And Trump Takes Advice From This Quack? ...Dr. Fauci Says He Will Lift Social Distancing Restriction

[mystery-ak]

And Trump Takes Advice From This Quack? ...Dr. Fauci Says He Will Lift Social Distancing Restrictions After "No New Cases, No New Deaths" (VIDEO)
By Jim Hoft
Published April 2, 2020 at 9:03pm

Just so you know — these “experts” are making it up as they go along.

And these experts are going to destroy the US economy based on total guesses and hysterical predictions.



On March 15, 2020 Dr Anthony Fauci told Jon Karl on ABC that the US could expect up to 21 million coronavirus hospitalizations and up to 1.7 million coronavirus deaths.

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[PeteS in CA]

I used to respect Jim Hoft. Calling Fauci a "quack" was utterly stupid.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I used to respect Jim Hoft. Calling Fauci a "quack" was utterly stupid.

Maybe, maybe not @PeteS in CA

Let's not accept Fauci's edicts blindly.  Not only does the doctor need to stay in his lane; remember, he's one of the experts who told us not to worry.

Government health agency official: Coronavirus 'isn't something the American public need to worry about'
The Hill, Jan 26, 2020

Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), said Sunday the American public shouldn’t worry about the coronavirus outbreak in China.

“It’s a very, very low risk to the United States,” Fauci said during an interview with radio show host John Catsimatidis.

“But it’s something that we as public health officials need to take very seriously... It isn’t something the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about. Because we have ways of preparing and screening of people coming in [from China]. And we have ways of responding - like we did with this one case in Seattle, Washington, who had traveled to China and brought back the infection.”


https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/479939-government-health-agency-official-corona-virus-isnt-something-the

[PeteS in CA]

Maybe, maybe not @PeteS in CA

Let's not accept Fauci's edicts blindly.  Not only does the doctor need to stay in his lane; remember, he's one of the experts who told us not to worry.

@Right_in_Virginia, I've committed the opposite error of "accepting Fauci's edicts blindly"? Where? Got a link?

As for "telling us not to worry", like every member of the White House Task Force, he speaks and acts based on what was known at the time. And we have learned that WHO and China probably lied about evidence of human-human transmission for close to a month. IOW, Fauci made comments based on false knowledge he could not know was false. As have Trump and others on the Task Force and in his Administration.

[Neverdul]

@Right_in_Virginia, I've committed the opposite error of "accepting Fauci's edicts blindly"? Where? Got a link?

As for "telling us not to worry", like every member of the White House Task Force, he speaks and acts based on what was known at the time. And we have learned that WHO and China probably lied about evidence of human-human transmission for close to a month. IOW, Fauci made comments based on false knowledge he could not know was false. As have Trump and others on the Task Force and in his Administration.

 

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia, I've committed the opposite error of "accepting Fauci's edicts blindly"? Where? Got a link?

As for "telling us not to worry", like every member of the White House Task Force, he speaks and acts based on what was known at the time. And we have learned that WHO and China probably lied about evidence of human-human transmission for close to a month. IOW, Fauci made comments based on false knowledge he could not know was false. As have Trump and others on the Task Force and in his Administration.

Oh, for crap sake @PeteS in CA my comment "let's not accept Fauci's edicts blindly" was not aimed personally at you.  "Let's" (all of us) is plural.   I'm saying in hindsight Fauci was wrong in January  (https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/479939-government-health-agency-official-corona-virus-isnt-something-the) .... wrong in Feb when he said he believed China's stats (https://video.foxnews.com/v/6133678234001#sp=show-clips)  --- which mean he CAN be wrong again in April.

And let's (again, the plural) remember Fauci did not panic during the swine flu epidemic of 2009-2010.  But today we must keep the country closed until not one of us dies.   We should not blindly accept his directions ... if for no other reason than he is, after all, a lifelong political bureaucrat.

[FeelNoPain]

@Right_in_Virginia, I've committed the opposite error of "accepting Fauci's edicts blindly"? Where? Got a link?

As for "telling us not to worry", like every member of the White House Task Force, he speaks and acts based on what was known at the time. And we have learned that WHO and China probably lied about evidence of human-human transmission for close to a month. IOW, Fauci made comments based on false knowledge he could not know was false. As have Trump and others on the Task Force and in his Administration.

I agree. But the others aren't running for re-election in the fall and neither is Dr. Fauci. There won't be any opposition ads of Dr. Fauci's misstatements based on the false information.

[PeteS in CA]

Oh, for crap sake @PeteS in CA my comment "let's not accept Fauci's edicts blindly" was not aimed personally at you.  "Let's" (all of us) is plural.   ...

"Us" is first person plural, which mean I was one of the "us". While the value of Fauci's comments are dependent on the information he has, the same is true of Trump and every other person in the coronavirus effort. That is no great revelation, so, yes, Fauci could be wrong, though in this case he was not speaking based on Chinese information, AFAIK.

But there is a HUGE canyon between saying Fauci could be mistaken and calling him a "quack"!

There was a time when I took Jim Hoft and GatewayPundit as generally reliable. But for several years now I've been aware that his fact-checking is sometime too cursory, and then there's intemperate remarks like this one. I may occasionally post a story I first saw on Gateway Pundit, but I almost always check for and post the confirming original source. The hand that's been burnt ...

[truth_seeker]

I'm with @PeteS in CA

Calling Fauci names, is very low information.

However that is clearly the trend

[Absalom]

It's Friday. so another brain dead urinary contest rages.
Whatever his shortcomings, real or mostly imagined; Anthony Fauci,
educated at Holy Cross and Cornell Medical; is a Scientist, first and last.
Predictably, his detractors are politicos and their sycophants who couldn't
spell Science if you spotted them 6 letters!!!

[Fishrrman]

Well, folks, at what point SHOULD restrictions be lifted?

When the R0 rate is 1.5?
or
When it drops to 1.25?
or
When it drops to 1.0? (one infected person infects one more person)
or
When it drops to, say, .75?

Is that low enough?
You tell me...

[mountaineer]

Sean Spicier @sean_spicier
Dr. Fauci is the first doctor I’ve ever heard of that doesn’t want to hear about a cure
8:14 AM · Apr 3, 2020

Note: this is not Sean Spicer's twitter account. It's a parody account.

[DB]

Well, folks, at what point SHOULD restrictions be lifted?

When the R0 rate is 1.5?
or
When it drops to 1.25?
or
When it drops to 1.0? (one infected person infects one more person)
or
When it drops to, say, .75?

Is that low enough?
You tell me...

Restrictions should be managed to keep hospitals operating below that which requires triage. If a region has empty beds those regions should have restriction lifted to the point to start filling beds. If many beds are empty in a region then the restrictions are too tight and should be reduced.

The biggest problem is the approximate two week delay from policy changes to beds filling/emptying. It is a delayed feedback loop that is difficult to manage without bumping into the limits.

[mountaineer]

FLASHBACK: Jan. 21: Fauci Says Coronavirus ‘Not A Major Threat’ To U.S.
https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/03/flashback-fauci-coronavirus-us-threat-trump/?fbclid=IwAR0b_DHGh0h_PYM50pX-ESVfsLRvTgBcvM46DyF97Nuhw3Sz0_BH-YCNLOs

[musiclady]

It's Friday. so another brain dead urinary contest rages.
Whatever his shortcomings, real or mostly imagined; Anthony Fauci,
educated at Holy Cross and Cornell Medical; is a Scientist, first and last.
Predictably, his detractors are politicos and their sycophants who couldn't
spell Science if you spotted them 6 letters!!!

But it’s so much fun getting attention by calling a brilliant scientist a quack, doncha know??

Especially when one knows nothing and desperately craves attention...

There’s a lot of that going on these days.... 

[mountaineer]

WHOA! Dr. Fauci in 2017: President Trump Will Be Challenged By a "Surprise Global Disease Outbreak" (VIDEO)
By Jim Hoft
Published April 3, 2020 at 9:17pm

... Back in 2017 at forum on pandemic preparedness at Georgetown University Dr. Fauci made an interesting statement. Fauci told the audience the Trump administration will not only be challenged by ongoing global health threats such as influenza and HIV, but also a surprise disease outbreak.  ...

This is the same guy who told Americans not to worry about the coronavirus back in January.  ... More at Gateway Pundit

[jmyrlefuller]

Fauci has made clear he does not care the outside ramifications of his and the governors' mandates, he has pooh-poohed them as "inconveniences" and that he "do(es)n't believe" those who warn him of the consequences.

So far, the CDC has shown a leveling off in new cases.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

[jmyrlefuller]

Well, folks, at what point SHOULD restrictions be lifted?

When the R0 rate is 1.5?
or
When it drops to 1.25?
or
When it drops to 1.0? (one infected person infects one more person)
or
When it drops to, say, .75?

Is that low enough?
You tell me...

Obviously not before it gets below 1.0—the point where infections start going down.

I posted in the main coronavirus thread that travel is down on average about 70-80% compared to pre-lockdown figures, even more in the hardest hit big cities. If true, that should reduce R0 to about 0.7... something the Kinsa fever estimates bear out.

I prepared for a few more weeks of this to weed out any remaining infections. But our official numbers are mangled up. The topline numbers are only recorded from date of positive test weeks after infection in most places.

[DB]

Obviously not before it gets below 1.0—the point where infections start going down.

I posted in the main coronavirus thread that travel is down on average about 70-80% compared to pre-lockdown figures, even more in the hardest hit big cities. If true, that should reduce R0 to about 0.7... something the Kinsa fever estimates bear out.

I prepared for a few more weeks of this to weed out any remaining infections. But our official numbers are mangled up. The topline numbers are only recorded from date of positive test weeks after infection in most places.

The only thing that really matters is keeping hospitals from being overloaded leading to triage. If the areas hospitals are underutilized the restrictions should be relaxed. If they are overloaded they should be increased. One should assume that one is going to get it at some point in time short of a vaccine becoming available.

[PeteS in CA]

FLASHBACK: Jan. 21: Fauci Says Coronavirus ‘Not A Major Threat’ To U.S.
https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/03/flashback-fauci-coronavirus-us-threat-trump/?fbclid=IwAR0b_DHGh0h_PYM50pX-ESVfsLRvTgBcvM46DyF97Nuhw3Sz0_BH-YCNLOs

Q/ On what day did China and WHO finally acknowledge that human-human transmission of this coronavirus?

A/ First acknowledgement of human-human transmission of coronavirus: January 20, 2020, https://abcnews.go.com/Health/human-human-transmission-coronavirus-reported-china/story?id=68403105

IOW, Dr. Fauci's comment was based on what was known. Context matters.

WHOA! Dr. Fauci in 2017: President Trump Will Be Challenged By a "Surprise Global Disease Outbreak" (VIDEO)
By Jim Hoft
Published April 3, 2020 at 9:17pm

... Back in 2017 at forum on pandemic preparedness at Georgetown University Dr. Fauci made an interesting statement. Fauci told the audience the Trump administration will not only be challenged by ongoing global health threats such as influenza and HIV, but also a surprise disease outbreak.  ...

This is the same guy who told Americans not to worry about the coronavirus back in January.  ... More at Gateway Pundit

OK, and who was the most recent President who did not have a "global health threat" happen during his administration? George H. W. Bush? Ronald Reagan? IOW, that something would happen sometime during Trump's administration was somewhere between very likely and predictable. But that does not mean Fauci did any more than speak based on what was known at the time he spoke.

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Speaking more generally, why the seeming urgency to bogeymanize Dr. Fauci?

[mountaineer]

Speaking more generally, why the seeming urgency to bogeymanize Dr. Fauci?

No such "urgency" on my part. I'm just sharing relevant information.

[jmyrlefuller]

Speaking more generally, why the seeming urgency to bogeymanize Dr. Fauci?

It has to do more with his recent statements showing his lack of disregard for unintended consequences with respect to his current stance of eliminating the virus at all costs. It's a recent development; Fauci and Trump had been on the same page up until this week. But Fauci clearly has Trump's ear, and that could be dangerous.

[Neverdul]

Q/ On what day did China and WHO finally acknowledge that human-human transmission of this coronavirus?

A/ First acknowledgement of human-human transmission of coronavirus: January 20, 2020, https://abcnews.go.com/Health/human-human-transmission-coronavirus-reported-china/story?id=68403105

IOW, Dr. Fauci's comment was based on what was known. Context matters.

OK, and who was the most recent President who did not have a "global health threat" happen during his administration? George H. W. Bush? Ronald Reagan? IOW, that something would happen sometime during Trump's administration was somewhere between very likely and predictable. But that does not mean Fauci did any more than speak based on what was known at the time he spoke.

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Speaking more generally, why the seeming urgency to bogeymanize Dr. Fauci?

I remember watching a documentary about the Spanish Flu back in the late 90’ or early 2000's where the conclusion was not “if” another pandemic would happen but rather “when” it would happen.  Many have been sounding this alarm for years.

The many epidemiologists and communicable disease experts interviewed in the documentary (that might have included Dr. Fauci – I don’t remember) said that another influenza pandemic on the scale of the H1N1 Spanish Flu might be possible but their far bigger concern was a completely new respiratory virus, one both easily transmittable human to human and deadly but no so deadly as to burn out quickly, and unlike influenza, one without a vaccine or known treatment. Likely a virus emerging from China or sub-Saharan Africa or even South America from an animal vector and IIRC likely originating in bats and spreading to domesticated fowl or pigs before jumping to humans and likely completely new virus to humans as we encroach on and develop and farm areas that had never been populated or developed before.

While a movie and an over simplification, the 2011 movie “Contagion” did pretty good job of illustrating this point.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1HH1-ozS_A

[jpsb]

Not at all impressed with Dr. Fauci. Dr. Deborah Birx seems to know her stuff.

[Absalom]

But it’s so much fun getting attention by calling a brilliant scientist a quack, doncha know??
Especially when one knows nothing and desperately craves attention...
There’s a lot of that going on these days.... 

---------------------
Indeed!

[truth_seeker]

Not at all impressed with Dr. Fauci. Dr. Deborah Birx seems to know her stuff.

There is a common issue in STEM; the best technical person is often not that good at communication, management, etc.

I have heard it called 'Dual Track"

[mountaineer]

Dr. Anthony Fauci Plotted ‘Global Vaccine Action Plan’ with Bill Gates Before Pushing COVID Panic and Doubts About Hydroxychloroquine Treatments
Is this why Fauci has been so skeptical of hydroxychloroquine?
Published 1 hour ago on Apr 6, 2020
By Shane Trejo

Dr. Anthony Fauci, who has become a beloved doom prophet fomenting mass hysteria among the American public amidst the coronavirus pandemic, once worked with technocratic oligarch Bill Gates on his “Global Vaccine Action Plan.”  ...

The “Global Vaccine Action Plan” was announced in 2010 as a public-private partnership of the World Health Organization (WHO), the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF), the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.  ...  Big League Politics

[txradioguy]

Dr. Anthony Fauci Plotted ‘Global Vaccine Action Plan’ with Bill Gates Before Pushing COVID Panic and Doubts About Hydroxychloroquine Treatments
Is this why Fauci has been so skeptical of hydroxychloroquine?
Published 1 hour ago on Apr 6, 2020
By Shane Trejo

Dr. Anthony Fauci, who has become a beloved doom prophet fomenting mass hysteria among the American public amidst the coronavirus pandemic, once worked with technocratic oligarch Bill Gates on his “Global Vaccine Action Plan.”  ...

The “Global Vaccine Action Plan” was announced in 2010 as a public-private partnership of the World Health Organization (WHO), the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF), the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.  ...  Big League Politics

IIRC Dr. Birx is tied to that group too.

[mountaineer]

IIRC Dr. Birx is tied to that group too.

Yes.

[txradioguy]

Yes.

Both Birx and Fauchi are using models for this virus created by Gates' institute...not anything from the CDC as well.  They seem to be the only models predicting the numbers of deaths and infections to be so high.  IN addition the best/worst case numbers are as far apart as the east and west sides of the Grand Canyon.

That model too also predicts one more extension of the forced internment in our houses through the end of May.

[PeteS in CA]

Treatments are not vaccines. Treatments are for those with a disease; vaccines are to prevent catching a disease.

[DB]

Both Birx and Fauchi are using models for this virus created by Gates' institute...not anything from the CDC as well.  They seem to be the only models predicting the numbers of deaths and infections to be so high.  IN addition the best/worst case numbers are as far apart as the east and west sides of the Grand Canyon.

That model too also predicts one more extension of the forced internment in our houses through the end of May.

The feedback mechanism ought to be based on the hospital utilization. If hospitals are under utilized the recommended restrictions ought to be relaxed. If they over utilized to the point of triage the recommended restrictions need to be increased. There is a gauge to measure what should be done.

I'll add, this measure/feedback mechanism should be on the local level, not the national level.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Which moron hired this quack? /sarc

Only the Best!

[txradioguy]

Which moron hired this quack? /sarc

Only the Best!

He's been the head of the NAIAD since 1984.  The gentleman that originally appointed him certainly wasn't a "moron".

[Cyber Liberty]

He's been the head of the NAIAD since 1984.  The gentleman that originally appointed him certainly wasn't a "moron".

"Amiable Dunce?"

[txradioguy]

"Amiable Dunce?"

 

[jmyrlefuller]

He's been the head of the NAIAD since 1984.  The gentleman that originally appointed him certainly wasn't a "moron".

Yet let's remember: neither he nor anyone else has seen anything of this sort hit American shores.

To an extent, we are all guessing on this.

[txradioguy]

Yet let's remember: neither he nor anyone else has seen anything of this sort hit American shores.

To an extent, we are all guessing on this.

I would say that H1N1 was worse.  Now maybe in 2009 he was giving the same advice to Obama that he's giving to Trump right now.  But who knows at this point. 

[Formerly Once-Ler]

He's been the head of the NAIAD since 1984.  The gentleman that originally appointed him certainly wasn't a "moron".

Indeed he wasn't.  Hence the /sarc tag

[musiclady]

Both Birx and Fauchi are using models for this virus created by Gates' institute...not anything from the CDC as well.  They seem to be the only models predicting the numbers of deaths and infections to be so high.  IN addition the best/worst case numbers are as far apart as the east and west sides of the Grand Canyon.

That model too also predicts one more extension of the forced internment in our houses through the end of May.

I gotta ask this, @txradioguy - is there something wrong with your house?  Your neighborhood?  Don't  you have a yard?  Can't you walk around in your neighborhood?

Why in the world do you consider staying home like being in prison?

I'm kinda kidding, but kinda not.........   I've been at home for more than 3 weeks now, and I'm perfectly fine.  Don't feel like a prisoner at all....

I find your use of the word "internment" very, very odd......

You can escape, you know.  To Walmart, or Kroger, or a park.  It's really not that bad to be home for a few weeks if you have even a modicum of creativity. 

(But I guess it does explain why you're so emotional about this whole thing).

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Seems over the weekend the forum sheeple decided to up and hate Dr. Fauci for some reason...

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I'm with @PeteS in CA

Calling Fauci names, is very low information.

However that is clearly the trend

Sorry to tell you we agree.

[txradioguy]

I gotta ask this, @txradioguy - is there something wrong with your house?  Your neighborhood?  Don't  you have a yard?  Can't you walk around in your neighborhood?

Why in the world do you consider staying home like being in prison?

I'm kinda kidding, but kinda not.........   I've been at home for more than 3 weeks now, and I'm perfectly fine.  Don't feel like a prisoner at all....

Well I live on a military base.  They've got rules in place a little more stringent than civilian neighborhoods.  I don't feel like putting on a damn mask just to take a walk through my neighborhood.

I find your use of the word "internment" very, very odd......

Well we aren't volunteering for any of this for the most part right now are we?  If it's forced on us...what other way is there to describe it?

You can escape, you know.  To Walmart, or Kroger, or a park.  It's really not that bad to be home for a few weeks if you have even a modicum of creativity. 

(But I guess it does explain why you're so emotional about this whole thing).

And we've done that.  Colorado Springs is a damn ghost town.  It's sad. 

Oh and as for your snarky "emotional" remark.  There's nothing emotional in what I'm saying.  I'm just stating reality in a world where you can't buy toilet paper ramen and other normal items in a store because people panicked and bought them up for no rational reason.

Emotional is buying into wildly inaccurate charts about deaths from this virus that are hawked at the highest level and repeated ad nauseam on the news and on social media and talked about like fact on forums like this.

Being emotional is worrying more about this virus and the low number of deaths so far in comparison to how many people die each year from drug over doses (68K in 2018 the last year they have data on) or the flu.  Did you know that the rate of flu deaths right now is ABOVE the epidemic threshold right now?  Or that 162 infants have died from the flu during the 2019-20 flu season?  Yet the same doctor who runs the labs and the center that generates the stats about that particular virus isn't up in front of a podium telling people we need to shut the country down to stop its spread.

If anything I'm looking at all of this from a logical non emotion point of view.  What you're doing is projection.

This was a test to see how easily people would comply...we've failed that test miserably.

But you go ahead and think I'm being "emotional" because I'm not buying into the hype like you and some others here are.

[txradioguy]

Seems over the weekend the forum sheeple decided to up and hate Dr. Fauci for some reason...

Well there's been things emerging that lead people to doubt the sincerity of some of the things he's saying right now.

[Bigun]

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I stopped blaming President Trump on March 13th when he declared a National Emergency and asked for the cooperation of all Americans.  I think Garrison's offensive cartoon implies my President, and still your President too @Bigun , would instigate Martial Law and checkpoints and a mandatory vaccine rollout at the instruction of George Soros.  It's stupid.  Even more sad than the cartoon is the realization that you are not a stupid man, so I gotta ask "Do you think Soros is pulling President Trump's strings?"

[musiclady]

Well I live on a military base.  They've got rules in place a little more stringent than civilian neighborhoods.  I don't feel like putting on a damn mask just to take a walk through my neighborhood.


Well we aren't volunteering for any of this for the most part right now are we?  If it's forced on us...what other way is there to describe it?

And we've done that.  Colorado Springs is a damn ghost town.  It's sad. 

Oh and as for your snarky "emotional" remark.  There's nothing emotional in what I'm saying.  I'm just stating reality in a world where you can't buy toilet paper ramen and other normal items in a store because people panicked and bought them up for no rational reason.

Emotional is buying into wildly inaccurate charts about deaths from this virus that are hawked at the highest level and repeated ad nauseam on the news and on social media and talked about like fact on forums like this.

Being emotional is worrying more about this virus and the low number of deaths so far in comparison to how many people die each year from drug over doses (68K in 2018 the last year they have data on) or the flu.  Did you know that the rate of flu deaths right now is ABOVE the epidemic threshold right now?  Or that 162 infants have died from the flu during the 2019-20 flu season?  Yet the same doctor who runs the labs and the center that generates the stats about that particular virus isn't up in front of a podium telling people we need to shut the country down to stop its spread.

If anything I'm looking at all of this from a logical non emotion point of view.  What you're doing is projection.

This was a test to see how easily people would comply...we've failed that test miserably.

But you go ahead and think I'm being "emotional" because I'm not buying into the hype like you and some others here are.

#1 - I'm not "buying the hype."  Try to realize that intelligent, well informed, independent thinking people can disagree with each other. 

#2 - From the beginning you have been snarking at other people accusing us of being emotional, so don't get all defensive when the snark is turned back on you.  It's what happens when you start with the accusations before you listen to people.  Conclusions are almost always wrong when you do that.  And your conclusions are wildly wrong.

#3 - People here who take the viral threat more seriously than you do are not the people who are hoarding TP because they are scared.  Conflating the two groups is stupid.

#4 - Until this issue I have always believed you to be one of the most level headed people on this forum, but your reaction and offense at the measures being taken to help the hospitals deal with the greatest health care crisis in any of our lifetimes, is seemingly very different from the rational person I always believed you to be.  There are one or two others from whom I expect screeching and wailing and irrational false accusations about being lemmings and falling for leftist lies, but you were never one of them.

Until now.

I still respect you a lot, but this new over-the-top (and quite nasty) persona is one I'm going to have to get used to.

In the mean time, I'm going to be smart, and content, and considerate of the health of others and calmly stay home.  And I will believe the people who know what they're doing, and not someone who is not in the medical profession posting anonymously on a political forum.  So forgive me for not thinking of you as an expert.


btw.........even on a military base, there must be opportunity to be creative so that you don't lose your mind.

Try it.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Well I live on a military base.  They've got rules in place a little more stringent than civilian neighborhoods.  I don't feel like putting on a damn mask just to take a walk through my neighborhood.


Well we aren't volunteering for any of this for the most part right now are we?  If it's forced on us...what other way is there to describe it?

And we've done that.  Colorado Springs is a damn ghost town.  It's sad. 

Oh and as for your snarky "emotional" remark.  There's nothing emotional in what I'm saying.  I'm just stating reality in a world where you can't buy toilet paper ramen and other normal items in a store because people panicked and bought them up for no rational reason.

Emotional is buying into wildly inaccurate charts about deaths from this virus that are hawked at the highest level and repeated ad nauseam on the news and on social media and talked about like fact on forums like this.

Being emotional is worrying more about this virus and the low number of deaths so far in comparison to how many people die each year from drug over doses (68K in 2018 the last year they have data on) or the flu.  Did you know that the rate of flu deaths right now is ABOVE the epidemic threshold right now?  Or that 162 infants have died from the flu during the 2019-20 flu season?  Yet the same doctor who runs the labs and the center that generates the stats about that particular virus isn't up in front of a podium telling people we need to shut the country down to stop its spread.

If anything I'm looking at all of this from a logical non emotion point of view.  What you're doing is projection.

This was a test to see how easily people would comply...we've failed that test miserably.

But you go ahead and think I'm being "emotional" because I'm not buying into the hype like you and some others here are.

You make some very good points, and many I agree with.  On the points where we disagree I don't think you're particularly emotional about it.  I am emotional about it...sorry it comes with my humanity.  On those points, I'm perfect happy to agree you are unemotionally wrong, as long as you allow my right to be emotionally wrong also.

I don't think we are anywhere near peak so I'll wait to do comparisons with other tragedies...or shall we fight over the term "tragedies?"

I think you are an incredibly smart fellow.  You come up with stuff like "This was a test to see how easily people would comply...we've failed that test miserably."

That's awesome, damning, and undeniable, but now we know where we are as Americans.  Assimilate Now!  We are Negan!

I did some thinking over my last 3-day ban.  I recognized that it's no fun arguing with myself.  I'm sure I've said belittling things to you in the heat of an argument and my only defense is we are all hypocrites sometimes, but I'm glad you're here @txradioguy .  I appreciate your cynicism and observations. 

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I don't think we are anywhere near peak so I'll wait to do comparisons with other tragedies...or shall we fight over the term "tragedies?"

We have no idea where peak was...if we're in the middle of it or at the tail end because of two things. 1) The lack of candor (and continued deception) by the ChiComs at the beginning of this about how many were sick, when they started dealing with it and how many died and 2) because our own CDC is instructing hospitals to list the Chinese Corona Virus as the primary cause of death in someone even if they died of a heart attack or cancer and merely tested positive for the virus.

My point in comparing death rate from this nothing's like drug over doses and the 2019-20 flu season is to show that there are things that happen in this country that cause far more deaths per day/month/year that haven't generated the kind of panic and top down closure of the entire country like this particular virus has.

Why this one?  Why now?

I'm sure I've said belittling things to you in the heat of an argument and my only defense is we are all hypocrites sometimes, but I'm glad you're here @txradioguy .  I appreciate your cynicism and observations. 

@Once-Ler it's all good.  I've given as good as I've gotten.  I don't take it personal.  If I did I'd have left here a couple months after I was invited over from TOS.

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I stopped blaming President Trump on March 13th when he declared a National Emergency and asked for the cooperation of all Americans.  I think Garrison's offensive cartoon implies my President, and still your President too @Bigun , would instigate Martial Law and checkpoints and a mandatory vaccine rollout at the instruction of George Soros.  It's stupid.  Even more sad than the cartoon is the realization that you are not a stupid man, so I gotta ask "Do you think Soros is pulling President Trump's strings?"

I don't believe that's supposed to be Soros, but Bill Gates.