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What we lost in 4 months
« on: July 26, 2020, 01:06:33 pm »

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What exactly have we lost in the last 4 months? We lost the right to peacefully assemble, but not the right to violently assemble. Church? Gone. School? Gone. Essential? Non-essential? Out to eat? To the movies? What else?
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Re: What we lost in 4 months
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2020, 01:32:10 pm »
Well, all of this really began on 9/11/2001..
The last 4 months is just the latest salvo..

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Re: What we lost in 4 months
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2020, 01:59:37 pm »
Well, all of this really began on 9/11/2001..
The last 4 months is just the latest salvo..

Couldn't agree more sir!
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Re: What we lost in 4 months
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2020, 02:03:01 pm »
WE haven't LOST anything! Most of us willingly gave it ALL away!  Sadly, we have become a nation of SHEEP!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Re: What we lost in 4 months
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2020, 06:41:18 pm »
   Thanks @Practical

No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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Re: What we lost in 4 months
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2020, 06:48:51 pm »
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Re: What we lost in 4 months
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2020, 06:55:21 pm »
WE haven't LOST anything! Most of us willingly gave it ALL away!  Sadly, we have become a nation of SHEEP!

We fell for all the scare tactics, particularly those daily announcements of more cases.  We traded in our freedoms for the promise of security.

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Re: What we lost in 4 months
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2020, 07:00:16 pm »
WE haven't LOST anything! Most of us willingly gave it ALL away!  Sadly, we have become a nation of SHEEP!

Those of us that are raising kids thru this mess are really stuck.... Do you teach them to ignore what the government is telling us?
Schools are closed, parks were closed, stores were closed and won't let you in now unless you wear a mask...

No place to go even if you "brave" the virus.

I just think there is more to this than just labeling everyone as a sheep.

Those in charge will have to answer for this crap someday, somehow..

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Re: What we lost in 4 months
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2020, 07:03:54 pm »
Those of us that are raising kids thru this mess are really stuck.... Do you teach them to ignore what the government is telling us?
Schools are closed, parks were closed, stores were closed and won't let you in now unless you wear a mask...

No place to go even if you "brave" the virus.

I just think there is more to this than just labeling everyone as a sheep.

Those in charge will have to answer for this crap someday, somehow..

I understand that @EdinVA and sympathies with it.  Blanket statements rarely are correct but we HAVE largely become a nation full of people with exactly zero skills in critical thinking. And that is no accident either.
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Re: What we lost in 4 months
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2020, 07:08:59 pm »
Those of us that are raising kids thru this mess are really stuck.... Do you teach them to ignore what the government is telling us?
Schools are closed, parks were closed, stores were closed and won't let you in now unless you wear a mask...

No place to go even if you "brave" the virus.

I just think there is more to this than just labeling everyone as a sheep.

Those in charge will have to answer for this crap someday, somehow..

I do believe if our government masters try to lock us all down again as we were during the first couple of months, there will be open revolt. 

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Re: What we lost in 4 months
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2020, 07:11:54 pm »
I do believe if our government masters try to lock us all down again as we were during the first couple of months, there will be open revolt.

I could deal with the lock down if the reasons were real.
The part of all of this that  9999hair out0000 9999hair out0000 is the constant, habitual LYING.. Nothing the government and medical industries have told us over the last 6 months has been based on ANY evidence of truth...

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Re: What we lost in 4 months
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2020, 07:23:13 pm »
Those of us that are raising kids thru this mess are really stuck.... Do you teach them to ignore what the government is telling us?
Schools are closed, parks were closed, stores were closed and won't let you in now unless you wear a mask...

No place to go even if you "brave" the virus.

I just think there is more to this than just labeling everyone as a sheep.

Those in charge will have to answer for this crap someday, somehow..

Well...my two cents....you are the biggest influence on your children and have every right to point out your feelings that what they government is saying may be less then truthful and why. The liberal brainwashing isn't needed. Also, you may consider to home school and teach them the truth about the history of this country and keep an open dialogue.

Parks are a wonderful way to still get out and be among others; picnics, bike rides, kayaking, canoeing, kite flying .... and when and if the churches are allowed to open they are a great avenue for socialization.
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Re: What we lost in 4 months
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2020, 07:25:05 pm »
I could deal with the lock down if the reasons were real.
The part of all of this that  9999hair out0000 9999hair out0000 is the constant, habitual LYING.. Nothing the government and medical industries have told us over the last 6 months has been based on ANY evidence of truth...

The daily reports on new cases get to me.  I was reading earlier today about the number of false negatives in the testing, but I am convinced that there are more false positives than false negatives.  And that is in addition to states like mine which include unconfirmed cases with the confirmed  I believe there is a deliberate effort to inflate the numbers to scare us all into submission.

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Re: What we lost in 4 months
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2020, 07:31:49 pm »
I do believe if our government masters try to lock us all down again as we were during the first couple of months, there will be open revolt.

There is no rhyme or reason to shutting us down -- they are going to shut us down, but rioting is permissible?  Definitely not.
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Re: What we lost in 4 months
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2020, 07:36:57 pm »
The daily reports on new cases get to me.  I was reading earlier today about the number of false negatives in the testing, but I am convinced that there are more false positives than false negatives.  And that is in addition to states like mine which include unconfirmed cases with the confirmed  I believe there is a deliberate effort to inflate the numbers to scare us all into submission.

What gets me is the claim that our hospitals are filling up -- that may be but my doctor told me the numbers are high in the hospitals because of the backlog of surgeries and procedures that were put on hold -- the hospitals are putting them on hold again -- 3 months of delayed procedures/surgeries adds up.  My daughter spoke to one of her nurse friends -- there were 0 COVID patients in the ICU where she works. 

So there may be an increase in hospitalizations due to COVID but IMHO the numbers being reported aren't all COVID cases. 
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Re: What we lost in 4 months
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2020, 08:00:07 pm »
I could deal with the lock down if the reasons were real.
The part of all of this that  9999hair out0000 9999hair out0000 is the constant, habitual LYING.. Nothing the government and medical industries have told us over the last 6 months has been based on ANY evidence of truth...

You put your finger on it.  You don't have to be convinced the reasons are real, the politicians only have to convince half the people it's "necessary." ****sheep****
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Re: What we lost in 4 months
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2020, 08:02:36 pm »
The daily reports on new cases get to me.  I was reading earlier today about the number of false negatives in the testing, but I am convinced that there are more false positives than false negatives.  And that is in addition to states like mine which include unconfirmed cases with the confirmed  I believe there is a deliberate effort to inflate the numbers to scare us all into submission.

The best way to handle the data on "new cases" is to rip it up and throw it away.  No data is better than distorted data that always supports bigger and more robust government.

We've had sufficient experience with this to know that just about the only half-way reliable data is COVID deaths, and that has its data-fudging issues as well.
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Re: What we lost in 4 months
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2020, 08:27:32 pm »
The best way to handle the data on "new cases" is to rip it up and throw it away.  No data is better than distorted data that always supports bigger and more robust government.

We've had sufficient experience with this to know that just about the only half-way reliable data is COVID deaths, and that has its data-fudging issues as well.

I stopped reading the data.  About the only thing I might be exposed to is some frowny-faced news reader with the latest number of new positive cases locally and how many local deaths.  Even that I'm managing to avoid by waiting till about 15 minutes past the hour or 15 minutes to the hour and tuning in  to the local weather report only.  Basically, I'm bypassing the news because the endless coronavirus reports were making me nuts.

And I do believe those COVID-related death toll figures are bogus.  How do we know the cause of death really was COVID?  Since many of the fatalities involve people with underlying health issues, how do we know if they die, it wasn't because of those health issues and not COVID?

The media with its sensationalism and out-and-out lying has made us all suspicious about everything.  We can no longer trust.  And IMO, that lack of trust will ultimately doom their plans for complete domination.  People aren't believing their bovine excrement anymore and they are going to resist any further attempts to limit their freedom.

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Re: What we lost in 4 months
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2020, 08:32:18 pm »
Don't know if this is true or not, but good news, if so....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8557749/Walmart-Home-Depot-Walgreens-CVS-serve-customers-dont-wear-masks.html

Face mask U-turn: Walmart, Home Depot, Walgreens and CVS are among stores saying they WILL serve customers who don't wear masks despite announcing face coverings were mandatory
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Re: What we lost in 4 months
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2020, 08:36:29 pm »
   I think the hospitals, even the non-profit ones, are feeding at the government teat, more so than usual.
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« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2020, 08:38:31 pm »
Don't know if this is true or not, but good news, if so....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8557749/Walmart-Home-Depot-Walgreens-CVS-serve-customers-dont-wear-masks.html

Face mask U-turn: Walmart, Home Depot, Walgreens and CVS are among stores saying they WILL serve customers who don't wear masks despite announcing face coverings were mandatory
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Having retailers take on the role of the 'mask police' puts them in an uncomfortable position at a time when many shops are in no position financially to refuse business.
Finally, some common sense...

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Re: What we lost in 4 months
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2020, 11:19:02 am »
I really should have titled that piece more accurately, 'What we gave up in 4 months' or 'What we gave up for 'security?'

Hope it came off correctly tho!
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« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2020, 12:00:18 pm »
I really should have titled that piece more accurately, 'What we gave up in 4 months' or 'What we gave up for 'security?'

Hope it came off correctly tho!

I think the title is fine and we know what you meant.  I'm just mad that we fell for a lot of BS early on which induced so many of us to give up our freedoms and just about drove our economy into the ditch.  The good news is that people have come to their senses.  They realize what has been done to them and what some in authority are still trying to do to them and, as the line from the movie Network says, they are mad as hell and are not going to take it anymore.  Thank God the American spirit is alive and well.

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Re: What we lost in 4 months
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2020, 12:00:25 pm »
When I visit my mom, I can’t hug her goodbye. I can’t even touch her hand.

I haven’t touched another human being since this thing started. For people who live alone, this is hard. Yes, I can talk to family members via Zoom or FaceTime but, people need human contact.
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« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2020, 12:13:50 pm »
When I visit my mom, I can’t hug her goodbye. I can’t even touch her hand.

I haven’t touched another human being since this thing started. For people who live alone, this is hard. Yes, I can talk to family members via Zoom or FaceTime but, people need human contact.

Last week, I stumbled upon a clip from a news conference given by the head of our state department of health where a list of resources to contact for assistance during this pandemic was given.  One of the phone numbers  was for help with mental health issues brought about by this pandemic.  I was outraged -- shouting at the tv something like, well, if you and the rest of those in authority hadn't ordered everyone into lockdown and cut us off from physical contact with our loved ones, maybe we wouldn't be in a mental health crisis and wouldn't need that kind of help.

I do believe that for a lot of people, it won't be the virus itself that will destroy us.  it will be the mental and emotional toll that will do us in.  Most of us are social people.  We do need that physical contact with our loved ones and not having that is killing us.