Barr: No evidence of fraud that’d change election outcome

[skeeter]

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Even a brick knows that answer!!!
It's because the Narcissist-in-Chief had 75 million unhinged sycophants, in thrall to
his relentless infantile noise.
While the Presidential vote rang loud and clear as an emphatic vote of NO CONFIDENCE
in Trump and his antics; the Congressional vote affirmed support for R House & Senate
members bringing them ever closer to a House majority!!!
As Koko mused (Mikado)........"He nevah will be missed, oh no, not evah....." !

Flawlessly logical. 

[Hoodat]

While the Presidential vote rang loud and clear as an emphatic vote of NO CONFIDENCE
in Trump and his antics; the Congressional vote affirmed support for R House & Senate
members bringing them ever closer to a House majority!!!

How do you reconcile that nonsense with the fact that Trump received more votes than did all GOP Congressional candidates combined?

[Victoria33]

Yes,  Trump did all those things,  but he also repulsed enough people to prevent his re -election. But the tragedy is that he was fatally flawed.

@Jazzhead

Yes, you are right.  He had a nasty name for every world leader and all individual Republicans and every individual Democrat - every person in the world.  He hasn't yet tossed his kids out because his blood runs in them.  He destroyed companies because he would not pay them for work on big projects - they went bankrupt when they could not stay in court as long as he did.  This is the life of this man - stay in court and nothing happens.

I know Senate Republicans talked to psychologists about Trump; then, they knew what he was and had to deal with it until he was no longer president.  That is coming up soon, after January 20, and if they are not still afraid of Trump destroying their livelihood, they will begin to talk.  Trump will try to hurt them the rest of his life.  That is what he does.
He is not a conservative - he is whatever he needs to be to get what he wants.

He is now gathering money from people across the nation, saying the money is for his PAC he is forming, but he has that money, about $170 million now, placed so he can use the money for whatever he wants.  He was a scammer when he got here and is one now.  Scammer: "A person who swindles you by means of deception or fraud."

He did some actions to please Republicans using EOs - not going through congress; he did not care for congress since he wanted to do actions by himself so he got all the "credit" for whatever it was.  Biden can cancel Trump's EOs, which he will begin doing his first day as President.

Some will say that old claim to me, "You hate Trump".  I did not hate any of my patients who had serious mental problems.  I do not hate him but he was and is, too flawed to be president. 

[catfish1957]

@Jazzhead

Yes, you are right.  He had a nasty name for every world leader and all individual Republicans and every individual Democrat - every person in the world.  He hasn't yet tossed his kids out because his blood runs in them.  He destroyed companies because he would not pay them for work on big projects - they went bankrupt when they could not stay in court as long as he did.  This is the life of this man - stay in court and nothing happens.

I know Senate Republicans talked to psychologists about Trump; then, they knew what he was and had to deal with it until he was no longer president.  That is coming up soon, after January 20, and if they are not still afraid of Trump destroying their livelihood, they will begin to talk.  Trump will try to hurt them the rest of his life.  That is what he does.
He is not a conservative - he is whatever he needs to be to get what he wants.

He is now gathering money from people across the nation, saying the money is for his PAC he is forming, but he has that money, about $170 million now, placed so he can use the money for whatever he wants.  He was a scammer when he got here and is one now.  Scammer: "A person who swindles you by means of deception or fraud."

He did some actions to please Republicans using EOs - not going through congress; he did not care for congress since he wanted to do actions by himself so he got all the "credit" for whatever it was.  Biden can cancel Trump's EOs, which he will begin doing his first day as President.

Some will say that old claim to me, "You hate Trump".  I did not hate any of my patients who had serious mental problems.  I do not hate him but he was and is, too flawed to be president.

I appreciate your experitse in the psychological arena, but honestly it still boiled down to this.....

Do you prefer a naricissist, who was turning the country's economy around, and was successfull in fighting the Chicom threat?  I have one thread on the Economy forum, where Trump's actions have forced the Chicoms to nearly default on some of their high flying AAA Corporate Bonds.  He allmost beat them in this game of High Stakes Chicken.  Also a POTUS who would continued to do his best to put conservative leaning judges in the judiciary.  Plus continued advocacy toward keeping energy independence.

Or do you prefer a pre-demenita candidate who has admittedly endorsed the NGD, and the loss of 20M jobs in the energy sector.  One who hired a woman as VPOTUS who will willlfully take this country down a wreckless SJW, envirowhacko, and socialist path.  One who pundits think will add $15T to the national debt by 2024?  And that doesn't include the likelyhood of Biden's association with the Chicoms, and influence peddling to the biggest threat to our country.

Seemed like a pretty easy choice to me.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

How do you reconcile that nonsense with the fact that Trump received more votes than did all GOP Congressional candidates combined?

We are still waiting for something, anything from him that makes sense.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Or that they just haven't looked.

Watching CNN isn't exactly "investigating" and twitter and Fecebook have been sanitized for the Dems and the NWO.

Or perhaps this instead.

When Trump installed Bill Barr as his attorney general, most conservatives thought this was a good thing.  Barr was seen as a straight shooter who had come out of retirement to help clean up the Justice Department that Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch had corrupted and that Jeff Sessions had been helpless to repair.  In his two years in office, he's accomplished some excellent things but much less than conservatives had hoped he would.  Things went haywire today, though, when Barr said the DOJ has "not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election."  What?!

Barr made that statement during an interview with AP, which is resolutely anti-Trump.  Indeed, although the article purports to be an interview with Barr, most of it is another mean girl–style AP article that attacks Trump and his supporters.  In the whole article, there's only one other quotation from Barr that comes from the current interview (as opposed to recycled quotations from prior interviews):

There's been one assertion that would be systemic fraud and that would be the claim that machines were programmed essentially to skew the election results. And the DHS and DOJ have looked into that, and so far, we haven't seen anything to substantiate that.

The same article relays that Barr appointed U.S. attorney John Durham as special counsel back in October in order to allow Durham to continue to investigate the Trump-Russia hoax (the AP calls it a "probe") after Biden moves into the White House.  In theory, a special counsel is hard to fire, but that's only if you're Trump.  We know that if Biden wants to fire Durham, Durham will be gone in minutes, with the media throwing rocks at him on his way out.

So what's the story here?  In 2019, Barr got off to a good start by ending the Russia hoax.  He's also spoken out forcefully about religious freedom.  And it wasn't his fault that after he agreed that the case against General Flynn should be dismissed, a corrupt judge violated all applicable legal principles to keep the case alive.  Still, I can't help noticing that every person who perverted the American intelligence system is thriving with television appearances and lucrative book deals.

Also, Barr's statements during the interview that the DOJ and DHS have not seen either evidence of fraud or evidence sufficient to change the election outcome make no sense.  There's been a mountain of eyewitness evidence that fraud occurred on such a large scale that it would easily affect the outcome of the election.

Gateway Pundit has been best at tracking the fraud stories, so here are just some examples from the last 48 hours:

Truckloads of ballots arrived in Arizona 10 days after vote-counting seemingly ended.
Biden ballots in Michigan were scanned 8 to 10 times.
Over 100,000 Wisconsin late ballots backdated to November 3.
Dominion, by failing to pay taxes, was not allowed to operate in Missouri.
Michigan poll watcher watched dollies full of Biden ballots arrive at 4 a.m.
Two trailers full of completed ballots went from Pennsylvania to New York, with one traveling on November 4.
Georgia election officials alleged filmed destroying evidence.
Michigan and Georgia campaign operatives tampered with military ballots.
The above list not only does not include the preceding three weeks of eyewitness evidence from across the contested states, but also doesn't touch upon all the statistical and mathematical testimony.  There is a lot of evidence.

What Barr could have quibbled with is whether the evidence can be trusted.  However, to date, no one has done so.  Media leftists have simply announced that there is no evidence or that it's been "debunked," without actually debunking it.  Could Bar have committed the same fallacy of discounting the evidence without weighing its veracity or probative value?

Interestingly, Trump did not brutally attack Barr, opting to say nothing. Instead, Trump's legal team simply pointed out, "with all due respect," that the DOJ hadn't bothered yet to conduct an investigation.

Trump's unusual silence may mean we're watching a magician's misdirection.  This school of thought says the real investigative work has been taking place far from the swamp in which Barr finds himself — and Trump wants to keep it that way.  By having Barr make a technically accurate statement, which is that his Justice Department hasn't seen anything, Trump can keep the media from paying attention to just how much evidence there really is.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/12/is_bill_barr_a_bad_guy_or_helpfully_spreading_disinformation.html

[Hoodat]

I appreciate your experitse in the psychological arena, but honestly it still boiled down to this.....

Do you prefer a naricissist, who was turning the country's economy around, and was successfull in fighting the Chicom threat?  I have one thread on the Economy forum, where Trump's actions have forced the Chicoms to nearly default on some of their high flying AAA Corporate Bonds.  He allmost beat them in this game of High Stakes Chicken.  Also a POTUS who would continued to do his best to put conservative leaning judges in the judiciary.  Plus continued advocacy toward keeping energy independence.

Or do you prefer a pre-demenita candidate who has admittedly endorsed the NGD, and the loss of 20M jobs in the energy sector.  One who hired a woman a VPOTUS who will willlfully take this country down a wreckless SJW, envirowhacko, and socialist path.  One who pundits think will add $15T to the national debt by 2024?  And that doesn't include the likelyhood of Biden's association with the Chicoms, and influence peddling to the biggest threat to our country.

Seemed like a pretty easy choice to me.

There 11 million more Americans who chose the former than there were 4 years ago.  Yet we still have people here pushing the totally false narrative that Trump lost votes from then until now.

[Knox27]

@Jazzhead

Yes, you are right.  He had a nasty name for every world leader and all individual Republicans and every individual Democrat - every person in the world.  He hasn't yet tossed his kids out because his blood runs in them.  He destroyed companies because he would not pay them for work on big projects - they went bankrupt when they could not stay in court as long as he did.  This is the life of this man - stay in court and nothing happens.

I know Senate Republicans talked to psychologists about Trump; then, they knew what he was and had to deal with it until he was no longer president.  That is coming up soon, after January 20, and if they are not still afraid of Trump destroying their livelihood, they will begin to talk.  Trump will try to hurt them the rest of his life.  That is what he does.
He is not a conservative - he is whatever he needs to be to get what he wants.

He is now gathering money from people across the nation, saying the money is for his PAC he is forming, but he has that money, about $170 million now, placed so he can use the money for whatever he wants.  He was a scammer when he got here and is one now.  Scammer: "A person who swindles you by means of deception or fraud."

He did some actions to please Republicans using EOs - not going through congress; he did not care for congress since he wanted to do actions by himself so he got all the "credit" for whatever it was.  Biden can cancel Trump's EOs, which he will begin doing his first day as President.

Some will say that old claim to me, "You hate Trump".  I did not hate any of my patients who had serious mental problems.  I do not hate him but he was and is, too flawed to be president.

Well said.

And I'd go a step further and say that after he leaves office he can be viewed as a threat to national security. He hates the DOJ, hates American intelligence services, has put them down and taken the side of the Intel of a foreign govt I shall not name.

A man with massive debts to foreign banks, with no integrity, no love of country, and a trove of valuable intelligence...not a great mix.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

He inspires 80 million people to vote against him when he had the best thing that an incumbent can have going for him, a good economic record in terms of jobs and wages....and still he was so hated that 80 million people said "you're fired".

Even when running against a generic old man.

The fallacy in that claim is in saying all those counted votes came from real people.

Exactly how do you know that anyway?

Isn't that exactly why a number of states are examining or challenging the count in their own state?

[Victoria33]

I find it deeply troubling that no one from the GOP, including Cruz has stood up and cried foul.  Cruz stated that he saw a pathway to Trump overturning this election, but that's it.  Perhaps he came forward to offer his expertise and maybe was told "no" or perhaps he saw that Trump tapped Giuliani for the win ... but everyone else has for the most part remained silent.

@libertybele

The Republicans, including Cruz, knew Trump had to go, so they stayed silent.  They were willing to see Biden in, to remove Trump. 

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Well said.

And I'd go a step further and say that after he leaves office he can be viewed as a threat to national security. He hates the DOJ, hates American intelligence services, has put them down and taken the side of the Intel of a foreign govt I shall not name.

A man with massive debts to foreign banks, with no integrity, no love of country, and a trove of valuable intelligence...not a great mix.

Wow, we can all see we have a Biden supporter here.

Exactly why are you on this GOP conservative website anyway?

[catfish1957]

The fallacy in that claim is in saying all those counted votes came from real people.

The mere fact that Pedo Joe secured 15M votes more than Hitlery is way beyond the realm of plausibility. As bad of a candidate as she was, she still was a hell of a lot more persuavive than their Weekend at Bernie's candidate this time.   I just don't believe it, and never will.

[catfish1957]

The fallacy in that claim is in saying all those counted votes came from real people.

Exactly how do you know that anyway?

Isn't that exactly why a number of states are examining or challenging the count in their own state?

As bad as I hate to say it, Barr's statment yesterday was pretty much the death knell blow. He as top law enforcerment officer just gave SCOTUS practical cover to refuse hear any of the cases.

[Knox27]

Wow, we can all see we have a Biden supporter here.

Exactly why are you on this GOP conservative website anyway?

Where do you see evidence i support biden?

Trump is not a republican or a conservative.  Being honest about him is not a political stance. Im an American first, then a republican. Followed closely by an absurdist and a selfless lover.

I oppose biden on his economic philosophy, his regulation philosophy and those are two pretty big concerns among a host of others.

[Victoria33]

Well said.  And I'd go a step further and say that after he leaves office he can be viewed as a threat to national security. He hates the DOJ, hates American intelligence services, has put them down and taken the side of the Intel of a foreign govt I shall not name.
A man with massive debts to foreign banks, with no integrity, no love of country, and a trove of valuable intelligence...not a great mix.

@Knox27

I have read intelligence officials are concerned about his "secrets" knowledge; thinking he may tell it (them) for whatever reason.  I never worried about this with other presidents, but this ex-president soon, is different than other ex-presidents.

[Absalom]

[quote author=Victoria33 link=topic=421528.msg2337460#msg2337460 date=16069429
Yes, you are right.  He had a nasty name for every world leader and all individual Republicans and every individual Democrat - every person in the world.  He hasn't yet tossed his kids out because his blood runs in them.  He destroyed companies because he would not pay them for work on big projects - they went bankrupt when they could not stay in court as long as he did.  This is the life of this man - stay in court and nothing happens.
I know Senate Republicans talked to psychologists about Trump; then, they knew what he was and had to deal with it until he was no longer president.  That is coming up soon, after January 20, and if they are not still afraid of Trump destroying their livelihood, they will begin to talk.  Trump will try to hurt them the rest of his life.  That is what he does.
He is not a conservative - he is whatever he needs to be to get what he wants.

He is now gathering money from people across the nation, saying the money is for his PAC he is forming, but he has that money, about $170 million now, placed so he can use the money for whatever he wants.  He was a scammer when he got here and is one now.  Scammer: "A person who swindles you by means of deception or fraud."
He did some actions to please Republicans using EOs - not going through congress; he did not care for congress since he wanted to do actions by himself so he got all the "credit" for whatever it was.  Biden can cancel Trump's EOs, which he will begin doing his first day as President.
Some will say that old claim to me, "You hate Trump".  I did not hate any of my patients who had serious mental problems.  I do not hate him but he was and is, too flawed to be president.
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An observation.
The Almighty was beyond gracious in sparing his Mother
the experience of witnessing his performance as POTUS.

[DCPatriot]

Where do you see evidence i support biden?

Trump is not a republican or a conservative.  Being honest about him is not a political stance. Im an American first, then a republican. Followed closely by an absurdist and a selfless lover.

I oppose biden on his economic philosophy, his regulation philosophy and those are two pretty big concerns among a host of others.

So @Knox27 ...aren't "those [same] two pretty big concerns" for you to vote for Donald J. Trump? 

Furthermore, please explain why you believe "Trump is not Republican or a Conservative"?  Give examples.

[mystery-ak]

Wow, we can all see we have a Biden supporter here.

Exactly why are you on this GOP conservative website anyway?

That's what I want to know...hmmm!

[IsailedawayfromFR]

My attitude is I will NEVER vote for someone who isn't a conservative and will not support anyone who isn't a Constitutional conservative -- both are few and few between.

I find it deeply troubling that no one from the GOP, including Cruz has stood up and cried foul.  Cruz stated that he saw a pathway to Trump overturning this election, but that's it.  Perhaps he came forward to offer his expertise and maybe was told "no" or perhaps he saw that Trump tapped Giuliani for the win ... but everyone else has for the most part remained silent.

The GOP is done.

I watched both the GOP Pennsylvanian and Arizonian legislators stating in meetings that there were serious questions to the legitimacy of the way the elections in their states transpired so I find it odd you make a statement like that.

I also listened to Cruz's statement here http://twitter.com/i/status/1325568443740008455 and I thought he clearly thought it premature to declare Biden a winner and said there were serious disputes on the vote totals.  In the interview, the question posed to him was concerning whether Biden should be considered the President-Elect.

As an aside, I did hear him also say that the American people are the ones that elect the President, which they in fact do not due directly.  He knows full well that the states select the electors which vote on the Presidency instead.

[mystery-ak]

As bad as I hate to say it, Barr's statment yesterday was pretty much the death knell blow. He as top law enforcerment officer just gave SCOTUS practical cover to refuse hear any of the cases.

Totally agree....time is running out if they ARE going to SCOTUS..

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Where do you see evidence i support biden?

Trump is not a republican or a conservative.  Being honest about him is not a political stance. Im an American first, then a republican. Followed closely by an absurdist and a selfless lover.

I oppose biden on his economic philosophy, his regulation philosophy and those are two pretty big concerns among a host of others.

If you don't support Biden and you most certainly don't support Trump with the characterizations you made of him, you must have gone third party or didn't vote at all.

Care to tell us who your conscience told you to vote for?

[IsailedawayfromFR]

@Knox27

I have read intelligence officials are concerned about his "secrets" knowledge; thinking he may tell it (them) for whatever reason.  I never worried about this with other presidents, but this ex-president soon, is different than other ex-presidents.

Why are you just worried about the President here?

Do you not realize there are hundreds of people in an administration, from state dept to defense to CIA to every US attorney that have what you call 'secrets'?

If the paranoia of divulging 'secrets' keeps you up at night, you might want to think about all those other guys in ALL administrations, which have to be in many thousands.

[Knox27]

So @Knox27 ...aren't "those [same] two pretty big concerns" for you to vote for Donald J. Trump? 

Furthermore, please explain why you believe "Trump is not Republican or a Conservative"?  Give examples.

Trump is a nationalist populist as far as he has any principles at all, and even then i doubt how much he cares about the welfare of any non elite member of society.  That's not a philosophy I care for.

And as for those 2 issues.  Trump is a one trick pony.  He gleaned all the benefits of a low interest rate by the fed.  He was valuable in moving the definition of full employment as well.  Ill miss the deregulation. But thats it.  He has shown he cannot be trusted with a crisis. He is a foreign security liability.  The trade war was a disaster.  He has done nothing to stop ilegal immigration.  He puts down freedom of speech and bullies protesters.  He has taken zero action for climate change.  He has too many negatives.

[Victoria33]

I appreciate your experitse in the psychological arena, but honestly it still boiled down to this.....

Thank you @catfish1957

Wait until January 20 - see if Trump bombs Iran's underground nuclear area before that date.  He said he wants to give Israel one last gift before he leaves and that is bombing that Iran area.  He brought this up to his Pentagon official (I have that name on my other computer); the officer said don't do it and Trump fired him.  Trump has sent our bombers to the middle east now - no one knows where they are at this time.

[catfish1957]

Trump is a nationalist populist as far as he has any principles at all, and even then i doubt how much he cares about the welfare of any non elite member of society.  That's not a philosophy I care for.

And as for those 2 issues.  Trump is a one trick pony.  He gleaned all the benefits of a low interest rate by the fed.  He was valuable in moving the definition of full employment as well.  Ill miss the deregulation. But thats it.  He has shown he cannot be trusted with a crisis. He is a foreign security liability.  The trade war was a disaster.  He has done nothing to stop ilegal immigration.  He puts down freedom of speech and bullies protesters. He has taken zero action for climate change. He has too many negatives.

WTF folks....   We have an enviro-whacko here!!!!!!!!!