true believers" in the absolute right of ANY political system is a savage,but you get the idea.

Why is it we continue to demonize the German people to this day, but we speak not of the Japanese and their atrocities, but we speak not of the Russian atrocities, but we speak not of the Chinese atrocities or conintinue to demonize them? In no way I am excusing the heinous acts of some Germans but WTF? Oh golly I forgot about the Italians.Heinous immoral acts should be treated as such with all the perpetrators and yes I believe that the extermination or the attempt needs to be remebered for eternity.

[Absalom]

Why is it we continue to demonize the German people to this day, but we speak not of the Japanese and their atrocities, but we speak not of the Russian atrocities, but we speak not of the Chinese atrocities or conintinue to demonize them? In no way I am excusing the heinous acts of some Germans but WTF? Oh golly I forgot about the Italians.Heinous immoral acts should be treated as such with all the perpetrators and yes I believe that the extermination or the attempt needs to be remebered for eternity.

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Who is we?
The achievements of the Germans in Art (Beethoven, Haydn, Mozart) and Science
(Von Leibnitz/Calculus and Einstein/Relativity) rival those of Classical Greece!!!!!

[dfwgator]

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Who is we?
The achievements of the Germans in Art (Beethoven, Haydn, Mozart) and Science
(Von Leibnitz/Calculus and Einstein/Relativity) rival those of Classical Greece!!!!!

My question is, why do the Austrians get a pass?  It's like the old joke that Austria is still trying to convince the world that Beethoven was Austrian, and Hitler was German.

[dfwgator]

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The opening statement asserts;
"More Americans trace their heritage back to German ancestry than any other nationality".
That statement is horse manure!!!
GOT IT?????????????????????????

Many Poles, like my ancestors, were classified as "German" because Poland didn't exist when they left for America.

[Hoodat]

Why is it we continue to demonize the German people to this day  .  .  .

Who is demonizing the German people?  No one called them "savages".  The original point was that invading German forces committed savagery in the Soviet Union.  Not your typical Wermacht soldiers.  But special units such as the Waffen SS and the Einsatzgruppen under the command of Himmler and Heydrich.  Goebbels pushed the propaganda that the Russians were savages.  But in many cases, it was payback for savagery that had been implemented on them.

The Soviet front was absolute hell for both sides.  The chance for survival for any POW was extremely low.

[Hoodat]

My question is, why do the Austrians get a pass?

And why do the Czechs get ignored?  Prague is almost half the distance to Berlin as is Vienna.

[Absalom]

My question is, why do the Austrians get a pass?  It's like the old joke that Austria is still trying to convince the world that Beethoven was Austrian, and Hitler was German.

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Agree that Haydn and Mozart, while Austrian by geography, were Germanic in temperament.
In his Gallic Wars dispatches to Rome, Julius Caesar emphasized that his difficulty in controlling
the Germanic Tribes was because of their reach, which extended from modern Belgium, Holland
as well a much of Northern France into the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia as well as western Hungary.