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Stop The Mask CULT By Any Means Necessary*
« on: July 01, 2020, 07:09:42 pm »
Stop The Mask CULT By Any Means Necessary*

2020-07-01 10:11 by Karl Denninger

Folks, the science is settled on masks.

As I have repeatedly pointed out they do nothing for viruses.  There are a number of reasons for this -- and physics tells us that they shouldn't work.  If you want to read the whole screed it's here, complete with a link to another source from before when these became politicized that includes links to multiple random controlled trials, which are the gold standard in medicine.  They found no evidence that masks even when worn by medical personnel who are trained, did anything to inhibit viral transmission.

There are plenty of observational studies that claim effectiveness.  Observational studies are worthless; by definition they cannot prove causal links.  Further, as I've repeatedly pointed out the person who wants to make an extraordinarily claim (or impose an extraordinarily order, such as a lockdown or a mask requirement) has the burden of proof, not suggestion.

There are people who say "well, but one viral particle isn't enough to get infected, so if you block some of them that's benefit."  That's only half-true.  All viruses have what is called a "MID", or "minimum infective dose."  The problem is that one <2.5um aerosol particle, which is not filtered effectively by even an N95, and not filtered at all by anything less, has enough virons in and on it to infect you.  In other words, just one of those particles that gets through has more than a MID on it and thus the claim is false.

In fact masks may actually make the situation worse in that they radically concentrate larger droplets, such as are expelled in a cough or sneeze and leave them on the mask surface where they can then be transferred to your hands and infect someone.  If not on the mask they drop rapidly onto the ground because they're too large and gravity gets them.  It is what are known as the "fine particulates" that can remain part of the fluid motion of the air for an extended period of time -- in fact, almost-permanently.

Larger particles can be forcefully expelled by yelling, singing, playing wind instruments (although most of them collect in said instrument; thus the spit drain in a trombone, trumpet, etc) and, of course, coughing and sneezing.  But those large particles drop to the ground quickly; they are much heavier than air.  You want those to drop to the ground because they can't infect anyone who isn't running their hands on the ground immediately thereafter!  Concentrating them where you can touch them is bad, not good.  (Incidentally while we all now say "cough or sneeze into your sleeve" there's no science supporting that either -- in fact what studies we have say doing it doesn't decrease transmission.)

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Re: Stop The Mask CULT By Any Means Necessary*
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2020, 10:26:09 pm »
He lost me by basing his entire premise on studies of a totally unrelated virus, the flu.
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Re: Stop The Mask CULT By Any Means Necessary*
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2020, 06:03:09 am »
He lost me by basing his entire premise on studies of a totally unrelated virus, the flu.
Both virions are approximately 120 nanometers in diameter. Since the masks are basically filtering devices, effectiveness is the same for either.
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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2020, 07:02:40 am »
This is interesting:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/11/fact-check-n-95-filters-not-too-large-stop-covid-19-particles/5343537002/
Predicated on a properly worn good fitting N-95 mask.

But what I am seeing, are masks worn under the chin, off the nose, and they are not N-95 masks but cloth or paper masks with ear loops. On the side of the box, it says:

But this is what is being required.

Only one of these is even rated N-95:


Now think (it shouldn't take a lot) of all the virtue signalling Dems you have seen images of in the last week who take their mask off at the mic or have it hanging under their chin or below their nose...
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Re: Stop The Mask CULT By Any Means Necessary*
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2020, 07:03:43 am »
This is interesting:


Interesting but not true in my mind...
one thing not addressed is that water particles trapping the virus tend to come together along with water vapor exhaled into the mask... Forming a wet, warm, porous surface... The wetness increases with use, negating the static charge in the mask fiber... and sooner or later the exterior water migrates.

I base that on being able to taste volatiles inside the mask after the mask gets wet (when you stop and change a paper mask). Continue very long after that taste is in your mouth and you will begin to feel the effects of those volatiles. And how those volatiles get through that paper or cloth mask is migration through the wet surface - And alkyd or lacquer volatiles are hydrophobic - Presumably harder to draw through than the water barrier itself.

So you wind up with a wet, warm, permeable surface that I would think would allow for replication of any virus as it waits in the process of being drawn through. Not to mention that once the surface is wet, intake and exhalation tend to try to come in and out of the sides of the mask at the edges as the easier path... negating the mask altogether.


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Re: Stop The Mask CULT By Any Means Necessary*
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2020, 02:09:16 pm »
The effectiveness of the masks should be gauged on what the goal is.  If the goal is to stop/slow the spread of infections, they are completely worthless, arguably worse than ineffective.  They give people a false sense of security, so they'll reduce the activity that really does prevent the spread, like hand-washing and staying away from people. 

However, if your goal is to convince people they are better off not being free and submitting to authority, masks of submission do a bang-up job!  Whenever I see someone wearing a cloth mask, all I can think of is what nice Proles they all make.

The anti-liberty Democrats (I repeat myself) gave the game away when they approved, in lockstep, violent protests and rioting as a proper manner of public debate.  Good luck stuffing that toothpaste back into the tube.
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Re: Stop The Mask CULT By Any Means Necessary*
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2020, 02:20:45 pm »
Predicated on a properly worn good fitting N-95 mask.

But what I am seeing, are masks worn under the chin, off the nose, and they are not N-95 masks but cloth or paper masks with ear loops. On the side of the box, it says:

But this is what is being required.

Only one of these is even rated N-95:


Now think (it shouldn't take a lot) of all the virtue signalling Dems you have seen images of in the last week who take their mask off at the mic or have it hanging under their chin or below their nose...

I know two people IRL that have been wearing the same disposable mask over and over again.  These two are both adults, one is a teacher, and both should know better.   
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Re: Stop The Mask CULT By Any Means Necessary*
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2020, 02:28:44 pm »
I know two people IRL that have been wearing the same disposable mask over and over again.  These two are both adults, one is a teacher, and both should know better.
You are correct. They should know better. It's like keeping wet diapers until they dry out and reusing them.
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Re: Stop The Mask CULT By Any Means Necessary*
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2020, 02:29:05 pm »
I know two people IRL that have been wearing the same disposable mask over and over again.  These two are both adults, one is a teacher, and both should know better.

Deep down, they know what they're doing is ineffective at stopping spread of the virus, but that's not why they're wearing them.  It's just another virtue signal that passes for public "debate" these days.

"I care more for other people than your selfish ass because I wear a mask!"  Doing bad things to people "for their own good" has become as American as Mom and Apple Pie.
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« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2020, 02:37:29 pm »
You are correct. They should know better. It's like keeping wet diapers until they dry out and reusing them.

They think that spraying the masks with lysol will fix everything.   :nono:
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Re: Stop The Mask CULT By Any Means Necessary*
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2020, 02:44:33 pm »
Went into a minimart wearing my Jesse James bandana (which is completely STUPID). It satisfied the clerk so I could shop there. Paid with a credit card. While I was typing in my PIN I couldn't help but wonder when the last time that keypad was sanitized. I'm guessing never. So I'm wearing a fake mask, but I am touching something that thousands of various people have touched before me. Why is the Left not demanding that we all wear paper gloves with the stupid paper mask?

I was 100 times more wary of touching that keypad than I was about breathing the air. No hand sanitizer in sight. The whole thing is bullshit. As Alexandria Cortez posted, 'We have to keep this going until after the election to hurt Trump!' Yes. She said out loud what she was not supposed to say. It was quickly deleted.

The mask is a political issue, not a health issue. Fauci says riots are OK. But don't you dare go to any Trump event or you are killing grandma.
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Re: Stop The Mask CULT By Any Means Necessary*
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2020, 02:46:34 pm »
Went into a minimart wearing my Jesse James bandana (which is completely STUPID). It satisfied the clerk so I could shop there. Paid with a credit card. While I was typing in my PIN I couldn't help but wonder when the last time that keypad was sanitized. I'm guessing never. So I'm wearing a fake mask, but I am touching something that thousands of various people have touched before me. Why is the Left not demanding that we all wear paper gloves with the stupid paper mask?

I was 100 times more wary of touching that keypad than I was about breathing the air. No hand sanitizer in sight. The whole thing is bullshit. As Alexandria Cortez posted, 'We have to keep this going until after the election to hurt Trump!' Yes. She said out loud what she was not supposed to say. It was quickly deleted.

The mask is a political issue, not a health issue. Fauci says riots are OK. But don't you dare go to any Trump event or you are killing grandma.

Exactly.   888high58888
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