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Sounds good to me.    I want one with a cat face on it.  Saw a photo of a woman wearing one  while holding her cat.  The face on the mask was of a black and white cat similar to the cat the woman was holding.

Ooh! Yes! I’ve seen cat and dog masks that the profits go to different shelters.
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I’m thinking of getting a medieval plague mask. What do you all think?

I don't think it worked that well...I do like the look!
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Scientists tested 14 types of masks — here are the ones that worked and didn’t
By Tamar Lapin
August 9, 2020 | 3:40pm

Bandannas, gaiters and knitted masks are some of the least effective face coverings for preventing the spread of coronavirus, according to a new study.

Researchers at Duke University made the discovery while testing 14 different types of masks, according to the study published Friday.

N95 masks, often used by health care professionals, worked best to stop the transmission of respiratory droplets during regular speech.

Other good performers at stopping leakage were three-layer surgical masks and cotton masks, which can be made at home, the researchers with Duke’s physics department found. ... More at NY Post
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Scientists tested 14 types of masks — here are the ones that worked and didn’t
By Tamar Lapin
August 9, 2020 | 3:40pm

Bandannas, gaiters and knitted masks are some of the least effective face coverings for preventing the spread of coronavirus, according to a new study.

Researchers at Duke University made the discovery while testing 14 different types of masks, according to the study published Friday.

N95 masks, often used by health care professionals, worked best to stop the transmission of respiratory droplets during regular speech.

Other good performers at stopping leakage were three-layer surgical masks and cotton masks, which can be made at home, the researchers with Duke’s physics department found. ... More at NY Post
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The BEST ones stop ALL transmissions going AND coming,AND don't restrict your breathing.

They are the face shields used in machine shops for grinding and cutting steel. Shatterproof thick plastic lenses that flip up and sit more than an inch from your face in the lowered positions. They are open at both the top and the bottom,so there is good air circulation and they don't fog up.

Other manufacturers of welding equipment make quality versions,I just picked a Lincoln because that is what I have. Been using it for years in my workshop and while working in the yard cutting grass or brush with a weedwhacker. Beats the hell out of having stuff like briars thrown in your face.

http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=lincoln+face+shield
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Well, I have two reusable face masks that are cotton and Lycra (the Lycra is in the elastic bands that go over the ears).  Then someone gave me a box of disposable face masks -- not sure what they are made of -- paper?  I doubt either type of mask wards off COVID.  Doubt any of them other than maybe the N95 masks do.  But wearing some sort of mask is required if I want to enter any business or just about any other public place.  And my wearing one makes others feel safe.  So I wear a mask for others, not for myself. 

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I  made a three layer cloth mask, and intentionally sewed it so it would fit loosely. It is required for the grocery store, church and other places I need to enter. It doesn't protect me or any other person from the virus. We are living in a $&*! Fantasy land.
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I  made a three layer cloth mask, and intentionally sewed it so it would fit loosely. It is required for the grocery store, church and other places I need to enter. It doesn't protect me or any other person from the virus. We are living in a $&*! Fantasy land.

Yep!  Your mask is every bit as effective as any of the others in protecting anyone from a virus.
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Well, I have two reusable face masks that are cotton and Lycra (the Lycra is in the elastic bands that go over the ears).  Then someone gave me a box of disposable face masks -- not sure what they are made of -- paper?  I doubt either type of mask wards off COVID. Doubt any of them other than maybe the N95 masks do.

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The N95 masks have N95 clearly stamped on them.

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But wearing some sort of mask is required if I want to enter any business or just about any other public place.  And my wearing one makes others feel safe.  So I wear a mask for others, not for myself.


So does everyone else,whether they realize it or not.

I wear my face shield for two reasons. One is as a courtesy to others,and the other is I just got tired of explaining to pushy strangers that I was exempt from being required to wear a mask because I have COPD.

Life is just more pleasant for both me and others if I wear it,so I wear it.
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I  made a three layer cloth mask, and intentionally sewed it so it would fit loosely. It is required for the grocery store, church and other places I need to enter. It doesn't protect me or any other person from the virus. We are living in a $&*! Fantasy land.

Fantasy land?  More like a dystopia. 

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The N95 masks have N95 clearly stamped on them.

Yeah, I know.  They are as scarce as hen's teeth, at least around here, so I couldn't get an N95 mask even if I wanted to.  And I would rather they be available for the medical people and others "on the front lines" than for myself.


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So does everyone else, whether they realize it or not.

I wear my face shield for two reasons. One is as a courtesy to others, and the other is I just got tired of explaining to pushy strangers that I was exempt from being required to wear a mask because I have COPD.

Life is just more pleasant for both me and others if I wear it,so I wear it.

Then a face shield is a good idea for you.  Me?  I said this before.  I draw the line at masks.  I refuse to look like a character from Star Wars or Star Trek.    There are "experts" who actually say we should wear both.  Ummmmmmmm....NO!

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Yeah, I know.  They are as scarce as hen's teeth, at least around here, so I couldn't get an N95 mask even if I wanted to.  And I would rather they be available for the medical people and others "on the front lines" than for myself.

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I found several  of them in my shop when this whole thing started,and just gave them to a local doctor's office. They couldn't find any to buy,even when they were going to for 75+ bucks a pop,and I figured they needed them more than I did.

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Then a face shield is a good idea for you.
   
 

Oh,yeah.They don't restrict my breathing at all,and even stop "splatter" from other people's coughing or sneezing from reaching me. Has a nice,comfortable padded adjustable headband,so it's no bother at all to wear.
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Yeah, I know.  They are as scarce as hen's teeth, at least around here, so I couldn't get an N95 mask even if I wanted to.  And I would rather they be available for the medical people and others "on the front lines" than for myself.


Then a face shield is a good idea for you.  Me?  I said this before.  I draw the line at masks.  I refuse to look like a character from Star Wars or Star Trek.    There are "experts" who actually say we should wear both.  Ummmmmmmm....NO!

I don't know that I'd trust ones printed with "N95" in the current state of things. Easy to add the stamp and sell it for more. I have no doubt the Chinese have already done so. Who's going to test it to prove that it is N95 capable...

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I  made a three layer cloth mask, and intentionally sewed it so it would fit loosely. It is required for the grocery store, church and other places I need to enter. It doesn't protect me or any other person from the virus. We are living in a $&*! Fantasy land.

Yep. It’s security theater for the gullible. “Let’s all pretend” like children at play.

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"Wear a face covering when you go out in public. It is not an inconvenience. It is not a suppression of your freedom. It actually Is a vehicle to achieve our goals," Adams said during a briefing with members of the White House coronavirus task force.

My ass it's not about suppression.

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I don't think it worked that well...I do like the look!

@Cyber Liberty @Gefn dude walked into my local Walmart wearing one the other day.  Saw him as I was leaving.  He was getting some weird looks.

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Yep!  Your mask is every bit as effective as any of the others in protecting anyone from a virus.
I wear masks intermittently to protect myself from Karens with the vapors. That is all I really expect the mask to do.
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I don't know that I'd trust ones printed with "N95" in the current state of things. Easy to add the stamp and sell it for more. I have no doubt the Chinese have already done so. Who's going to test it to prove that it is N95 capable...
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I have said before that I already had a box of 20 N95s, box of 50 surgical masks with eye protection, and box of 25 face shields.  I had those due to being an EMT and also because I am a prepper.  I didn't need to have those due to being an EMT, but I could get them a few years ago, and my prepper mind told me to have them.  I have given away 8 of the N95s, 4 each to two older couples plus some of the other ones to them.

N95 is stamped as such on the lower half of the mask along with 3M, the company that made them, and a bunch of numbers identifying the batch. 

Had to go to dentist this past week due to a TMJ problem on left side of face.  Answered their questions on the phone about had I left the country or been close to anyone who had the virus.  I printed the forms off their website and had those filled out when I went there.

When there, had to sit in car and call them.  A woman came to get me; she took my temp while still in the car.  I was wearing a N95.  She took me inside straight to a patient room, not the lobby.
When dentist and she came in, off went the mask.  They began to examine inside my mouth and left side of face, naturally they were close to me with their hands on me.  I don't think I could be them and do that.  Talk about up close and personal... in a pandemic...

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I'm happy to report I just had to run into town to get some paint at the hardware store. Nobody there was wearing a mask.  :silly:
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I have said before that I already had a box of 20 N95s, box of 50 surgical masks with eye protection, and box of 25 face shields.  I had those due to being an EMT and also because I am a prepper.  I didn't need to have those due to being an EMT, but I could get them a few years ago, and my prepper mind told me to have them.  I have given away 8 of the N95s, 4 each to two older couples plus some of the other ones to them.

N95 is stamped as such on the lower half of the mask along with 3M, the company that made them, and a bunch of numbers identifying the batch. 

Had to go to dentist this past week due to a TMJ problem on left side of face.  Answered their questions on the phone about had I left the country or been close to anyone who had the virus.  I printed the forms off their website and had those filled out when I went there.

When there, had to sit in car and call them.  A woman came to get me; she took my temp while still in the car.  I was wearing a N95.  She took me inside straight to a patient room, not the lobby.
When dentist and she came in, off went the mask.  They began to examine inside my mouth and left side of face, naturally they were close to me with their hands on me.  I don't think I could be them and do that.  Talk about up close and personal... in a pandemic...

I had 80 N95 masks from before all this started so I was lucky. They were also 3M. My dentist had patients wash their mouth with mouthwash when first brought into the room along with taking my temperature...

I would bet a good number of N95 masks being sold these days are counterfeit.

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I'm happy to report I just had to run into town to get some paint at the hardware store. Nobody there was wearing a mask.  :silly:

I live in a largely Asian and LIV (low information voter) neighborhood. Masks are all I ever see; people  driving in cars, while jogging, shopping in stores, exercising in parks, walking along empty streets, all with masks on.

This is insane.

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The BEST ones stop ALL transmissions going AND coming,AND don't restrict your breathing.

They are the face shields used in machine shops for grinding and cutting steel. Shatterproof thick plastic lenses that flip up and sit more than an inch from your face in the lowered positions. They are open at both the top and the bottom,so there is good air circulation and they don't fog up.

You know that's nonsense, right @sneakypete ? You are seeing 'transmission' as directional - It's not. Well some small fraction is...  a cough or a sneeze. alright.  But the most of it is wafting and roiling, to include what happens as the sneeze loses it's force. More like smoke. Go walk through smoke - That's how protected you are. And that's how protected mask wearers are too... A respirator is just starting to have a reasonable effect as a filter. Everything less is a pacifier, having no real effect at all.

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I  made a three layer cloth mask, and intentionally sewed it so it would fit loosely. It is required for the grocery store, church and other places I need to enter. It doesn't protect me or any other person from the virus. We are living in a $&*! Fantasy land.

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I had 80 N95 masks from before all this started so I was lucky. They were also 3M. My dentist had patients wash their mouth with mouthwash when first brought into the room along with taking my temperature...

I would bet a good number of N95 masks being sold these days are counterfeit.

Actually, there are plenty that exceed N95. N95 is a standard. A goofy ass standard depicting a particular particulate filtering capacity. All it's there for is to make the mask 'medical' and worth 5x the money that many REAL masks used in poor environments meet or exceed. 3Ms vaunted N95 is a direct knock-off of their light-duty construction respirator - the only difference being the color and the 'N95' logo.

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I had 80 N95 masks from before all this started so I was lucky. They were also 3M. My dentist had patients wash their mouth with mouthwash when first brought into the room along with taking my temperature...  I would bet a good number of N95 masks being sold these days are counterfeit.
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I agree - there are so many bad people, I'm sure some have made fate N95s.
I forgot to mention the dentist's office also had me rinse mouth for 30 seconds with Listerine mouthwash.

I also didn't say, but it is true, it is hard to breathe a long time with an N95 on because it fits so securely, and in this Texas heat of 100 degrees, it is double hard to breathe, and  sweat pours off my face.

Because I am elderly, likely older than anyone here, I am vulnerable to the disease so I don't go where people are, except to doctors when necessary. 

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Actually, there are plenty that exceed N95. N95 is a standard. A goofy ass standard depicting a particular particulate filtering capacity. All it's there for is to make the mask 'medical' and worth 5x the money that many REAL masks used in poor environments meet or exceed. 3Ms vaunted N95 is a direct knock-off of their light-duty construction respirator - the only difference being the color and the 'N95' logo.

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None of the masks you promote keep out viruses.  Medical people know this - hospitals do not allow doctors/nurses to use industrial type masks. They keep large particles from getting to you but not viruses.  Now, you are going to yell and make a post to me as you have before about this.  You know a lot of things, bunches about computers, and tools, and trucks, but you don't know medicine.  You know we are friends to the end and we decided not to get married.   wink777

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Bovine Scatology over and over.
None of the masks you promote keep out viruses.  Medical people know this - hospitals do not allow doctors/nurses to use industrial type masks. They keep large particles from getting to you but not viruses.  Now, you are going to yell and make a post to me as you have before about this.  You know a lot of things, bunches about computers, and tools, and trucks, but you don't know medicine.  You know we are friends to the end and we decided not to get married.   wink777

Trump signed a specific executive order early on ALLOWING 3m to distribute their industrial counterpart as a medical mask, because other than the n95 logo it's the same damn mask. That immediately released several million more masks into medical use, a move that gained my applause.

Look it up.

The N95 mark only denotes a standard - one that many masks meet or exceed. ALL masks are measured by particulate filtering. That's all they do. And an N95 respirator is in no way superior to a common paint respirator with the proper filters. In fact, a common paint respirator can vastly exceed an N95 standard with specialized filters designed to keep out volatile vapors.

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I also didn't say, but it is true, it is hard to breathe a long time with an N95 on because it fits so securely, and in this Texas heat of 100 degrees, it is double hard to breathe, and  sweat pours off my face.

There's a reason for that:  A N95 mask will start clogging the moment you walk out into the filthy street air.  They aren't meant to be used outside of a clean-room environment.
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There's a reason for that:  A N95 mask will start clogging the moment you walk out into the filthy street air.  They aren't meant to be used outside of a clean-room environment.

The moisture from breathing also plugs them up and makes them stop working effectively. It discharges the electrostatically charged material used to attract the particulates. An N95 can only be worn once for a limited amount of time before it loses its ability to filter out the very small particles in the air.

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The moisture from breathing also plugs them up and makes them stop working effectively. It discharges the electrostatically charged material used to attract the particulates. An N95 can only be worn once for a limited amount of time before it loses its ability to filter out the very small particles in the air.

I assume "N95" means it filters things that are 95 nanometers and larger.  A virus is much smaller than that, and the water droplet the virus piggybacks on evaporates in seconds, leaving the 2-3 na virus the freedom to pass through the chain-link fence.

(For those not familiar, a human hair is about 75 micrometers, or 75,000 nanometers.)
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The moisture from breathing also plugs them up and makes them stop working effectively. It discharges the electrostatically charged material used to attract the particulates. An N95 can only be worn once for a limited amount of time before it loses its ability to filter out the very small particles in the air.

More than that, there is an actual pumping action. When you inhale, a wet mask sucks up, forcing to draw through it... but on the exhale, the mask pushes away, allowing the exhaust to largely escape around the edges of the mask. So as far as the mask is concerned, there is greater draw than push, encouraging migration through the wet, body-temperature medium of the mask.

When painting once the mask gets wet, you can literally taste the paint coming through the mask.

As for the n95 (and like) respirators, they were designed to be a cheap, disposable respirator, as an upscale joe-homeowner or now-and-then solution instead of buying a real respirator with filter cartridges designed for industrial use, and with interchangeable filter sets to operate in varying environments, and meant to be cleanable, renewable, repairable, and used all day long, indefinitely.

Everybody acts like they're all that, but they were meant to be a disposable piece of junk that will work for a minute.


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Salesman walked into the shop today wearing a cheapo mask. He said here he was wearing a mask yet neither I or the boss were. And he said we should be because of the dust.

I said if the dust starts to bother me I go outside to smoke a cigarette and hack out part of a lung.
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Salesman walked into the shop today wearing a cheapo mask. He said here he was wearing a mask yet neither I or the boss were. And he said we should be because of the dust.

I said if the dust starts to bother me I go outside to smoke a cigarette and hack out part of a lung.

He don't know what he's missin... digging dried lacquer out of your nose is half the fun (getting lit from the lac being the other half  :whistle::laugh: :beer:

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I assume "N95" means it filters things that are 95 nanometers and larger.  A virus is much smaller than that, and the water droplet the virus piggybacks on evaporates in seconds, leaving the 2-3 na virus the freedom to pass through the chain-link fence.

(For those not familiar, a human hair is about 75 micrometers, or 75,000 nanometers.)

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No, N means non-oil... P means oil proof, R means oil resistant. The standard for the number is based upon .3 micron particle size... an 80 removes 80%. a 90 removes 90%, a 100 removes 100%

That's not perfect, because a P80 (oil proof, 80% of .3 micron) mated to an organic vapor  charcoal can filter, or any number of other gas filters (ammonia, methyline,etc) is still WAY higher than any particulate filter alone... And your standard paint respirator rig is gong to be p90+ particulate plus a charcoal can. BTW, particulate filters range mainly from 80 to 100. though a 99 or 100 filter sucks to drag through. most folks use a 90 or 95 in general, and an 80 w/o the charcoal can for sanding and such.

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EDIT TO ADD: It's been a while but I think that's right.
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No, N means non-oil... P means oil proof, R means oil resistant. The standard for the number is based upon .3 micron particle size... an 80 removes 80%. a 90 removes 90%, a 100 removes 100%

That's not perfect, because a P80 (oil proof, 80% of .3 micron) mated to an organic vapor  charcoal can filter, or any number of other gas filters (ammonia, methyline,etc) is still WAY higher than any particulate filter alone... And your standard paint respirator rig is gong to be p90+ particulate plus a charcoal can. BTW, particulate filters range mainly from 80 to 100. though a 99 or 100 filter sucks to drag through. most folks use a 90 or 95 in general, and an 80 w/o the charcoal can for sanding and such.

FYI

EDIT TO ADD: It's been a while but I think that's right.

Okay!  Thanks for the clarification.  So the benchmark particulate size is 300 nm. 
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Okay!  Thanks for the clarification.  So the benchmark particulate size is 300 nm.

If that is 0.3 micron then yes.

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Okay!  Thanks for the clarification.  So the benchmark particulate size is 300 nm.

The corona virus nominally 120 nm in size...

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The corona virus nominally 120 nm in size...

Yup!  (I checked.)  I thought it was a lot smaller....
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Okay!  Thanks for the clarification.  So the benchmark particulate size is 300 nm.

AND all that has nothing to do with the N95 LOGO, which magically transforms the mask into a medical device... Except that it meets a non-oil 95% of 0.3 micron standard... Which is no dang different than a P95 or R95 in it's function except their ability to function with oil particulates too.

And it is NOT as good as a N99 or N100, readily available through industry outlets.

Much ado about nothing at all. N95 masks are OK, even good for a temporary, limited amount of time, but they do not stand in the shade of the real thing.

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Trump signed a specific executive order early on ALLOWING 3m to distribute their industrial counterpart as a medical mask, because other than the n95 logo it's the same damn mask. That immediately released several million more masks into medical use, a move that gained my applause.

Look it up.

The N95 mark only denotes a standard - one that many masks meet or exceed. ALL masks are measured by particulate filtering. That's all they do. And an N95 respirator is in no way superior to a common paint respirator with the proper filters. In fact, a common paint respirator can vastly exceed an N95 standard with specialized filters designed to keep out volatile vapors.


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Okay!  Thanks for the clarification.  So the benchmark particulate size is 300 nm.

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Chances are both of you are right. I would be surprised if there were only ONE "level" of medical quality mask.

As has been posted here multiple times already, medical grade N95 masks are designed for use in clean room environments only.  They are useless after ten minutes anywhere else.

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AND all that has nothing to do with the N95 LOGO, which magically transforms the mask into a medical device... Except that it meets a non-oil 95% of .03 micron standard... Which is no dang different than a P95 or R95 in it's function except their ability to function with oil particulates too.

And it is NOT as good as a N99 or N100, readily available through industry outlets.

Much ado about nothing at all. N95 masks are OK, even good for a temporary, limited amount of time, but they do not stand in the shade of the real thing.

That's right.  And the cloth ones the leftists fawn all over...more useful as a magical Talisman than a disinfectant.

Sometimes I wear a Trump 2020 cloth mask, just to watch 'em squirm.  It's like tying a slice of jellied toast to the back of a cat...they don't know which way to hit the floor and they just turn back and forth in perpetual motion.   :shrug:
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I went to see Doctor, after my hospital stay. 5 people berated me...trying to get me to wear a mask.  I said, I can't. I need oxygen.

5 medical people and administrator.  I stayed firm.  Then they "punished me" by NOT taking my vitals. lol. I hate that part anyway.    I had that done every few hours, round the clock, in hospital.  I did, get to see the doctor and some medications renewed.  Blood thinner.

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Chances are both of you are right. I would be surprised if there were only ONE "level" of medical quality mask.

No @sneakypete I ain't wrong at all. There is one standard. and it is an industrial standard. the medical 'standard' just piggybacks on what is already there and established... There is an extra mile in that your mask has to conform to their testing protocol - which IS the industry protocol, you just have to prove it, and give somebody a whole lotta vig for the right to use the N95 logo on your product, opening it up to medical sales at 3 or 4x regular price. And that's all... A whole lotta simolians to get into a protected market. TADA!

Otherwise, an industrial rated mask is the same as a medical mask, or even better. The particulate layer on a painting respirator is considered as nothing more than a pre-filter.


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That's right.  And the cloth ones the leftists fawn all over...more useful as a magical Talisman than a disinfectant.

Sometimes I wear a Trump 2020 cloth mask, just to watch 'em squirm.  It's like tying a slice of jellied toast to the back of a cat...they don't know which way to hit the floor and they just turn back and forth in perpetual motion.   :shrug:

Yeah, I have one now... Took a sharpie and wrote 'A$$holes make me wear this' on it... And another one that 'Bullock makes me wear this' (governor)... But I never wear the damn things anyhow... If anyone gives me sh*t I just say I have asthma and they move along.

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AND all that has nothing to do with the N95 LOGO, which magically transforms the mask into a medical device... Except that it meets a non-oil 95% of .03 micron standard... Which is no dang different than a P95 or R95 in it's function except their ability to function with oil particulates too.

And it is NOT as good as a N99 or N100, readily available through industry outlets.

Much ado about nothing at all. N95 masks are OK, even good for a temporary, limited amount of time, but they do not stand in the shade of the real thing.

0.03 micron is 30 nm. I think you meant 0.3 micron which is 300 nm which is what I believe an N95 mask is rated for.