Republican Tuberville Headed for Big Win in Alabama Senate Race

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

Soooo,you think anarchy is the answer!

Good to know.

No, I think electing Conservatives is the answer... And holding their feet to the fire to get actual, factual results.

[sneakypete]

It is not snark. Your choice is between Marxist globalists or corporate socialist globalists. Go ahead. Choose.

@roamer_1

You sound more like a 8 year old anarchist with every post you make.

Nobody will ever suit you for president unless it is you,so you just stamp your little feets,and whine about the unfairness of it all.

Guess what,Bubba. There ain't no such thing as a perfect government,and there will never be such a thing because governments are created by people,and people are imperfect.

So,go ahead and stand alone on your little hill top flying your "roamer battle flag" and see how much good it does you.

[roamer_1]

BTW,you ain't fooling anybody. You were hating on Trump before he was even elected. You hate him because he is a Billionaire,and you aren't.

@sneakypete

Caught this edit, which must be about the most idiotic statement I have ever heard. I have no love of money, nor of fame. Have had both in small doses, and I like myself better without. And I find those attracted to such sparkling rhinestones to have little sense.

So whatever makes you think you can read my mind with such a statement is entirely ludicrous.

I don't hate Tumpy. If he wasn't POTUS he wouldn't be on my radar at all. And if he weren't claiming to be conservative, I would have nothing to say.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

Caught this edit, which must be about the most idiotic statement I have ever heard. I have no love of money, nor of fame. Have had both in small doses, and I like myself better without. And I find those attracted to such sparkling rhinestones to have little sense.

@roamer_1

And there it is.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

You sound more like a 8 year old anarchist with every post you make.

Nobody will ever suit you for president unless it is you,so you just stamp your little feets,and whine about the unfairness of it all.

Funny that, @sneakypete ... Because I was all set to pull the lever for Cruz. And I have voted in nearly every election, as I am likely to do in this one. Just not for your Dear Leader.

Guess what,Bubba. There ain't no such thing as a perfect government,and there will never be such a thing because governments are created by people,and people are imperfect.

An old and tired argument designed exactly for settling for less. And less. And less... To the point that there is nothing left to settle for, and it just becomes mechanical. And that's the bullshit that has lead to not a single Conservative gain, in all my life - Not a single win. At some point y'all are just mouthin the words.

So,go ahead and stand alone on your little hill top flying your "roamer battle flag" and see how much good it does you.

Suits me fine.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

And there it is.

There WHAT is?

[Mod5]

Cool down time out and then in probation when re-opened.

[catfish1957]

It is not snark. Your choice is between Marxist globalists or corporate socialist globalists. Go ahead. Choose.

As for me, I will not. I will give my endorsement to those who deserve it. That falls within the distinct parameters of principled conservatism, because within those parameters globalism cannot survive... And neither can Marxism/Socialism.

What is missing is opposition. The false choice is preventing opposition, as it has all the way along.

Marxism cannot exist without central control of government And corporate cronyism cannot exist in federalism, where a central government does not have the wherewithal to rule with summary decrees - The principles of Conservatism, of civil-libertarianism and fiscal conservatism wholly prevent all of it from existing. Ergo, it is counter-productive entirely to lend your endorsement to the continuation of anything else. Because in endorsing either current choice continues both, shading out the opposition which liberty demands.

My vote for a Constitution Party candidate, or my abstinence, either one, is better than endorsing the continued Kabuki theater, and promotes opposition. To BOTH. As it should be.

All Y'all are doing nothing different than the Bushies or the McCainiacs, or the Romneyites...  All hyphenated 'conservatisims' that eliminated principle things - And the things not done were the things that pushed socialism forward, without opposition... In fact often defended by the right.

And thus it comes, lauded in the cacophony raised by both sides, upending the very things that both sides stand for.

As I said, the only winning move is not to play. It does not matter which side wins - Liberty will suffer either way... What must come is opposition. REAL opposition, according to Conservatism's principles.

In that I will happily lend my vote, and my livelihood, and my treasure. ANYTHING LESS is doing nothing anyway.

I always considered you my closest ally here early on, especially on matters of uncontrolled deficits.  You very well know I dislike Donald Trump too.  I think he is a narcissitic megalomaniac.  My anger against Trump during the '16 primaries got me banned at TOS.  It took me a long time to get over those hard feelings.  But guess what.....   The dimocratic party took an EXTREME left turn.  Even though the deficit is and always will be my #1 issue, there still are issue No.'s #2-#100.  Many of those have our opponents taking us off the cliff of socialism.  I am willing to stomach DJT's shortcomings to prevent that.  Every person like you is basically casting a half a vote for the Biden-AOC contingent.  And sorry my friend....   that is NOT in the spirit of conservative principles.   If Biden squeeks this thing out based on hard headedness of a few......    I'd hate to be in your boat.

[Mod5]

End the personal snipping now and get the discussion back somewhere near on-topic or the thread will be closed.

[catfish1957]

End the personal snipping now and get the discussion back somewhere near on-topic or the thread will be closed.

Huh?  If what I just stated is outside of forum parameters then ban my ass then!!!!

Terrible overreach

[roamer_1]

I always considered you my closest ally here early on, especially on matters of uncontrolled deficits. 

Still that way from this direction. Your conservative credz go without saying.

You very well know I dislike Donald Trump too.  I think he is a narcissitic megalomaniac.  My anger against Trump during the '16 primaries got me banned at TOS.  It took me a long time to get over those hard feelings. 

It ain't about hard feelings. It is about performance and adherence to principle.

But guess what.....   The dimocratic party took an EXTREME left turn.  Even though the deficit is and always will be my #1 issue, there still are issue No.'s #2-#100.  Many of those have our opponents taking us off the cliff of socialism. 

Incidental. There is a Biblical principle that serves here: Worry about your own house first. That's where I am. I do not bend well to fear. What will stop this is a principled stand. and where that occurs, I will be there. This is not it.

I am willing to stomach DJT's shortcomings to prevent that. 

I am not. Between  egregious spending (I mean the worst spending record EVER) and the tyrannical shutdown of the nation, there is no way in hell I will reward that with my endorsement. Beyond that, nothing conservative passed in law, and nothing else but candy thrown at the front of the parade. BAH!

Every person like you is basically casting a half a vote for the Biden-AOC contingent. 

Utter nonsense. You know better. A reasoned argument would get you further - If you had one, which I already know you don't. At best you have to be holding your nose... I am all the way done with that.

And sorry my friend....   that is NOT in the spirit of conservative principles.   If Biden squeeks this thing out based on hard headedness of a few......    I'd hate to be in your boat.

Why? Because I stand on the same damn ground I always have? It is not hard-headedness, nor is it purity... But merely common sense and a reasonable intent to stand in truth.

[Cyber Liberty]

 

[catfish1957]

You can choose a ready guide
In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice

----  Neil Peart 1980

[Cyber Liberty]

You can choose a ready guide
In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice

----  Neil Peart 1980

I've always liked that one from Rush....

[Wingnut]

I've always liked that one from Rush....

It's a choice.

[Cyber Liberty]

It's a choice.

Some kid I registered to vote last week was afraid of what would happen if he registered and then didn't vote.  I explained nothing would, because in not voting he would still be exercising a legitimate choice.

[catfish1957]

It's a choice.

Anyone picturing that 2021-2025 would look better with Biden as POTUS rather than Trump has a tenious relationship with reality. 

[roamer_1]

You can choose a ready guide
In some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide
You still have made a choice

----  Neil Peart 1980

TRUE. That I have chosen to be guided by the tenets of Conservatism should be no surprise here.

[Wingnut]

Some kid I registered to vote last week was afraid of what would happen if he registered and then didn't vote.  I explained nothing would, because in not voting he would still be exercising a legitimate choice.

I fear for our future if kids like that replicate.

[roamer_1]

Anyone picturing that 2021-2025 would look better with Biden as POTUS rather than Trump has a tenious relationship with reality.

In other words - to vote against democrats. That is an impossibility. A vote is an endorsement *for*...

So behind the disguise of falsity and the shallow excuse, I am being asked to vote *FOR* Tumpy... to extend approval for what he has done.

No. Oh HELL no. 

[catfish1957]

In other words - to vote against democrats. That is an impossibility. A vote is an endorsement *for*...

So behind the disguise of falsity and the shallow excuse, I am being asked to vote *FOR* Tumpy... to extend approval for what he has done.

No. Oh HELL no. 

Pfffffff...

List (without researching) 5 people you would vote for POTUS.  I am timing you. 

[mountaineer]

We get it, roamer. So don't vote in the presidential election this year.

There, problem solved.

[catfish1957]

Pfffffff...

List (without researching) 5 people you would vote for POTUS.  I am timing you.

Buzzzz..   15 minutes past, times up.  My conclusion:

(1) Your platinum standard of conservatism does not exist in the real world. 
(2) You've realized that when you tally the most utmost conservative senators, reps, and governors they support DJT 75-100% of the time.  And in your mind, you can't support anyone who agrees with Trump.
(3) Your TDS has consumed you to the point you are not thinking rationally. 

So is your choice a $30T deficit with Trump, or a $50T deficit with Biden.  To me that is a choice.  Wake up man.

[roamer_1]

Pfffffff...

List (without researching) 5 people you would vote for POTUS.  I am timing you.

What is that supposed to prove? I will probably be voting CP Blankenship/Mohr, though I have not yet looked at what AIP has to offer... Though LaFuente seems greasy to me, and Kanye West is pimping to much. That's all that matters right now. And that's all I am looking at now For POTUS.

Otherwise I will be leaving the top of the ticket and governor, congressional and senate lines blank... I will not reward voting for those monstrous spending packages. I will not vote for Gianforte no matter what. I have voted for Daines in the past, but will pass this time. And I am on the fence with Rosendale.

Time me for what? How the hell do you know what else I am doing? What if I was on the phone when you posted and I had to clear the call before replying (which I actually did)? What if I was on the pot? Or cooking my dang lunch (which I am doing now)? What if I walked out to the road to bring the garbage can in (which I actually did)? What is timing me supposed to tell you?

[catfish1957]

What is that supposed to prove? I will probably be voting CP Blankenship/Mohr, though I have not yet looked at what AIP has to offer... Though LaFuente seems greasy to me, and Kanye West is pimping to much. That's all that matters right now. And that's all I am looking at now For POTUS.

Otherwise I will be leaving the top of the ticket and governor, congressional and senate lines blank... I will not reward voting for those monstrous spending packages. I will not vote for Gianforte no matter what. I have voted for Daines in the past, but will pass this time. And I am on the fence with Rosendale.

Time me for what? How the hell do you know what else I am doing? What if I was on the phone when you posted and I had to clear the call before replying (which I actually did)? What if I was on the pot? Or cooking my dang lunch (which I am doing now)? What if I walked out to the road to bring the garbage can in (which I actually did)? What is timing me supposed to tell you?

No significant disrespect intended.  I made my point.