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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #200 on: May 15, 2020, 06:02:15 pm »
As a practical matter, that's the governing philosophy of the group I hang with, yes.  They have no use for libertines.

There are some Libertarian aspects of Conservatism I get behind.  Which is why I said the other day I can get behind my Junior Senator about 505 of the time.

It's when they venture off into Ron Paul looney territory on stuff that they lose me.

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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #201 on: May 15, 2020, 06:06:28 pm »
I don't think so.  The problem is, I don't know what a "real Libertarian" is.  The Libertarian Party really ruined that.  If you mean "real libertarian," then I probably have, and rarely disagree with them on fiscal matters.

As a rule, if you get past the avid potheads you will find common ground with a Libertarian Party 'true libertarian' ... They WILL be against the general hue of federal drug control, but will cede the point wrt interstate issues (in that the fed properly has jurisdiction in border and interstate issues).

They will as a rule properly lay legitimate jurisdiction wrt drug control primarily with the various states, in classic federalism.  And I can agree to that. I see clearly their complaint that federal jurisdiction in the matter has not only funded the behemoth, bit also drastically eroded liberty. They are right about that.

I am not in full agreement mind you, but there is much common ground. It is a rollicking debate that is fun as heck.

Our redheaded step-brothers, the Libertarians are close to Conservatives in their true nature. Civil-libertarianism has not rubbed off entirely.

There is a reason why Libertarians will often lend their weight to a Principled Conservative candidate.

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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #202 on: May 15, 2020, 06:10:58 pm »
What Libertarian point of view is being espoused here exactly?  Please be specific?  And if you're already predicting your own demise then does that mean all you cane to do here is troll?

Because we have certified Liberals on this forum that haven't been removed.

You come on this forum and make a beeline for this particular thread and start tossing out falsehoods and half truths about the Senator from Texas and make false statements about the general political nature of TBR.

It tends to make people...myself included...very suspicious of your intentions.

You are correct about 1 thing. I did make a beeline straight for this thread.

The 1st post by "Chosen Daughter" who created this thread with, "Was Copy/Pasted From My Blog". Yes, I wrote the "Rino List" "Chosen Daughter" got the post from declaring Ted Cruz a rino.

She left a link to my article in her post:  https://teapartymainstreet.blogspot.com/2019/04/the-2020-rino-list-begins-to-grow-as.html

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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #203 on: May 15, 2020, 06:13:30 pm »
There are some Libertarian aspects of Conservatism I get behind.  Which is why I said the other day I can get behind my Junior Senator about 505 of the time.

It's when they venture off into Ron Paul looney territory on stuff that they lose me.

Where I part with them is in Mil/FP Conservatism. I am not an interventionist militarily, But I do believe our worldwide military superstructure has a necessary benefit.

I could find much to agree with in Ron Paul on the home front.

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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #204 on: May 15, 2020, 06:17:51 pm »
Where I part with them is in Mil/FP Conservatism. I am not an interventionist militarily, But I do believe our worldwide military superstructure has a necessary benefit.

I could find much to agree with in Ron Paul on the home front.

They lose me on the military aspect as well.  Stopped Listening to Wilkow for a few months over his asinine take on the U.S. abandoning the Kurds to the Turks.

The far left Libertarians (my opinion) calling for a return to the Gold Standard, some of the "blame the Jews for 9/11" racism that bubbles up and their legalize everything attitude can be a turn off.

I always find it funny the people that insist Paul is the "ultimate Conservative" while he's writing screeds for the far left wing AntiWar.com website.

I was very disturbed over Rand openly courting the FM from Iran and politicking for the position of the envoy between the WH and Iran inn talking about the sanctions as well.
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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #205 on: May 15, 2020, 06:25:29 pm »
They lose me on the military aspect as well.  Stopped Listening to Wilkow for a few months over his asinine take on the U.S. abandoning the Kurds to the Turks.

The far left Libertarians (my opinion) calling for a return to the Gold Standard, some of the "blame the Jews for 9/11" racism that bubbles up and their legalize everything attitude can be a turn off.

I always find it funny the people that insist Paul is the "ultimate Conservative" while he's writing screeds for the far left wing AntiWar.com website.

I was very disturbed over Rand openly courting the FM from Iran and politicking for the position of the envoy between the WH and Iran inn talking about the sanctions as well.

All of that is legit in my mind @txradioguy , which will be no surprise.  :beer:

But I am loathe to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
I can vote for Rand Paul.

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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #206 on: May 15, 2020, 06:28:40 pm »
I assiduously have stayed out of the Cruz wars as long as Cruz has stayed to the right of center (exactly how right of center to be determined by the voters that know him best.)

But, the glimpse I got of him in the ‘16 election showed a smart, scholarly guy, knows the constitution inside and out—probably would shine on the court. But if he’s still thinking presidency, maybe not the kind of personality to excite the mix of voters that make up the GOP and those that vote GOP.

But, listen to me, regarding Cruz, I’m Switzerland. So, leave me out of this.

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I agree with what I highlighted. IMNSHO,Cruz and Lady Lindsey are probably the most intelligent US Senators,or right up there with the most intelligent.

Lady Lindsey can't be counted on in a pinch,most likely because of blackmail,and Cruz seems to sometimes cave when I wouldn't expect him to cave. There is nothing I can really put my finger on and then point and shout "AHAH!Untrustworthy!",but there just seems to be something about him I just can't trust.
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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #207 on: May 15, 2020, 06:33:45 pm »
If you ask me all this seems like an unnecessary skirmish, @Hat In Ring  I don’t understand why you would worry about Cruz right now. This is what primary season is for.

@aligncare

I agree. Seems to me we already have enough to fight about that we need to save some of it for the future.
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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #208 on: May 15, 2020, 06:35:29 pm »

Ted Cruz will never be president so I can't understand why these libertarians don't find and move to a new candidate instead of trying to push the Ted Cruz square peg into a round hole?

@Hat In Ring

Ok,if you really believe all that,why bother attacking him?
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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #209 on: May 15, 2020, 06:36:28 pm »
All of that is legit in my mind @txradioguy , which will be no surprise.  :beer:

But I am loathe to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
I can vote for Rand Paul.

Using the OnTheIssues' graphic as an illustration, the red dot for candidates I tend to like are deep in the Conservative pocket, leaning hard toward the Libertarian side.

Oh make no mistake I'll vote for him too...easier than I will Turtle.  All you have to do is look towards the Governor's mansion in Frankfort to see what the alternative is.
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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #210 on: May 15, 2020, 06:37:35 pm »
Reading this thread begs the question, that with the range of all those opinions out there, even among like-minded groups, how we manage to funnel all of that divergent, sometimes contradictory viewpoints into a two-party election, without encountering at least some friction/disagreement/lunacy/maliciousness/criminality, etc etc.

It’s a wonder we haven’t had a civil war every four years.

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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #211 on: May 15, 2020, 06:40:47 pm »
What Libertarian point of view is being espoused here exactly?  Please be specific?   

@txradioguy

Good question,and one I would like to see the answer to,also.

We currently have the Chinese-controlled Dim congress of assorted retards and traitors to deal with,and their threat is both real and RIGHT NOW,so WTH are we doing arguing about a potential Cruz campaign?

Enquiring minds,and all dat.
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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #212 on: May 15, 2020, 06:42:37 pm »
@Hat In Ring

Ok,if you really believe all that,why bother attacking him?

@Hat In Ring was not here for those battles, back in '16.  He can't know we've already beaten the carp out of each other on that. :shrug:  On Twitter, he's seen the bullshit being bantered all the time, even now.  I like to think we got past all that.

He's smart.  Give him some time.
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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #213 on: May 15, 2020, 06:44:14 pm »
Are we talking about "libertarianism" or "libertinism? 

@Cyber Liberty

I think that we are now talking about "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin",and suggest we all just stop posting to this thread and let it die.
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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #214 on: May 15, 2020, 06:45:11 pm »
@Cyber Liberty

I think that we are now talking about "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin",and suggest we all just stop posting to this thread and let it die.

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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #215 on: May 15, 2020, 06:59:48 pm »
Reading this thread begs the question, that with the range of all those opinions out there, even among like-minded groups, how we manage to funnel all of that divergent, sometimes contradictory viewpoints into a two-party election, without encountering at least some friction/disagreement/lunacy/maliciousness/criminality, etc etc.

It’s a wonder we haven’t had a civil war every four years.

That unity was aforetime accomplished by one sturdy criteria:
The Principles of Conservatism.

And I would submit, that criteria is the ONLY standard that will do.

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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #216 on: May 15, 2020, 07:10:16 pm »
That unity was aforetime accomplished by one sturdy criteria:
The Principles of Conservatism.

What the hell are you talking about?  What unity did the "principles of conservatism" usher in?  When?  By whom?

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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #217 on: May 15, 2020, 07:47:51 pm »
What the hell are you talking about?  What unity did the "principles of conservatism" usher in?  When?  By whom?

Were you asleep from January of 1981 through January of 1989?
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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #219 on: May 15, 2020, 08:27:54 pm »
This is very true!


Sorry, I have been keeping quiet, but as folks who have been here a while will tell you, that only lasts so long.

I can't see where you are coming from,if it isn't just to jump in with a bunch of nonsense and make a splash.

I have seen many splashes in unsavory places, and of some peculiarly nasty material, and that is what I am seeing now. Attempting to somehow divide those who supported Cruz in '16 from the rest of the GOP will do the GOP no good. It is people like Cruz who keep more from shaking the dust off their feet. Cutting down Cruz with some of the most egregious BS I have seen in a few years doesn't make points here, we've been watching him since well before the primaries back when, before the POTUS primary, and have a decent Idea who he is and where he is coming from, things you wouldn't read in the columns of the National Enquirer. Spare me the Lyin' Ted nonsense, I was watching as that went down, and know what happened. We saw the well timed and regionally targeted series of "exposes" that were used to place doubt and strip votes away, and must note that Cruz performed well in spite of a well coordinated media campaign against him. We understand the stalwarts of the 'country club' GOP thought they could wheel and deal with Trump, who appears to have disappointed them in how much he would be for sale. (Not so much a surprise for a man who has been dealing with smarmy and crooked pols his entire life)
But Cruz, relatively speaking was a Constitutional Boy Scout. Not perfect, perhaps, as none is, but far better than most. Attempting to lump Cruz in with the Party of legal pot (which was about half the Libertarian Platform, more libertine than truly libertarian) is a non starter.

So, what's your game? Nice polished attacks only get me wondering why.
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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #220 on: May 15, 2020, 08:38:47 pm »
Sorry, I have been keeping quiet, but as folks who have been here a while will tell you, that only lasts so long.

I can't see where you are coming from,if it isn't just to jump in with a bunch of nonsense and make a splash.

I have seen many splashes in unsavory places, and of some peculiarly nasty material, and that is what I am seeing now. Attempting to somehow divide those who supported Cruz in '16 from the rest of the GOP will do the GOP no good. It is people like Cruz who keep more from shaking the dust off their feet. Cutting down Cruz with some of the most egregious BS I have seen in a few years doesn't make points here, we've been watching him since well before the primaries back when, before the POTUS primary, and have a decent Idea who he is and where he is coming from, things you wouldn't read in the columns of the National Enquirer. Spare me the Lyin' Ted nonsense, I was watching as that went down, and know what happened. We saw the well timed and regionally targeted series of "exposes" that were used to place doubt and strip votes away, and must note that Cruz performed well in spite of a well coordinated media campaign against him. We understand the stalwarts of the 'country club' GOP thought they could wheel and deal with Trump, who appears to have disappointed them in how much he would be for sale. (Not so much a surprise for a man who has been dealing with smarmy and crooked pols his entire life)
But Cruz, relatively speaking was a Constitutional Boy Scout. Not perfect, perhaps, as none is, but far better than most. Attempting to lump Cruz in with the Party of legal pot (which was about half the Libertarian Platform, more libertine than truly libertarian) is a non starter.

So, what's your game? Nice polished attacks only get me wondering why.

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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #221 on: May 15, 2020, 08:41:19 pm »
What the hell are you talking about?  What unity did the "principles of conservatism" usher in?  When?  By whom?

The ONLY times the ball has moved away from liberalism have been Conservative movements, not Republican. Primarily Reagan and the 94 Congress.

The ONLY force to BLOCK liberalism, both from Democrats and Republicans, have been Conservative stalwarts, and not merely Republicans. See the Freedom/Liberty Caucus in the house, and a handful of recent senators... Cruz, Lee, Paul, Sasse, Sessions, etc - All summarily discredited and disowned in favor of Tumpy the WonderClown. See Gingrich back in the day. See Tom Delay.

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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #222 on: May 15, 2020, 08:44:28 pm »
Sorry, I have been keeping quiet, but as folks who have been here a while will tell you, that only lasts so long.

I can't see where you are coming from,if it isn't just to jump in with a bunch of nonsense and make a splash.

I have seen many splashes in unsavory places, and of some peculiarly nasty material, and that is what I am seeing now. Attempting to somehow divide those who supported Cruz in '16 from the rest of the GOP will do the GOP no good. It is people like Cruz who keep more from shaking the dust off their feet. Cutting down Cruz with some of the most egregious BS I have seen in a few years doesn't make points here, we've been watching him since well before the primaries back when, before the POTUS primary, and have a decent Idea who he is and where he is coming from, things you wouldn't read in the columns of the National Enquirer. Spare me the Lyin' Ted nonsense, I was watching as that went down, and know what happened. We saw the well timed and regionally targeted series of "exposes" that were used to place doubt and strip votes away, and must note that Cruz performed well in spite of a well coordinated media campaign against him. We understand the stalwarts of the 'country club' GOP thought they could wheel and deal with Trump, who appears to have disappointed them in how much he would be for sale. (Not so much a surprise for a man who has been dealing with smarmy and crooked pols his entire life)
But Cruz, relatively speaking was a Constitutional Boy Scout. Not perfect, perhaps, as none is, but far better than most. Attempting to lump Cruz in with the Party of legal pot (which was about half the Libertarian Platform, more libertine than truly libertarian) is a non starter.

So, what's your game?
Nice polished attacks only get me wondering why.

My question as well. As far as watching Cruz -- though I'm not from TX, he definitely caught my attention as he captured the Senate seat against all odds. I supported him then and have been supporting him ever since.

The real focus should be the re-election of Trump and maintaining the Senate.  All this banter back and forth over Cruz is ridiculous and accomplishes absolutely nothing.

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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #223 on: May 15, 2020, 08:46:47 pm »
My question as well. As far as watching Cruz -- though I'm not from TX, he definitely caught my attention as he captured the Senate seat against all odds. I supported him then and have been supporting him ever since.

The real focus should be the re-election of Trump and maintaining the Senate.  All this banter back and forth over Cruz is ridiculous and accomplishes absolutely nothing.
Hence, my question. I see no gain for anyone but Democrats by digging up old fights. We are where we are, with the people we have, and we need more, not fragmentation at this point. That only benefits the Democrats, and this election is the GOP's to lose.
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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #224 on: May 15, 2020, 08:47:28 pm »
You are correct about 1 thing. I did make a beeline straight for this thread.

The 1st post by "Chosen Daughter" who created this thread with, "Was Copy/Pasted From My Blog". Yes, I wrote the "Rino List" "Chosen Daughter" got the post from declaring Ted Cruz a rino.

She left a link to my article in her post:  https://teapartymainstreet.blogspot.com/2019/04/the-2020-rino-list-begins-to-grow-as.html

Yes, I'm "Tea Party Main Street" AKA "Hat In Ring" and "Republican Party Base".

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Nope between here and what I saw before your shadow ban on Twitter...I don't need to.
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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #225 on: May 15, 2020, 08:51:12 pm »
Sorry, I have been keeping quiet, but as folks who have been here a while will tell you, that only lasts so long.

Thank God for that.

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It is people like Cruz who keep more from shaking the dust off their feet.

And people like Cruz are what might bring folks like me back - I was ready to pull the lever for Cruz... The first and only Republican to get my nod since Duncan Hunter Sr. left the game.

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Cutting down Cruz with some of the most egregious BS I have seen in a few years doesn't make points here, we've been watching him since well before the primaries back when, before the POTUS primary, and have a decent Idea who he is and where he is coming from, things you wouldn't read in the columns of the National Enquirer. Spare me the Lyin' Ted nonsense, I was watching as that went down, and know what happened. We saw the well timed and regionally targeted series of "exposes" that were used to place doubt and strip votes away, and must note that Cruz performed well in spite of a well coordinated media campaign against him.

That's right. And what makes it all the more egregious is that is entirely the other way around. Every charge debunked... And in consideration of Stone/Pecker, the Liar in Chief sits in the white  house right now.


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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #226 on: May 15, 2020, 08:53:09 pm »
Nope between here and what I saw before your shadow ban on Twitter...I don't need to.

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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #227 on: May 15, 2020, 08:54:45 pm »
Thank God for that.

And people like Cruz are what might bring folks like me back - I was ready to pull the lever for Cruz... The first and only Republican to get my nod since Duncan Hunter Sr. left the game.

That's right. And what makes it all the more egregious is that is entirely the other way around. Every charge debunked... And in consideration of Stone/Pecker, the Liar in Chief sits in the white  house right now.

He got my nod as well.  :beer:

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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #228 on: May 15, 2020, 09:03:29 pm »
He got my nod as well.  :beer:

Believe it or not, I remember that... Pissant's crew, back in the day on ToS  :beer:

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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #229 on: May 15, 2020, 09:03:50 pm »
   Apparently, the West Wing is bored with takin out biden, since he's gonna implode anyway, sooner rather than later.
   Maybe their keeping their talon's sharp by planting hit pieces about Sen. Cruz.   :shrug:
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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #230 on: May 15, 2020, 09:06:47 pm »
   Apparently, the West Wing is bored with takin out biden, since he's gonna implode anyway, sooner rather than later.
   Maybe their keeping their talon's sharp by planting hit pieces about Sen. Cruz.   :shrug:
Cruz is not a threat, the Dem veep candidate and the moles in the medical agencies are.
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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #231 on: May 15, 2020, 09:08:29 pm »
   Apparently, the West Wing is bored with takin out biden, since he's gonna implode anyway, sooner rather than later.


Creamed peas in the rubber room is in his near future.

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Maybe their keeping their talon's sharp by planting hit pieces about Sen. Cruz.   :shrug:

It ain't JUST Cruz. They have to keep shouting the lies, lest anyone actually compare what they are calling 'conservatism' with ACTUAL Conservatives and Conservatism.


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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #232 on: May 15, 2020, 09:09:33 pm »
    As an Avid Drug User, I oppose the (l)ibertarian stance on Drugs, it was never a Federal Issue to begin with.
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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #233 on: May 15, 2020, 09:38:48 pm »
Sorry, I have been keeping quiet, but as folks who have been here a while will tell you, that only lasts so long.

I can't see where you are coming from,if it isn't just to jump in with a bunch of nonsense and make a splash.

I have seen many splashes in unsavory places, and of some peculiarly nasty material, and that is what I am seeing now. Attempting to somehow divide those who supported Cruz in '16 from the rest of the GOP will do the GOP no good. It is people like Cruz who keep more from shaking the dust off their feet. Cutting down Cruz with some of the most egregious BS I have seen in a few years doesn't make points here, we've been watching him since well before the primaries back when, before the POTUS primary, and have a decent Idea who he is and where he is coming from, things you wouldn't read in the columns of the National Enquirer. Spare me the Lyin' Ted nonsense, I was watching as that went down, and know what happened. We saw the well timed and regionally targeted series of "exposes" that were used to place doubt and strip votes away, and must note that Cruz performed well in spite of a well coordinated media campaign against him. We understand the stalwarts of the 'country club' GOP thought they could wheel and deal with Trump, who appears to have disappointed them in how much he would be for sale. (Not so much a surprise for a man who has been dealing with smarmy and crooked pols his entire life)
But Cruz, relatively speaking was a Constitutional Boy Scout. Not perfect, perhaps, as none is, but far better than most. Attempting to lump Cruz in with the Party of legal pot (which was about half the Libertarian Platform, more libertine than truly libertarian) is a non starter.

So, what's your game? Nice polished attacks only get me wondering why.

Why? Well, because you are saying he's not a rino and I'm saying he is. Ted Cruz's wife works for the libertarian Globalist CEO of Goldman Sachs and even borrowed 1 million dollars from this CEO.

READ HERE:  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ted-cruz-improperly-accounted-for-goldman-sachs-loans-fec-decides

Ted Cruz was borrowing cash from guess who?  "The Club For Growth" which is a libertarian outfit. So now Ted Cruz is endorsed and collecting cash from 3 libertarian entities which are, "The Club For Growth", "Ron Paul" and "Goldman Sachs".

https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/club-for-growth-endorses-ted-cruz-221129

Ted Cruz was NOT getting hardly any donations from supporters. Hell, the guy could hardly fill a High School gymnasium and Beto O'Rourk almost beat him.

I know more posts are coming declaring Ted Cruz is the new "Glory" of the United States but that's only because the libertarian party doesn't have anyone else. Protect your savior because libertarians cannot get anybody elected except by deceit, misinformation and infiltration into the Republican party.
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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #234 on: May 15, 2020, 09:50:07 pm »
Why? Well, because you are saying he's not a rino and I'm saying he is. Ted Cruz's wife works for the libertarian Globalist CEO of Goldman Sachs and even borrowed 1 million dollars from this CEO.

READ HERE:  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ted-cruz-improperly-accounted-for-goldman-sachs-loans-fec-decides

Ted Cruz was borrowing cash from guess who?  "The Club For Growth" which is a libertarian outfit. So now Ted Cruz is endorsed and collecting cash from 3 libertarian entities which are, "The Club For Growth", "Ron Paul" and "Goldman Sachs".

https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/club-for-growth-endorses-ted-cruz-221129

Ted Cruz was NOT getting hardly any donations from supporters. Hell, the guy could hardly fill a High School gymnasium and Beto O'Rourk almost beat him.

I know more posts are coming declaring Ted Cruz is the new "Glory" of the United States but that's only because the libertarian party doesn't have anyone else. Protect your savior because libertarians cannot get anybody elected except by deceit, misinformation and infiltration into the Republican party.
Where did I say he is not a RINO, and just what in the hell is that any more, anyway. He IS one of the more Conservative members of the GOP. That, in these times could make him a RINO in a sea of "moderates"

Ted beat Trump in Iowa and continued to rack up good showings until the Pecker series of hit peices, targeted at regional audiences and timed to coincide with those primaries. Really? His Daddy killed JFK? Right, and Bat Boy was Henry Waxman (a more credible theory, to say the least).

But what i really want to know is why you are here stirring this sh*t up. What do you hope to gain by smearing a guy who has been generally supportive of the POTUS, more so than most. A Dem seat from Texas?

BTW, I just went down the list of Libertarian 2020 POTUS candidates. Nope. No Cruz. Not even a Texan.
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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #235 on: May 15, 2020, 09:54:13 pm »
@Hat In Ring

Ok,if you really believe all that,why bother attacking him?

Because many people are playing him up thinking he's going to be in the game again. Wrong! There's many other strong Republican candidates on the rise and after Trump wins his second term the hunt for our 2024 candidate will begin.

Since one of my posts started this thread you may as well read another one on some of the more popular picks for the 2024 presidency. Who knows if they will run but we will find one that's acceptable.

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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #236 on: May 15, 2020, 09:55:01 pm »
Believe it or not, I remember that... Pissant's crew, back in the day on ToS  :beer:

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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #237 on: May 15, 2020, 09:56:09 pm »
Because many people are playing him up thinking he's going to be in the game again. Wrong! There's many other strong Republican candidates on the rise and after Trump wins his second term the hunt for our 2024 candidate will begin.

Since one of my posts started this thread you may as well read another one on some of the more popular picks for the 2024 presidency. Who knows if they will run but we will find one that's acceptable.

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http://teapartymainstreet.blogspot.com/2020/02/the-united-states-presidency-after.html
Try citing someone  else as a 'source', not the website linked under your avatar.
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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #238 on: May 15, 2020, 09:56:20 pm »
Because many people are playing him up thinking he's going to be in the game again. Wrong! There's many other strong Republican candidates on the rise and after Trump wins his second term the hunt for our 2024 candidate will begin.

Since one of my posts started this thread you may as well read another one on some of the more popular picks for the 2024 presidency. Who knows if they will run but we will find one that's acceptable.

Future Republican Presidential Candidates Possibilities:
http://teapartymainstreet.blogspot.com/2020/02/the-united-states-presidency-after.html

I don't see him as President.  No need for character assassination.  Maybe in three years?
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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #239 on: May 15, 2020, 09:58:26 pm »
I don't see him as President.  No need for character assassination.  Maybe in three years?
Exactly. Why this, now? Someone want to keep him off SCOTUS by reanimating all this BS and hoping it will fly this time?
That's a theory I'd consider.
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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #240 on: May 15, 2020, 09:59:55 pm »
Pissant!



He's back there you know, or at least was... He kissed the ring and came back wearing Tump Orange just before I walked off.


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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #241 on: May 15, 2020, 10:01:51 pm »
He's back there you know, or at least was... He kissed the ring and came back wearing Tump Orange just before I walked off.
Great place for him.
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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #242 on: May 15, 2020, 10:07:02 pm »
Exactly. Why this, now? Someone want to keep him off SCOTUS by reanimating all this BS and hoping it will fly this time?
That's a theory I'd consider.

Possible.  It's also no secret that 'DEMS' have on occasion become members of various different 'Tea Party' groups for the purpose of trying to destroy viable conservative candidates.  Looks like Ted is still a threat.

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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #243 on: May 15, 2020, 10:11:11 pm »
Because many people are playing him up thinking he's going to be in the game again. Wrong! There's many other strong Republican candidates on the rise and after Trump wins his second term the hunt for our 2024 candidate will begin.

Since one of my posts started this thread you may as well read another one on some of the more popular picks for the 2024 presidency. Who knows if they will run but we will find one that's acceptable.

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http://teapartymainstreet.blogspot.com/2020/02/the-united-states-presidency-after.html

I see how this is gonna go. You hate Cruz for your own misguided reasons and you’ll continue to post these look theories and articles full of...at best...half truths and cherry picked facts.

And anyone who disagrees with your opinions (that’s all they are in reality) you’ll either accuse of attacking you or being part of some Libertarian conspiracy. 
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« Reply #244 on: May 15, 2020, 10:13:52 pm »
Exactly. Why this, now? Someone want to keep him off SCOTUS by reanimating all this BS and hoping it will fly this time?
That's a theory I'd consider.

Not even that complicated.  Just someone with a very pliable brain who unfortunately believes everything Donald Trump and David Pecker ginned up to falsely smear the candidate who at one point was poised to send Donald back to Trump Tower empty handed.

Not quite a brainwashing...but close.
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« Reply #245 on: May 15, 2020, 10:14:17 pm »
I see how this is gonna go. You hate Cruz for your own misguided reasons and you’ll continue to post these look theories and articles full of...at best...half truths and cherry picked facts.

And anyone who disagrees with your opinions (that’s all they are in reality) you’ll either accuse of attacking you or being part of some Libertarian conspiracy.

@txradioguy  that is where the 'ignore' feature comes in handy. 

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« Reply #246 on: May 15, 2020, 10:16:41 pm »
@txradioguy  that is where the 'ignore' feature comes in handy.

It might be handy at some point...
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« Reply #247 on: May 15, 2020, 10:16:48 pm »
It's beyond time ...


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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #248 on: May 15, 2020, 10:20:47 pm »
You are not free to chase off good Members, is that what you mean?  Or are we supposed to only allow speech that doesn't piss certain people off?

No. 


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Re: Tea Party now lists Senator Cruz as a RINO
« Reply #249 on: May 15, 2020, 10:25:11 pm »
Why? Well, because you are saying he's not a rino and I'm saying he is. Ted Cruz's wife works for the libertarian Globalist CEO of Goldman Sachs and even borrowed 1 million dollars from this CEO.

READ HERE:  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ted-cruz-improperly-accounted-for-goldman-sachs-loans-fec-decides

Ted Cruz was borrowing cash from guess who?  "The Club For Growth" which is a libertarian outfit. So now Ted Cruz is endorsed and collecting cash from 3 libertarian entities which are, "The Club For Growth", "Ron Paul" and "Goldman Sachs".

https://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/club-for-growth-endorses-ted-cruz-221129

Ted Cruz was NOT getting hardly any donations from supporters. Hell, the guy could hardly fill a High School gymnasium and Beto O'Rourk almost beat him.

I know more posts are coming declaring Ted Cruz is the new "Glory" of the United States but that's only because the libertarian party doesn't have anyone else. Protect your savior because libertarians cannot get anybody elected except by deceit, misinformation and infiltration into the Republican party.

Putting aside your issues with Cruz (remember, I’m neutral), I am intrigued by your idea that libertarians might be (are) sneaking candidates into the party right under the RNC’s nose without them sounding the alarm. Unless that’s your role? So, how do that work? Expound. I’m listening.