Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2

[libertybele]

Clay Travis   @ClayTravis
Question: wasn’t the rationale for a national shutdown to flatten the curve and avoid hospitals from being overrun? Now that we know that isn’t happening anywhere, why has the lockdown rationale suddenly shifted to we can’t go back to work without a vaccine?
1:52 PM · Apr 14, 2020·

Yes, that was the rationale and also to protect those most vulnerable.  Projections vary though as to when each state is supposed to hit its peak and many haven't yet, but most states should see the virus peak by the end of April.  How those projections have  been arrived at, I don't know.  It is logical that the less people are exposed to the virus, the less chance of it spreading. However, certainly we can't shelter in forever.  Obviously people need to go back to work and the country needs to start functioning again.

[Cyber Liberty]

Is this like votes in the trunk of a car in SoCal?

[Formerly Once-Ler]

NYC death toll jumps by 3,700 after uncounted fatalities are added

whoopsie

I thought he was the worst Mayor ever after he killed the groundhog.

[DB]

A follow up on my niece. I found out today that she tested negative for Covid-19. She has only been given the test one time so a lot is riding on the accuracy of it. She has been diagnosed with pneumonia and has severe coughing with a fever that comes and goes. She's on antibiotics.

I'm still highly concerned.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

A follow up on my niece. I found out today that she tested negative for Covid-19. She has only been given the test one time so a lot is riding on the accuracy of it.

That is good news.

She has been diagnosed with pneumonia and has severe coughing with a fever that comes and goes. She's on antibiotics.

I'm still highly concerned.

Prayers sent.

[Smokin Joe]

A follow up on my niece. I found out today that she tested negative for Covid-19. She has only been given the test one time so a lot is riding on the accuracy of it. She has been diagnosed with pneumonia and has severe coughing with a fever that comes and goes. She's on antibiotics.

I'm still highly concerned.

Prayers up !

[jmyrlefuller]

whoopsie

I thought he was the worst Mayor ever after he killed the groundhog.

Groundhog now listed as dying of coronavirus.

The worst part of this policy is that a majority of people who get tested for it end up testing negative, even if they're suspected of having it. Just this past week, they announced Richard Brodsky, a former politician, had died of coronavirus—only to retract that after he tested negative postmortem. He'd actually died of a heart attack.

So of all these presumed cases, maybe 30% of them likely had the virus, let alone died a result of it.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Groundhog now listed as dying of coronavirus.

funny

The worst part of this policy is that a majority of people who get tested for it end up testing negative, even if they're suspected of having it. Just this past week, they announced Richard Brodsky, a former politician, had died of coronavirus—only to retract that after he tested negative postmortem. He'd actually died of a heart attack.

So of all these presumed cases, maybe 30% of them likely had the virus, let alone died a result of it.

messed up

[catfish1957]

funnymessed up

Wonder how many Groundhog vehicular mishaps and death certificates are going to be reclassified.

[musiclady]

Clay Travis   @ClayTravis
Question: wasn’t the rationale for a national shutdown to flatten the curve and avoid hospitals from being overrun? Now that we know that isn’t happening anywhere, why has the lockdown rationale suddenly shifted to we can’t go back to work without a vaccine?
1:52 PM · Apr 14, 2020·

I haven't heard that "we can't go back to work without a vaccine."  Is that coming from leftist politicians?

What I have heard repeatedly is that we can go back to work soon, but that care must be taken for the health of the workers until there is a vaccine.

BIG difference there.

[TomSea]

Japan urges citizens to isolate as reports warn of 400,000 deaths
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-japan-idUSKCN21X149

New York City coronavirus deaths suspected to be more than 10,000
...

Last week, Mayor Bill de Blasio admitted that the city's official death toll probably underestimated the true extent of the deadly outbreak.

More: https://news.yahoo.com/york-city-coronavirus-deaths-suspected-more-10-000-224216474.html

I think suggesting the continual drone of low death rate is out-of-touch, hospitals are burdened heavily, one doesn't have different governments doing the same thing, that out of Japan is a real nightmare forecast.

New York and somewhere else are acknowledging they are probably "undercounting".

That may not be so, but it's more than the farcical "16" a day one was asserting about a month ago, now, we are up to 26,000 plus in just, what seems to me, a month.

[Smokin Joe]

In New York City perhaps, but all over the world?  Not likely. 

2 million is a lot of people to die in less than two months.  If a fraction of those deaths are "inflated," that's still a lot of people to die in just a few months.

And the deaths lag behind, so it's still going to increase. 

That's a lot of people who actually ARE dying of COVID-19.   A lot.

What was I referring to?
New York City's policy of adding idiopathic deaths outside of a clinical setting to the SARS-CoV-2 death toll.

I didn't say anything about the rest of the world, so don't kindly jack my comment and change the subject.
How much extra funding is New York City going to make from attributing 3700 (and counting) deaths to the virus as opposed to other causes of death?

But since you went there, what two million people?

According to these guys, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?%20, as of this posting in the whole world there have been

Deaths:
128,965
Recovered:
492,482

Not only not even a tenth of your "two million  deaths", but nearly 4 times as many recovered as died.

Seems New York City isn't the only one reporting high numbers.

[TomSea]

Not sure what the deal is, China unleashed this on the world, we should be mad at them and WHO but....

It doesn't amount to much more than the flu to begin with?

[Hoodat]

According to these guys, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?%20, as of this posting in the whole world there have been 

Deaths:
128,965
Recovered:
492,482

Not only not even a tenth of your "two million  deaths", but nearly 4 times as many recovered as died.

There are an additional 245,000 who were diagnosed 14+ days ago and have survived, but have not yet been listed as 'recovered'.

[musiclady]

What was I referring to?
New York City's policy of adding idiopathic deaths outside of a clinical setting to the SARS-CoV-2 death toll.

I didn't say anything about the rest of the world, so don't kindly jack my comment and change the subject.
How much extra funding is New York City going to make from attributing 3700 (and counting) deaths to the virus as opposed to other causes of death?

But since you went there, what two million people?

According to these guys, https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?utm_campaign=homeAdvegas1?%20, as of this posting in the whole world there have been  Not only not even a tenth of your "two million  deaths", but nearly 4 times as many recovered as died.

Seems New York City isn't the only one reporting high numbers.

I humbly apologize and will remove my post.

I saw the number of cases and mistook it for deaths.

It was unintentional.

And now I understand that you were talking about NYC only.  That was not clear from your post.

[Bigun]

The left has found the vehicle for the takedown of America. The rest is just epilogue.

[skeeter]

The left has found the vehicle for the takedown of America. The rest is just epilogue.

The left's intentions should be clear by now - fighting the virus is tangential. We should be gearing up to fight them but we still seem to be in a dither over the veracity of their claims.

[Smokin Joe]

The left has found the vehicle for the takedown of America. The rest is just epilogue.

Not just the vehicle, but the driver (CCP).

[Smokin Joe]

The left's intentions should be clear by now - fighting the virus is tangential. We should be gearing up to fight them but we still seem to be in a dither over the veracity of their claims.

Their claims are as true as the 'bat in a seafood market' fable.

By now we should recognize some fundamental points.

The Left, Islamists, and the CCP have some things in common.

First, and most fundamental, all three lie. The Left through distortion and omission, because despite their dreams, there is still enough freedom of speech here that the truth can get out. Decades long campaigns of remodeling the language through political correctness and the stigma of some -ism or -phobia have worked about all they can, making whole thoughts difficult to express because the words to express them have been rendered unacceptable or even criminal by those who would limit your very ability to even think that the product they are selling is bogus.
The Islamists, because 'it is written', can not only suppress any dissent through the use of a fatwah and a knife, but are fully dispensed to lie to the infidels, engaging in taqiya, lying blatantly for the advancement of Islam. The Left here only dreams of wielding such an iron fist.
The CCP, through blatant propaganda, repetition, and allowing no other alternative to be heard or seen unless it is to provide a veil to hide the routine silencing of any opinion or truth not approved by the CCP. Unlike the US, dissent there can win you a one way ticket to the next life, something the Left here can only dream of.

Fundamental to repressing people is the repression of the truth, the very basis by which people should make decisions. The more muddled the perception of reality, be that through propaganda, indoctrination, lies, or drugs, the more malleable a people, the more easily they are controlled, and the more blind they are to the insidious horrors carried out in their name.

That battle is a war of a thousand cuts, and must be fought with every post online, every statement, carefully couching the truth in the vestiges of language yet allowed while still getting across that the acts, actions, proposals, and indoctrination of the Left are composed of a complex fabrication, a network of interrelated lies designed, ultimately, to place power and wealth in the hands of a few acolytes while dooming the rest of the population to subjugation and misery, with no concept of hope to do better.

We need to expose the lies, to peel back the cover over these maggots that are feasting on the rot they have induced in our culture. The truth is a great place to start.

[skeeter]

QFT. Clearly our side lacks the focus of the left/Islamists/Commies. To them their ideological doctrine is their only reason for living, while the rest of us have lives to live and consider the political fight either a necessary evil or an afterthought

I'm afraid this will pan out much like the second world war did - they will push until we are forced to respond, at which time dislodging them will be far more costly and painful than it would have been had we offered meaningful opposition from the start. But these people need to be opposed ALL of the time which requires a level of cynicism we do not naturally possess.

[Smokin Joe]

QFT. Clearly our side lacks the focus of the left/Islamists/Commies. To them their political cause is their only reason for living, while the rest of us have lives to live and consider the political fight either a necessary evil or an afterthought

I'm afraid this will pan out much like the second world war did - they will push until we are forced to respond, at which time dislodging them will be far more costly and painful than it would have been had we offered meaningful opposition from the start. But these people need to be opposed ALL of the time which requires a level of cynicism we do not naturally possess.

It's not so hard. If their lips are moving, they're lying, with a few half truths sprinkled in either because they are obvious, or to point to when they are called on lying about the rest.

[skeeter]

It's not so hard. If their lips are moving, they're lying, with a few half truths sprinkled in either because they are obvious, or to point to when they are called on lying about the rest.

The problem is sensitizing the rank & file to what you and I easily recognize.

[LadyLiberty]

MLB players, team employees participating in coronavirus study

Employees of Major League Baseball teams are participating in a massive study that will test up to 10,000 people for coronavirus antibodies and should offer researchers a better sense of how widespread the disease is in major metropolitan areas across the United States, although doctors caution that the data gathered is not expected to hasten the game's return.

The study, which is being run by Stanford University, USC and the Sports Medicine Research and Testing Laboratory (SMRTL), will use test kits that draw blood via pinprick and offer results within 10 minutes. The test will detect the prevalence of IgM, an antibody produced relatively early in those who have been infected with COVID-19, and IgG, a second form that doctors said lasts long after the infection happens. A positive test would confirm a person did in fact contract coronavirus, even if he or she was asymptomatic.

The goal of the study is to get a better sense of the virus' true infection rate by utilizing a nationwide sample. The speed with which MLB coordinated logistics and ensured participation from a wide range of people, including players, front-office staff, concession workers and others, made it the right choice for the study, according to doctors running it.

More:  https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29036123/mlb-players-team-employees-participating-coronavirus-study

This should get a good handle on how close we are to heard immunity.  The results will be peer-reviewed and published as soon as next week.

[Smokin Joe]

The problem is sensitizing the rank & file to what you and I easily recognize.

True.

The best place to start is to expose lies and get them thinking critically, looking for the 'catch'.
(Where is the money going to come from? is a biggie.)
My parents started me pretty young when I wanted to order a set of army soldiers from a comic book.
I was excited thinking of the toy soldiers and tanks and such I had, that they would be equivalent in size.
They asked me how big the box was, which was in the ad.
Oh. Far too small to fit a single tank or airplane into, which meant those toy soldiers were pretty darned small.

It was an eye opener, and one I credit for having kept me from a multitude of bad deals over the years.

So start with deceptions which are close to the surface, and easy to root out. Deals too good to be true. Show them the 'catch' by asking them questions designed to get them to see it.
Get them thinking critically.
Once they are thinking critically, their days as liberals are numbered.

[Hoodat]

The study, which is being run by Stanford University, USC and the Sports Medicine Research and Testing Laboratory (SMRTL), will use test kits that draw blood via pinprick and offer results within 10 minutes. The test will detect the prevalence of IgM, an antibody produced relatively early in those who have been infected with COVID-19, and IgG, a second form that doctors said lasts long after the infection happens. A positive test would confirm a person did in fact contract coronavirus, even if he or she was asymptomatic.

This should get a good handle on how close we are to heard immunity.  The results will be peer-reviewed and published as soon as next week.

So when do I get to take one of those tests?  Or is it only available to men who bat .260 or better?

[mystery-ak]

Hyped Malaria Pill Doesn’t Help Clear Coronavirus in Study
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/hyped-malaria-pill-doesnt-help-clear-coronavirus-in-study/ar-BB12EEbv?ocid=spartandhp

[Hoodat]

Hyped Malaria Pill Doesn’t Help Clear Coronavirus in Study
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/hyped-malaria-pill-doesnt-help-clear-coronavirus-in-study/ar-BB12EEbv?ocid=spartandhp

Was zinc included in the study?  Hydroxychloroquine does nothing without zinc.

[mystery-ak]

Birx: Data shows some states 'could do very well with some decreasing restrictions'
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/492938-birx-data-shows-some-states-could-do-very-well-with-some-decreasing

[skeeter]

True.

The best place to start is to expose lies and get them thinking critically, looking for the 'catch'.
(Where is the money going to come from? is a biggie.)
My parents started me pretty young when I wanted to order a set of army soldiers from a comic book.
I was excited thinking of the toy soldiers and tanks and such I had, that they would be equivalent in size.
They asked me how big the box was, which was in the ad.
Oh. Far too small to fit a single tank or airplane into, which meant those toy soldiers were pretty darned small.

It was an eye opener, and one I credit for having kept me from a multitude of bad deals over the years.

So start with deceptions which are close to the surface, and easy to root out. Deals too good to be true. Show them the 'catch' by asking them questions designed to get them to see it.
Get them thinking critically.
Once they are thinking critically, their days as liberals are numbered.

Its easy to be pessimistic but I'm sure you recall how bad it was when all political info was channeled nationally through only  three networks.

At least there are now alternative POVs out there, with more conduits for them every year. At least there is an access to info we can think critically about.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

The left has found the vehicle for the takedown of America. The rest is just epilogue.

Hilarious, but I spell it unanimous.  Yesterday the GOP President was in total control.

[Smokin Joe]

Its easy to be pessimistic but I'm sure you recall how bad it was when all political info was channeled nationally through only  three networks.

At least there are now alternative POVs out there, which more conduits for them every year. At least there is an access to info we can think critically about.

Yep, the three channels we could get were all Watergate, all the time. "Glory days" for the Democrats, and they're trying desperately to relive them. Thank The Almighty they are failing.

Half the battle is channeling youngsters to content that makes sense and is correct.

Not easy, there are enough "crackpot" theories flying around to make the defense of "Conspiracy Theory" viable.
But the fact that such things are thriving, even though often based only on the part of the truth that reinforces those theories, indicates that people are not satisfied with the MSM version of reality and are looking for something that explains what isn't being reported or explained.
The trick with that is debunking conspiracy theories that can't pass muster (and they are legion) right along with the MSM crap.

Get them to look for the angle, the serious questions and the holes in the data, the details that prove someone is distorting reality. Show them how infection rates vs numbers vs percentage increases can all be presented to push one viewpoint over another, when they actually distort what is going on. How even nonstandard units of measure can be used to inflate impact (the most common in the media involve gallons or liters of oil spilled, when the standard unit of measure is either a cubic meter (Canada: 1000 liters) or a barrel (42 US Gallons).
 
The fundamental doubt is widespread, especially among the young, if/when they overcome parroting the popular propaganda, partly because the natural tendency to be rebellious at the transition from childhood to adulthood works in favor of that, and because they may have learned just enough to really start asking questions about the assumptions they were spoon fed. 

As such, we have been relegated to the 'counter-counterculture' (of the 60s): We are what Mao would have described as "counterrevolutionaries"
 
In that, the internet is a great marketplace for ideas as well.

The trick is to sort out and toss aside the guy with an agenda that is self serving over serving everyone, an important fundamental concept of Liberty and Basic Unalienable Rights (that we're all born with them, and even have them before we're born, not from the State, but from The Almighty).
 
While there are many different versions of religion and even those who don't belong to any specific one, the concept of some higher, ordering power in the universe is widespread. By example, by our own beliefs (and we will be asked) we can steer them closer, not only to a restored Republic, but to The Creator who inspired much of that thought.

I'm hardly evangelical material, I'm too rough around the edges, have to edit some of my posts before posting to remove profanity (I'm getting better about that, just because it is tedious), but I deeply believe. I won't force those beliefs on others but I don't mind answering questions and pointing them in the right direction, and don't mind presenting the Bible as a user's manual and guide for humans, not just some bunch of orders. Even the stories have lessons in them that open the way to belief in a benevolent God.

[DB]

"Did Xi Jinping Deliberately Sicken the World?"

https://thediplomat.com/2020/04/did-xi-jinping-deliberately-sicken-the-world/

Wow...

[skeeter]

Yep, the three channels we could get were all Watergate, all the time. "Glory days" for the Democrats, and they're trying desperately to relive them. Thank The Almighty they are failing.

Half the battle is channeling youngsters to content that makes sense and is correct.

Not easy, there are enough "crackpot" theories flying around to make the defense of "Conspiracy Theory" viable.
But the fact that such things are thriving, even though often based only on the part of the truth that reinforces those theories, indicates that people are not satisfied with the MSM version of reality and are looking for something that explains what isn't being reported or explained.
The trick with that is debunking conspiracy theories that can't pass muster (and they are legion) right along with the MSM crap.

Get them to look for the angle, the serious questions and the holes in the data, the details that prove someone is distorting reality. Show them how infection rates vs numbers vs percentage increases can all be presented to push one viewpoint over another, when they actually distort what is going on. How even nonstandard units of measure can be used to inflate impact (the most common in the media involve gallons or liters of oil spilled, when the standard unit of measure is either a cubic meter (Canada: 1000 liters) or a barrel (42 US Gallons).
 
The fundamental doubt is widespread, especially among the young, if/when they overcome parroting the popular propaganda, partly because the natural tendency to be rebellious at the transition from childhood to adulthood works in favor of that, and because they may have learned just enough to really start asking questions about the assumptions they were spoon fed. 

As such, we have been relegated to the 'counter-counterculture' (of the 60s): We are what Mao would have described as "counterrevolutionaries"
 
In that, the internet is a great marketplace for ideas as well.

The trick is to sort out and toss aside the guy with an agenda that is self serving over serving everyone, an important fundamental concept of Liberty and Basic Unalienable Rights (that we're all born with them, and even have them before we're born, not from the State, but from The Almighty).
 
While there are many different versions of religion and even those who don't belong to any specific one, the concept of some higher, ordering power in the universe is widespread. By example, by our own beliefs (and we will be asked) we can steer them closer, not only to a restored Republic, but to The Creator who inspired much of that thought.

I'm hardly evangelical material, I'm too rough around the edges, have to edit some of my posts before posting to remove profanity (I'm getting better about that, just because it is tedious), but I deeply believe. I won't force those beliefs on others but I don't mind answering questions and pointing them in the right direction, and don't mind presenting the Bible as a user's manual and guide for humans, not just some bunch of orders. Even the stories have lessons in them that open the way to belief in a benevolent God.

You'll get no argument from me there. I'm very clear on the existence & nature of this nation's primary benefactor - my testimony might not be as valuable as it could've been, unfortunately. Badly in need of divine grace.

Anyway l'm hopeful a healthier skepticism of government is one of the unintended consequences of this pandemic.

[catfish1957]

Yep, the three channels we could get were all Watergate, all the time. "Glory days" for the Democrats, and they're trying desperately to relive them. Thank The Almighty they are failing.

Half the battle is channeling youngsters to content that makes sense and is correct.

Not easy, there are enough "crackpot" theories flying around to make the defense of "Conspiracy Theory" viable.
But the fact that such things are thriving, even though often based only on the part of the truth that reinforces those theories, indicates that people are not satisfied with the MSM version of reality and are looking for something that explains what isn't being reported or explained.
The trick with that is debunking conspiracy theories that can't pass muster (and they are legion) right along with the MSM crap.

Get them to look for the angle, the serious questions and the holes in the data, the details that prove someone is distorting reality. Show them how infection rates vs numbers vs percentage increases can all be presented to push one viewpoint over another, when they actually distort what is going on. How even nonstandard units of measure can be used to inflate impact (the most common in the media involve gallons or liters of oil spilled, when the standard unit of measure is either a cubic meter (Canada: 1000 liters) or a barrel (42 US Gallons).
 
The fundamental doubt is widespread, especially among the young, if/when they overcome parroting the popular propaganda, partly because the natural tendency to be rebellious at the transition from childhood to adulthood works in favor of that, and because they may have learned just enough to really start asking questions about the assumptions they were spoon fed. 

As such, we have been relegated to the 'counter-counterculture' (of the 60s): We are what Mao would have described as "counterrevolutionaries"
 
In that, the internet is a great marketplace for ideas as well.

The trick is to sort out and toss aside the guy with an agenda that is self serving over serving everyone, an important fundamental concept of Liberty and Basic Unalienable Rights (that we're all born with them, and even have them before we're born, not from the State, but from The Almighty).
 
While there are many different versions of religion and even those who don't belong to any specific one, the concept of some higher, ordering power in the universe is widespread. By example, by our own beliefs (and we will be asked) we can steer them closer, not only to a restored Republic, but to The Creator who inspired much of that thought.

I'm hardly evangelical material, I'm too rough around the edges, have to edit some of my posts before posting to remove profanity (I'm getting better about that, just because it is tedious), but I deeply believe. I won't force those beliefs on others but I don't mind answering questions and pointing them in the right direction, and don't mind presenting the Bible as a user's manual and guide for humans, not just some bunch of orders. Even the stories have lessons in them that open the way to belief in a benevolent God.

Good read.  I especially concur with how society has become so gullible, we allow certain elements / factions to seize and control the narrative.
Just my POV, but it seems in the past 40 years people in general have become less and less able to think and decide for themselves.  It just may end up being our undoing.

[Smokin Joe]

Was zinc included in the study?  Hydroxychloroquine does nothing without zinc.

I saw no mention of either Zinc Sulfate nor a macrolide antibiotic like Azithromycin.

No surprise that a stool missing two out of three legs isn't anything to sit on.

The proposed and claimed to be effective five day regimen included:

200 mg Hydroxychloroquine, twice daily (Provides a pathway through the cell membrane for the zinc)

500 mg Azithromycin (Zithromax) once daily (Helps reduce overactive immune response, interferes with viral rplication, guards against opportunistic bacterial infection)

220mg Zinc Sulfate once daily (provides the zinc the Hydroxychloroquine gets into the cell, which retards viral replication and the destruction of the cell)

The absence of one or more will reduce any effect.

Just one doesn't do it.

[Hoodat]

Just my POV, but it seems in the past 40 years people in general have become less and less able to think and decide for themselves.  It just may end up being our undoing.

This has been by design.  Orwell's 1984 has become their playbook.  From dumbing down the schools, breaking up families, re-instituting slave dependence on government checks, all the way to the impending collapse of Social Security, the Left is playing the long game to consolidate power by attaining total control over the proles.

[Hoodat]

I saw no mention of either Zinc Sulfate nor a macrolide antibiotic like Azithromycin.

No surprise that a stool missing two out of three legs isn't anything to sit on.

The proposed and claimed to be effective five day regimen included:

200 mg Hydroxychloroquine, twice daily (Provides a pathway through the cell membrane for the zinc)

500 mg Azithromycin (Zithromax) once daily (Helps reduce overactive immune response, interferes with viral rplication, guards against opportunistic bacterial infection)

220mg Zinc Sulfate once daily (provides the zinc the Hydroxychloroquine gets into the cell, which retards viral replication and the destruction of the cell)

The absence of one or more will reduce any effect.

Just one doesn't do it.

It's the zinc that kills the virus inside the cell and prevents it from replicating.  The hydroxychloroquine provides the vehicle for getting zinc inside the cell.  The fact that this is a Chinese study makes it suspect since China has applied for the patent for remdesivir (a drug developed by a US company which China is trying to steal).

[jmyrlefuller]

Net change in daily hospitalizations the past few weeks.

[catfish1957]

Net change in daily hospitalizations the past few weeks.

What is strange is how this thing is panning out statisically (at this very moment)

COVID

US Deaths= 26,950
Worldwide Deaths= 130,528

20.6% of all worldwide deaths

Worldwide population

US-335M
World- 7.8B

4.4% of the worlds population.

How this is being enumerated  stinks on so many levels, and makes no damned sense.

[LadyLiberty]

This should get a good handle on how close we are to heard immunity.  The results will be peer-reviewed and published as soon as next week.


So when do I get to take one of those tests?  Or is it only available to men who bat .260 or better?

Did you read the article?  It's a scientific study that will give a good sample of major metropolitan areas.  It will include not only the players but front office, concession workers, janitors, etc. It won't include all of the ball teams. I imagine it would not be good sampling to include more than one team from the same metropolitan area, such as both the Mets and Yankees, or both the White Sox and Cubs. Some teams will not test every player. It will not help them to get back to work any sooner, and it's a completely different test from the one that tells if one is currently infected.

Again, from the article, they wanted to partner with a major corporation with employees in many metropolitan areas to get a good sample for the entire country.  Many were given the opportunity but MLB is the one that the quickest to cooperate.  Don't know who the others were that got the offer  (GE would have been a good candidate), but MLB beat the others out.

[Hoodat]

Did you read the article?  It's a scientific study that will give a good sample of major metropolitan areas.  It will include not only the players but front office, concession workers, janitors, etc. It won't include all of the ball teams. I imagine it would not be good sampling to include more than one team from the same metropolitan area, such as both the Mets and Yankees, or both the White Sox and Cubs. Some teams will not test every player. It will not help them to get back to work any sooner, and it's a completely different test from the one that tells if one is currently infected.

Again, from the article, they wanted to partner with a major corporation with employees in many metropolitan areas to get a good sample for the entire country.  Many were given the opportunity but MLB is the one that the quickest to cooperate.  Don't know who the others were that got the offer  (GE would have been a good candidate), but MLB beat the others out.

Their scientific study doesn't help me.  What would help me is knowing if I have developed antibodies for the virus.  The antibody test would do that.  But unfortunately, I cannot find a way to get one.

If I test positive for antibodies, I can then be tested for the virus.  If the second test comes up negative, then I am free and clear.  No more red tape BS.  No more having to report the names (and companies) of everyone I have come within 6 ft of including date and time for the last 3 weeks.  No more having to cower in my house when I could be out there helping others. 

[Smokin Joe]

Good read.  I especially concur with how society has become so gullible, we allow certain elements / factions to seize and control the narrative.
Just my POV, but it seems in the past 40 years people in general have become less and less able to think and decide for themselves.  It just may end up being our undoing.

I think there has always been some of that. Maybe I just caught on early.
There was a time when academia jealously guarded its ranks, when advancement to positions of prestige were based on accomplishment. That transition came largely in the sixties, when the motivation for a college education shifted from sincerely desiring that greater level of learning to wanting to escape the clutches of the Draft.
With that additional influx, often of children from moneyed families came an influx of money into the University system, and with that money came students who may have been a mite less suited to the rigors of scientific or other curricula. The Departments which really blossomed in that era were not pre-med or physics, but sociology and psychology, largely theory, and where a case could be made for virtually any viewpoint (as the fields were growing by leaps and bounds) those majors also provided the means for students more interested in partying and avoiding service to get good enough grades to maintain their deferments.
Money flowed into the university system, and with the growing fields and departments, came the 'need' for jobs for those eventual graduates, so it wasn't long before the Studies were generated to tell us all how much we needed those particular professions to tell us all how to live, (funded by the public coffers, naturally), to create a job market for the swarms of students who were actually graduating and not busy jumping majors to stay in school and retain those draft deferments.
This happened in a particularly socially vulnerable era where fewer than 10% of Americans had a college degree, and that level of learning was generally respected by many who did not. When the 'experts' were few, and considered to be highly respected, people tended to believe, especially since professional reputations were hanging in the balance.

But some of us, even then questioned people like the guys who said "Turn on, Tune in, Drop out" and then took their turned on dropped out self to the airport and flew to the next town to preach their folly again.
(Where were drugged, dropped out people getting all the money to fly around the country, anyway?)
Even then, people didn't question experts, and now we live in an age where nearly a third of the population has a degree, and while you would expect them to be well enough educated to question much of what they see and hear, the process of education has become one of indoctrination, of suppressing to the point of failing those  who question, and lauding those who parrot what they have been told to believe.
Unfortunately, that has carried over into virtually every facet of life, and the fashion experts are busy lauding the emperor's new clothes, while we can all see the apparent lack of wardrobe.

Kids, though, see what is and what isn't. If grandma is fat, they'll say so. If that show dog smells bad and poops on the floor, they'll mention it. They don't care how many ribbons or what the stud fees are.
So, we have to get them started asking questions (natural enough for the young) before they get shut down, and then step in to defend them for doing so (because those who demand blind compliance will punish them for it.)
And we need to ask a lot more questions ourselves, to expose this nonsense.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

"This is COVID-19, not COVID-1 folks, and so you would think the people in charge of the World Health Organization, facts and figures, would be on top of that."  - Kellyanne Conway on Fox today

[Smokin Joe]

Did you read the article?  It's a scientific study that will give a good sample of major metropolitan areas.  It will include not only the players but front office, concession workers, janitors, etc. It won't include all of the ball teams. I imagine it would not be good sampling to include more than one team from the same metropolitan area, such as both the Mets and Yankees, or both the White Sox and Cubs. Some teams will not test every player. It will not help them to get back to work any sooner, and it's a completely different test from the one that tells if one is currently infected.

Again, from the article, they wanted to partner with a major corporation with employees in many metropolitan areas to get a good sample for the entire country.  Many were given the opportunity but MLB is the one that the quickest to cooperate.  Don't know who the others were that got the offer  (GE would have been a good candidate), but MLB beat the others out.

A caution. Half of the country, roughly speaking, doesn't live in major metropolitan areas, but in the vast expanses between them.
I am concerned that the results of any study conducted only in major metro areas will not allow for the factors unique to that environment versus the factors present (and not) in more rural venues, and as such, any rules or guidelines proposed as a result of those studies will be imposed on rural areas as well without regard for the appropriateness of those measures for the rural environs. One size does not fit all.

[Bigun]

Not just the vehicle, but the driver (CCP).

  With the willing assistance of a great number here.

[catfish1957]

"This is COVID-19, not COVID-1 folks, and so you would think the people in charge of the World Health Organization, facts and figures, would be on top of that."  - Kellyanne Conway on Fox today

Part of the function of the WHO is to dispatch resouces to isolate, and contain events like this.  According to the Hopkins site, 20% of the deaths from this disease are in the U.S.  I agree with the POTUS.....   The money spent on this farce has failed us.  Cut 'em. 

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Part of the function of the WHO is to dispatch resouces to isolate, and contain events like this.  According to the Hopkins site, 20% of the deaths from this disease are in the U.S.  I agree with the POTUS.....   The money spent on this farce has failed us.  Cut 'em.

I was just pointing out that Conway doesn't know the 19 in COVID-19  comes from the year 2019.  It kind of undercuts her expertise.

[musiclady]

Some good news from Ohio today (even though cases and deaths continue to rise).......

Ohio hospitals are putting together a plan to begin elective surgeries again.

Gov. DeWine is meeting with Ohio industries to begin to restart non-essential businesses.

When the stay at home orders diminish, Ohio is going to be ready to resume its robust economy.

Buckeye Strong!  Leading the way.

[catfish1957]

I was just pointing out that Conway doesn't know the 19 in COVID-19  comes from the year 2019.  It kind of undercuts her expertise.

Me on another tangent?   Nahhhhhhhh.....    Still, I put WHO up there with the UN and NATO...   Time to stop underwriting these NWO boondoggles with United States tax dollars.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Me on another tangent?   Nahhhhhhhh.....    Still, I put WHO up there with the UN and NATO...   Time to stop underwriting these NWO boondoggles with United States tax dollars.

There are certainly a lot of people who agree with you.  I think the fund-freezing announcement would have been better saved for a month or two from now, but the President is desperate to get any news...even bad news...to cover over the 2.4K deaths from yesterday.  When the world is in the middle of a pandemic announcing a cut with the World Health Organization looks insane to rat and moderate voters...and some GOP voters I assume.  If he could have he should have waited until we re-open.  JMO

[TomSea]

More Stores Changes At Walmart: Dedicated Senior, First Responder, High-Risk Grocery Pickup Times Available
By Dawn Geske    04/15/20 AT 2:54 PM

Walmart (WMT) has made more changes to its stores during the coronavirus pandemic. Now the retail giant is offering a dedicated pickup time for grocery customers that are most vulnerable for contracting COVID-19.

The new pickup hours are from 7 a.m. to 8 a.m. at select stores. The special pickup times are for those customers over the age of 60, first responders, consumers with disabilities, or anyone that has been designated by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) as high risk.

During all pickup times, Walmart workers are using enhanced social distancing and sanitation procedures to help prevent the spread of the coronavirus. Pickups are also contact-free, with customers opening their trunks and workers loading groceries with no need to sign for orders, Walmart said.

Read more  https://www.ibtimes.com/more-stores-changes-walmart-dedicated-senior-first-responder-high-risk-grocery-pickup-2959313

Michigan, how awful:

Oakland County scouts ice rinks to potentially store bodies in 'last resort' scenario
Jennifer Dixon, Detroit Free Press Published 2:14 p.m. ET April 15, 2020

Oakland County is scouting ice rinks to store bodies during the coronavirus pandemic if its morgue runs out of space, county officials said Wednesday.

Casimir Miarka, administrator for the Oakland County Medical Examiner's Office, said the ice rinks would be used in a worst-case scenario.

County spokesman Bill Mullan said the morgue took in 10 bodies Wednesday from a hospital with  its own morgue at capacity, the first since the coronavirus pandemic hit Michigan in March. He declined to identify the hospital.

Read more at:  https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2020/04/15/coronavirus-oakland-ice-rinks-bodies/5137771002/

I know there was some sort of blurb about what Chicago might do in the news this morning as well.

[catfish1957]

There are certainly a lot of people who agree with you.  I think the fund-freezing announcement would have been better saved for a month or two from now, but the President is desperate to get any news...even bad news...to cover over the 2.4K deaths from yesterday.  When the world is in the middle of a pandemic announcing a cut with the World Health Organization looks insane to rat and moderate voters...and some GOP voters I assume.  If he could have he should have waited until we re-open.  JMO

You are right.  Pulling the rug out right now, is not good PR.  Anger sometimes fosters drastic actions. 

[Cyber Liberty]

I was just pointing out that Conway doesn't know the 19 in COVID-19  comes from the year 2019.  It kind of undercuts her expertise.

I thought we were all out of nits to pick.

[truth_seeker]

A caution. Half of the country, roughly speaking, doesn't live in major metropolitan areas, but in the vast expanses between them.
I am concerned that the results of any study conducted only in major metro areas will not allow for the factors unique to that environment versus the factors present (and not) in more rural venues, and as such, any rules or guidelines proposed as a result of those studies will be imposed on rural areas as well without regard for the appropriateness of those measures for the rural environs. One size does not fit all.

This study indicates 21% of Americans reside in rural or small towns.

The cities and "suburban-exurban areas dominate.

Reagan and Nixon came from suburban California. Bush I and II came from suburban Texas.

Carter, McGovern, Clinton  came from rural small states.

I don't see a useful pattern.

I have watched suburban sprawl all of my life. (It has been called "White flight," too)

My wife and I have sort of 'surveyed" the West in search of the ideal type of setting. We concluded that small-medium metro areas of 50,000-100,000 are about ideal.  Big enough for sshopping, entertainment yet close enough to small town lifestyles and to nature.

[Smokin Joe]

There are certainly a lot of people who agree with you.  I think the fund-freezing announcement would have been better saved for a month or two from now, but the President is desperate to get any news...even bad news...to cover over the 2.4K deaths from yesterday.  When the world is in the middle of a pandemic announcing a cut with the World Health Organization looks insane to rat and moderate voters...and some GOP voters I assume.  If he could have he should have waited until we re-open.  JMO

Sure is a good thing he doesn't have to 'cover' for the ordinary 7700+ deaths per day in the US. That would be a real SOB.

[jmyrlefuller]

I was just pointing out that Conway doesn't know the 19 in COVID-19  comes from the year 2019.  It kind of undercuts her expertise.

I don't think that's what she was implying at all. 'Twas a quip.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Sure is a good thing he doesn't have to 'cover' for the ordinary 7700+ deaths per day in the US. That would be a real SOB.

You can't beat #1

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-leading-cause-of-death.html

COVID-19 is now the leading cause of death in the United States, killing more people per day than the previous top contenders, heart disease and cancer.

The new coronavirus was responsible for the deaths of 1,940 people on April 8 in the U.S., according to a graph published by Dr. Maria Danilychev, who specializes in geriatric medicine, internal medicine, and hospice and palliative medicine at Scripps Health in San Diego.

In comparison, heart disease and cancer took the lives of 1,774 and 1,641 people on a daily basis, respectively, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data from 2018, the most recent year available, Danilychev wrote on the chart. Danilychev gathered the COVID-19 numbers from Worldometers.info.

[Smokin Joe]

You can't beat #1

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-leading-cause-of-death.html

Considering heart disease and cancer are underlying conditions that increase COVID-19 mortality, and that the majority of the deaths took place in NYC, where no test is required  to have been a presumptive COVID-19 victim, I would bet dimes to donuts that the heart disease and cancer numbers dropped off the usual curve to accommodate the desired statistics.

[Neverdul]

"This is COVID-19, not COVID-1 folks, and so you would think the people in charge of the World Health Organization, facts and figures, would be on top of that."  - Kellyanne Conway on Fox today

Stolen from Twitter:

COVID-1
COVID-2 FAST 2 FURIOUS
COVID-3 WITH A VENGEANCE
COVID-4 JUDGEMENT DAY
COVID-5 CRUISE CONTROL
COVID-6 THE LEGEND OF CURLY’S GOLD
MAGNIFICENT COVID-7
COVID-8 MILE
DISTRICT COVID-9
COVID-10 COMMANDMENTS
OCEAN’S COVID-11
COVID-12 MONKEYS
COVID-13 GOING ON 30
COVID-14 THE DREAM WARRIORS
COVID-15 THE SEARCH FOR FAUCI
COVID-16 THE COVID AWAKENS
COVID-17 THE LAST COVID
COVID-18 THE RISE OF CORONAVIRUS

 

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I don't think that's what she was implying at all. 'Twas a quip.

"This is COVID-19, not COVID-1 folks, and so you would think the people in charge of the World Health Organization, facts and figures, would be on top of that."
I see no logical way to read this except she thinks there is a COVID-1 to COVID-18 that came before COVID-19

COVID-1
COVID-2 FAST 2 FURIOUS
COVID-3D
COVID-4 JUDGEMENT DAY
COVID-5 CRUISE CONTROL
COVID-6 THE LEGEND OF CURLY’S GOLD
COVID-7 WITH A VENGEANCE
COVID-8 SECRET OF THE OOZE
COVID-9 COVIDS REVENGE
COVID-10 COVID TAKES MANHATTEN
COVID-11 THE FINAL COVID
COVID-12 COVID LIVES
COVID-13 COVID RETURNS
COVID-14 COVID FOREVER
COVID-15 THUNDERDOME
COVID-16 RAGNAROK
COVID-17 INFINITY WAR
COVID-18 ENDGAME

[Formerly Once-Ler]

COVID-15 THE SEARCH FOR FAUCI

[Cyber Liberty]

You can't beat #1

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-leading-cause-of-death.html

As Hillary Clinton stated, Trump made America First!

(You need to find a better place to shop for your quips.)

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Considering heart disease and cancer are underlying conditions that increase COVID-19 mortality, and that the majority of the deaths took place in NYC, where no test is required  to have been a presumptive COVID-19 victim, I would bet dimes to donuts that the heart disease and cancer numbers dropped off the usual curve to accommodate the desired statistics.

If you had read the part I quoted you'd see the assertion is based off of 2018 statistics...the earliest available.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

As Hillary Clinton stated, Trump made America First!

(You need to find a better place to shop for your quips.)

@Cyber Liberty the #1 comes from the story not Hillary.

Do you ever wonder how others might get tired of you mindlessly attacking me instead of the facts?  You're not good at it.

[Smokin Joe]

If you had read the part I quoted you'd see the assertion is based off of 2018 statistics...the earliest available.

Gee whiz, that's so like, two years ago. Surely between the shampeachment and the desire to have a candidate for POTUS, in a Democrat enclave like NYC, blood pressures are up and more arteries are hardening daily.

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty the #1 comes from the story not Hillary.

Do you ever wonder how others might get tired of you mindlessly attacking me instead of the facts?  You're not good at it.

Mindless?  I prefer to think of my comments as being mindful.  I'm hurt.

[truth_seeker]

Once a member here joked, about dead from a terrorism attack in Manchester England, at a conceret.

Then he disappeared.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Mindless?  I prefer to think of my comments as being mindful.  I'm hurt.

Perhaps that is the best you can do.  I take it back.

[sneakypete]

"Did Xi Jinping Deliberately Sicken the World?"

@DB

Yes.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

You are right.  Pulling the rug out right now, is not good PR.  Anger sometimes fosters drastic actions.

Exactly @catfish1957 .  The rats are going to run ads this fall that will start "In 2018, Trump fired the US pandemic response team and never replaced them."  Then they will quote President Trump saying hoax, and COVID will magically disappear. Then they will say "With a pandemic killing thousands every day, Trump cut funding to the World Health Organization."  I'm not saying it's fair, I'm just saying that ad will be devastating for anyone who lost a mom, dad, sister, brother, grandma, or grandpa.

The only people cheering this are not thinking ahead.  They would have cheered just as loudly if it had been done closer to the election.

[Cyber Liberty]

Perhaps that is the best you can do.  I take it back.

Some days I get up and just don't feel like putting in the effort required.  I started the day finding out two of our best Members left.

[Hoodat]

04-15-2020 | 21:50 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	3.746 ↑	3.523 ↓
United States	1.694 ↑	13.333 ↓
China	23.284 ↑	1.058 ↓

US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 112,031
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 25.5 %  ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 87.3 %  ↑

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Big jump in recoveries (+10K).   But offset by big jump in new cases 14 days ago.  Still, good report.  Three times higher than increase in deaths.

[skeeter]

Some days I get up and just don't feel like putting in the effort required.  I started the day finding out two of our best Members left.

I wish I had half of the patience you do, CL.

[Cyber Liberty]

I wish I had half of the patience you do, CL.

Some days are better than others....

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Some days I get up and just don't feel like putting in the effort required.  I started the day finding out two of our best Members left.

Fair enough.  These are difficult days.  No hard feelings on my side.   

[LadyLiberty]

Their scientific study doesn't help me.  What would help me is knowing if I have developed antibodies for the virus.  The antibody test would do that.  But unfortunately, I cannot find a way to get one.

If I test positive for antibodies, I can then be tested for the virus.  If the second test comes up negative, then I am free and clear.  No more red tape BS.  No more having to report the names (and companies) of everyone I have come within 6 ft of including date and time for the last 3 weeks.  No more having to cower in my house when I could be out there helping others.

I don't have a crystal ball.  It's impossible for me to answer the question as to when an antibody test will be available for all of us.  The company mentioned in the article that I posted is one of many who are working on that test. 

Abbott Labs just announced this today re the antibody test they have been working on:  "Abbott said it will ship nearly 1 million tests this week to U.S. customers while ramping up manufacturing to ship 4 million tests in total in the month of April. By June and beyond, Abbott said it will be shipping 20 million tests in the U.S. per month."  https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2020/04/15/abbott-labs-rolling-out-coronavirus-antibody-tests/#52da28e798d5

Given that there are many companies working on this, I would hope that it won't be long before us "nobodies" will have access to a test.  How many are working on this?  According to this (https://time.com/5819737/covid-19-blood-tests/ the number is 70,  but surely they won't all pan out.

[Hoodat]

I wish I had half of the patience you do, CL.

For @Cyber Liberty

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Step by step, WWII veteran Tom Moore set out to raise money for British health workers by walking 100 laps in his garden by his 100th birthday at the end of April. His family thought he might collect $1,250. Donors have pledged $10 million so far.

https://apnews.com/9dcf983ffc52625a6d01e0d7338001f6

[Formerly Once-Ler]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5ACME0ZNaY

Todays press conference...already an hour in but you can slide back.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

It starts with a video clip from GM promising 30k ventilators by Aug.  If there is a second wave we should be in good shape.

[Cyber Liberty]

It starts with a video clip from GM promising 30k ventilators by Aug.  If there is a second wave we should be in good shape.

I liked the video GM made of changing an assembly floor over to a facility to assemble them.  I just like time-lapse videos...I've been recording sunsets that way from my upper deck.

[Hoodat]

With the whole nation under virtual lock down, why are we seeing 30,000 new cases each day?  Ten thousand new cases today in New York alone.  How could this be happening with all the draconian state-imposed regulations in place?

[Hoodat]

I liked the video GM made of changing an assembly floor over to a facility to assemble them.  I just like time-lapse videos...I've been recording sunsets that way from my upper deck.

You might like this one:

[musiclady]

With the whole nation under virtual lock down, why are we seeing 30,000 new cases each day?  Ten thousand new cases today in New York alone.  How could this be happening with all the draconian state-imposed regulations in place?

It was seeded before the measures were put in place.

And some Governors were irresponsible and let it spread badly before they took those measures.  (Mayor DiBlasio in NYC was particularly irresponsible).

Plus, the numbers lag behind the actual contamination by the virus so we are seeing a snapshot of the past with the present numbers.  If there weren't restrictions, the numbers would be worse.

[Cyber Liberty]

You might like this one:

I remember that one.  Yes, I liked that a lot!

[Smokin Joe]

Step by step, WWII veteran Tom Moore set out to raise money for British health workers by walking 100 laps in his garden by his 100th birthday at the end of April. His family thought he might collect $1,250. Donors have pledged $10 million so far.

https://apnews.com/9dcf983ffc52625a6d01e0d7338001f6

Now, that's neat!

[Cyber Liberty]

It was seeded before the measures were put in place.

And some Governors were irresponsible and let it spread badly before they took those measures.  (Mayor DiBlasio in NYC was particularly irresponsible).

Plus, the numbers lag behind the actual contamination by the virus so we are seeing a snapshot of the past with the present numbers.  If there weren't restrictions, the numbers would be worse.

That's the problem when all the indicators are "lagging."  I like how Cuomo instantly deemed 4,000 deaths "COVID-19" overnight.  There is no proof any of them even had it.  But, this is ankle-biting on my part, there is no doubt when it's over there will be a lot of dead loved ones.  There's no sugar-coating that.

[Cyber Liberty]

Now, that's neat!

I agree.  People can do great things, given the chance.

[musiclady]

That's the problem when all the indicators are "lagging."  I like how Cuomo instantly deemed 4,000 deaths "COVID-19" overnight.  There is no proof any of them even had it.  But, this is ankle-biting on my part, there is no doubt when it's over there will be a lot of dead loved ones.  There's no sugar-coating that.

Exactly.  Which is why, IMO, the fuss over a dishonest politician's padding the numbers (if it is proven that he has), should not harden us to the reality that people are dying a horrible death from this all over the country.

Yesterday there were 50 deaths in Ohio, and no one here is lying about anything. They have been upfront about everything from Day 1.

I think I'm more of a 'big picture' person than some, so when I find out a Leftist is trying to take advantage of people because of this very real crisis, I blame the leftist, and not the people who are trying (and succeeding) in doing the right thing to protect the people of their states, counties and cities..... especially those on the front line of this battle.

Cuomo and DiBlasio are wretched human beings, but if you know anything about what is really going on in NYC, you know it is absolutely horrendous.

[bigheadfred]

FWIW, I have had Covid 3 times.

Once pounded right beyween the eyes.

Once shoved down my throat.

And once shoved up my ass.

On the bright side, think of the millions who won't have to suffer through that. This. Whatever.

https://www.worldometers.info/abortions/

[Smokin Joe]

Exactly.  Which is why, IMO, the fuss over a dishonest politician's padding the numbers (if it is proven that he has), should not harden us to the reality that people are dying a horrible death from this all over the country.

Yesterday there were 50 deaths in Ohio, and no one here is lying about anything. They have been upfront about everything from Day 1.

I think I'm more of a 'big picture' person than some, so when I find out a Leftist is trying to take advantage of people because of this very real crisis, I blame the leftist, and not the people who are trying (and succeeding) in doing the right thing to protect the people of their states, counties and cities..... especially those on the front line of this battle.

Cuomo and DiBlasio are wretched human beings, but if you know anything about what is really going on in NYC, you know it is absolutely horrendous.

M'am, I was in NYC briefly in '74, and frankly, I saw little there that would entice me to return.
Once I was over the novelty of it all, I found the place horrendous all on its own. YMMV.

[Smokin Joe]

FWIW, I have had Covid 3 times.

Once pounded right beyween the eyes.

Once shoved down my throat.

And once shoved up my ass.

On the bright side, think of the millions who won't have to suffer through that. This. Whatever.

https://www.worldometers.info/abortions/

Now, doggone it, Fred, there you go looking at the real big picture.
(The one that is being ignored while people are zoomed in on this outbreak).

[DB]

Some days I get up and just don't feel like putting in the effort required.  I started the day finding out two of our best Members left.

May I ask who left?

[Smokin Joe]

May I ask who left?

roamer_1 and thackney.

[Cyber Liberty]

M'am, I was in NYC briefly in '74, and frankly, I saw little there that would entice me to return.
Once I was over the novelty of it all, I found the place horrendous all on its own. YMMV.

I'm a country boy myself, and the only big city I liked was Chicago, inside The Loop and Old Town.  That part of the city had soul.  Big Cities make me very uncomfortable.  The worst?  Downtown Dallas.  You could stand on a street and never see the sun more than an hour or so every day.  What a shit-pit.

[Smokin Joe]

I'm a country boy myself, and the only big city I liked was Chicago, inside The Loop and Old Town.  That part of the city had soul.  Big Cities make me very uncomfortable.  The worst?  Downtown Dallas.  You could stand on a street and never see the sun more than an hour or so every day.  What a shit-pit.

When I was a kid we went on numerous field trips to Washington, D.C., Smithsonian, art galleries, Air and Space, the monuments, etc. Now, I'd take pause at walking there in broad daylight (always a risk more than two blocks from the National Mall).

It's funny, from the water, to the Mountains, from the desert to the prairie, I can settle in and be 'in tune' in five minutes. Not so in any city.

[musiclady]

M'am, I was in NYC briefly in '74, and frankly, I saw little there that would entice me to return.
Once I was over the novelty of it all, I found the place horrendous all on its own. YMMV.

Love to go there- Broadway shows, jazz clubs, Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island......

But I wouldn’t live there if my life depended on it.

Nonetheless, the very real suffering going on there now (ask Franklin Graham) is something that should deeply disturb all of us.

[Smokin Joe]

Love to go there- Broadway shows, jazz clubs, Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island......

But I wouldn’t live there if my life depended on it.

Nonetheless, the very real suffering going on there now (ask Franklin Graham) is something that should deeply disturb all of us.

If I let it, it would. But I'm an old First Responder. You see the pain, but you can't let it eat your lunch. You have to make decisions, sometimes on which hang life and death, and do that dispassionately, quickly, accurately, and retain the ability to function. Yes, there are a lot of people hurting out there, not just from COVID-19, but from a host of other things, not the least of which is being out of work with no light at the end of that tunnel.
There's plenty of misery to go around in the world, this is just another flavor, but because it is an unknown, because we don't know how far, how many, how long, it is scarier than the run of the mill myocardial infarction, unless of course, you can't get any medical help because everyone is tangled up over COVID-19.

It's a shame the lovely drapes in the front room are ruined, but let's focus on the whole house fire, please.

[musiclady]

roamer_1 and thackney.

Why did thackney leave??

[musiclady]

If I let it, it would. But I'm an old First Responder. You see the pain, but you can't let it eat your lunch. You have to make decisions, sometimes on which hang life and death, and do that dispassionately, quickly, accurately, and retain the ability to function. Yes, there are a lot of people hurting out there, not just from COVID-19, but from a host of other things, not the least of which is being out of work with no light at the end of that tunnel.
There's plenty of misery to go around in the world, this is just another flavor, but because it is an unknown, because we don't know how far, how many, how long, it is scarier than the run of the mill myocardial infarction, unless of course, you can't get any medical help because everyone is tangled up over COVID-19.

It's a shame the lovely drapes in the front room are ruined, but let's focus on the whole house fire, please.

Your error is in thinking that concern over Covid means lack of concern over other issues.

It’s been apparent from the beginning.

[Cyber Liberty]

Why did thackney leave??

I.  Don't.  Know.

[Smokin Joe]

Your error is in thinking that concern over Covid means lack of concern over other issues.

It’s been apparent from the beginning.

See? we're related.
Your error is in thinking that concern over other issues means a lack of concern over COVID.
 

[Fishrrman]

skeeter posted in 1019 above:
"Clearly our side lacks the focus of the left/Islamists/Commies. To them their ideological doctrine is their only reason for living, while the rest of us have lives to live and consider the political fight either a necessary evil or an afterthought
I'm afraid this will pan out much like the second world war did - they will push until we are forced to respond, at which time dislodging them will be far more costly and painful than it would have been had we offered meaningful opposition from the start. But these people need to be opposed ALL of the time which requires a level of cynicism we do not naturally possess."

Once again, for your consideration, Fishrrman's "American Timeline":
2019: USA -- United States of America
2027: USSA -- United Socialist States of America
2035: USSSA -- United Soviet Socialist States of America
2042:  ?????

[libertybele]

Not good...why did roamer_1 leave??  So sad, I really enjoyed conversations with him.  Hopefully, he'll be back. 

[musiclady]

See? we're related.
Your error is in thinking that concern over other issues means a lack of concern over COVID.
 

Touché. 

[Smokin Joe]

Touché. 

Maybe we can find some balance, sister?

[Cyber Liberty]

Touché. 

I've always known, never get into an argument with @Smokin Joe or @musiclady.   

[TomSea]

Who was saying we had more auto deaths a day, how'd that go, 16?? Now, were nearing 29,000.  It'd be funny if it weren't so sad.

[TomSea]

skeeter posted in 1019 above:
"Clearly our side lacks the focus of the left/Islamists/Commies. To them their ideological doctrine is their only reason for living, while the rest of us have lives to live and consider the political fight either a necessary evil or an afterthought
I'm afraid this will pan out much like the second world war did - they will push until we are forced to respond, at which time dislodging them will be far more costly and painful than it would have been had we offered meaningful opposition from the start. But these people need to be opposed ALL of the time which requires a level of cynicism we do not naturally possess."

Once again, for your consideration, Fishrrman's "American Timeline":
2019: USA -- United States of America
2027: USSA -- United Socialist States of America
2035: USSSA -- United Soviet Socialist States of America
2042:  ?????

Great post, straight info, not crying, not bullying.

[musiclady]

I've always known, never get into an argument with @Smokin Joe or @musiclady.   

 

[musiclady]

Maybe we can find some balance, sister?

I’ve got it.

Now it’s your turn.

[Hoodat]

It was seeded before the measures were put in place.

Measures were put into place weeks ago, long past the period where symptoms begin to show.

And some Governors were irresponsible and let it spread badly before they took those measures.  (Mayor DiBlasio in NYC was particularly irresponsible).

I live in Georgia.  SIP orders began March 23.  Twenty-one days later, new cases continue to pop up.

If there weren't restrictions, the numbers would be worse.

The difference would be minimal, and certainly not worth the huge economic suffering that has been poured out upon the nation.

[bigheadfred]

Wondering if @corbe wants to run a poll on a vaccine?

Would you take it if it becomes available?

[skeeter]

skeeter posted in 1019 above:
"Clearly our side lacks the focus of the left/Islamists/Commies. To them their ideological doctrine is their only reason for living, while the rest of us have lives to live and consider the political fight either a necessary evil or an afterthought
I'm afraid this will pan out much like the second world war did - they will push until we are forced to respond, at which time dislodging them will be far more costly and painful than it would have been had we offered meaningful opposition from the start. But these people need to be opposed ALL of the time which requires a level of cynicism we do not naturally possess."

Once again, for your consideration, Fishrrman's "American Timeline":
2019: USA -- United States of America
2027: USSA -- United Socialist States of America
2035: USSSA -- United Soviet Socialist States of America
2042:  ?????

Man I hope not. For my progeny’s sake.

[mystery-ak]

Why did thackney leave??

@musiclady

He told me he's taking a break...so I expect him to return..

[mystery-ak]

Not good...why did roamer_1 leave??  So sad, I really enjoyed conversations with him.  Hopefully, he'll be back. 

@libertybele I have hope he will return.... @roamer_1

[Idiot]

roamer_1 and thackney.

Oh my!  Thackney was one of my favorite posters...  bummer.

[musiclady]

Oh my!  Thackney was one of my favorite posters...  bummer.

They’re both great posters.

They both need to come back.

[libertybele]

They’re both great posters.

They both need to come back.

 

[TomSea]

Yeah, I sure miss hearing "Trumpy the Clown", adds so much to discourse.

Related to topic, yelling someone about what they post, calling it alarmist, funny how folks aren't taking to the censorship of that.

[Idiot]

Yeah, I sure miss hearing "Trumpy the Clown", adds so much to discourse.

Related to topic, yelling someone about what they post, calling it alarmist, funny how folks aren't taking to the censorship of that.

The high road……   

[Fishrrman]

Previously, I had posted from my self-created spreadsheet that tracks the number of daily increases in the virus here in CT (statewide) and in SW CT (Fairfield County).

Here's the latest edition, and it doesn't look very good.


You'll note that from 4/9 to 4/12, the number of new cases here in FF County were declining each day -- what could be expected if we were "past the peak".

But then... look at what's happened over the past few days (4/13 - 4/15). The numbers "jumped right back up again", with a vengeance.

Re-open too soon here in Connecticut, and there's definitely gonna be "a second wave".

[Hoodat]

Connecticut just passed Louisiana in deaths per million.

[Sighlass]

Yeah, I sure miss hearing "Trumpy the Clown", adds so much to discourse.

Yeah, he could of mixed it up with buffoon or comedian
or
jester
joker
prankster
harlequin
humorist
jokester
wisecracker
buffo
fool
kidder
zany
card
dolt
joculator
pierrot
punchinello
cut-up
droll
farceur
Funster
Gagman
Wag
gagster
jokesmith
madcap
mountebank
mummer
Picador
quipster
or even Ribald. /s

[Smokin Joe]

Who was saying we had more auto deaths a day, how'd that go, 16?? Now, were nearing 29,000.  It'd be funny if it weren't so sad.

What is this? A contest?
 
Sheesh!

[Smokin Joe]

Yeah, I sure miss hearing "Trumpy the Clown", adds so much to discourse.

Related to topic, yelling someone about what they post, calling it alarmist, funny how folks aren't taking to the censorship of that.

Put a sock in it, will ya?

[musiclady]

Previously, I had posted from my self-created spreadsheet that tracks the number of daily increases in the virus here in CT (statewide) and in SW CT (Fairfield County).

Here's the latest edition, and it doesn't look very good.


You'll note that from 4/9 to 4/12, the number of new cases here in FF County were declining each day -- what could be expected if we were "past the peak".

But then... look at what's happened over the past few days (4/13 - 4/15). The numbers "jumped right back up again", with a vengeance.

Re-open too soon here in Connecticut, and there's definitely gonna be "a second wave".

That's the risk.   It's going to be a delicate balance as to whether to open things back up and risk great loss of life or keep things closed and do more damage to the economy.

We need to be praying for our leaders to have great wisdom to knowing what to do to get things moving again.  I'm thinking that it needs to be state by state because the situations in different states are so very different from each other.

Divine guidance is needed BIG time....

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Just in case anybody was wondering, my fatness has peaked and now I need to flatten the curves.

[DB]

roamer_1 and thackney.

@Smokin Joe

Looking back on @thackney 's posts I didn't see any indication something was up. Is he okay?

[Smokin Joe]

@Smokin Joe

Looking back on @thackney 's posts I didn't see any indication something was up. Is he okay?

I don't know. Might just be burnout.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/nyregion/coronavirus-nj-andover-nursing-home-deaths.html

After Anonymous Tip, 17 Bodies Found at Nursing Home Hit by Virus

The call for body bags came late Saturday.

By Monday, the police in a small New Jersey town had gotten an anonymous tip about a body being stored in a shed outside one of the state’s largest nursing homes.

When the police arrived, the corpse had been removed from the shed, but they discovered 17 bodies piled inside the nursing home in a small morgue intended to hold no more than four people.

“They were just overwhelmed by the amount of people who were expiring,” said Eric C. Danielson, the police chief in Andover, a small township in Sussex County, the state’s northernmost county.

The 17 were among 68 recent deaths linked to the long-term care facility, Andover Subacute and Rehabilitation Center I and II, including two nurses, officials said. Of those who died, 26 people had tested positive for the virus.

more at link

[Hoodat]

Sixty-eight recent deaths, but only 26 were infected with SARS-2?  I would guess they have much bigger problems at that nursing home.

[musiclady]

Sixty-eight recent deaths, but only 26 were infected with SARS-2?  I would guess they have much bigger problems at that nursing home.

Perhaps they didn't test all of them.  The shortage of testing is a big problem in determining how widespread this disease actually is.  As has been said before, it will be a while before any conclusions can be drawn as to why people have died.

[Smokin Joe]

Perhaps they didn't test all of them.  The shortage of testing is a big problem in determining how widespread this disease actually is.  As has been said before, it will be a while before any conclusions can be drawn as to why people have died.

If they were stacked 17 deep in a morgue designed for 4, someone wasn't doing something right, even if that something was just calling for help.

[catfish1957]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/15/nyregion/coronavirus-nj-andover-nursing-home-deaths.html

After Anonymous Tip, 17 Bodies Found at Nursing Home Hit by Virus
more at link

17 from an anonymous tip?  I'll venture there will be some firings and jail time to come.

[Gefn]

I thought these might add some much needed laughter,
Maybe someone can repost them correctly.

@Cyber Liberty one of them is our favorite kitty meme lord smudge! ❤️

[sneakypete]

17 from an anonymous tip?  I'll venture there will be some firings and jail time to come.

@catfish1957

We can only hope. It all depends on where the nursing home is,and who owns it.

OOPS! I now see it is in NJ,so what is going to happen is someone in middle-management is going to take the hit,and it will be drawn out in the courts until everybody forgets about it. Then "he" will pay a fine and promise to never do it again before being promoted and transferred to a different job.

At NO time will the names of the actual owners or those responsible be mentioned.

[txradioguy]

Just in case anybody was wondering, my fatness has peaked and now I need to flatten the curves.

You and me both!

[TomSea]

Put a sock in it, will ya?

@TomSea Enough of this bullshit. Quit abusing the posters and get a grip.

MOD4

[txradioguy]

Shove your vulgarisms where the sun don't shine. Okay?  Go play palsy with Music Lady, you sure as heck don't speak that way.  KMA to you. Another bully.

One more time, I'm gonna miss the intellectual prowess of one who adds so much to the foirum with "Trumpy the Crowd" (spit).

Your on ignore and who needs this.

Mr. Oh, 16 people a day, as many as die in car accidents are dying from the corona.

First...switch to decaf...better for you while we endure this forced quarantine.

Second...YOU of all people calling anyone a bully and carping about mean things that people say is a place you need to avoid given your well documented posts insinuating violence and your own possessive aggressive forms of bullying on here.

@Smokin Joe is about the farthest thing from a bully we've got on this forum.

[txradioguy]

The high road……   

Yeah Tom clearly missed the exit for that path.

[sneakypete]

Mr. Oh, 16 people a day, as many as die in car accidents are dying from the corona.

@TomSea

You may not like a truth,but that doesn't make it an untruth. Chances are MORE than 16 people a day die in car accidents. Frankly,I'd be surprised if that true number wasn't in the triple digits.

Also,dead is dead. Nobody is any deader from an infection than someone dead from a car accident.

[txradioguy]

That's the problem when all the indicators are "lagging."  I like how Cuomo instantly deemed 4,000 deaths "COVID-19" overnight.  There is no proof any of them even had it.  But, this is ankle-biting on my part, there is no doubt when it's over there will be a lot of dead loved ones.  There's no sugar-coating that.

@Cyber Liberty expect to see NY and other states mortality rates allegedly related to the Chinese Virus increase because of the wording in the new CARES Act.  It's giving hospitals somewhere close to a 20% increase in funds from Medicare if they classify their patients as having “a principal or secondary diagnosis of COVID-19.”

[TomSea]

Go ahead and insult, at least, I'm not doing the original scam of trying to censor others and being a cry baby if my insults got deleted, (SPIT).;. but apparently some people who can't debate the issues but only mock others would cry censoring, when they've tried it plenty to begin with, hypocrites.

Yet, they have to cry all about censorship themselves and hurt the forum with their lies, that's not what it is about. What can you expect from folks that can't put any kind of debate together because they don't have one.

And that's 4 years waiting that with the remark above. So, I'll ignore  you too.

[txradioguy]

Go ahead and insult, at least, I'm not doing the original scam of trying to censor others and being a cry baby if my insults got deleted, (SPIT).;. but apparently some people who can't debate the issues but only mock others would cry censoring, when they've tried it plenty to begin with, hypocrites.

Yet, they have to cry all about censorship themselves and hurt the forum with their lies, that's not what it is about. What can you expect from folks that can't put any kind of debate together because they don't have one.

And that's 4 years waiting that with the remark above. So, I'll ignore  you too.

Again your complaints about insults and lies is gonna fall on deaf ears because of your posting history here.

What is your debate you're trying to form exactly here Tom?  Cause I'm not seeing any.

Pot meet kettle.

Right now you're just throwing a tantrum because everyone doesn't post the same way and the same things that you do...and everyone here doesn't believe in posting nothing but sweetness and light about the President.

Diversity of thought and opinion is a Conservative/Republican trait.

Uniformity...marching in lockstep and...group think and a hive mentality are hallmarks of the left.

Just sayin...

[sneakypete]

@Cyber Liberty expect to see NY and other states mortality rates allegedly related to the Chinese Virus increase because of the wording in the new CARES Act.  It's giving hospitals somewhere close to a 20% increase in funds from Medicare if they classify their patients as having “a principal or secondary diagnosis of COVID-19.”

@txradioguy

That is a "sure thing" on the same scale as the sun rising tomorrow morning.

You ALWAYS get more of what you are willing to pay for.

[txradioguy]

@txradioguy

That is a "sure thing" on the same scale as the sun rising tomorrow morning.

You ALWAYS get more of what you are willing to pay for.

@sneakypete or in this case what the Federal Government is willing to give you if you play the game the way they tell you to.

[sneakypete]

Uniformity...marching in lockstep and...group think and a hive mentality are hallmarks of the left.

@txradioguy

It's also where the alleged "far right" and the far left meet and swap spit. Get out on the extremes,and it's damn hard to tell them apart.

[TomSea]

@TomSea

You may not like a truth,but that doesn't make it an untruth. Chances are MORE than 16 people a day die in car accidents. Frankly,I'd be surprised if that true number wasn't in the triple digits.

Also,dead is dead. Nobody is any deader from an infection than someone dead from a car accident.

And that's probably true, whatever the figure, the USA's Coronvirus went from a century mark, 100 deaths only week ago to now being at 28,640. Yet, some complain about some link with the 100 century mark figure was two days old or something. Flimsy arguments, not even worth the time.  They are debating links.

So, there is no way we have had 25,000 deaths from car accidents in the mean time.

Besides,  a great concern in turn, is of course, the burden in the health system.  Period, beds, so on. Stories go both ways.

Anyway, I thank you @sneakypete

[mystery-ak]

Just in case anybody was wondering, my fatness has peaked and now I need to flatten the curves.

lol 

[txradioguy]

@txradioguy

It's also where the alleged "far right" and the far left meet and swap spit. Get out on the extremes,and it's damn hard to tell them apart.

Exactly!  I've believed the same thing for years. Go far enough either way and you'll find people meeting in the middle.

[sneakypete]

lol 

@Once-Ler @mystery-ak

I like that Once-Ler is still so child-like he thinks it has peaked.

Next step is "adjusting" the scale and telling yourself you are losing weight.

Don't ask me how I know this.

[Hoodat]

You may not like a truth,but that doesn't make it an untruth. Chances are MORE than 16 people a day die in car accidents. Frankly,I'd be surprised if that true number wasn't in the triple digits.

Also,dead is dead. Nobody is any deader from an infection than someone dead from a car accident.

Car accidents are actually down, thanks to our State government shutdown of the private sector economy.  Think of all the lives that we could save if we keep people locked up in their homes for the next five years.

[sneakypete]

Car accidents are actually down, thanks to our State government shutdown of the private sector economy.  Think of all the lives that we could save if we keep people locked up in their homes for the next five years.

@Hoodat

Un,huh. Do the words "mass murder/suicide" ring any bells?

[Smokin Joe]

Car accidents are actually down, thanks to our State government shutdown of the private sector economy.  Think of all the lives that we could save if we keep people locked up in their homes for the next five years.

Nah. Five years? they'd just get fat and fall down the stairs, and homicides would spike.

[Idiot]

Trump mentioned yesterday in his news conference that he has to weigh deaths from the virus and deaths from being quarantined inside.  Mental health issues, suicides, etc.  To be honest I hadn't really thought of that.  I did hear that alcohol use is up 50% since this has started.  I can't imagine the spousal abuse, child abuse, drug abuse, etc that is or will be happening.  This ship needs turned around NOW.  We need to WORK!  I used to have an office down the hall from our local alcohol/drug abuse counseling center.  They aren't even working currently, so help for clients is probably nonexistent. I can't imagine how many who were in recovery are now abusers again.....  This is going to be horrible.....

[Hoodat]

Trump mentioned yesterday in his news conference that he has to weigh deaths from the virus and deaths from being quarantined inside.  Mental health issues, suicides, etc.  To be honest I hadn't really thought of that.  I did hear that alcohol use is up 50% since this has started.  I can't imagine the spousal abuse, child abuse, drug abuse, etc that is or will be happening.  This ship needs turned around NOW.  We need to WORK!  I used to have an office down the hall from our local alcohol/drug abuse counseling center.  They aren't even working currently, so help for clients is probably nonexistent. I can't imagine how many who were in recovery are now abusers again.....  This is going to be horrible.....

I don't believe 'one-size-fits-all' took that into account.

[jmyrlefuller]

This board has a notorious habit of running off its members. It's ridiculous that one of the board's moderators is engaging in doing the same.

[corbe]

   And now for something completely different.

[skeeter]

Trump mentioned yesterday in his news conference that he has to weigh deaths from the virus and deaths from being quarantined inside.  Mental health issues, suicides, etc.  To be honest I hadn't really thought of that.  I did hear that alcohol use is up 50% since this has started.  I can't imagine the spousal abuse, child abuse, drug abuse, etc that is or will be happening.  This ship needs turned around NOW.  We need to WORK!  I used to have an office down the hall from our local alcohol/drug abuse counseling center.  They aren't even working currently, so help for clients is probably nonexistent. I can't imagine how many who were in recovery are now abusers again.....  This is going to be horrible.....

We had to burn the village to save it.

[Smokin Joe]

Go ahead and insult, at least, I'm not doing the original scam of trying to censor others and being a cry baby if my insults got deleted, (SPIT).;. but apparently some people who can't debate the issues but only mock others would cry censoring, when they've tried it plenty to begin with, hypocrites.

Yet, they have to cry all about censorship themselves and hurt the forum with their lies, that's not what it is about. What can you expect from folks that can't put any kind of debate together because they don't have one.

And that's 4 years waiting that with the remark above. So, I'll ignore  you too.

No, you have censored others, misrepresented their statements, and even shouted them down over abbreviations as common on the web as "http". You don't debate, but have bullied posters you don't agree with and often twist what they have said to disagree. You have hidden behind what power you have even as you have lied about what they have said. Go ahead, spit away. You've been frothing at the keyboard for days.

[Cyber Liberty]

I don't believe 'one-size-fits-all' took that into account.

"One size fits all" never works, neither with Leotards nor regulations.

[Hoodat]

This board has a notorious habit of running off its members. It's ridiculous that one of the board's moderators is engaging in doing the same.

Groupthink über alles.

[Smokin Joe]

Groupthink über alles.

NFW d00d!

[corbe]

This board has a notorious habit of running off its members. It's ridiculous that one of the board's moderators is engaging in doing the same.

   I respectfully disagree with that thought @jmyrlefuller
   Sure there are members here that decide for whatever reason that they have had enough of whatever brought them here in the first place, it's called Spiritual Growth. 
   I for one give the Owner, her Admins and her Mods credit for keeping this place going in spite of the rather diverse thoughts and emotions within us all. 

   PS.  I'm not kissing butt for a Mod Job, I truly believe this.

[mystery-ak]

This board has a notorious habit of running off its members. It's ridiculous that one of the board's moderators is engaging in doing the same.

@jmyrlefuller

Tom is no longer a Cat Mod...and is on a TO

[Idiot]

@jmyrlefuller

Tom is no longer a Cat Mod...and is on a TO

Thank you. 

[Hoodat]

Here is a breakdown of Georgia SARS-2 deaths:


Gender:
Male   - 57.2%
Female - 42.1%

Underlying Conditions:
Yes    - 70.5%
No     -  3.4%
Unk    - 26.1%


Mean age - 72.3
Standard Deviation - 14.4

Percentage under Age 50 - 7.5%

[Smokin Joe]

ND SARS-CoV-2 deaths
Age_Group   Total_Cases   Recovered   Deaths
50-59               45               18                 1
60-69               56               31                 1
70-79               24               10                 4
80+                  12                 2                 3

(no deaths under 50)
All had underlying medical conditions.

[musiclady]

   I respectfully disagree with that thought @jmyrlefuller
   Sure there are members here that decide for whatever reason that they have had enough of whatever brought them here in the first place, it's called Spiritual Growth. 
   I for one give the Owner, her Admins and her Mods credit for keeping this place going in spite of the rather diverse thoughts and emotions within us all. 

   PS.  I'm not kissing butt for a Mod Job, I truly believe this.

I agree.

Plus some folks just need some time off, and I can understand that particularly now since it's easy to spend a whole lotta time here!

There are a handful of posters who do the "groupthink" thing, and mock and belittle people who dare to differ with them, but the owner and mods keep that in check.

I will say it again.......... this is the most open Conservative forum out there, and I'm sure it will remain that way.

[jmyrlefuller]

New York still on lockdown through... May 15. Yep.

What's another month??! 

No, I'm not OK.

[musiclady]

Thank you. 

He took a lot of ridicule before he lost his cool, IMO.  It wasn't just disagreement.  It was mockery of him as a person.  Maybe the people who couldn't tolerate what he was posting should just put him on Ignore, or stay off the COVID-19 information threads.....

The Ignore feature is one of the best things about this forum, at least for me.  Not only does it save me from seeing the snarky, nasty things a person or two says about me, but it also saves THEM from my razor sharp wit and intellectual superiority in response to their insults. 

Other folks I put there temporarily when a subject (like a global pandemic) makes them temporarily lose their minds.  They'll be back off when they settle down, but for now, it keeps me from having to see the bullying insecurity that certain subjects (like global pandemics) reveal.

[Idiot]

New York still on lockdown through... May 15. Yep.

What's another month??! 

No, I'm not OK.

I'm sorry to hear that...

[Smokin Joe]

New York still on lockdown through... May 15. Yep.

What's another month??! 

No, I'm not OK.

You up there?

[mystery-ak]

New York still on lockdown through... May 15. Yep.

What's another month??! 

No, I'm not OK.

Same here in Il...my military ID is about to expire and I can't get it renewed  it affects my health coverage which technically I won't have until my ID card is renewed...they told me not to worry..yeah right!

[Hoodat]

Same here in Il...my military ID is about to expire and I can't get it renewed  it affects my health coverage which technically I won't have until my ID card is renewed...they told me not to worry..yeah right!

Don't sweat it.  You can still go out and buy lottery tickets.

[musiclady]

New York still on lockdown through... May 15. Yep.

What's another month??! 

No, I'm not OK.

Understandably so.

[musiclady]

Same here in Il...my military ID is about to expire and I can't get it renewed  it affects my health coverage which technically I won't have until my ID card is renewed...they told me not to worry..yeah right!

They're not delaying the expiration dates or coming up with a different way to renew??

[Idiot]

He took a lot of ridicule before he lost his cool, IMO.  It wasn't just disagreement.  It was mockery of him as a person.  Maybe the people who couldn't tolerate what he was posting should just put him on Ignore, or stay off the COVID-19 information threads.....

The Ignore feature is one of the best things about this forum, at least for me.  Not only does it save me from seeing the snarky, nasty things a person or two says about me, but it also saves THEM from my razor sharp wit and intellectual superiority in response to their insults. 

Other folks I put there temporarily when a subject (like a global pandemic) makes them temporarily lose their minds.  They'll be back off when they settle down, but for now, it keeps me from having to see the bullying insecurity that certain subjects (like global pandemics) reveal.

We all need to step away for a while at some point.  I look at it like...I visited my brother and sister in law in Hungary many, many years ago.  We were cooped up together in a dorm room for 3 weeks, as we traveled the country seeing sights etc.  They taught in a local university there.  About week 2 I was about to kill both of them...lol.  Sometimes there is too much togetherness....

[mystery-ak]

They're not delaying the expiration dates or coming up with a different way to renew??

No...I asked them to do that...this is the military, everything by the books...

They told me if I need care and billed they will call the provider and inform them to re-bill......see where this is going..I will spend weeks getting the bills paid by TRICARE 

I just can't get sick..lol

[musiclady]

We all need to step away for a while at some point.  I look at it like...I visited my brother and sister in law in Hungary many, many years ago.  We were cooped up together in a dorm room for 3 weeks, as we traveled the country seeing sights etc.  They taught in a local university there.  About week 2 I was about to kill both of them...lol.  Sometimes there is too much togetherness....

Indeed!  Step away and come back a nicer person! 

[musiclady]

No...I asked them to do that...this is the military, everything by the books...

They told me if I need care and billed they will call the provider and inform them to re-bill......see where this is going..I will spend weeks getting the bills paid by TRICARE 

I just can't get sick..lol

Well, look at it this way..... if you never go anywhere, you won’t even catch a cold! 

[Cyber Liberty]

New York still on lockdown through... May 15. Yep.

What's another month??! 

No, I'm not OK.

 

I'm sorry to hear that....

[Idiot]

Indeed!  Step away and come back a nicer person! 

You first!

[musiclady]

You first!

 

[Bigun]

@jmyrlefuller

Tom is no longer a Cat Mod...and is on a TO

 

[musiclady]

Ohio businesses will begin coming back with safety guidelines on MAY 1!!!

Yesss!!!

[libertybele]

New York still on lockdown through... May 15. Yep.

What's another month??! 

No, I'm not OK.

I don't want to hear that ... you ARE OK!!! You may not be ok with the lock down (none of us are) but you WILL get through this with the rest of us in here.  Keep posting and keep venting...

P.S.  Don't forget to stop by the member's lounge .... it's a break from the ordinary in here ...

[libertybele]

@jmyrlefuller

Tom is no longer a Cat Mod...and is on a TO

Definitely glad to hear that decision.   

[Bigun]

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1

[libertybele]

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1

Thanks @Bigun !!!! 

[Hoodat]

Gov. Evers to extend Wisconsin's Safer at Home Order

NBC 26 Staff   |   Posted at 12:56 PM, Apr 16, 2020   |   Updated 2:03 PM, Apr 16, 2020

MADISON (NBC 26) -- Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers' "Safer at Home" order will be extended to May 26, according to a statement from the governor's office.

In a statement issued Thursday, the governor's office said Gov. Tony Evers directed Wisconsin Department of Health Services (DHS) Secretary-designee Andrea Palm to extend the Safer at Home order from April 24, 2020 to 8 a.m. Tuesday, May 26, 2020, or until a superseding order is issued.

https://www.nbc26.com/news/coronavirus/gov-evers-to-extend-wisconsins-safer-at-home-order


May 26.  That's almost six weeks from now.  Looks like Dem governors are beginning to line up to drag this out.

[musiclady]

Out of 8414 cases of Covid 19 in Ohio 1729 are healthcare workers.

Just to reiterate, one of the main reasons for us to restrict OUR activity is to protect THEIR LIVES!

It is not out of fear, but out of love that we do what we are doing.

If we didn’t these numbers would be far worse!

Keep it up for them.

[mountaineer]

I have to ask you, @musiclady  - what is going on with DeWine's sign language interpreter? What a performance. 

[Hoodat]

Governor Gretchen Whitmer: Michigan Protesters ‘Endangering People’s Lives’

KYLE OLSEN   |   15 APRIL 2020

Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer lashed out at the freedom protesters who surrounded the capitol on Wednesday, telling reporters they were “endangering people’s lives.”

Breitbart News reported live from the scene, which featured hundreds of people on the capitol lawn and thousands more in their cars, honking horns, blasting patriotic music, and waving American flags.

Whitmer, whom Joe Biden has said is on his short list for the vice presidential nomination, denounced the protesters, who were calling on her to rescind the onerous restrictions she had placed on the state’s citizens and let them go back to work.

“We know that this demonstration is going to come at a cost to people’s health,” Whitmer told reporters.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/15/governor-gretchen-whitmer-michigan-protesters-endangering-peoples-lives/


Whitler doubles down on fascism.

[Gefn]

@jmyrlefuller

Tom is no longer a Cat Mod...and is on a TO

Everyone is yelling at each other now and on the end of their rope with others. I’m hearing neighbors yelling and it’s sad. I hope Tom can come back, he was a good mod. We’re all human right now and it’s hard.

“We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately.”

[Hoodat]

I have to ask you, @musiclady  - what is going on with DeWine's sign language interpreter? What a performance. 

I was watching the sign interpreter during a NY news conference the other day.  After the oral speaker stepped away from the podium, another stepped forward to deliver the same message in Spanish.  But the sign interpreter just stood there and did nothing.  Clearly, this interpreter did not know how to sign in Spanish.  New York should have had a Spanish sign interpreter to fill in.  It's not fair.

[Cyber Liberty]

Governor Gretchen Whitmer: Michigan Protesters ‘Endangering People’s Lives’

KYLE OLSEN   |   15 APRIL 2020

Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer lashed out at the freedom protesters who surrounded the capitol on Wednesday, telling reporters they were “endangering people’s lives.”

Breitbart News reported live from the scene, which featured hundreds of people on the capitol lawn and thousands more in their cars, honking horns, blasting patriotic music, and waving American flags.

Whitmer, whom Joe Biden has said is on his short list for the vice presidential nomination, denounced the protesters, who were calling on her to rescind the onerous restrictions she had placed on the state’s citizens and let them go back to work.

“We know that this demonstration is going to come at a cost to people’s health,” Whitmer told reporters.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/15/governor-gretchen-whitmer-michigan-protesters-endangering-peoples-lives/


Whitler doubles down on fascism.

While the people on the lawn of the Capitol may have not been practicing "social distancing," the 10's of thousands of people in cars certainly were not, they were in cars.  Michigan State Police said there were 10,000 cars and trucks.

[Cyber Liberty]

I was watching the sign interpreter during a NY news conference the other day.  After the oral speaker stepped away from the podium, another stepped forward to deliver the same message in Spanish.  But the sign interpreter just stood there and did nothing.  Clearly, this interpreter did not know how to sign in Spanish.  New York should have had a Spanish sign interpreter to fill in.  It's not fair.

LOL!  Remember the Sign Language translator for O'Bastard in South Africa?   

[Hoodat]

While the people on the lawn of the Capitol may have not been practicing "social distancing," the 10's of thousands of people in cars certainly were not, they were in cars.  Michigan State Police said there were 10,000 cars and trucks.

WHitler went on to say this:

She went on to blame the protesters for further restrictions she may impose in the future.

“So the sad irony here is that the protest is that they don’t like being in this stay home order,” she said, “and they may have just created the need to lengthen it.”

Unbelievable.

[musiclady]

I have to ask you, @musiclady  - what is going on with DeWine's sign language interpreter? What a performance. 

She's a hoot, isn't she?? 

She's become one of the most popular people in the state!

[Cyber Liberty]

WHitler went on to say this:

Unbelievable.

Princess Leia, to her antagonizer in the first movie, "The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip though your fingers."  It's like that.

[musiclady]

WHitler went on to say this:

Unbelievable.

She's a stark raving mad tyrant who will use every opportunity to clamp down further on the 1st amendment.

I hate Michigan for much more than football.

[mountaineer]

LOL!  Remember the Sign Language translator for O'Bastard in South Africa?   

That's what Ohio Gov. DeWine's interpreter looks like - plus, she looks exactly like him. She did a gesture yesterday I could have sworn meant, "Get thee behind me, Satan," though I could be mistaken.

[sneakypete]

New York still on lockdown through... May 15. Yep.

What's another month??! 

No, I'm not OK.

@jmyrlefuller

I'm fine with them building a wall around it to prevent any of them from moving to retire down south.

[mountaineer]

Fine, lock down NYC. Lock down Philadelphia. Lock down Detroit. Lock down all of the big cities where things are bad.

 Just let the rest of the states' citizens get on with their lives.

[Hoodat]

‘We Will Not Comply’ — Virginia Protesters Demand State Reopens

Justin Caruso   |   April 16, 2020 3:30 PM ET


Protesters gathered Thursday in front of the Virginia State Capitol in Richmond demanding that the state be reopened.

Virginians protesting stay-at-home orders due to coronavirus are following the lead of other protesters around the country. This week, protests occurred outside state capitols in Michigan, Kentucky, and North Carolina.

In North Carolina Tuesday, protesters were threatened and arrested by police, while in Michigan, there were protests against Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s lockdown orders Wednesday.

Local news outlet WFXR reports that three groups, End The Lockdown VA, Virginians Against Excessive Quarantine, and ReOpen Virginia, were involved in the “Reopen Virginia” demonstration.

https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/16/photos-reopen-virginia-protesters-richmond-not-comply/

[Smokin Joe]

Governor Gretchen Whitmer: Michigan Protesters ‘Endangering People’s Lives’

KYLE OLSEN   |   15 APRIL 2020

Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer lashed out at the freedom protesters who surrounded the capitol on Wednesday, telling reporters they were “endangering people’s lives.”

Breitbart News reported live from the scene, which featured hundreds of people on the capitol lawn and thousands more in their cars, honking horns, blasting patriotic music, and waving American flags.

Whitmer, whom Joe Biden has said is on his short list for the vice presidential nomination, denounced the protesters, who were calling on her to rescind the onerous restrictions she had placed on the state’s citizens and let them go back to work.

“We know that this demonstration is going to come at a cost to people’s health,” Whitmer told reporters.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/15/governor-gretchen-whitmer-michigan-protesters-endangering-peoples-lives/


Whitler doubles down on fascism.

How about that? In a tremendous gaffe, a Democrat accidentally called those who disagreed with her "people".

Mark your calendar.

The folks most at risk were the protesters themselves.

[txradioguy]

Fine, lock down NYC. Lock down Philadelphia. Lock down Detroit. Lock down all of the big cities where things are bad.

 Just let the rest of the states' citizens get on with their lives.

LA and NY are talking about no large gatherings or sporting events until 2021

[Gemmarose]

Fine, lock down NYC. Lock down Philadelphia. Lock down Detroit. Lock down all of the big cities where things are bad.

 Just let the rest of the states' citizens get on with their lives.

That would be nice because as much as I love my family I want to see others I want to go to the office each day and deal with the traffic getting there.
I also am really missing my morning coffee from Starbucks and yes even the annoying coworkers who are not really working...

[Smokin Joe]

I was watching the sign interpreter during a NY news conference the other day.  After the oral speaker stepped away from the podium, another stepped forward to deliver the same message in Spanish.  But the sign interpreter just stood there and did nothing.  Clearly, this interpreter did not know how to sign in Spanish.  New York should have had a Spanish sign interpreter to fill in.  It's not fair.

(And here I thought that signing was all the same language. Hu gnu?)

[Cyber Liberty]

LA and NY are talking about no large gatherings or sporting events until 2021

And that is their prerogative.  Let Federalism reign!

[Smokin Joe]

@jmyrlefuller

I'm fine with them building a wall around it to prevent any of them from moving to retire down south.

Paging Mr. Plishkin, Mr. Plishkin, pick up the white courtesy phone...

[Cyber Liberty]

That would be nice because as much as I love my family I want to see others I want to go to the office each day and deal with the traffic getting there.
I also am really missing my morning coffee from Starbucks and yes even the annoying coworkers who are not really working...

That was me, during my final year at my old employer before I retired.  My skills became obsolete when they started moving my tasks to a R&D lab in China.  I spent a lot of time just reading shit on the web, as my tasks became fewer and fewer, until they eventually laid me off with a fat severance check.

[Gemmarose]

That was me, during my final year at my old employer before I retired.  My skills became obsolete when they started moving my tasks to a R&D lab in China.  I spent a lot of time just reading shit on the web, as my tasks became fewer and fewer, until they eventually laid me off with a fat severance check.

Such a hard life 

[Hoodat]

That was me, during my final year at my old employer before I retired.  My skills became obsolete when they started moving my tasks to a R&D lab in China.  I spent a lot of time just reading shit on the web, as my tasks became fewer and fewer, until they eventually laid me off with a fat severance check.

Do you want an automation job?

[Gemmarose]

Off topic but what is a Cat Mod?

[sneakypete]

Paging Mr. Plishkin, Mr. Plishkin, pick up the white courtesy phone...

@Smokin Joe

True confession time.I now have several distant cousins living here who managed to escape from NYC,and  they are never returning.  One or more of their grandparents moved there during or after WW-2 for the jobs or opportunities,and the first one decided to come visit distant relatives on his high school graduation trip. He has never been back home since arriving here. He called his parents and told them to mail his tools and clothing to him because he wasn't coming back. Since then,several of his cousins have followed in his footprints,and none of them will go back. Not even for a relatives funeral on a short trip.

I once asked the original cousin what about visiting his mother and father,and he told me "They know where I live,and if they want to see me they are welcome to come visit."

Since he has been here over 30 years now without ever once going back,it seems he is serious about this.

[Gemmarose]

And that is their prerogative.  Let Federalism reign!
[/quote

Yes I just hope they know what they are doing at the end of all of this.

[mountaineer]

Off topic but what is a Cat Mod?

Category moderator.

[Smokin Joe]

@Smokin Joe

True confession time.I now have several distant cousins living here who managed to escape from NYC,and  they are never returning.  One or more of their grandparents moved there during or after WW-2 for the jobs or opportunities,and the first one decided to come visit distant relatives on his high school graduation trip. He has never been back home since arriving here. He called his parents and told them to mail his tools and clothing to him because he wasn't coming back. Since then,several of his cousins have followed in his footprints,and none of them will go back. Not even for a relatives funeral on a short trip.

I once asked the original cousin what about visiting his mother and father,and he told me "They know where I live,and if they want to see me they are welcome to come visit."

Since he has been here over 30 years now without ever once going back,it seems he is serious about this.

Yeah, 30 years is an indicator...

I try to get back East to see my kin every few years, but somehow those intervals get longer than I want them to.
I love the  people, even the place I grew up (really little changed in practice), but the rules there are too much.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Wisconsin extends stay-at-home order through May 26, closes schools for rest of academic year
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/493177-wisconsin-extends-stay-at-home-through-may-26-closes

Wisconsin on Thursday extended its coronavirus stay-at-home order to be in effect until May 26 and closed its schools for the rest of the academic year.

Gov. Tony Evers (D) had previously indicated an extension to the order, originally effective through April 24, may be necessary as states and local governments across the country have dug in on their efforts to fight the coronavirus.

Evers is allowing some adjustments to the original order, including opening golf courses.

But conservatives have been pressuring Evers and other governors to reopen the government and end the stay-at-home order to allow the economy to function. Some have planned protests at the state Capitol on the original end date, a week from Friday.

more at link

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Alex Moe @AlexNBCNews
52 Senate Republicans have been asked by President Trump to serve on the Opening Up America Again Congressional Group. The lone GOP Senator NOT invited... @MittRomney
2:56 PM · Apr 16, 2020

[Smokin Joe]

Alex Moe @AlexNBCNews
52 Senate Republicans have been asked by President Trump to serve on the Opening Up America Again Congressional Group. The lone GOP Senator NOT invited... @MittRomney
2:56 PM · Apr 16, 2020

I think that was the right choice.

[Cyber Liberty]

Off topic but what is a Cat Mod?

[Smokin Joe]

I was thinking a bulldozer with chromed pipes, custom idler wheels, fancy tracks...

[Cyber Liberty]

Alex Moe @AlexNBCNews
52 Senate Republicans have been asked by President Trump to serve on the Opening Up America Again Congressional Group. The lone GOP Senator NOT invited... @MittRomney
2:56 PM · Apr 16, 2020

[AllThatJazzZ]

May I jump in and ask if any Briefers have been stricken with COVID-19?

[Cyber Liberty]

May I jump in and ask if any Briefers have been stricken with COVID-19?

A question so good I put it in big font.

[Hoodat]

May I jump in and ask if any Briefers have been stricken with COVID-19?

I might have had COVID-18½

[Smokin Joe]

May I jump in and ask if any Briefers have been stricken with COVID-19?

Not to my knowledge. I did have a few days I felt poorly, coughed up a bunch of junk and had a slight fever, and I got over it, but that was weeks ago. I took some erythromycin (500 mg/ day--which is a macrolide antibiotic, like Azithromycin) for a few days. That was back in February.

[Hoodat]

Off topic but what is a Cat Mod?

I think it's supposed to be 'Mod cat'.

[Gefn]

I think it's supposed to be 'Mod cat'.

Oh I love it! 

[Gemmarose]

I think it's supposed to be 'Mod cat'.

That is adorable.

[Hoodat]

04-16-2020 | 21:08 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	3.838 ↑	3.444 ↓
United States	1.661 ↓	11.786 ↓
China	23.307 ↑	1.057 ↓

US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 146,146
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 24.1 %  ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 75.7 %  ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Global (excluding US & China) recovery rate after 14 days - 60.0 %
Global (excluding US & China) recovery rate after 21 days - 116.2 %

(Last figure above 100% shows that people diagnosed within last 21 days (i.e. not counted in denominator) have already recovered (and are included in the numerator).  In other words, the rest of the world is showing more total recoveries today than they had total cases 21 days ago.

[AllThatJazzZ]

Not to my knowledge. I did have a few days I felt poorly, coughed up a bunch of junk and had a slight fever, and I got over it, but that was weeks ago. I took some erythromycin (500 mg/ day--which is a macrolide antibiotic, like Azithromycin) for a few days. That was back in February.

Glad you're better. Wonder if you had a mild version? In any event, if it comes back, be prepared.

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[Formerly Once-Ler]

https://twitter.com/SenatorLoeffler/status/1250836976237977601

Senator Kelly Loeffler @SenatorLoeffler
Thank you, @realDonaldTrump for appointing me to your task force on re-opening America safely in the wake of #COVID19.

With 22 million Americans filing for unemployment, it’s clear we must start working to revive our economy and get the American people back to work safely.
12:22 PM · Apr 16, 2020

Good luck with your next stock trades Sen. Loeffler

[Cyber Liberty]

https://twitter.com/SenatorLoeffler/status/1250836976237977601

Senator Kelly Loeffler @SenatorLoeffler
Thank you, @realDonaldTrump for appointing me to your task force on re-opening America safely in the wake of #COVID19.

With 22 million Americans filing for unemployment, it’s clear we must start working to revive our economy and get the American people back to work safely.
12:22 PM · Apr 16, 2020

Good luck with your next stock trades Sen. Loeffler

I think with the Blunt fiasco so close in the rear-view mirror, she's sensitive to the phrase "appearance of impropriety."

[Hoodat]

Good luck with your next stock trades Sen. Loeffler

Loeffler could fix it all by taking the earnings and donating them to a charitable endeavor, thanking her (unseen) investors for being savvy.

[truth_seeker]

The best plan is to reach Speaker of the House, then become a lobbyist.

Paul Ryan, R-Washington DC.

Set for life

Kind of a Mitt Romney kind of "Republican"

[Cyber Liberty]

The best plan is to reach Speaker of the House, then become a lobbyist.

Paul Ryan, R-Washington DC.

Set for life

Kind of a Mitt Romney kind of "Republican"

"Kind of" is right!  Ryan was depicted pushing Grandma off a cliff in a wheelchair, and yet he crawls back to the bastards begging for more punishment.  The very definition of a "cuckold."  Not just worthless but weak.

[Smokin Joe]

Okay, time for something new....

For advanced cases in which symptoms of pulmonary edema are present.

https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=230110

Doctors Suspect Mystery COVID-19 Lung Problems, Plea for New Approach

By Peter Schelden on 04/09/2020 2:00 PM

Source: MedicineNet Health News

Some doctors are questioning the way ventilators are being used for people with serious cases of COVID-19. Why? More data shows a high death rate for patients treated under current ventilator practices.

At the same time, these doctors are saying their patients behave more like they have high altitude sickness than a viral infection. They talk about two different types of COVID-19 patients with differing severe lung problems.

While some patients respond to treatment as expected, doctors also describe patients whose lungs seem relatively fine, but who still can't get enough oxygen into their blood. These patients may make up the majority with severe infections.

>snip<

High altitude sickness often improves with taking breaks when needed, staying hydrated, and eating a proper diet. He also says that two drugs can be taken to help prevent the condition, but also warns of their serious side effects:

    DIAMOX (acetazolamide): DIAMOX (acetazolamide) allows a person to breathe faster and so metabolize more oxygen, thereby minimizing the symptoms caused by poor oxygenation.
    Dexamethasone (a steroid): It decreases brain and other swelling reversing the effects of acute mountain sickness (AMS). However steroids have been shown to be unhelpful in treating ARDS, and may worsen symptoms instead.

Dr. Shiel advises that these medications only be taken at the recommendation of a doctor. A study published March 30 specifically warns against treating COVID-19 patients with steroids, as the WHO has reported conflicting evidence with respect to their use in treating viral infections.

This came to my attention through a friend who linked a YouTube here.

The rest is from a web search.

More here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7096066/

Acetazolamide, Nifedipine and Phosphodiesterase Inhibitors: Rationale for Their Utilization as Adjunctive Countermeasures in the Treatment of Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

This study notes the similarities to High Altitude Pulmonary Edema, and suggests treatment of advanced cases with a similar regimen for the HAPE may be appropriate.

This review describes COVID-19 in parallel to HAPE. Deranged respiratory parameters that are present in both conditions are highlighted. The utilization of medications found to be effective in HAPE for the treatment of COVID-19 is proposed. Given the medical emergency of a growing contagion and the thousands of lives at stake, expedient attempts to improve survival are needed. Acetazolamide, Nifedipine and Phosphodiesterase inhibitors may present an opportunity for countermeasure development.

[corbe]

   Damn he's really that BALD, not that that's a bad thing, mind ya.

[Smokin Joe]

Glad you're better. Wonder if you had a mild version? In any event, if it comes back, be prepared.

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I have wondered the same thing, but feeling fine, I'm not going in for testing, someone else might need a kit that would only satisfy my curiosity and really serve no other purpose.

[corbe]

   

             They are collecting your DNA!

[Hoodat]

   Damn he's really that BALD, not that that's a bad thing, mind ya.

RUSH - I Think I'm Going Bald

[Smokin Joe]

   

             They are collecting your DNA!

No biggie, just let the dog lick it...

[sneakypete]

Off topic but what is a Cat Mod?

@Gemmarose

Same/same as a Dog Mod.

Pigeon Mods are a little different. They are kinda flighty,and leave a mess everywhere they go.

Hope this clears that up for ya!

[sneakypete]

A question so good I put it in big font.

@Cyber Liberty

I got struck several times by various coeds when attending college. Does that count?

[Fishrrman]

tx wrote:
"LA and NY are talking about no large gatherings or sporting events until 2021"

This is plausible. Probably a ban on "large gatherings" until a proven vaccine becomes available. Certainly not before infection levels have fallen to a point where new infections are demonstrated to be negligible over a fixed period of time. We are far from that point as of yet, certainly wherever large populations exist.

I wonder how many people are going to be willing to gather with large numbers of others, at least for a while, even after the epidemic fades...?

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty

I got struck several times by various coeds when attending college. Does that count?

Oh, heck yeah!

[corbe]

@Gemmarose

Same/same as a Dog Mod.

Pigeon Mods are a little different. They are kinda flighty,and leave a mess everywhere they go.

Hope this clears that up for ya!

   I take personal offense at the Pigeon Mod analogy, @sneakypete

[Cyber Liberty]

   I take personal offense at the Pigeon Mod analogy, @sneakypete

Tell me about it!  Imagine the ignominy of being labeled an "Administrator," with big red boxes over my Nuclear Kitten Avatar! 

[corbe]

  Maybe I'm just overly sensitive, as many appear to be these days, but I get the 'sneaky' feeling he was referring to me and my Polls category, my last vestige of importance here. 

[Cyber Liberty]

  Maybe I'm just overly sensitive, as many appear to be these days, but I get the 'sneaky' feeling he was referring to me and my Polls category, my last vestige of importance here. 

Which is, I suppose, a way of saying you never had any vestiges at all?   

 

[corbe]

                            That Hurt!   

[Smokin Joe]

                            That Hurt!   

Bu Hu?

Blame China.

[Idiot]

FYI @Smokin Joe
Earlier this week the North Dakota Industrial Commission (NDIC) estimated that 3,600 wells in the state were shut in during March and an additional 1,000 wells have stopped producing so far this month. Roughly 16,000 wells were producing in February. The production cuts from these shut-in wells are estimated to total 260 Mbbl/d. The shut-ins coincide with regulatory changes since the price collapse to suspend requirements that operators either plug and abandon wells that have been shut in for 12 months or bring them back on-line. The regulator has also eased restrictions on DUCs, allowing operators to delay completion activity beyond the normal period of within 12 months of drilling operations. These two regulatory changes will be in effect until WTI reaches at least $50/bbl for 90 days.

[corbe]

          Et Tu @Smokin Joe

[Smokin Joe]

          Et Tu @Smokin Joe

We love ya, bro!

[Elderberry]

May I jump in and ask if any Briefers have been stricken with COVID-19?

Well she's not a briefer, but even though she hasn't been tested, from her symptoms, we're pretty sure that my daughter has the virus. She has had a range of symptoms for about 2 weeks now. Lack of energy, no sense of taste, dry cough, some shortness of breath, only feverish for a day, some body aches. But who knows. It could all be psychosomatic, but I don't think so.

[Smokin Joe]

FYI @Smokin Joe
Earlier this week the North Dakota Industrial Commission (NDIC) estimated that 3,600 wells in the state were shut in during March and an additional 1,000 wells have stopped producing so far this month. Roughly 16,000 wells were producing in February. The production cuts from these shut-in wells are estimated to total 260 Mbbl/d. The shut-ins coincide with regulatory changes since the price collapse to suspend requirements that operators either plug and abandon wells that have been shut in for 12 months or bring them back on-line. The regulator has also eased restrictions on DUCs, allowing operators to delay completion activity beyond the normal period of within 12 months of drilling operations. These two regulatory changes will be in effect until WTI reaches at least $50/bbl for 90 days.

Excellent move by the NDIC (Lynn Helms used to work for Hess, about the time I was doing wells for them, he's an old hand.).
This permits the oil to stay in the ground until the price comes back up, letting operators cut costs and not sell oil at a loss, saving on water disposal costs as well.
At the same time, because the State's extraction tax is based on a percentage of the oil revenue, that will allow the State to make more money later in tax revenues as the oil is selling at a higher price. (it's a win-win),

[Gemmarose]

@Gemmarose

Same/same as a Dog Mod.

Pigeon Mods are a little different. They are kinda flighty,and leave a mess everywhere they go.

Hope this clears that up for ya!

Perfect thanks   

[bigheadfred]

@TomSea Enough of this bullshit. Quit abusing the posters and get a grip.

MOD4

Right. Enough of this bullshit.

Delete my account.

[Gefn]

Tell me about it!  Imagine the ignominy of being labeled an "Administrator," with big red boxes over my Nuclear Kitten Avatar!

Nuclear Kitteh Ruiz

[Gefn]

Right. Enough of this bullshit.

Delete my account.

Nooooo.

Fred don’t leave. Please don’t leave, you’ll really break my heart @bigheadfred

[bigheadfred]

Nooooo.

Fred don’t leave. Please don’t leave, you’ll really break my heart @bigheadfred

I'm tired of this.

My email is on my profile.

[corbe]

   The 'last' departure was the straw that broke the proverbial Camel's back, for you @bigheadfred I had you figured for a Survivor, RECONSIDER.

[mystery-ak]

Right. Enough of this bullshit.

Delete my account.

@bigheadfred Tom is no longer here...

[bigheadfred]

   The 'last' departure was the straw that broke the proverbial Camel's back, for you @bigheadfred I had you figured for a Survivor, RECONSIDER.

Listen.

I have researched this topic. From published papers to clickbait. Down rabbit holes and on.

I've posted the relevant facts. So have other posters.

Yeah. I get that most people lack the intelligence.

WHEN the mods ram their bulldog against one of the most articulate and storied posters here I am calling bullshit.

[corbe]

   Are we taking about the same person here @bigheadfred ~ TomC was a great contributer here, but personaly I'll miss @roamer_1 more.

[bigheadfred]

@bigheadfred Tom is no longer here...

Dead of covid overdose.

There shouldn't be some of the mindset being posted. It isn't a blame game.

Think about what it says under my avatar.

One Day Closer.

Either we the people rise up and end this shit. Or HE will. And if you REALLY believe. Then there is NO difference.

[bigheadfred]

   Are we taking about the same person here @bigheadfred ~ TomC was a great contributer here, but personaly I'll miss @roamer_1 more.

Tom was a mass producer.

[DB]

@roamer_1 @bigheadfred

We'll leave the light on.

[Hoodat]

Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way.

Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain.
You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today.
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you.
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun.

So you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking
Racing around to come up behind you again.
The sun is the same in a relative way but you're older,
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.

PF

[bigheadfred]

@roamer_1 @bigheadfred

We'll leave the light on.

@DB  your light is on. So are ours.

[DB]

Dark Side of the Moon...

[bigheadfred]

Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way.

Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain.
You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today.
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you.
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun.

So you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking
Racing around to come up behind you again.
The sun is the same in a relative way but you're older,
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.

PF

Careful with that axe, Eugene.

[corbe]

Tom was a mass producer.

    Sure he was one of the Top Three, his input here will be surely missed, also in content, not just posted Topics. 
    Maybe we can all pick up some of the slack, it's not Rocket Surgery, ya know /JS

[bigheadfred]

    Sure he was one of the Top Three, his input here will be surely missed, also in content, not just posted Topics. 
    Maybe we can all pick up some of the slack, it's not Rocket Surgery, ya know /JS

There is so many other factors at play here.

How many volcanoes recently erupted in Indonesia?

How far has the tech evolved with the apps being contrived by Apple and Google that track you with SOUND?

They have a vaccine against covid.

They have effective treatments against covid.

They have a cure for cancer.

Why do we need a Space Force?

Watch the earth changes.

You are all beings of resonance and frequency.

They have proven cosmic waves etal can change a one to a zero.

You computer nerds otta be able to code that.

There is a cure against Mad cow disease.

They used to call it common sense.

[libertybele]

Dark Side of the Moon...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLOth-BuCNY

[Elderberry]

Smithfield Foods Becomes Largest Coronavirus Hotbed In United States, South Dakota Governor Yet To Mandate Stay Home Order

Forbes by Alexandra Sternlicht 4/16/2020

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandrasternlicht/2020/04/16/smithfield-foods-becomes-largest-coronavirus-hotbed-in-united-states-south-dakota-governor-yet-to-mandate-stay-home-order/#6c6f624b2143

Smithfield Foods’ meat processing plant in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, has become the largest coronavirus hotbed in the United States with about 735 associate cases, while Gov. Kristi Noem has yet to issue a stay-at-home order.

Nearly 600 employees and 135 close contacts of now-closed the pork processing plant have tested positive for coronavirus, according to Argus Leader, making it the largest coronavirus hotspot in the United States, surpassing the U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt and Cook County Jail in Chicago.

Smithfield Foods employee Augustin Rodriguez, 64, became the first coronavirus fatality from the plant’s outbreak when he died Tuesday morning, according to the Argus Leader, which reported that Rodriguez continued working at the plant after he began to have symptoms of COVID-19; he was hospitalized on April 4.

Smithfield Foods, owned by Hong Kong-based WH Group, is the largest pork processor in the world—and in addition to its Sioux Fall plant, Smithfield facilities in Cudahy, Wisconsin, Martin City, Missouri, and Arnold, Pennsylvania, have closed after employees at these locations tested positive for coronavirus.

More at link.

[musiclady]

Smithfield Foods Becomes Largest Coronavirus Hotbed In United States, South Dakota Governor Yet To Mandate Stay Home Order

Forbes by Alexandra Sternlicht 4/16/2020

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandrasternlicht/2020/04/16/smithfield-foods-becomes-largest-coronavirus-hotbed-in-united-states-south-dakota-governor-yet-to-mandate-stay-home-order/#6c6f624b2143

Yikes.

[jafo2010]

Someone asked if anyone here had COVID19.

It is both my belief and my wife's that we had COVID19 back in early January.  We were both sicker than either of us have ever been.  I am 66 and she at the time was 46.

My wife is a physician/CDC, and she keeps a small drugstore.  She was the first to get sick, and I followed, presumably getting it from her.  She knew something was unusual from the get-go.  We started taking antibiotics, Tamiflu, and mega doses of Vitamin C.

In addition, I believe 100% that Chartreuse Green is medicinal.  It is a liquor, made by French monks from 140 herbs, and since about 1983, I discovered that when I am becoming symptomatic, I always take a drink of Chartreuse before going to bed.  4 out of 5 times, I awaken symptom free.  Through the years, my wife has also become a believer, and she is not into alcohol.  So, perhaps Chartreuse helped as well.

In any case, we were both very sick, staying in bed fighting this.  After the fever abated, we were both weak for a long period.  It took quite a while for me to recover.  Not sure if we had the weaker version or the harsher version, but neither of us want it again.

If our government healthcare folks were doing their job, we would have had an antibody test to verify if we had the virus.  Someone is dropping the ball big time, and I can only figure too many of them are anti Trumpers, dragging their feet to make Trump look bad.

[Elderberry]

My daughter finally feels like she has fully recovered. She heard today of an antibody blood test that's available and she plans on getting tested.

[sneakypete]

   Are we taking about the same person here @bigheadfred ~ TomC was a great contributer here, but personaly I'll miss @roamer_1 more.

@corbe   @bigheadfred

I didn't agree with either on a number of issues,but if I only wanted to argue with myself I wouldn't need a computer.

You/me/none of us will ever learn anything new unless there is someone to occasionally tell us we are wrong,and why we are wrong. THAT we can argue with. Silence on their part makes debate impossible,and silence on OUR part means they must be right because we have no counter argument.

Don't go,Fred.

[sneakypete]

Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way.

Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain.
You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today.
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you.
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun.

So you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking
Racing around to come up behind you again.
The sun is the same in a relative way but you're older,
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.

PF

@Hoodat

Discovering Pink Floyd was like having a religious experience.

Blues from the 25th Century.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

@Hoodat

Discovering Pink Floyd was like having a religious experience.

Blues from the 25th Century.

And I remember as a kid I was like 16, I remember they told me – warn me they said ‘hey you got to be careful with that LSD on the count of you can get a flashback. 10 years could go by; 20 years, 30 years and a flashback will happen, so I thought ‘hey, that seems like a good deal.’ You tell me, I buy a drug for $5, I eat it, I get high and then 20 years later I get high again.

I like to stretch my drug dollar as much as the next guy, but that’s not the point.  The point is this. 10 years have past, 20 years have past, 30 years have past and no flashbacks, what a gip that turned out to be, just more horse sh!t by the big acid companies, that’s all it is.
                               
                                                                                  -Norm Macdonald

[Smokin Joe]

And I remember as a kid I was like 16, I remember they told me – warn me they said ‘hey you got to be careful with that LSD on the count of you can get a flashback. 10 years could go by; 20 years, 30 years and a flashback will happen, so I thought ‘hey, that seems like a good deal.’ You tell me, I buy a drug for $5, I eat it, I get high and then 20 years later I get high again.

I like to stretch my drug dollar as much as the next guy, but that’s not the point.  The point is this. 10 years have past, 20 years have past, 30 years have past and no flashbacks, what a gip that turned out to be, just more horse sh!t by the big acid companies, that’s all it is.
                               
                                                                                  -Norm Macdonald

Shoulda been Leary of claims like that...

[sneakypete]

And I remember as a kid I was like 16, I remember they told me – warn me they said ‘hey you got to be careful with that LSD on the count of you can get a flashback. 10 years could go by; 20 years, 30 years and a flashback will happen, so I thought ‘hey, that seems like a good deal.’ You tell me, I buy a drug for $5, I eat it, I get high and then 20 years later I get high again.

I like to stretch my drug dollar as much as the next guy, but that’s not the point.  The point is this. 10 years have past, 20 years have past, 30 years have past and no flashbacks, what a gip that turned out to be, just more horse sh!t by the big acid companies, that’s all it is.
                               
                                                                                  -Norm Macdonald

@Once-Ler

As usual,I am with Norm.

All these years later I am still feeling SORTA cheated,and I am still waiting for my freebie trips.

Can't really complain too much because I did have some mighty wonderful experiences.

BUT.....,like all really good things,there comes a time when you either gotta quit,or turn pro. I decided to quit.

Granted,it took me losing several months without a single clue as to where I had been or what I had been doing,but washing it down with white whiskey in gallon milk jugs might have contributed some of the confusion.

Not that it matters. For reasons I will never understand,I suddenly became stone-cold sober one day in an instant,and looked around me wondering about little thinks,like where I had been living,if I had a job,when I bought the car I was driving,etc,etc,etc.

Quitting was an EASY decision to make. If you can't remember what you have been doing,you surely haven't been having any fun,and having fun was the sole reason for taking drugs and drinking.

I can truthfully say I don't even miss it the way it was for me right before I quit because I had blacked out and had no freaking clue about what I had been doing.

Been sober ever since,and that "moment" happened some time in the late 70's.

Still,I would take a nice "freebie" if I could get it,and giggle like a school girl while it was happening. As I am sure some of you know,there are some things you just can't explain to people who have never "been there".

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Shoulda been Leary of claims like that...

I saw what you did there.

[Smokin Joe]

I saw what you did there.

It's nice to be appreciated.

[aligncare]

May I jump in and ask if any Briefers have been stricken with COVID-19?

Someone asked if anyone here had COVID19.

It is both my belief and my wife's that we had COVID19 back in early January.  We were both sicker than either of us have ever been.  I am 66 and she at the time was 46.

My wife is a physician/CDC, and she keeps a small drugstore.  She was the first to get sick, and I followed, presumably getting it from her.  She knew something was unusual from the get-go.  We started taking antibiotics, Tamiflu, and mega doses of Vitamin C.

In addition, I believe 100% that Chartreuse Green is medicinal.  It is a liquor, made by French monks from 140 herbs, and since about 1983, I discovered that when I am becoming symptomatic, I always take a drink of Chartreuse before going to bed.  4 out of 5 times, I awaken symptom free.  Through the years, my wife has also become a believer, and she is not into alcohol.  So, perhaps Chartreuse helped as well.

In any case, we were both very sick, staying in bed fighting this.  After the fever abated, we were both weak for a long period.  It took quite a while for me to recover.  Not sure if we had the weaker version or the harsher version, but neither of us want it again.

If our government healthcare folks were doing their job, we would have had an antibody test to verify if we had the virus.  Someone is dropping the ball big time, and I can only figure too many of them are anti Trumpers, dragging their feet to make Trump look bad.

I have a similar story.

I became suspicious over the last few weeks that both my wife and I got covid one week apart in early February. She (working at a nursing home) was first to get sick with persistent symptoms, then me with less severe symptoms that lasted four or five weeks.

A couple of weeks ago several patients on the fifth floor (where ICU patients are treated) began dying. It must have freaked out everybody because they closed the floor and gutted it, stripped every fixture out and did a thorough decontamination.

[jmyrlefuller]

Off topic but what is a Cat Mod?

@Gemmarose

To answer seriously, "category moderator." One of the levels of administration here on the site.

[jmyrlefuller]

Smithfield Foods Becomes Largest Coronavirus Hotbed In United States, South Dakota Governor Yet To Mandate Stay Home Order

Forbes by Alexandra Sternlicht 4/16/2020

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandrasternlicht/2020/04/16/smithfield-foods-becomes-largest-coronavirus-hotbed-in-united-states-south-dakota-governor-yet-to-mandate-stay-home-order/#6c6f624b2143

Smithfield, as a food processing facility, would have been exempt from the order anyway, so it wouldn't have done one bit of good.

But hey, let's stoke the groupthink mentality.

[Smokin Joe]

Smithfield, as a food processing facility, would have been exempt from the order anyway, so it wouldn't have done one bit of good.

But hey, let's stoke the groupthink mentality.

Here, let's throw some gasoline on that fire.
On May 29, 2013, WH Group, then known as Shuanghui Group or Shineway Group, the largest meat producer in China, announced the purchase of Smithfield Foods for $4.72 billion, a sale first suggested in 2009.

[Bigun]

Here, let's throw some gasoline on that fire.
On May 29, 2013, WH Group, then known as Shuanghui Group or Shineway Group, the largest meat producer in China, announced the purchase of Smithfield Foods for $4.72 billion, a sale first suggested in 2009.

  I pointed out this fact a couple of days ago on a related thread.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,398258.msg2189796.html#msg2189796

[musiclady]

Smithfield, as a food processing facility, would have been exempt from the order anyway, so it wouldn't have done one bit of good.

But hey, let's stoke the groupthink mentality.

The headline may be misleading, but the story is disturbing.

[sneakypete]

The headline may be misleading, but the story is disturbing.

@musiclady

HEY! Cut the dictators that own China some slack! After all,they already own China and everyone and everything in China,so they have nothing to spend the trillions on that they pull in from America,thanks primarily to the Bush and the Clinton Crime Families.

Can you imagine the horrors of having trillions in cash,and nothing to buy with it?

Have you no mercy? Where is your humanity? </S>

[Smokin Joe]

@musiclady

HEY! Cut the dictators that own China some slack! After all,they already own China and everyone and everything in China,so they have nothing to spend the trillions on that they pull in from America,thanks primarily to the Bush and the Clinton Crime Families.

Can you imagine the horrors of having trillions in cash,and nothing to buy with it?

Have you no mercy? Where is your humanity? </S>

Makes a guy wonder what would happen if all the dictators there got sick and died....

How would the Chinese react to being free?

[Hoodat]

And I remember as a kid I was like 16, I remember they told me – warn me they said ‘hey you got to be careful with that LSD on the count of you can get a flashback. 10 years could go by; 20 years, 30 years and a flashback will happen, so I thought ‘hey, that seems like a good deal.’ You tell me, I buy a drug for $5, I eat it, I get high and then 20 years later I get high again.
                               
                                                                                  -Norm Macdonald

@Once-Ler

That was my exact thinking as well.

[Idiot]

@musiclady

HEY! Cut the dictators that own China some slack! After all,they already own China and everyone and everything in China,so they have nothing to spend the trillions on that they pull in from America,thanks primarily to the Bush and the Clinton Crime Families.

Can you imagine the horrors of having trillions in cash,and nothing to buy with it?

Have you no mercy? Where is your humanity? </S>

You speak the truth....  I've been having it out with a sibling about China.  They seem to think that China can do no wrong.  They entertain Chinese "students" who come into our country to study at a well known university.  They study anything from business to engineering.  The group of them live together with a "minder", who is a loyal communist party person, to make sure they don't stray.  I find the entire setup disgusting.  Students from the USA should have these slots and not foreigners...especially Chinese.  And of course I get this from my sibling.....the virus didn't come from the Wuhan lab, it was just an accident in the food market....and even if it did...there is no way to prove it.  They don't call Austin weird for nothing.....lol.

[Hoodat]

And of course I get this from my sibling.....the virus didn't come from the Wuhan lab, it was just an accident in the food market....and even if it did...there is no way to prove it.

This is the thing about liberal 'reasoning' [sic] that bugs the heck out of me.  What this person is saying is that truth doesn't matter.  It's like having all their premises suspended in the air connected together with springs.  When you disprove (i.e. remove) a premise, the force of the springs readjusts the positions of the remaining premises until it reaches a new equilibrium.  At no point is this person's belief changed.  Only their reasoning [sic] for it.

In the example above, let's say there is a way to prove, and that it was proved the virus came from the Wuhan lab.  The springs would adjust, new premises would be invented, and the new argument would be "Yes, it came from the Wuhan lab.  But that's not China's fault."

[mountaineer]

From a University of Maryland doctor via Twitter:

Faheem Younus, MD  @FaheemYounus
1h

We are fighting COVID
~30 patients received SOME of the following experimental treatments. 0 deaths!
Hydroxychloroquine
Lovenox - prevent clots
Remdesivir - treat PNA
Tocilizumab - treat cytokine storm
HFNC/proning - prevent ventilation
Plasma

Possibilities attached


9:47 AM · Apr 17, 2020

[sneakypete]

Makes a guy wonder what would happen if all the dictators there got sick and died....

How would the Chinese react to being free?

@Smokin Joe

Total chaos. The Chinese,in all the history of China,have NEVER been free. They have always been subjects.

[Smokin Joe]

@Smokin Joe

Total chaos. The Chinese,in all the history of China,have NEVER been free. They have always been subjects.

True, I guess. Even under Chiang, it was pretty much a warlord and the peasants...

[sneakypete]

You speak the truth....  I've been having it out with a sibling about China.  They seem to think that China can do no wrong.  They entertain Chinese "students" who come into our country to study at a well known university.  They study anything from business to engineering.  The group of them live together with a "minder", who is a loyal communist party person, to make sure they don't stray.  I find the entire setup disgusting.  Students from the USA should have these slots and not foreigners...especially Chinese.  And of course I get this from my sibling.....the virus didn't come from the Wuhan lab, it was just an accident in the food market....and even if it did...there is no way to prove it.  They don't call Austin weird for nothing.....lol.

@mrpotatohead

Those "students" are in reality Officers in the Chinese "Peoples Liberation Army",and their assignment is to "mine" US industries and schools for trade secrets,blueprints,formulas,etc,etc,etc,that they can steal and take back to China for the Chinese to use to create their own production for their military to use,or to make cheap Chinese duplicates to flood the American market with to put Americans out of work.

The "group leader" is actually the senior officer,and his job is to monitor and command the junior officers under his command.

Make no mistake about it,this is nothing less than economic warfare.

[Hoodat]

@mrpotatohead

Those "students" are in reality Officers in the Chinese "Peoples Liberation Army",and their assignment is to "mine" US industries and schools for trade secrets,blueprints,formulas,etc,etc,etc,that they can steal and take back to China for the Chinese to use to create their own production for their military to use,or to make cheap Chinese duplicates to flood the American market with to put Americans out of work.

The "group leader" is actually the senior officer,and his job is to monitor and command the junior officers under his command.

Make no mistake about it,this is nothing less than economic warfare.

@sneakypete , here's a blast from the past for you:

EMPLOYEE'S BODY IS FOUND IN COMMERCE DEPT. OFFICE

Barbara Wise worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang.  Huang of course was the Chicom agent who worked his way into the Commerce Dept, and then copied and faxed massive quantities of classified documents from the US Patent Office to the Chicoms.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete , here's a blast from the past for you:

EMPLOYEE'S BODY IS FOUND IN COMMERCE DEPT. OFFICE

Barbara Wise worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang.  Huang of course was the Chicom agent who worked his way into the Commerce Dept, and then copied and faxed massive quantities of classified documents from the US Patent Office to the Chicoms.

@Hoodat

I saw this personally when I was a letter carrier with the USPS. The Chinese students in this country were continually mailing back huge packages with manuals and blueprints back home to China. I notified the Postal Inspectors,and they told me it was legal,and there was nothing they could do about it.

Industrial espionage is "legal". Who knew?

[Formerly Once-Ler]

https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/not-like-the-flu-not-like-car-crashes-not-like

ow deadly is Covid-19 compared to seasonal flu, past pandemics, or car crashes?

To offer context, we have produced two charts showing coronavirus deaths along with deaths from other common causes in the past to which the disease has recently been compared. One chart shows deaths for the United States, the other for New York, the state hardest hit.

Note that the data sets begin at different points in the year (as marked on the left). Also note that the figures shown here are for new deaths each week, not for cumulative deaths.



more at link

[Smokin Joe]

@sneakypete , here's a blast from the past for you:

EMPLOYEE'S BODY IS FOUND IN COMMERCE DEPT. OFFICE

Barbara Wise worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang.  Huang of course was the Chicom agent who worked his way into the Commerce Dept, and then copied and faxed massive quantities of classified documents from the US Patent Office to the Chicoms.

Was that before or after Ron Brown's plane crashed on a sunny day (and he had that .45 caliber hole in his head).

[Smokin Joe]

https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/not-like-the-flu-not-like-car-crashes-not-like

ow deadly is Covid-19 compared to seasonal flu, past pandemics, or car crashes?

To offer context, we have produced two charts showing coronavirus deaths along with deaths from other common causes in the past to which the disease has recently been compared. One chart shows deaths for the United States, the other for New York, the state hardest hit.

Note that the data sets begin at different points in the year (as marked on the left). Also note that the figures shown here are for new deaths each week, not for cumulative deaths.



more at link

Oh look! The virus has it's very own hockey stick!

Now, measure the area under the curve.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-alerted-israel-nato-to-disease-outbreak-in-china-in-november-report/

US alerted Israel, NATO to disease outbreak in China in November — TV report

White House was reportedly not interested in the intel, but it was passed onto NATO, IDF; when it reached Israel’s Health Ministry, ‘nothing was done’

US intelligence agencies alerted Israel to the coronavirus outbreak in China already in November, Israeli television reported Thursday.

According to Channel 12 news, the US intelligence community became aware of the emerging disease in Wuhan in the second week of that month and drew up a classified document.

Information on the disease outbreak was not in the public domain at that stage — and was known only apparently to the Chinese government.

US intelligence informed the Trump administration, “which did not deem it of interest,” but the report said the Americans also decided to update two allies with the classified document: NATO and Israel, specifically the IDF.

The network said Israeli military officials later in November discussed the possibility of the spread of the virus to the region and how it would affect Israel and neighboring countries.

The intelligence also reached Israel’s decision makers and the Health Ministry, where “nothing was done,” according to the report.

more at link

[Smokin Joe]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-alerted-israel-nato-to-disease-outbreak-in-china-in-november-report/

US alerted Israel, NATO to disease outbreak in China in November — TV report

White House was reportedly not interested in the intel, but it was passed onto NATO, IDF; when it reached Israel’s Health Ministry, ‘nothing was done’

more at link

I wonder if that's the same US intelligence that spent all that time ginning up stuff to feed the FBI (even though they don't do domestic work) to try to impeach the President.

What did who know and when did they know it, and why was it not brought to the POTUS' attention by the Intel agencies and the CDC< and all the people whose job it is to make damned sure the message gets through?

Besides, if it was in November, then the whole "wet market" fairy tale falls flat on it's keester.

[skeeter]

Oh look! The virus has it's very own hockey stick!

Now, measure the area under the curve.

I’d like to know the criteria used to attribute Corona deaths to the actual virus. We know different reporting bodies have gotten very creative.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I wonder if that's the same US intelligence that spent all that time ginning up stuff to feed the FBI (even though they don't do domestic work) to try to impeach the President.

What did who know and when did they know it, and why was it not brought to the POTUS' attention by the Intel agencies and the CDC< and all the people whose job it is to make damned sure the message gets through?

I think someone should be asking Peter Navarro this.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Written by Bill O'Reilly

That simple thoughtful gesture saved me a lot of reading.  Thank you.

[Mod2]

@mrpotatohead   Can you provide a link to the O'Reilly piece and please excerpt it? Thanks.

[Bigun]

Written by: Bill O'Reilly

He's as right as rain!  Thanks for posting @mrpotatohead.  Do you by chance have a link?

[Hoodat]

Here's a link.  Can't find the original.  May be fake.

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/theerant/bill-o-reilly-on-wuhan-virus-t104979.html

[jafo2010]

I'm not sure Trump will do anything to China.  He keeps talking about how great China is, which is NOT what I would be saying right now.

It does not matter if the release of the virus from the lab in Wuhan was intentional or unintentional, China is responsible.  With that said, they should pay for the lion's share of cost for this outbreak.

I would like to see the end of trade with China.  I do not mind paying more for products, and the fact is, I have been boycotting China products froM the day it was discovered they were putting poison in their baby formula.  Notably, dog products are largely from China and India, but I look for USA only.  I will not subject my dog to eating anything from those two countries.  And the same for other products, and I have noticed Made in the USA does not mean COST MORE.  Most USA products are comparable and at times cheaper.

SO, I BUY PRODUCTS MADE IN THE USA FIRST, AND THEN MADE ANYWHERE ELSE BUT CHINA SECOND.  BEEN DOING THAT FOR YEARS!!!   F*&^ CHINA!!!

[Hoodat]

This is what O'Reilly wrote on April 12 from his website:

There is a wall of doom being erected in America.  The media is building it by sensationalizing coverage of the pandemic, instead of providing facts and honest context to people who desperately need it.
 
Here are some recent headlines found on the net.

    - Economic Devastation Looms

    - Record Bankruptcies Predicted

    - Pandemic Will Cleve Nation in Two

    - Broke Americans Consider Selling Blood

    - Czech Nudists Told to Wear Face Masks

Only the last story was based on a factual occurrence.  The others used speculative opinion throughout the articles.
 
While it is certainly true that the press has always used flaming leads, this time there is a dark reason to do it.  The deadly virus spreads quickly and without warning.  That creates mass fear.  And fear creates opportunity.
 
There are Americans, including some media chieftains, who believe four more years of President Trump is actually worse for the country than the contagion.  So while the virus is amongst us, it should be used to damage the President as much as possible.
 
Therefore, doom is a much better context than hope.  Any positive development is scrutinized while negative occurrences are quickly gathered and spotlighted.  You cannot build a wall of doom upon a foundation of better times ahead.
 
The primary construction crew of the horror wall is the usual far-left apparatus that also sees a chance to damage the capitalist system. Thus, a spate of reports on how much Americans will suffer economically even after the virus abates.
 
We saw this when Bernie Sanders demanded the federal government pay every workers full salary throughout the pandemic. That, of course, would collapse the US dollar as the Treasury Department would have to print trillions in paper currency to meet the obligation.
 
But that’s what Sanders, George Soros, and elements at The New York Times, want - economic and societal chaos.  So a new “world order” can be built based on Marxist redistribution principles.
 
With that in play, let’s welcome in the Thunder Doom spectacle.  It is here for all to see.  And please note exactly who is putting bricks in that wall.
 
They are not looking out for you.

https://www.billoreilly.com/b/The-Strategy/431809981594190092.html

[Formerly Once-Ler]

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/493359-matterhorn-in-swiss-alps-lit-up-with-american-flag-in-show-of

The famous Matterhorn mountain in the Swiss Alps was illuminated with an American flag this week in a show of solidarity for the U.S. during the coronavirus pandemic.

Light artist Gerry Hoffstetter projected the flag onto the 14,692 foot peak on Thursday as part of a nightly series supporting those combating COVID-19.

"Our thoughts are with all American people at this unprecedented time. We look forward to meeting again at the foot of the Matterhorn, we are all in this together," the tourism organization Zermatt Matterhorn wrote on its Facebook page.

more at link

[Hoodat]

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/493359-matterhorn-in-swiss-alps-lit-up-with-american-flag-in-show-of



more at link

Cool beans.

[mountaineer]

"Our thoughts are with all American people at this unprecedented time. We look forward to meeting again at the foot of the Matterhorn, we are all in this together," the tourism organization Zermatt Matterhorn wrote on its Facebook page.

That's nice. I'm hoping to visit the Matterhorn next year and will hoist a Cardinal lager in their honor.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Cool beans.

This makes it ours now, I think.

[truth_seeker]

I wonder if that's the same US intelligence that spent all that time ginning up stuff to feed the FBI (even though they don't do domestic work) to try to impeach the President.

What did who know and when did they know it, and why was it not brought to the POTUS' attention by the Intel agencies and the CDC< and all the people whose job it is to make damned sure the message gets through?

Besides, if it was in November, then the whole "wet market" fairy tale falls flat on it's keester.

At the indicated timeframes, they were between Spygate, Meuller report, Russia-gate, Ukraine-gate, Impeachment.

Adam Shitt, Nan from shitty San Fran, Shumer,  and Jerold thin-man Nadler, couldn't have possibly been interested in the safety of America.

LTC Vindman was still considering his offer to head Unraine's military forces. Dr. Hill, was waiting instructions from Russia, how to proceed next.

[Hoodat]

04-17-2020 | 21:04 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	3.857 ↑	3.364 ↓
United States	1.605 ↓	11.822 ↑
China	16.827 ↓	1.061 ↑

US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 179,009
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 21.5 %  ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 63.0 %  ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Big jump in China fatalities, proving their numbers cannot be trusted.  Recoveries in US still going unreported.  37% of survivors infected 3 weeks ago still not listed as 'recovered'.  The political stakes are growing.  Lines are being drawn.

[Smokin Joe]

I'm not sure Trump will do anything to China.  He keeps talking about how great China is, which is NOT what I would be saying right now.

It does not matter if the release of the virus from the lab in Wuhan was intentional or unintentional, China is responsible.  With that said, they should pay for the lion's share of cost for this outbreak.

I would like to see the end of trade with China.  I do not mind paying more for products, and the fact is, I have been boycotting China products froM the day it was discovered they were putting poison in their baby formula.  Notably, dog products are largely from China and India, but I look for USA only.  I will not subject my dog to eating anything from those two countries.  And the same for other products, and I have noticed Made in the USA does not mean COST MORE.  Most USA products are comparable and at times cheaper.

SO, I BUY PRODUCTS MADE IN THE USA FIRST, AND THEN MADE ANYWHERE ELSE BUT CHINA SECOND.  BEEN DOING THAT FOR YEARS!!!   F*&^ CHINA!!!

Oh, the Bard...(hopefully)

Mark Antony at the Forum...Act 3, Scene 2, Julius Caesar

Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest--
For Brutus is an honourable man;
So are they all, all honourable men--
Come I to speak in Caesar's funeral.

Later in the scene...

O masters, if I were disposed to stir
Your hearts and minds to mutiny and rage,
I should do Brutus wrong, and Cassius wrong,
Who, you all know, are honourable men:
I will not do them wrong; I rather choose
To wrong the dead, to wrong myself and you,
Than I will wrong such honourable men.

and then...

Will you be patient? will you stay awhile?
I have o'ershot myself to tell you of it:
I fear I wrong the honourable men
Whose daggers have stabb'd Caesar; I do fear it.

[Smokin Joe]

At the indicated timeframes, they were between Spygate, Meuller report, Russia-gate, Ukraine-gate, Impeachment.

Adam Shitt, Nan from shitty San Fran, Shumer,  and Jerold thin-man Nadler, couldn't have possibly been interested in the safety of America.

LTC Vindman was still considering his offer to head Unraine's military forces. Dr. Hill, was waiting instructions from Russia, how to proceed next.

Exactly!
They were more focused on the coup attempt than the safety of the United States.
Not just Dereliction of Duty, but giving aid and comfort ...

[DB]

"Recovery from coronavirus may not confer immunity, warn experts"

https://www.france24.com/en/20200417-recovery-from-coronavirus-may-not-confer-immunity-warn-experts

[bigheadfred]

"Recovery from coronavirus may not confer immunity, warn experts"

https://www.france24.com/en/20200417-recovery-from-coronavirus-may-not-confer-immunity-warn-experts

This is very interesting. This is strictly my opinion. Reading the article, they are saying the virus doesn't mutate to reinfect. They are saying the virus has somehow decided to form a different approach than other illnesses. It has armed itself with the ability to strike, in a military way, through a number of different options. Natural viruses don't do that. Not within a short time frame. Thanks for the post, @DB.

[Smokin Joe]

This is very interesting. This is strictly my opinion. Reading the article, they are saying the virus doesn't mutate to reinfect. They are saying the virus has somehow decided to form a different approach than other illnesses. It has armed itself with the ability to strike, in a military way, through a number of different options. Natural viruses don't do that. Not within a short time frame. Thanks for the post, @DB.

Yep, They said:

Another pre-publication study that looked at 175 recovered patients in Shanghai showed different concentrations of protective antibodies 10 to 15 days after the onset of symptoms.

"But whether that antibody response actually means immunity is a separate question," commented Maria Van Kerhove, Technical Lead of the WHO Emergencies Programme.

"That's something we really need to better understand -- what does that antibody response look like in terms of immunity."

Indeed, a host of questions remain.

"We are at the stage of asking whether someone who has overcome COVID-19 is really that protected," said Jean-Francois Delfraissy, president of France's official science advisory board.

...but they also said this:

"The only real solution for now is a vaccine," Archie Clements, a professor at Curtin University in Perth Australia, told AFP.

How do vaccines work? You produce antibodies...

Someone is giving us a smoke enema.

[bigheadfred]

Yep, They said:
...but they also said this:
How do vaccines work? You produce antibodies...

Someone is giving us a smoke enema.

I am not a vaccine expert. In my small understanding a vaccine targets a specfic feature of the disease. the polio vaccine. The smallpox vaccine, etc.

How can "they" say that a vaccine is the only solution when they can't target the specific trait?

I am not an antivaxxer. I have spent time overseas in third word shitholes. And apparently didn't die from the specific diseases or vaccinations recommended. Not to mention the vaccines I had as a kid here. I have had an initial and two followups vaccinations for RABIES. Prolly need another shot the way I've been foaming at the mouth here.

I have a high interest in defeating treatable diseases. My Hep C. I admit it. I gave it up. I was so sick when I got to the point of trying an opioid for the pain and that didn't help I was done. A part of that was I felt shame for letting myself and my family down. My wife got me by the balls, beat me about the face and ears, and told me I wasn't done. She said  I saved her because she married a MAN. And she could save me because she understood that she had the strength to be a WOMAN.

That might sound weird. Maybe I phrased it poorly.

I joined this forum in search of a friend I wanted to say goodbye to. Lost from TOS. I found them FWIW, but here, here, I found somethng even better than a friend. I found a family.

This is going to sound even weirder. There was no need for me to continue my robot 2 thread. All of you all ya'll done did it tomorrow.

Yeah. That smoke enema.Tomorrow. Either we are clear of this shit. Or we are clear on this shit.

 

[Formerly Once-Ler]

This guy was at a rona rally today.  Looks fake to me.  Why is he wearing a mask?

[DB]

Yep, They said:
...but they also said this:
How do vaccines work? You produce antibodies...

Someone is giving us a smoke enema.

I noticed that too. It antibodies only last a few years then perhaps they are implying that you can get vaccinated every so many years keeping your immunity up. Essentially a booster shot. If that could be done world wide for a few years the virus ought to be eradicated.

Another big question is if you can get it again do your antibodies from a previous go around significantly lessen the symptoms the next time even after a long period of time? If it were far less severe then getting it again isn't as big a deal. If that isn't the case, that's pretty concerning.

Strange how this virus seems to be so different than how corona type viruses normally behave...

[Smokin Joe]

I am not a vaccine expert. In my small understanding a vaccine targets a specfic feature of the disease. the polio vaccine. The smallpox vaccine, etc.

How can "they" say that a vaccine is the only solution when they can't target the specific trait?

I am not an antivaxxer. I have spent time overseas in third word shitholes. And apparently didn't die from the specific diseases or vaccinations recommended. Not to mention the vaccines I had as a kid here. I have had an initial and two followups vaccinations for RABIES. Prolly need another shot the way I've been foaming at the mouth here.

I have a high interest in defeating treatable diseases. My Hep C. I admit it. I gave it up. I was so sick when I got to the point of trying an opioid for the pain and that didn't help I was done. A part of that was I felt shame for letting myself and my family down. My wife got me by the balls, beat me about the face and ears, and told me I wasn't done. She said  I saved her because she married a MAN. And she could save me because she understood that she had the strength to be a WOMAN.

That might sound weird. Maybe I phrased it poorly.

I joined this forum in search of a friend I wanted to say goodbye to. Lost from TOS. I found them FWIW, but here, here, I found somethng even better than a friend. I found a family.

This is going to sound even weirder. There was no need for me to continue my robot 2 thread. All of you all ya'll done did it tomorrow.

Yeah. That smoke enema.Tomorrow. Either we are clear of this shit. Or we are clear on this shit.

I'm not an expert either, Fred.  But I do know vaccines cause the body to develop antibodies against a specific disease so the body can stop it before it gets started..

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Home Free - Quarantine


www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxanH9ejrH0

[bigheadfred]

They are closing so many businesses down that it forces people to shop in the ones that are open. More people together stuck in a larger line for an extended period of time. Stores that would be glad to have a customer forced to close in favor of stores that are forced to limit the number of customers, and cashiers, that on a daily basis were short wait stores. Stupid.

[catfish1957]

This guy was at a rona rally today.  Looks fake to me.  Why is he wearing a mask?

Left wing staged fake photo, kind of like the "Moran" one. 

[sneakypete]

It is a given that the Chinese are evil,soulless bastards,so has anyone else considered the possibility that this virus is a result of the Chinese trying to create a vaccine they can use for their own troops before they set loose a deadlier virus on the world?

Since they may be among the least creative  people in the world,it backfired on them and their "vacinnation" got out of the lab and morphed into a virus,itself?

[Bigun]

@Smokin Joe  @bigheadfred

I've had two flu shots in my life taken approx 40 years apart both nearly killed me so there will not be a third and neither will I take one for this virus.

[mountaineer]

Mr. M told me he heard a statistic repeated on the news yesterday that 70% of the virus deaths have been of overweight people.

Regular exercise can help protect from severe coronavirus complication
By Vincent Barone
April 17, 2020 | 11:38pm

When it comes to fighting the coronavirus, exercise is preventative medicine, according to one new study.

Regular cardiovascular workouts may help protect future coronavirus patients from developing a severe complication and major cause of death known as acute respiratory distress syndrome, according to research from Zhen Yan of the University of Virginia School of Medicine.

Yan, the director of the Center for Skeletal Muscle Research at UVA’s Robert M. Berne Cardiovascular Research Center, recommends 30 minutes of cardiovascular training every day to help ward off the respiratory disease. ...

More at NY Post

[Cyber Liberty]

Mr. M told me he heard a statistic repeated on the news yesterday that 70% of the virus deaths have been of overweight people.More at NY Post

Left unremarked, these are people who consider 70% of the total population is "obese."

[Smokin Joe]

@Smokin Joe  @bigheadfred

I've had two flu shots in my life taken approx 40 years apart both nearly killed me so there will not be a third and neither will I take one for this virus.

I have never had a flu shot.

[Cyber Liberty]

I have a high interest in defeating treatable diseases. My Hep C. I admit it. I gave it up. I was so sick when I got to the point of trying an opioid for the pain and that didn't help I was done. A part of that was I felt shame for letting myself and my family down. My wife got me by the balls, beat me about the face and ears, and told me I wasn't done. She said  I saved her because she married a MAN. And she could save me because she understood that she had the strength to be a WOMAN.

That might sound weird. Maybe I phrased it poorly.

Doesn't sound weird to me, at all.  I've "spoken" with her on Bookface, a fantastic lady, for which you are a lucky man...no...a wealthy man.

[mountaineer]

I have never had a flu shot.

I haven't, either, nor the other recommended vaccinations (pneumonia, shingles). No vaccination at all, in fact, since the last measles shot as a child, which gave me a mild case. In all my decades of life without a flu shot, I've actually had the flu fewer than three times.

[Neverdul]

Home Free - Quarantine


www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxanH9ejrH0

 

[Idiot]

I haven't, either, nor the other recommended vaccinations (pneumonia, shingles). No vaccination at all, in fact, since the last measles shot as a child, which gave me a mild case. In all my decades of life without a flu shot, I've actually had the flu fewer than three times.

I take the flu shot every year and have never had a bad reaction to the shot.  A company I do some work for gave all of their employees flu shots and the very next week 3/4's them had the flu.  The Dr. giving the shot said it was impossible...but...there it happened.  I plan on getting a pneumonia shot when all of this virus crap goes away.  I have a good friend that took 2 different pneumonia shots, then came down with pneumonia a couple of years later that almost killed him.  So then there's that.....lol.

[Smokin Joe]

Okay, let's look at this
From the NY Post article: https://nypost.com/2020/04/17/regular-exercise-can-help-protect-from-severe-coronavirus-complication/

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has estimated between 20 and 42 percent of all patients hospitalized with COVID-19 will develop ARDS.

Research predating the pandemic suggested that approximately 45 percent of patients who develop severe ARDS will die, according to a news release from the University of Virginia Health System.

Using real numbers from ND, of 439 cases, 47 were hospitalized (11%). 
Using the high estimation of 42%, 4.5% of the original total will develop ARDS, 2% of the original number will die.
Using the low estimation of 20%, 2.1% of the original total will develop ARDS, or just under 1% of the original total will die.

Testing the model, without any consideration of other factors, that means that of the 439 cases in ND, at the high end 9 deaths would be expected, at the low end, 4 deaths. While cases remain unresolved, there have been 9 deaths in the State. Age group from 50 to 80+, skewed toward the higher ages, and all with "underlying medical conditions".

Those numbers work out, but that does not address specific cause/effect relationships, only statistics that might be the same for people who consume products containing water, without more specific information.

Getting back to the original "Underlying Medical Conditions" which were originally used to define increased risk,

Heart disease
Hypertension
Diabetes
COPD and other pulmonary issues
Cancer (likely due to immune compromise from chemo/radiation)
HIV/AIDS

While age and obesity have been brought up, repeatedly, the likelihood of the above conditions (except HIV/AIDS which is behaviourally controlled) generally increases with age and obesity, so if we look at why age and obesity are factors, we get back to those same underlying medical conditions. The only other factor might be that obesity increases the amount of inflammation present in the body, which may contribute to the overall potential for ARDS.

The other numbers ....Of 439 cases, and the 47 hospitalized, only 16 remained in hospital. Thirty one of those cases were resolved, and assuming the 9 folks who died were in hospital at the time, shows that 71% of those who went into the hospital and whose cases are resolved survived. Sixteen cases are pending, and those numbers could go either way, up or down.
Presently, of the 439 positive cases, 41% are resolved (181), 95% of those are recovered (172), and 59% are yet to be resolved.
There is no data on whether the Hydroxychloroquine/Z-pack/Zinc Sulfate regimen has been used, nor whether the treatments for HAPE (High Altitude Pulmonary Edema) have been used on critical patients exhibiting ARDS symptoms, so the efficacy of those courses of treatment cannnot be commented on in this context.

While 2% of those who tested positive in ND have died, and 59% of cases remain unresolved, the other number is this: 12,342 had been tested as of !!:00 CDT yesterday's report. Of those, 11903 tested negative. Only 3.6% tested positive, of those tested, of those tested, 0.07% have died of COVID-19.   
Trends:
It is too early to be breathing sighs of relief, here.
The number of active cases has been steadily increasing, leveling off every 4 days, after the 4 day interval peaks in new cases. The number of positive tests jumped by the greatest number of new cases just yesterday, by 46 new cases, though only 16 remain in hospital statewide. Overall, sharpest increases in new cases appear four days apart, and yesterday's reported peak was no exception (data up to April 16th).
While past performance is no indication of future returns, it is unlikely we have peaked here yet.
 
22 of 53 counties report no cases at all.
13 counties have only one, nine other counties from 2 to 5 cases.

Human factors:
Spread, as noticed after the initial case, has been generally along the I-94 corridor and the US 2 corridor, east/west transportation links.
The four major north/south highways I-29 in the East (Fargo to Grand Forks and north) Hwy52/281 between Jamestown and Devil's Lake, Highway 83 (Bismarck/Mandan to Minot) and Highway 85 (North from the State line w/S. Dakota to Williston and north) transect other counties also with cases, the exceptions being Benson County south of Devil's Lake, and Trail and Pembina counties in the East side of the State, the former between Fargo and Grand Forks (where people would fuel up and drive through, as a rule) and Pembina County being next to the Canadian Border, and likely not getting much non-local traffic since the outbreak.

The highest numbers of cases are in counties with cities with larger populations in the State, Fargo, Bismarck/Mandan, Dickinson along the I-94 corridor, and Grand Forks and Minot, along the  US 2 corridor.

Cass County, Where I-29 and I-94 cross at Fargo, has the highest number of confirmed cases, accounting for 42% of the cases in the State. Sixty nine percent are in counties along I-94.
 
There is no indication that there was spread associated with the first case known in the State, who was a rural resident in Ward county who self isolated and recovered at home.

Reopening the State for business: When it happens, will be data driven, and not on a set time frame, according to the announcements from the Governor and Dept of Health.
I'm fine with that over some arbitrary timeline, and would be okay with that on a county by county basis, even, with the caveat that some services may cause people to cross county lines and ultimately bring the infection to areas that currently do not have any cases at all.

[Smokin Joe]

I haven't, either, nor the other recommended vaccinations (pneumonia, shingles). No vaccination at all, in fact, since the last measles shot as a child, which gave me a mild case. In all my decades of life without a flu shot, I've actually had the flu fewer than three times.

I got the pneumonia vaccination in 2002, after I was hospitalized for the only time in my life with pneumonia. I have had the occasional bout with 'lung crud', but never been seriously ill since (thankfully), unless you count getting a basal cell carcinoma carved out of me.

[Hoodat]

My wife is a staunch anti-vaxer.  After our son was diagnosed with autism, she did A LOT of research.  Vaccines have never been a problem for me (although I do happen to have this sort of ADD-Asperger combo thingie going on). But I made the decision to stop getting them after a flu shot killed my next door neighbor last year.

I won't ever get another vaccine, even for this.  My son is OK now, but hasn't had another vaccine shot since age 2½.

[catfish1957]

My wife is a staunch anti-vaxer.  After our son was diagnosed with autism, she did A LOT of research.  Vaccines have never been a problem for me (although I do happen to have this sort of ADD-Asperger combo thingie going on). But I made the decision to stop getting them after a flu shot killed my next door neighbor last year.

I won't ever get another vaccine, even for this.  My son is OK now, but hasn't had another vaccine shot since age 2½.

I see your point, but I am not going to be totally comfortable in public until I get a vaccine.  My age, pre-existing, etc. 
I know of a death in my area, and I knew the guy.  It hit home for sure.

[DB]

My wife is a staunch anti-vaxer.  After our son was diagnosed with autism, she did A LOT of research.  Vaccines have never been a problem for me (although I do happen to have this sort of ADD-Asperger combo thingie going on). But I made the decision to stop getting them after a flu shot killed my next door neighbor last year.

I won't ever get another vaccine, even for this.  My son is OK now, but hasn't had another vaccine shot since age 2½.

Tetanus can be a big deal that shouldn't be ignored.

[Idiot]

Tetanus can be a big deal that shouldn't be ignored.

I got mine renewed when I put the nail through my hand....lol.

[Hoodat]

I haven't had a tetanus shot since the 90s.  Stepped on several nails since.

[Smokin Joe]

It is a given that the Chinese are evil,soulless bastards,so has anyone else considered the possibility that this virus is a result of the Chinese trying to create a vaccine they can use for their own troops before they set loose a deadlier virus on the world?

Since they may be among the least creative  people in the world,it backfired on them and their "vacinnation" got out of the lab and morphed into a virus,itself?

@sneakypete
I have had to fight the tendencies to go all tinfoil on this (Never go ALL Tinfoil*), but there is a possibility that this is a 'biowar lite' event, intentional or otherwise.

Given the 2015 paper was published about research carried out in North Carolina (in 2104), that the information was taken back to Wuhan to the Institute of Virology by two of the researchers, and SARS-CoV2 has many of the attributes of that research, there are a number of malevolent possibilities that come to mind.

By some accounts, however, the level of security at the BSL-4 lab in Wuhan left much to be desired, and accounts (which may be trying to kluge the 'wet market' fable with the lab origin to get something more generally politically palatable and less embarrassing than reality) even exist of selling lab animals to markets rather than destroying them as protocol required. (That way the CCP can blame greedy, counterrevolutionary, rule breaking capitalism for the outbreak instead of communist incompetence or a malicious release.)

With the most malicious intent, Can't make the CCP look bad, after all, and the round-eyed dogs aren't dropping like flies like they were supposed to... so...PLAn B 

Hanlon's Razor states: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."  Even though I have been cut on those Razors (Occam's comes to mind), barring clear and compelling evidence of malice constituting casus belli, it is unlikely that this incident will be anything but a footnote in the preface of the next great global conflict. 
There are a lot of steps left in that dance yet, and the band is still strumming away,


*arcane Tropic Thunder reference.

[Idiot]

I haven't had a tetanus shot since the 90s.  Stepped on several nails since.

I hadn't had one in over 10 years when I put the nail through my hand...naturally I was volunteering at the time.  I didn't think that much about it and continued to work.  When I got in my truck to head home I noticed my hand swelling big time, so headed to the Doc in the Box....$75 later all was good...lol. 

[Smokin Joe]

I haven't had a tetanus shot since the 90s.  Stepped on several nails since.

It's been at least ten years for me since I had a tetanus shot. They are supposed to last that long, and I had a bunch of them when I was younger.

[DB]

I haven't had a tetanus shot since the 90s.  Stepped on several nails since.

They last a long time.

[bigheadfred]

Doesn't sound weird to me, at all.  I've "spoken" with her on Bookface, a fantastic lady, for which you are a lucky man...no...a wealthy man.

This is a ghostship. And I am a mere passenger.

I asked a question a long time ago and I got an answer. That answer "took" eleven years.

I intentionally troll you all. Not out of malice. Not out of some deranged sense of satisfaction. And I use the word troll to intentionally cause a reaction to that word within the current general understanding.

My response to the answer of my question was the sound of silence. So I asked another question? Why will they  listen to me when they don't listen to themselves...to you? He told me you don't have to "tell" them. You have to "show" them.

My actions speak louder than words. Those actions did two things. One was to be reviled. The other was to be given a gift. Proof. Of LIFE. A girl. Deprived. Abused. A slave.

I have to preface this. I found out later that when I was in high school people thought I was gay. Because I didn't engage in the boys locker room talk of girls. And I didn't talk to girls like they were objects of desire. Even though that is what they "wanted". There was one girl I did take an interest in. Deprived. Abused. A slave. They called her "boogie". She dressed like a slut. She talked like a slut. Not because she was one. She was crying for help. She was/is the most intelligent female I have ever encountered. On a person to person basis. Part of that eleven year answer.

So now back to this.

Proof. Of LIFE. A girl. Deprived. Abused. A slave.

I try to make a joke. That I was driving home from work and here is this girl laying in the road. And I damned near spilled mt beer trying to not run over her. Picked her up, tossed her in the back of my truck, got her home, cleaned her up. She shined up really well. I say this in defense of her. Because that is what that town and even her parents thought of her.

I showed her the truth. That she is a magnificent person created by the LOVE of GOD.  Somewhere she decided I was worthy enough to be her husband. I'm good with that.

I am not lucky. I am not fortunate. I am not wealthy.

I have the opportunity. To share with great joy. The power of the LOVE OF GOD with a woman. My friend. My companion. My wife. When I say 'My" it is in noway implying or stating I have ownership over her. 

And as a reminder to all of you. If I refer to any female member of this board as a girl, it is out of respect. If I refer to any male on this board as a girl it is out of respect to forum guidelines. Because what I really mean is "you little bitch".

[DB]

@sneakypete
I have had to fight the tendencies to go all tinfoil on this (Never go ALL Tinfoil*), but there is a possibility that this is a 'biowar lite' event, intentional or otherwise.

Given the 2015 paper was published about research carried out in North Carolina (in 2104), that the information was taken back to Wuhan to the Institute of Virology by two of the researchers, and SARS-CoV2 has many of the attributes of that research, there are a number of malevolent possibilities that come to mind.

By some accounts, however, the level of security at the BSL-4 lab in Wuhan left much to be desired, and accounts (which may be trying to kluge the 'wet market' fable with the lab origin to get something more generally politically palatable and less embarrassing than reality) even exist of selling lab animals to markets rather than destroying them as protocol required. (That way the CCP can blame greedy, counterrevolutionary, rule breaking capitalism for the outbreak instead of communist incompetence or a malicious release.)

With the most malicious intent, Can't make the CCP look bad, after all, and the round-eyed dogs aren't dropping like flies like they were supposed to... so...PLAn B 

Hanlon's Razor states: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."  Even though I have been cut on those Razors (Occam's comes to mind), barring clear and compelling evidence of malice constituting casus belli, it is unlikely that this incident will be anything but a footnote in the preface of the next great global conflict. 
There are a lot of steps left in that dance yet, and the band is still strumming away,


*arcane Tropic Thunder reference.

There are way too many coincidences all pointing in the same direction. Combine that with the Chinese culture of cutting corners at virtually every opportunity to get ahead and you end up with an unintentional lab leak as the most likely source.

China needs to pay a very heavy cost for this. Their cheating and cutting corners has caused incalculable world wide damage this time around. They've had numerous rounds before but this one is at an entirely new level. Enough is enough.

[Hoodat]

@bigheadfred   Where did you score the mescalin?

[bigheadfred]

@bigheadfred   Where did you score the mescalin?

FU mister DEA

From @Cyber Liberty. Well, from his yard.

There is some wild shit going on down there.

Don't tell him that.

He'll de moat me.

The actual truth is my wife has enough Indian in her she has a connect to Leroy down on the Rez.

That's right. Bad, Bad Leroy Brown. Now you know mister DEA. Who is breaking bad.

[Smokin Joe]

There are way too many coincidences all pointing in the same direction. Combine that with the Chinese culture of cutting corners at virtually every opportunity to get ahead and you end up with an unintentional lab leak as the most likely source.

China needs to pay a very heavy cost for this. Their cheating and cutting corners has caused incalculable world wide damage this time around. They've had numerous rounds before but this one is at an entirely new level. Enough is enough.

Essentially, since we aren't in a shooting war, here, I think the repercussions could be a win-win for the US.

Primarily in trade and manufacturing.

We should rebuild our own manufacturing base, raw materials (ore) to finished product. From Rare Earths to base and precious metals, pharmaceuticals, steel stock to electronics, and especially with more things becoming interlaced and subject to remote access (5G), we should make our own and not trust a likely future adversary with controlling the manufacture of our specific technology nor access to that.

In the event of a shooting war, are we going to procure our materiel from a potential adversary? That which is necessary to the war effort from the front to at home?
Sending manufacturing offshore (building plants there) only sent capabilities and techniques with it that ultimately have dual use--after all, everyone during WWII here adapted.
(Singer sewing machine and Remington typewriter were making firearms. Auto manufacturers made tanks and heavy trucks, etc. ) But we had the iron ore and steel industry to back that up. The components for the radios were made here.

Even today, pillow manufacturers shifted to making masks.

This is a wake-up call.

Border security: Yes, sounds like a fine idea. Make it so. It will never be 100%, but that is no reason not to strive for 99.999%

National Security: Currently, virtually any foreign power can send students to the US to loot whatever information, research, and current knowledge and send it home.  Similarly, the loss of intellectual property to other powers' likely state sponsored robbery must be horrendous. It's time to reconsider how beholden our University system (especially STEM) is beholden to and infiltrated with foreign powers.

And it is time to get those in our government to start putting America First again.

[sneakypete]

There are way too many coincidences all pointing in the same direction. Combine that with the Chinese culture of cutting corners at virtually every opportunity to get ahead and you end up with an unintentional lab leak as the most likely source.

China needs to pay a very heavy cost for this. Their cheating and cutting corners has caused incalculable world wide damage this time around. They've had numerous rounds before but this one is at an entirely new level. Enough is enough.

@DB

I sure can't argue with that,but I have my doubts about it happening. China has bought and paid,and has the deposit slips and film to prove it,the western whores who walk the halls of government buildings instead of streets,and we can't take the Chinese down without the Chinese taking THEM down,also.

Which means,like with the Clinton's,no real investigation can ever be allowed to happen.

[bigheadfred]

Oddly enough.


What did it take for us to become  "energy" efficient? @Smokin Joe  @thackney  @IsailedawayfromFR  @catfish1957  @Hoodat

[Smokin Joe]

More solidly on topic.

Montana Doctor Blows the Whistle on the CDC’s Manipulated Coronavirus Figures
https://montanadailygazette.com/2020/04/07/montana-doctor-blows-the-whistle-on-the-cdcs-manipulated-coronavirus-figures/?fbclid=IwAR29P3pu6IvaL_0WfxXpd3E0g1OEwyJcoyaFnKXsfAg6slXr-w3yDZ8spEc

Scroll down for video comment by Montana physician Dr. Annie Bukacek, discussing how death data are being manipulated by CDC guidelines to inflate death statistics.

[Smokin Joe]

Oddly enough.


What did it take for us to become  "energy" efficient? @Smokin Joe  @thackney  @IsailedawayfromFR  @catfish1957  @Hoodat

More energy!  Then what we used didn't exceed what we had.

[bigheadfred]

Not 5G.  I will keep posting this. Any of your "g"s don't cause cancer.

Electrically independent, and electronic dependence.

Wifi doesn't cause cancer.

Every person's body is continually being attacked by "cancer" cells.

Every day.

Radiation destroys your immune system.

Different subject. Different day. Tomorrow...

[bigheadfred]

More energy!  Then what we used didn't exceed what we had.

Sooo... in an industrial application...when did that ever change?

Oh, nevermind.

Free global market Capitalism and the ending of domestic monopolization ended all our need to be industrial. Your eucking money invested in your IRA 401K is in the global economy. Except for 170million individual accounts that got lost in th latest global crash. But don't worry. Your check is in the mail.

[Elderberry]

Wifi doesn't cause cancer.

Unless you're a rat.

https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/whatwestudy/topics/cellphones/index.html?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=prod&utm_campaign=ntpgolinks&utm_term=cellphone

Cell Phone Radio Frequency Radiation

What did the studies find?

The NTP studies found that high exposure to RFR (900 MHz) used by cell phones was associated with:

    Clear evidence of tumors in the hearts of male rats. The tumors were malignant schwannomas.
    Some evidence of tumors in the brains of male rats. The tumors were malignant gliomas.
    Some evidence of tumors in the adrenal glands of male rats. The tumors were benign, malignant, or complex combined pheochromocytoma.

What are NTP’s future plans for studying cell phone RFR and 5G wireless technology?

5G is the emergent technology that will eventually overtake the existing 2G, 3G, and 4G technology. In the meantime, people will continue to be exposed to RFR in the 700–2700 MHz range. As the 5G network is implemented, some of the signals used by the 5G network will use the same lower frequencies used by the older technology previously studied by NTP, but the 5G network will also use higher frequencies—up to 60,000 MHz—thereby exposing wireless users to a much broader spectrum of frequencies. The higher frequencies, known as millimeter waves, can rapidly transmit enormous amounts of data with increased network capacity compared with current technologies. Millimeter waves do not travel as far and do not penetrate the body as deeply as do the wavelengths from the lower frequencies. Millimeter waves are likely to penetrate no deeper than the skin, whereas the lower frequencies have been shown to penetrate at least three to four inches into the human body.

[Elderberry]

When I was stationed on the Lex, some doctors from NAS Pensacola bummed an AN/SPS-12 radar manual from us. They had one they were going to use to perform RF tests on monkeys. It was a study for the ELF submarine communications system, to see how fried the people in Republic, MI  were going to be.

[bigheadfred]

When I was stationed on the Lex, some doctors from NAS Pensacola bummed an AN/SPS-12 radar manual from us. They had one they were going to use to perform RF tests on monkeys. It was a study for the ELF submarine communications system, to see how fried the people in Republic, MI  were going to be.

Through the FOIA there are documents, books, et al literature concerning radiation from any source.

Any source. I've read extensive papers on the subject. Cosmic, man-made, solar-generated. EARTH generated.

YOUR government knows the danger. The Capitalists KNOW the danger.

Best bet is to call or text too...additional fees, taxes, and other CHARGES may apply.

[Smokin Joe]

Unless you're a rat.

https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/whatwestudy/topics/cellphones/index.html?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=prod&utm_campaign=ntpgolinks&utm_term=cellphone

I formerly spent a couple of hours a day on cell phones out on wellsite, holding it next to the left side of my head. After the nickel-sized basal cell carcinoma was removed from the left side of my face, I have been using the speakerphone and sitting back...

[corbe]

[bigheadfred]

I formerly spent a couple of hours a day on cell phones out on wellsite, holding it next to the left side of my head. After the nickel-sized basal cell carcinoma was removed from the left side of my face, I have been using the speakerphone and sitting back...

weird

I have a landline. With an answering feature. And caller ID. The only reason I have it is that my wife says our kids need to be able to call 911. Facebook is faster than 911. It is a new phone. The last one we had got thrown out the backdoor and was killed by fire.

[Smokin Joe]

weird

I have a landline. With an answering feature. And caller ID. The only reason I have it is that my wife says our kids need to be able to call 911. Facebook is faster than 911. It is a new phone. The last one we had got thrown out the backdoor and was killed by fire.

We had landlines on the rigs for a while.. Two miles, sometimes more, sometimes less, of cable laid out to the nearest phone  pedestal, on the ground, cross country. That was okay until the cows got in the pasture and chewed the phone line up. Something about the insulation they could not resist...  I spent many hours out with a company hand walking the line looking for breaks.

Cell phones were mo better, and with a Yagi, you could hit towers 20+miles away with an old bag phone. When everything went digital, you had to get a booster/repeater and set that up. Last setup I had cost me about a grand...plus the phone. Now, the towers are everywhere.

[bigheadfred]

We had landlines on the rigs for a while.. Two miles, sometimes more, sometimes less, of cable laid out to the nearest phone  pedestal, on the ground, cross country. That was okay until the cows got in the pasture and chewed the phone line up. Something about the insulation they could not resist...  I spent many hours out with a company hand walking the line looking for breaks.

Cell phones were mo better, and with a Yagi, you could hit towers 20+miles away with an old bag phone. When everything went digital, you had to get a booster/repeater and set that up. Last setup I had cost me about a grand...plus the phone. Now, the towers are everywhere.

uh huh

The digital age changed me. 

NOT one effing byte.

Yeah, I get to tell you this, straight to your face, digitdigit.

But I never have had the need to say anything to you that meant anything because you already knew.

I will give the tech this. I live in North Dakota. And you live in Idaho.

[musiclady]

American Academy of Orthopedic Physicians - We are in This Together

Great message from the American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons.

This is NOT like anything else our medical community has faced.

THESE are the people we need to listen to.  THESE are the people who actually know what they're talking about and what is going on.

[Smokin Joe]

uh huh

The digital age changed me. 

NOT one effing byte.

Yeah, I get to tell you this, straight to your face, digitdigit.

But I never have had the need to say anything to you that meant anything because you already knew.

I will give the tech this. I live in North Dakota. And you live in Idaho.

For a while it seemed like every other license plate over here was an Idaho plate...

[bigheadfred]

For a while it seemed like every other license plate over here was an Idaho plate...

Those were just the missionaries.

Gotta do a test run. For all we know you would Soiux us.

[Smokin Joe]

Those were just the missionaries.

Gotta do a test run. For all we know you would Soiux us.

Nothing so drastic. The police even let them keep them on their vehicles, so long as they put them on upside down (So the cops wouldn't get a crick in their neck trying to read them when they found the pickup in the ditch).

[bigheadfred]

American Academy of Orthopedic Physicians - We are in This Together

Great message from the American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons.

This is NOT like anything else our medical community has faced.

THESE are the people we need to listen to.  THESE are the people who actually know what they're talking about and what is going on.

Thank you for the post--INFO.

Personally, the only people I listen to is one of me. I mean one of you.

[bigheadfred]

Nothing so drastic. The police even let them keep them on their vehicles, so long as they put them on upside down (So the cops wouldn't get a crick in their neck trying to read them when they found the pickup in the ditch).

Funny. Hey all of ya all ever seen a North Dakota license plate?

Neither have they...hahahaha

[Smokin Joe]

Funny. Hey all of ya all ever seen a North Dakota license plate?

Neither have they...hahahaha

Provided for reference purposes:



  (That's what they look like without any mud on them)

[Formerly Once-Ler]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=b59hL91k1UMAmerican Academy of Orthopedic Physicians - We are in This Together[/url]

Great message from the American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons.

This is NOT like anything else our medical community has faced.

THESE are the people we need to listen to.  THESE are the people who actually know what they're talking about and what is going on.

Thank you for posting that @musiclady .

[bigheadfred]

Provided for reference purposes:



  (That's what they look like without any mud on them)

HAhaha 

I got one of those in my last Publisher's Clearing House Sweepstakes entry forms.

[Smokin Joe]

HAhaha 

I got one of those in my last Publisher's Clearing House Sweepstakes entry forms.

Did it say" SAMPLE"?

[bigheadfred]

Did it say" SAMPLE"?

Yes. It did.  And I thought how cool is that? North Dakota adopted race/gender/income inequality in one word.

SAME PEOPLE. SAMPLE

And proudly displays it in every bulk junk mailing they can.

[DB]

An update on my niece. She's seems to be recovering.

Thank you for all the prayers and kind thoughts. It was/is appreciated.

[Cyber Liberty]

An update on my niece. She's seems to be recovering.

Thank you for all the prayers and kind thoughts. It was/is appreciated.

That's top notch, @DB!   

[Formerly Once-Ler]

An update on my niece. She's seems to be recovering.

Thank you for all the prayers and kind thoughts. It was/is appreciated.

Thanx @DB  for letting us know, and letting us help.  Honestly, it was one of the few things I did last week that I thought was worth doing, in and of itself.  Without getting in trouble for expounding the generally accepted restorative powers of prayer, as I'm sure you know, it restores me too.  I'm very happy your niece is well.

   

[Hoodat]

04-19-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	3.856 ↓	3.344 ↓
United States	1.750 ↑	10.822 ↓
China	16.630 ↓	1.074 ↑

US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 179,009
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 22.3 %  ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 67.4 %  ↑

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Zero new deaths reported in China.  However, reported recoveries in China fell by over 900.  Their propaganda statisticians are doing a poor job.

Situation looking better in the US today.  New cases down.  Deaths down.  Recoveries up.

[Hoodat]

Oddly enough.


What did it take for us to become  "energy" efficient? @Smokin Joe  @thackney  @IsailedawayfromFR  @catfish1957  @Hoodat

High energy prices.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Situation looking better in the US today.  New cases down.  Deaths down.  Recoveries up.

Wonderful news, thanx for the timely updates @Hoodat

[Formerly Once-Ler]

High energy prices.

Fracking technology, and seed money to develop electric cars.  Plus loosened restrictions on clean coal.  A plausible argument could be made on threats of oil tariffs but I'm not factually equipped to make that argument.

[Cyber Liberty]

Fracking technology, and seed money to develop electric cars.  Plus loosened restrictions on clean coal.  A plausible argument could be made on threats of oil tariffs but I'm not factually equipped to make that argument.

It's easier to be "energy independent when nobody can drive anywhere.  So, it's an ill wind that blows no good. 

[Formerly Once-Ler]

It's easier to be "energy independent when nobody can drive anywhere.  So, it's an ill wind that blows no good.

Oddly vague for you my friend.  Are you disagreeing with my comment @Cyber Liberty ?  Feel free, I'm no energy expert.

[Cyber Liberty]

Oddly vague for you my friend.  Are you disagreeing with my comment @Cyber Liberty ?  Feel free, I'm no energy expert.

I think your comment was fine.  I'm not an expert in that field, either.   

[Smokin Joe]

Fracking technology, and seed money to develop electric cars.  Plus loosened restrictions on clean coal.  A plausible argument could be made on threats of oil tariffs but I'm not factually equipped to make that argument.

No way electric cars would be economical without a combination of government kickbacks and high fuel prices.

You still have to get the electricity from somewhere, and without tilting the playing field with moving target regulations against traditional sources, the "alternative energy" sources would have never been funded, either, because the ROI would have been too small.

High prices led us to become more energy efficient, because the expenditure for the technology could be justified in terms of the cost to be less efficient.
When energy is cheap, the cost of developing technology to be more efficient is prohibitive.

[truth_seeker]

The scientist that first identified the "coronavirus"

June_Almeida


" Dalziel Almeida (5 October 1930 – 1 December 2007) was a Scottish virologist a pioneer in virus imaging, identification and diagnosis.[1] Her skills in electron microscopy earned her an international reputation.[2] In 1964, Almeida was recruited by St Thomas's Hospital Medical School in London. By 1967, she had earned her Doctor of Science (Sc.D.) on the basis of her research and the resulting publications, while working in Canada, at Toronto's Ontario Cancer Institute and then in London at St Thomas.[2] In 1967, she continued her research at the Royal Postgraduate Medical School (RPGMS),[2] which is now part of the Imperial College School of Medicine. She succeeded in identifying viruses that were previously unknown, including—in 1966—a previously unidentified group of viruses that was then named coronavirus.[Publications 1][3]:96 Her electron micrographs continue to be included in virology review textbooks, decades after she produced them"

snip

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_Almeida

[Hoodat]

No way electric cars would be economical without a combination of government kickbacks and high fuel prices.

You still have to get the electricity from somewhere, and without tilting the playing field with moving target regulations against traditional sources, the "alternative energy" sources would have never been funded, either, because the ROI would have been too small.

As long as the price of electricity is tied to the price of oil/gas, electricity will never be able to compete with either.  Liberals of course have made this happen by insisting electricity be generated from natural gas.

[Bigun]

Well, That Unraveled Quickly

Thinking back to February 28, 2020, and the New England Journal of Medicine. It published an article called “Covid-19 — Navigating the Uncharted” signed by Anthony S. Fauci (THE Fauci), Clifford Lane, and Robert R. Redfield.

It reported an existing COVID-19 case fatality rate of 2% but further pointed out that infections show “a wide spectrum of disease severity.” “If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%” or perhaps as high as the flu seasons of 1957 and 1968, but is nowhere near “a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.” To be sure, they said, mitigating the disease could require “isolating ill persons (including voluntary isolation at home), school closures, and telecommuting where possible.”

Now, what precisely happened between February 28 and two weeks later? This will be studied for many years to find out precisely how governors and mayors, through a series of unscientific, panicked, unjustified, and morally egregious actions, crushed under foot the world’s strongest economy while the media cheered. We’ll be discussing the whys and whats for a generation.

The point is that it is all unraveling as fast as it came. Donald Trump’s press conference on April 16, 2020, was clearly a turning point. In my ideal world, we would have officials up there telling the truth that the course we took as a nation was catastrophic in countless ways (except for all the panicked deregulation undertaken just so that the food and medicine could continue). But I’m realistic: we can hardly expect politicians to bow down and beg forgiveness.

Of course they will take credit for whatever good happens. I’m an idealist, not a utopian. The truth is that a virus doesn’t care about borders and it doesn’t obey government edicts. Even now, there is so much we do not know about this “invisible enemy” but we have learned vast amounts about the visible enemy...

Snip

Now, what precisely happened between February 28 and two weeks later? This will be studied for many years to find out precisely how governors and mayors, through a series of unscientific, panicked, unjustified, and morally egregious actions, crushed under foot the world’s strongest economy while the media cheered. We’ll be discussing the whys and whats for a generation.

Snip

In the meantime, we’ve seen things we never imagined possible, namely seemingly intelligent people howling for weeks for the nationalization of industry, the socialization of production, the imprisonment in our homes, the trillions in pointless spending, the unprecedented amounts of new money created by the Fed, and the countless other awful legal precedents set. The lawsuits will continue to be litigated for a decade.
The core realization we face right now is that it is not possible to stop and start an economy; nor is it possible to distinguish between essential and nonessential. The commercial society is a web in which everyone and everything is connected with everyone and everything else.

Excerpts: Rest at above link.

[txradioguy]

Well, That Unraveled Quickly

Thinking back to February 28, 2020, and the New England Journal of Medicine. It published an article called “Covid-19 — Navigating the Uncharted” signed by Anthony S. Fauci (THE Fauci), Clifford Lane, and Robert R. Redfield.

It reported an existing COVID-19 case fatality rate of 2% but further pointed out that infections show “a wide spectrum of disease severity.” “If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%” or perhaps as high as the flu seasons of 1957 and 1968, but is nowhere near “a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.” To be sure, they said, mitigating the disease could require “isolating ill persons (including voluntary isolation at home), school closures, and telecommuting where possible.”

Now, what precisely happened between February 28 and two weeks later? This will be studied for many years to find out precisely how governors and mayors, through a series of unscientific, panicked, unjustified, and morally egregious actions, crushed under foot the world’s strongest economy while the media cheered. We’ll be discussing the whys and whats for a generation.

The point is that it is all unraveling as fast as it came. Donald Trump’s press conference on April 16, 2020, was clearly a turning point. In my ideal world, we would have officials up there telling the truth that the course we took as a nation was catastrophic in countless ways (except for all the panicked deregulation undertaken just so that the food and medicine could continue). But I’m realistic: we can hardly expect politicians to bow down and beg forgiveness.

Of course they will take credit for whatever good happens. I’m an idealist, not a utopian. The truth is that a virus doesn’t care about borders and it doesn’t obey government edicts. Even now, there is so much we do not know about this “invisible enemy” but we have learned vast amounts about the visible enemy...

Snip

Snip

Excerpts: Rest at above link.

 

[txradioguy]

Alex Berenson
✔
@AlexBerenson
Replying to @AlexBerenson
It’s increasingly clear the focus on widespread testing (as opposed to widespread ANTIBODY testing) is a sideshow designed to delay reopening and take the focus away from the empty hospitals. It’s another version of wait two weeks.

2,928
7:51 AM - Apr 18, 2020

[skeeter]

Alex Berenson
✔
@AlexBerenson
Replying to @AlexBerenson
It’s increasingly clear the focus on widespread testing (as opposed to widespread ANTIBODY testing) is a sideshow designed to delay reopening and take the focus away from the empty hospitals. It’s another version of wait two weeks.

2,928
7:51 AM - Apr 18, 2020

Why not. By the time widespread testing is available and we find out the true mortality rate of this thing, people will no longer be seeing the Venetian Plague Doctor under the stairs. And will be looking for someone to blame for the reality of their economic condition.

That'll give the media plenty of time to build their narrative.

[catfish1957]

Alex Berenson
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@AlexBerenson
Replying to @AlexBerenson
It’s increasingly clear the focus on widespread testing (as opposed to widespread ANTIBODY testing) is a sideshow designed to delay reopening and take the focus away from the empty hospitals. It’s another version of wait two weeks.

2,928
7:51 AM - Apr 18, 2020

I think a scoreboard and factoid post is in order-----

(1) This is serious deadly virus.  There is no way to candycoat it.  We as a society are not used to calamities like this.   However......
(2) The 1918-1919 Flu Pandemic killed 10% of the world
(3) The COVID-19 curve has been flattened world wide since April 1, which maybe at worst case half of fatalities are enumerated.  If you double the fatalies registered, Mortality (Death) percentage of the world will be .0035%..  Meaning the true lethality of the 1918 Flu was nearly 2900X this one.
(4) IN 1918, society had enough common sense to know that the collateral damage of shutdown of society would be worse than the disease itself.
(5) ONLY the most naive do not recognize that this pandemic has had a huge element of political manipulation.  The level of desperation and dispicable has never been equalled in our history.  There should be nationwide condemnation of the info cartel (Big Tech, MSM, Dimocrats, NWO lackeys) They have exploited peoples livelyhoods and wealth for political gain.  Beyond disgusting.

[Hoodat]

Alex Berenson
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@AlexBerenson
Replying to @AlexBerenson
It’s increasingly clear the focus on widespread testing (as opposed to widespread ANTIBODY testing) is a sideshow designed to delay reopening and take the focus away from the empty hospitals. It’s another version of wait two weeks.

2,928
7:51 AM - Apr 18, 2020

Yep.

[Idiot]

I think a scoreboard and factoid post is in order-----

(1) This is serious deadly virus.  There is no way to candycoat it.  We as a society are not used to calamities like this.   However......
(2) The 1918-1919 Flu Pandemic killed 10% of the world
(3) The COVID-19 curve has been flattened world wide since April 1, which maybe at worst case half of fatalities are enumerated.  If you double the fatalies registered, Mortality (Death) percentage of the world will be .0035%..  Meaning the true lethality of the 1918 Flu was nearly 2900X this one.
(4) IN 1918, society had enough common sense to know that the collateral damage of shutdown of society would be worse than the disease itself.
(5) ONLY the most naive do not recognize that this pandemic has had a huge element of political manipulation.  The level of desperation and dispicable has never been equalled in our history.  There should be nationwide condemnation of the info cartel (Big Tech, MSM, Dimocrats, NWO lackeys) They have exploited peoples livelyhoods and wealth for political gain.  Beyond disgusting.

Even though you are probably correct.....

We were seeing on the news European countries closing down.  Italy hauling bodies down the street in military vehicles to be buried.  Not to mention the devastation in China, them welding doors shut on apartment buildings, the crematoriums running full speed.  All of this was happening and our people were seeing this as it was happening.  There was plenty of fear being spread. Every country shut down....not just ours. 

It may turn out that we did the wrong thing, then other countries did as well.  This virus is DEADLY to our seniors and those with compromised health. 

Like I say...you may end up being correct.  We erred on trying to save lives?  Human lives matter, that's why Christian's so despise abortion.

This shutdown cost Joe and I our jobs....at least temporarily (Lord willing).  Hits to our retirement nest eggs, our freedoms....  Was it worth it?  I take care of my 90 yr old mom....for me personally it was worth it.  For others.... I don't know. 

[Hoodat]

Nothing justifies suspension of our federal and state constitutions.  Nothing.

[txradioguy]

Nothing justifies suspension of our federal and state constitutions.  Nothing.

Exactly.  And not that it looks like the goal posts for when things are going back to normal are on roller skates...the Liberals and the egg heads advising Trump could stretch this out to infinity two weeks at a time.

"Just give us two more weeks..."

[Bigun]

Even though you are probably correct.....

We were seeing on the news European countries closing down.  Italy hauling bodies down the street in military vehicles to be buried.  Not to mention the devastation in China, them welding doors shut on apartment buildings, the crematoriums running full speed.  All of this was happening and our people were seeing this as it was happening.  There was plenty of fear being spread. Every country shut down....not just ours. 

It may turn out that we did the wrong thing, then other countries did as well.  This virus is DEADLY to our seniors and those with compromised health. 

Like I say...you may end up being correct.  We erred on trying to save lives?  Human lives matter, that's why Christian's so despise abortion.

This shutdown cost Joe and I our jobs....at least temporarily (Lord willing).  Hits to our retirement nest eggs, our freedoms....  Was it worth it?  I take care of my 90 yr old mom....for me personally it was worth it.  For others.... I don't know.

What about the futures of our children and grandchildren @mrpotatohead? I know you love your mother but there ARE other considerations MANY other considerations.

[Bigun]

Nothing justifies suspension of our federal and state constitutions.  Nothing.

Yet it has happened and I'll assure you it will again unless drastic measures are taken.

[txradioguy]

Now there is talk this is seasonal like...dare I say it...the flu.

Are we seriously going to shut everything in this country down and live like prisoners in our own homes and live in fear of personal and business bankruptcy every January through June?

Enough is enough people.  It's time commons sense made a comeback and we get back to leading our lives and stop living in a manufactured fear waiting for a thumbs up or thumbs down from our overlords.

[skeeter]

Even though you are probably correct.....

We were seeing on the news European countries closing down.  Italy hauling bodies down the street in military vehicles to be buried.  Not to mention the devastation in China, them welding doors shut on apartment buildings, the crematoriums running full speed.  All of this was happening and our people were seeing this as it was happening.  There was plenty of fear being spread. Every country shut down....not just ours. 

It may turn out that we did the wrong thing, then other countries did as well.  This virus is DEADLY to our seniors and those with compromised health. 

Like I say...you may end up being correct.  We erred on trying to save lives?  Human lives matter, that's why Christian's so despise abortion.

This shutdown cost Joe and I our jobs....at least temporarily (Lord willing).  Hits to our retirement nest eggs, our freedoms....  Was it worth it?  I take care of my 90 yr old mom....for me personally it was worth it.  For others.... I don't know.

We'll never really know - unless someone undertakes to quantify the human costs of the shutdown. For example I recently heard Bill Bennett cite a statistic (he didn't provide a source) that for every percentage point drop in employment the annual suicide rate increases by 10k.

Dunno if this is true but undoubtedly there is a correlation.

[catfish1957]

Even though you are probably correct.....

We were seeing on the news European countries closing down.  Italy hauling bodies down the street in military vehicles to be buried.  Not to mention the devastation in China, them welding doors shut on apartment buildings, the crematoriums running full speed.  All of this was happening and our people were seeing this as it was happening.  There was plenty of fear being spread. Every country shut down....not just ours. 

It may turn out that we did the wrong thing, then other countries did as well.  This virus is DEADLY to our seniors and those with compromised health. 

Like I say...you may end up being correct.  We erred on trying to save lives?  Human lives matter, that's why Christian's so despise abortion.

This shutdown cost Joe and I our jobs....at least temporarily (Lord willing).  Hits to our retirement nest eggs, our freedoms....  Was it worth it?  I take care of my 90 yr old mom....for me personally it was worth it.  For others.... I don't know.

You bring up great points.  Seperating humanity from cold sad morbid facts is really hard to do.  I was even more of hardened statistican of this event, until one of my son's teachers (younger than I am) caught the disease and died.  He was a very dedicated wonderful educator, who loved his job and the children he taught.  A terrible loss to our community.

But at some point of time, you have to look at the well being of our society as a whole versus the sadness of individual losses.  I know that may seem heartless, but just remember how our European ancestors dealt with Black Death almost 700 years ago.  This is nothing like 1918, and not even in the most remote way like 1350 when half of our population was wiped out.

Simply, we as a society need to make sure that the cure is not more deadly than the disease itself.

[Gemmarose]

When the State tells you it's safe to go to Home Depot to buy a sponge but dangerous to go and buy a flower, it's not about your health.

When the State shuts down millions of private businesses but doesn’t lay off a single government employee, it's not about your health.

When the State bans dentists because its unsafe, but deems abortion visit is safe, it's not about your health.

When the State prevents you from buying cucumber seeds because it's dangerous, but allows in person lottery ticket sales, it's not about your health.

When the State tells you it's dangerous to go golf alone, fish alone or be in a motor boat alone, but the Governor can get his stage make up done, and hair done for 5 TV appearances a week, it's not about your health.

When the state puts you IN a jail cell you for walking in a park with your child because it’s too dangerous but lets criminals OUT of jail cells for their health- It’s not about YOUR health!

When the state tells you it’s too dangerous to get treated by a doctor of chiropractic or physical therapy treatments yet deems a liquor store essential- It’s not about your health!

When the State lets you go to the grocery store or hardware store but is demanding mail-in voting, ITS NOT ABOUT YOUR HEALTH.

WAKE UP PEOPLE — If you think this is all about your health you’re mistaken! Please open your eyes! Stop being lead like blind sheep.

[sneakypete]

Even though you are probably correct.....

We were seeing on the news European countries closing down.  Italy hauling bodies down the street in military vehicles to be buried.  Not to mention the devastation in China, them welding doors shut on apartment buildings, the crematoriums running full speed.  All of this was happening and our people were seeing this as it was happening.  There was plenty of fear being spread. Every country shut down....not just ours. 

It may turn out that we did the wrong thing, then other countries did as well.  This virus is DEADLY to our seniors and those with compromised health. 

Like I say...you may end up being correct.  We erred on trying to save lives?  Human lives matter, that's why Christian's so despise abortion.

This shutdown cost Joe and I our jobs....at least temporarily (Lord willing).  Hits to our retirement nest eggs, our freedoms....  Was it worth it?  I take care of my 90 yr old mom....for me personally it was worth it.  For others.... I don't know.

@mrpotatohead

I will never be convinced the Chinese didn't "accidentally release this virus on purpose" parts I put in bold above were not the reasons it was released. They have millions of old and weak citizens they have to provide food,clothing,and shelter for,and the Chinese are NOT know for having a strong streak of humanity or kindness.

Just look at all the money they will save over the next few years from not having to feed,clothe,house,and provide medial care for all those people who were unable to work in their factories and produce junk to sell to the west.

[Bigun]

When the State tells you it's safe to go to Home Depot to buy a sponge but dangerous to go and buy a flower, it's not about your health.

When the State shuts down millions of private businesses but doesn’t lay off a single government employee, it's not about your health.

When the State bans dentists because its unsafe, but deems abortion visit is safe, it's not about your health.

When the State prevents you from buying cucumber seeds because it's dangerous, but allows in person lottery ticket sales, it's not about your health.

When the State tells you it's dangerous to go golf alone, fish alone or be in a motor boat alone, but the Governor can get his stage make up done, and hair done for 5 TV appearances a week, it's not about your health.

When the state puts you IN a jail cell you for walking in a park with your child because it’s too dangerous but lets criminals OUT of jail cells for their health- It’s not about YOUR health!

When the state tells you it’s too dangerous to get treated by a doctor of chiropractic or physical therapy treatments yet deems a liquor store essential- It’s not about your health!

When the State lets you go to the grocery store or hardware store but is demanding mail-in voting, ITS NOT ABOUT YOUR HEALTH.

WAKE UP PEOPLE — If you think this is all about your health you’re mistaken! Please open your eyes! Stop being lead like blind sheep.

  @Gemmarose!

[sneakypete]

Now there is talk this is seasonal like...dare I say it...the flu.

Are we seriously going to shut everything in this country down and live like prisoners in our own homes and live in fear of personal and business bankruptcy every January through June?

@txradioguy

Maybe they will only make us do that every other year,once we have proven we can behave?

[catfish1957]

@txradioguy

Maybe they will only make us do that every other year,once we have proven we can behave?

Ever notice the term "Martial Law" has not been bantered around a lot more through the country?

I know it might not meet the Merriam-Webster standards...   But.......

[skeeter]

When the State tells you it's safe to go to Home Depot to buy a sponge but dangerous to go and buy a flower, it's not about your health.

When the State shuts down millions of private businesses but doesn’t lay off a single government employee, it's not about your health.

When the State bans dentists because its unsafe, but deems abortion visit is safe, it's not about your health.

When the State prevents you from buying cucumber seeds because it's dangerous, but allows in person lottery ticket sales, it's not about your health.

When the State tells you it's dangerous to go golf alone, fish alone or be in a motor boat alone, but the Governor can get his stage make up done, and hair done for 5 TV appearances a week, it's not about your health.

When the state puts you IN a jail cell you for walking in a park with your child because it’s too dangerous but lets criminals OUT of jail cells for their health- It’s not about YOUR health!

When the state tells you it’s too dangerous to get treated by a doctor of chiropractic or physical therapy treatments yet deems a liquor store essential- It’s not about your health!

When the State lets you go to the grocery store or hardware store but is demanding mail-in voting, ITS NOT ABOUT YOUR HEALTH.

WAKE UP PEOPLE — If you think this is all about your health you’re mistaken! Please open your eyes! Stop being lead like blind sheep.

 

[corbe]

[catfish1957]

When the State tells you it's safe to go to Home Depot to buy a sponge but dangerous to go and buy a flower, it's not about your health.

When the State shuts down millions of private businesses but doesn’t lay off a single government employee, it's not about your health.

When the State bans dentists because its unsafe, but deems abortion visit is safe, it's not about your health.

When the State prevents you from buying cucumber seeds because it's dangerous, but allows in person lottery ticket sales, it's not about your health.

When the State tells you it's dangerous to go golf alone, fish alone or be in a motor boat alone, but the Governor can get his stage make up done, and hair done for 5 TV appearances a week, it's not about your health.

When the state puts you IN a jail cell you for walking in a park with your child because it’s too dangerous but lets criminals OUT of jail cells for their health- It’s not about YOUR health!

When the state tells you it’s too dangerous to get treated by a doctor of chiropractic or physical therapy treatments yet deems a liquor store essential- It’s not about your health!

When the State lets you go to the grocery store or hardware store but is demanding mail-in voting, ITS NOT ABOUT YOUR HEALTH.

WAKE UP PEOPLE — If you think this is all about your health you’re mistaken! Please open your eyes! Stop being lead like blind sheep.

Great list.  Wanna add another one?  See how many states with recreational marijuana have allowed them to continue as an essential business  (I think all of them)

[Hoodat]

Now there is talk this is seasonal like...dare I say it...the flu.

Are we seriously going to shut everything in this country down and live like prisoners in our own homes and live in fear of personal and business bankruptcy every January through June?

Not every Jan-June.  Only the ones in election years where Republicans are in office.  The only way the Dems captured the White House last time was by intentionally tanking the economy in 2007-2008 with the shenanigans at deep state Fannie Mae.

[Idiot]

When the State tells you it's safe to go to Home Depot to buy a sponge but dangerous to go and buy a flower, it's not about your health.

When the State shuts down millions of private businesses but doesn’t lay off a single government employee, it's not about your health.
Very true, Texas state workers worked from the house.  Even our local govt employees were furloughed but got paychecks.

When the State bans dentists because its unsafe, but deems abortion visit is safe, it's not about your health.

Denists continued to work here, but emergency cases only

When the State prevents you from buying cucumber seeds because it's dangerous, but allows in person lottery ticket sales, it's not about your health.
I purchased tomato plants locally, plus squash seeds, which I'm fixing to walk out the door to plant today.

When the State tells you it's dangerous to go golf alone, fish alone or be in a motor boat alone, but the Governor can get his stage make up done, and hair done for 5 TV appearances a week, it's not about your health.
My neighbor has played golf everyday with his group.  Good luck stopping someone from going fishing here, they'd better be heavily armed.

When the state puts you IN a jail cell you for walking in a park with your child because it’s too dangerous but lets criminals OUT of jail cells for their health- It’s not about YOUR health!
I haven't heard of that happening in Texas, at least not locally.

When the state tells you it’s too dangerous to get treated by a doctor of chiropractic or physical therapy treatments yet deems a liquor store essential- It’s not about your health!
My dear old 90 yr old mom has a regular Dr.'s appointment on monday.

When the State lets you go to the grocery store or hardware store but is demanding mail-in voting, ITS NOT ABOUT YOUR HEALTH.
Agree 100%!!!

WAKE UP PEOPLE — If you think this is all about your health you’re mistaken! Please open your eyes! Stop being lead like blind sheep.

[bigheadfred]

When the State tells you it's safe to go to Home Depot to buy a sponge but dangerous to go and buy a flower, it's not about your health.

When the State shuts down millions of private businesses but doesn’t lay off a single government employee, it's not about your health.

When the State bans dentists because its unsafe, but deems abortion visit is safe, it's not about your health.

When the State prevents you from buying cucumber seeds because it's dangerous, but allows in person lottery ticket sales, it's not about your health.

When the State tells you it's dangerous to go golf alone, fish alone or be in a motor boat alone, but the Governor can get his stage make up done, and hair done for 5 TV appearances a week, it's not about your health.

When the state puts you IN a jail cell you for walking in a park with your child because it’s too dangerous but lets criminals OUT of jail cells for their health- It’s not about YOUR health!

When the state tells you it’s too dangerous to get treated by a doctor of chiropractic or physical therapy treatments yet deems a liquor store essential- It’s not about your health!

When the State lets you go to the grocery store or hardware store but is demanding mail-in voting, ITS NOT ABOUT YOUR HEALTH.

WAKE UP PEOPLE — If you think this is all about your health you’re mistaken! Please open your eyes! Stop being lead like blind sheep.

 

[mountaineer]

Face masks:
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[Hoodat]

Face masks:
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Very well done.  (And in only a minute)

[sneakypete]

Ever notice the term "Martial Law" has not been bantered around a lot more through the country?

I know it might not meet the Merriam-Webster standards...   But.......

@catfish1957 @Gemmarose

I am not so certain that riots were not a part of the Pelosi/Dim plan,so they could be justified in trying to declare martial law and put off the elections.

[sneakypete]

@skeeter

ALL excellent points,but MY favorite is keeping the liquor stores open.

Ifn ah wuz thu spicious tipe,ah wood spect dey wuz hopin fo drunkin riotors too juztifie martial law.

ANYTHING to give them an excuse to delay the elections.

[skeeter]

@skeeter

ALL excellent points,but MY favorite is keeping the liquor stores open.

Ifn ah wuz thu spicious tipe,ah wood spect dey wuz hopin fo drunkin riotors too juztifie martial law.

ANYTHING to give them an excuse to delay the elections.

Drunken voters = drunken rioters. They don't have to delay elections if they can get everyone to buy their 'stay safe - vote from home' garbage.

[sneakypete]

Drunken voters = drunken rioters. They don't have to delay elections if they can get everyone to buy their 'stay safe - vote from home' garbage.

@skeeter
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Yeah,they do. Even THEY don't want Slow Joe heading the ticket.

[skeeter]

@skeeter
.
Yeah,they do. Even THEY don't want Slow Joe heading the ticket.

Biden is their worst nightmare or their dream come true.

One thing we do know is in his present condition he will NOT finish a four year term. It's true he'll be blown away in a fair election, in a stolen one he represents the ONLY way AOC can get a proper 'progressive' in the White House.

[Cyber Liberty]

Biteme is as exciting as a glass of water...without the actual glass.

[sneakypete]

Biden is their worst nightmare or their dream come true.

One thing we do know is in his present condition he will NOT finish a four year term. It's true he'll be blown away in a fair election, in a stolen one he represents the ONLY way AOC can get a proper 'progressive' in the White House.

@skeeter

One way or another,Biden is their ticket to get the election delayed. Maybe even rescheduled,depending on who they can slip under the wire as his VP running mate.

I fully expect it to be Bubbette! Clinton,but it could be some other globalist leftie. Depends on how well both Slow Joe and she are holding up as the campaign begins.

Bubbette! has a proven track record of corruption and can be trusted by the Globalists,so I suspect they would prefer to just have him resign due to health reasons,and her to step forward to take the crown.

If the Supremes step in and say a new primary is called for,it will probably be someone else because that drunken old bitch just can't hold up long enough to survive a full campaign.

[libertybele]

Well, here it is...most of the country is advised to be on lockdown for at least another month to six weeks.  I think this is a tad ridiculous -- this is going by state.  11 cases in my zip code of appx. 30,000.  753 cases in my county at of appx. 750,000.   That's 1% or less.  I've been sheltered in for quite awhile. We are supposed to peak around next Tues.  I'm done hibernating.

Another month? Computer modelers estimate how much longer coronavirus shutdowns should last

[skeeter]

Well, here it is...most of the country is advised to be on lockdown for at least another month to six weeks.  I think this is a tad ridiculous -- this is going by state.  11 cases in my zip code of appx. 30,000.  753 cases in my county at of appx. 750,000.   That's 1% or less.  I've been sheltered in for quite awhile. We are supposed to peak around next Tues.  I'm done hibernating.

Another month? Computer modelers estimate how much longer coronavirus shutdowns should last

Pull that smokewagon, see what happens. The powers that be are inviting widespread civil disobedience.

[musiclady]

Well, here it is...most of the country is advised to be on lockdown for at least another month to six weeks.  I think this is a tad ridiculous -- this is going by state.  11 cases in my zip code of appx. 30,000.  753 cases in my county at of appx. 750,000.   That's 1% or less.  I've been sheltered in for quite awhile. We are supposed to peak around next Tues.  I'm done hibernating.

Another month? Computer modelers estimate how much longer coronavirus shutdowns should last

Well Ohio is starting to open up May 1, no matter what the "modelers" say.

Other states need to do what's best for their states........ not what some modeler says.

btw, the numbers will keep going up simply because the testing is increasing.  It doesn't (necessarily) mean there are more cases....... just that they're being identified.

[Hoodat]

We are supposed to peak around next Tues.  I'm done hibernating.

There can't be a peak while everyone is isolated.

[Lando Lincoln]

Couple of honest questions:

--  Is anyone familiar with Fr. Rashid Buttar?  Is he at all credible?

--  What is known about the Next News Network? 

The reason I ask is there is stuff going viral (no pun intended) though these channels.  I have watched some of it and, at times, seems on the mark.  Buttar can go off on tangents but, wow, he can express himself.

Any insights?  Here is an example:


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If I have missed previous discussions of this guy, I apologize.

[Cyber Liberty]

Well, here it is...most of the country is advised to be on lockdown for at least another month to six weeks.  I think this is a tad ridiculous -- this is going by state.  11 cases in my zip code of appx. 30,000.  753 cases in my county at of appx. 750,000.   That's 1% or less.  I've been sheltered in for quite awhile. We are supposed to peak around next Tues.  I'm done hibernating.

Another month? Computer modelers estimate how much longer coronavirus shutdowns should last

Are these the same "modelers" who predicted a potential high of 2 Million dead Americans?  One good thing about the models that have been produced WRT COVID is they have severely weakened the arguments for "Climate Change" models.

Somebody's on crack if they think AZ and UT will be among the last to open.

[Hoodat]

[Lando Lincoln]

Well, here it is...most of the country is advised to be on lockdown for at least another month to six weeks.  I think this is a tad ridiculous -- this is going by state.  11 cases in my zip code of appx. 30,000.  753 cases in my county at of appx. 750,000.   That's 1% or less.  I've been sheltered in for quite awhile. We are supposed to peak around next Tues.  I'm done hibernating.

Another month? Computer modelers estimate how much longer coronavirus shutdowns should last

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Makes no sense to me.  I understand Montana being modeled to open early but then they have the Dakotas among the latest. 

[corbe]

 

[truth_seeker]

@skeeter

ALL excellent points,but MY favorite is keeping the liquor stores open.

The most certain way to move from peaceful civil demonstration, to violence would be closin'the liquor stores.

I think in some places there would be violence in a couple of hours or less.

Hoodlums in the hood, the bario, etc.

And rednecks too.

Gimme my drink, dammit

[libertybele]

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Makes no sense to me.  I understand Montana being modeled to open early but then they have the Dakotas among the latest.

The Dakotas are a hot spot due to so many testing positive at Smithfield meat.

[truth_seeker]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashid_Buttar

Decide for yourself.

I know a DO from his medical college

[Smokin Joe]

Even though you are probably correct.....

We were seeing on the news European countries closing down.  Italy hauling bodies down the street in military vehicles to be buried.  Not to mention the devastation in China, them welding doors shut on apartment buildings, the crematoriums running full speed.  All of this was happening and our people were seeing this as it was happening.  There was plenty of fear being spread. Every country shut down....not just ours. 

It may turn out that we did the wrong thing, then other countries did as well.  This virus is DEADLY to our seniors and those with compromised health. 

Like I say...you may end up being correct.  We erred on trying to save lives?  Human lives matter, that's why Christian's so despise abortion.

This shutdown cost Joe and I our jobs....at least temporarily (Lord willing).  Hits to our retirement nest eggs, our freedoms....  Was it worth it?  I take care of my 90 yr old mom....for me personally it was worth it.  For others.... I don't know.

I have lost jobs before. Adapt, improvise, survive. It could be worse.
There are hundreds of others in worse shape than I am in, who had no reserves of anything, and were living a lot closer to the bone. I carry enough reserve that I could get by on iron rations for a couple of months before my BMI is where the doctors claim it is supposed to be, but so far won't have to.

North Dakota's big jump in cases occurred at a wind power turbine blade manufacturing facility in Grand Forks County, now shut down for two weeks with pay, contact tracing in effect, etc., additional testing to come.

The three most populous counties, by virtue of containing the three largest cities, are the hotspots, accounting for 70% of the cases statewide. The 10th person to die from the virus was in their 70s, 100% of those who died had underlying medical conditions.  While new cases dropped over yesterday, we may not have had our peak yet, and only much more widespread testing will indicate how many have had the disease.

Those counties are well removed from where I live, on the west side of the state; we still have fewer than 10 verified cases here in this county. Twenty one of the State's fifty three counties report no cases at all.

[Smokin Joe]

The Dakotas are a hot spot due to so many testing positive at Smithfield meat.

That's South Dakota. In North Dakota, the surge in cases comes from a wind turbine blade manufacturing plant in Grand Forks county which employs 900 people. The plant is shut down for 14 days, additional testing is occurring as is contact tracing, and the employees are being paid.

[Hoodat]

That's South Dakota. In North Dakota, the surge in cases comes from a wind turbine blade manufacturing plant in Grand Forks county which employs 900 people.

Nine hundred people?  That's half the state.

[Lando Lincoln]

That's South Dakota. In North Dakota, the surge in cases comes from a wind turbine blade manufacturing plant in Grand Forks county which employs 900 people. The plant is shut down for 14 days, additional testing is occurring as is contact tracing, and the employees are being paid.

I wasn’t aware of the turbine blade plant. Thanks for that. So far, both my sons continue to work.

[Smokin Joe]

Nine hundred people?  That's half the state.

I doubt there has been any time since the ice sheets melted off that there have only been 1800 people here.

We could always send back all those guys with the upside down plates, though. 

[Smokin Joe]

I wasn’t aware of the turbine blade plant. Thanks for that. So far, both my sons continue to work.

Good for them!

With drilling rigs hitting the weeds daily, there isn't much happening here.

[corbe]

The most certain way to move from peaceful civil demonstration, to violence would be closin'the liquor stores.

I think in some places there would be violence in a couple of hours or less.

Hoodlums in the hood, the bario, etc.

And rednecks too.

Gimme my drink, dammit

A hundred years later and I still live in the Fed's Head.

[Victoria33]

There can't be a peak while everyone is isolated.

@mystery-ak
@Once-Ler
@Cyber Liberty

@Hoodat, you are right.  There are peaks showing up now for those who got the virus before people were shut in.  These many thousands of cases started with one case in the state of Washington.  Streets are now empty but the virus is still here.  Once people get together, streets are filled, one with the virus will again infect the country.

Scientists say we must test every person so the virus will not spread again - that is over 350 million people.  That is the old fellow in the corner of the bar/tavern, who plays pool with his friends, picking up and laying down the cue ball as his friends are doing.  One of them has the virus. Old fellow has a wife that never misses church on Sunday or the Bible class on Wednesday with her friends.  Some days later, not months, it is over the country.

I have thought, not of politics and blaming this one or that one, but what may happen in the future when people are "freed".  All these millions will not be tested before "freedom", or shortly after.  It cannot be done.  When the virus is out again, people dying, stacks of dead bodies like we have now, it will go back to politics, Trump saying the states did not do it right, states saying it is Trump's fault for not enough tests, and bodies will stack up higher.  When will it end; how will it end?

In my opinion, this is Biblical - it is one of the plagues over the whole world forecast to happen in the end days.  Jesus returns with the sound of a Trump - we have one of those in our White House.  Bless all of you, and stay home.

[libertybele]

Dr. David Katz: Coronavirus vaccine or herd immunity are only ways life can fully return to normal

Dr. David Katz, the founding director of the Yale-Griffin Prevention Research Center in Connecticut, has warned that while social distancing is helping to mitigate the spread of the coronavirus, it is also preventing the development of the "herd immunity" needed by the public to resume their normal lives before a vaccine is developed.

Katz cited the case of some Asian nations who appeared to stop the spread with lockdown-style mitigation strategies, only to see an increase in cases once restrictions were relaxed.

"That's what will happen if you lock everybody away from everybody else and kind of wait until things get better and then let everybody out into the world," Katz told "Life, Liberty & Levin" in an interview airing Sunday.

"The virus is still out there," Katz added. "We don't have antibodies. We'll just get it later."

Katz and host Mark Levin discussed the concept of "herd immunity," essentially collective resistance to a virus built up by people moving about, becoming infected, and recovering -- thereby naturally developing antibodies to inhibit further spreading the virus among the population.

As an example of herd immunity, Katz told Levin that if the doctor developed antibodies but Levin did not because he was not part of the "herd," he could not contract the virus from Katz because the doctor doesn't have it.

"If all you do is flatten the curve, you don't prevent deaths or severe cases. You just change the dates. We don't want to do that," said Katz..................

https://www.foxnews.com/media/david-katz-coronavirus-vaccine-herd-immunity

[Victoria33]

@Once-Ler
@mystery-ak
@Cyber Liberty

My son and his intended, have an apartment in London and own a condo in Cardiff, Wales; Wales is a separate country, not part of the UK.  We have used Skype every other day to keep up with what is happening in both countries.  The two countries, Wales/UK started out with a goal of "Herd Mentality".  So many were dying, the governments changed and ordered people to stay home.

Today, he said the countries will start on May 11 with a plan to open the countries.  He sent a chart to me of how this will happen.  @Cyber Liberty, I can email you the chart and you can post it if you want.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

@mystery-ak
@Once-Ler
@Cyber Liberty

@Hoodat, you are right.  There are peaks showing up now for those who got the virus before people were shut in.  These many thousands of cases started with one case in the state of Washington.  Streets are now empty but the virus is still here.  Once people get together, streets are filled, one with the virus will again infect the country.

Scientists say we must test every person so the virus will not spread again - that is over 350 million people.  That is the old fellow in the corner of the bar/tavern, who plays pool with his friends, picking up and laying down the cue ball as his friends are doing.  One of them has the virus. Old fellow has a wife that never misses church on Sunday or the Bible class on Wednesday with her friends.  Some days later, not months, it is over the country.

I have thought, not of politics and blaming this one or that one, but what may happen in the future when people are "freed".  All these millions will not be tested before "freedom", or shortly after.  It cannot be done.  When the virus is out again, people dying, stacks of dead bodies like we have now, it will go back to politics, Trump saying the states did not do it right, states saying it is Trump's fault for not enough tests, and bodies will stack up higher.  When will it end; how will it end?

In my opinion, this is Biblical - it is one of the plagues over the whole world forecast to happen in the end days.  Jesus returns with the sound of a Trump - we have one of those in our White House.  Bless all of you, and stay home.

Good post, thanx for the ping, and bless you too @Victoria33

[Hoodat]

In my opinion, this is Biblical - it is one of the plagues over the whole world forecast to happen in the end days.  Jesus returns with the sound of a Trump - we have one of those in our White House.  Bless all of you, and stay home.

@Victoria33

It happened after this that the people of Moab with the people of Ammon, and others with them besides the Ammonites, came to battle against Jehoshaphat.  Then some came and told Jehoshaphat, saying, “A great multitude is coming against you from beyond the sea, from Syria; and they are in Hazazon Tamar” (which is En Gedi).  And Jehoshaphat feared, and set himself to seek the Lord, and proclaimed a fast throughout all Judah.  So Judah gathered together to ask help from the Lord; and from all the cities of Judah they came to seek the Lord.

Then Jehoshaphat stood in the assembly of Judah and Jerusalem, in the house of the Lord, before the new court, and said: “O Lord God of our fathers, are You not God in heaven, and do You not rule over all the kingdoms of the nations, and in Your hand is there not power and might, so that no one is able to withstand You?  Are You not our God, who drove out the inhabitants of this land before Your people Israel, and gave it to the descendants of Abraham Your friend forever?  And they dwell in it, and have built You a sanctuary in it for Your name, saying, ‘If disaster comes upon us—sword, judgment, pestilence, or famine—we will stand before this temple and in Your presence (for Your name is in this temple), and cry out to You in our affliction, and You will hear and save.’  And now, here are the people of Ammon, Moab, and Mount Seir — whom You would not let Israel invade when they came out of the land of Egypt, but they turned from them and did not destroy them — here they are, rewarding us by coming to throw us out of Your possession which You have given us to inherit.  O our God, will You not judge them? For we have no power against this great multitude that is coming against us; nor do we know what to do, but our eyes are upon You.”

Now all Judah, with their little ones, their wives, and their children, stood before the Lord.

Then the Spirit of the Lord came upon Jahaziel the son of Zechariah, the son of Benaiah, the son of Jeiel, the son of Mattaniah, a Levite of the sons of Asaph, in the midst of the assembly.  And he said, “Listen, all you of Judah and you inhabitants of Jerusalem, and you, King Jehoshaphat! Thus says the Lord to you: ‘Do not be afraid nor dismayed because of this great multitude, for the battle is not yours, but God’s.  Tomorrow go down against them. They will surely come up by the Ascent of Ziz, and you will find them at the end of the brook before the Wilderness of Jeruel.  You will not need to fight in this battle. Position yourselves, stand still and see the salvation of the Lord, who is with you, O Judah and Jerusalem!’ Do not fear or be dismayed; tomorrow go out against them, for the Lord is with you.”

And Jehoshaphat bowed his head with his face to the ground, and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem bowed before the Lord, worshiping the Lord.  Then the Levites of the children of the Kohathites and of the children of the Korahites stood up to praise the Lord God of Israel with voices loud and high.

So they rose early in the morning and went out into the Wilderness of Tekoa; and as they went out, Jehoshaphat stood and said, “Hear me, O Judah and you inhabitants of Jerusalem: Believe in the Lord your God, and you shall be established; believe His prophets, and you shall prosper.”  And when he had consulted with the people, he appointed those who should sing to the Lord, and who should praise the beauty of holiness, as they went out before the army and were saying:

“Praise the Lord,
For His mercy endures forever.”

Now when they began to sing and to praise, the Lord set ambushes against the people of Ammon, Moab, and Mount Seir, who had come against Judah; and they were defeated.  For the people of Ammon and Moab stood up against the inhabitants of Mount Seir to utterly kill and destroy them. And when they had made an end of the inhabitants of Seir, they helped to destroy one another.

So when Judah came to a place overlooking the wilderness, they looked toward the multitude; and there were their dead bodies, fallen on the earth. No one had escaped.

When Jehoshaphat and his people came to take away their spoil, they found among them an abundance of valuables on the dead bodies, and precious jewelry, which they stripped off for themselves, more than they could carry away; and they were three days gathering the spoil because there was so much.  And on the fourth day they assembled in the Valley of Berachah, for there they blessed the Lord; therefore the name of that place was called The Valley of Berachah until this day.  Then they returned, every man of Judah and Jerusalem, with Jehoshaphat in front of them, to go back to Jerusalem with joy, for the Lord had made them rejoice over their enemies.  So they came to Jerusalem, with stringed instruments and harps and trumpets, to the house of the Lord.  And the fear of God was on all the kingdoms of those countries when they heard that the Lord had fought against the enemies of Israel.  Then the realm of Jehoshaphat was quiet, for his God gave him rest all around.

2 Chronicles 20:1-30


Hope that helps.

[Victoria33]

@Hoodat, thanks for your post; God is with us.  I have taught Bible classes on and off all my adult life, including the last two years teaching an older group, the dreaded "Seniors".  I had a number of young ones, in their early 70s.  I was the oldest in my high 80s.

This new virus is not as other ones.  Stay vigilant, as I will, as we learn more about this and our future.  Our Church now has Sunday service on Facebook. This is a new world.

[corbe]

[Cyber Liberty]

@Once-Ler
@mystery-ak
@Cyber Liberty

My son and his intended, have an apartment in London and own a condo in Cardiff, Wales; Wales is a separate country, not part of the UK.  We have used Skype every other day to keep up with what is happening in both countries.  The two countries, Wales/UK started out with a goal of "Herd Mentality".  So many were dying, the governments changed and ordered people to stay home.

Today, he said the countries will start on May 11 with a plan to open the countries.  He sent a chart to me of how this will happen.  @Cyber Liberty, I can email you the chart and you can post it if you want.

@Victoria33

That would be great.  I'm not at my main machine right now, but I'll get it later and post it.

[Victoria33]

@Cyber Liberty

Sent it.

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty

Sent it.

Thanks!  I'll look at it when I get to my main machine!

[Smokin Joe]

Dr. David Katz: Coronavirus vaccine or herd immunity are only ways life can fully return to normal

Dr. David Katz, the founding director of the Yale-Griffin Prevention Research Center in Connecticut, has warned that while social distancing is helping to mitigate the spread of the coronavirus, it is also preventing the development of the "herd immunity" needed by the public to resume their normal lives before a vaccine is developed.

Katz cited the case of some Asian nations who appeared to stop the spread with lockdown-style mitigation strategies, only to see an increase in cases once restrictions were relaxed.

"That's what will happen if you lock everybody away from everybody else and kind of wait until things get better and then let everybody out into the world," Katz told "Life, Liberty & Levin" in an interview airing Sunday.

"The virus is still out there," Katz added. "We don't have antibodies. We'll just get it later."

Katz and host Mark Levin discussed the concept of "herd immunity," essentially collective resistance to a virus built up by people moving about, becoming infected, and recovering -- thereby naturally developing antibodies to inhibit further spreading the virus among the population.

As an example of herd immunity, Katz told Levin that if the doctor developed antibodies but Levin did not because he was not part of the "herd," he could not contract the virus from Katz because the doctor doesn't have it.

"If all you do is flatten the curve, you don't prevent deaths or severe cases. You just change the dates. We don't want to do that," said Katz..................

https://www.foxnews.com/media/david-katz-coronavirus-vaccine-herd-immunity

What @roamer_1 was saying all along.

[libertybele]

What @roamer_1 was saying all along.

So ... those that are health compromised are going to die from this sooner or later.

[jmyrlefuller]

What @roamer_1 was saying all along.

Except I'm not sure how true this is.

SARS eventually disappeared on its own accord. There were two waves, the first big wave and a smaller one two years after the first. Both were crushed and the disease was never seen again. Crushing the curve without herd immunity does not guarantee any second wave. Sometimes the virus just dies out.

[Bigun]

What @roamer_1 was saying all along.

  And he has been right all along.

[Bigun]

So ... those that are health compromised are going to die from this sooner or later.

Nope!  But all are going to die at some point.

[Lando Lincoln]

What @roamer_1 was saying all along.

Yep

[Smokin Joe]

So ... those that are health compromised are going to die from this sooner or later.

Nope, not necessarily so.

If there is "herd immunity", the virus dies out for lack of viable hosts who do not have immunity. Those who haven't caught the virus nor been immunized (vaccinated) are still safe because the virus can't get around.
It is the same phenomenon which protects the unvaccinated form Smallpox now.
Those who are health compromised have to either avoid the virus until that 'herd immunity' is established in the rest of the population, wait for a vaccine, or, if they catch the virus, they have to defeat it, hopefully through the use of adequate treatment, at which point they become part of the 'herd' who are immune.

[jmyrlefuller]

Apparently some localities have completely stopped reporting recoveries and active cases, because they can't verify whether they're recovered or not. This is insulting and misleading.

https://www.wkbw.com/news/coronavirus/confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-in-erie-county

[Cyber Liberty]

Today, he said the countries will start on May 11 with a plan to open the countries.  He sent a chart to me of how this will happen.  @Cyber Liberty, I can email you the chart and you can post it if you want.

@Victoria33

The chart you sent to me:

[Cyber Liberty]

Apparently some localities have completely stopped reporting recoveries and active cases, because they can't verify whether they're recovered or not. This is insulting and misleading.

https://www.wkbw.com/news/coronavirus/confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-in-erie-county

 

[truth_seeker]

@Victoria33

  Wales IS part of the UK.

England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom

"The United Kingdom consists of four constituent countries: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland"

[Hoodat]

04-20-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	3.912 ↑	3.326 ↓
United States	1.751 ↑	10.758 ↓
China	16.637 ↑	1.074 -

US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 225,117
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 21.1 %  ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 62.6 %  ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Recoveries continuing to go unreported.  Over 75,000 Americans still alive after testing positive three weeks ago are still being counted as active cases.

But new deaths and cases continue to recede.  Things are looking up.

[DB]

And he has been right all along.

The disagreement comes about preventing the hospitals going into overload resulting in triage. Distancing should have been done to whatever level it took to keep the hospitals below the triage threshold. Being more restrictive only slows things down causing more economic damage. Speeding things up where it results in triage at the front door causes many more people to die unnecessarily from many different medical causes. It is also an awful position to put our healthcare people in.

[Smokin Joe]

The disagreement comes about preventing the hospitals going into overload resulting in triage. Distancing should have been done to whatever level it took to keep the hospitals below the triage threshold. Being more restrictive only slows things down causing more economic damage. Speeding things up where it results in triage at the front door causes many more people to die unnecessarily from many different medical causes. It is also an awful position to put our healthcare people in.

Aside from downstate NY, where else is triage going on? We have not even been close here.

[Cyber Liberty]

The disagreement comes about preventing the hospitals going into overload resulting in triage. Distancing should have been done to whatever level it took to keep the hospitals below the triage threshold. Being more restrictive only slows things down causing more economic damage. Speeding things up where it results in triage at the front door causes many more people to die unnecessarily from many different medical causes. It is also an awful position to put our healthcare people in.

The Hospitals have been using the time to stock up for a slog, so they say.  It's probably true, this has been a slow-motion train wreck.

[libertybele]

Apparently some localities have completely stopped reporting recoveries and active cases, because they can't verify whether they're recovered or not. This is insulting and misleading.

https://www.wkbw.com/news/coronavirus/confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-in-erie-county

This seems to be true -- here is an excerpt from the FL Dept. of Health:

One item that has not been included in any of the state's reports: how many people in Florida have recovered from the coronavirus. That's because the state is not measuring that statistic.

The DOH has posted the following explanation for why it does not track recoveries on its website:

"We do not currently measure “recovery,” and don’t expect to have such a designation anytime in the near future. Recovery can mean a lot of things — some countries say you’re recovered 14 days from infection even if you are still sick, or even dead, based on a computer algorithm that calculates the amount of time passed since a case is first reported.

"The very definition of recovery is a contested issue — are you recovered once you’re no longer symptomatic, or contagious, once you get a negative test result, or no longer require hospitalization? Are you ever “recovered” if you suffer long-term effects from having the virus? Until some of these issues and definitions are worked out at the local, state and national level, we will not be providing a metric for recovery."

[Smokin Joe]

This seems to be true -- here is an excerpt from the FL Dept. of Health:

One item that has not been included in any of the state's reports: how many people in Florida have recovered from the coronavirus. That's because the state is not measuring that statistic.

The DOH has posted the following explanation for why it does not track recoveries on its website:

"We do not currently measure “recovery,” and don’t expect to have such a designation anytime in the near future. Recovery can mean a lot of things — some countries say you’re recovered 14 days from infection even if you are still sick, or even dead, based on a computer algorithm that calculates the amount of time passed since a case is first reported.

"The very definition of recovery is a contested issue — are you recovered once you’re no longer symptomatic, or contagious, once you get a negative test result, or no longer require hospitalization? Are you ever “recovered” if you suffer long-term effects from having the virus? Until some of these issues and definitions are worked out at the local, state and national level, we will not be providing a metric for recovery."

They must be the Department of Sick, because they don't know "health" when they see it, by their own admission.

[DB]

Aside from downstate NY, where else is triage going on? We have not even been close here.

And that's the point. The restrictions are too tight if hospitals have lots of free rooms. During the leading edge of this there was little information to gauge what was necessary to prevent overload. As things have gone on there's lots of good feedback to apply to open things up in the areas that have plenty of capacity.

[Hoodat]

And that's the point. The restrictions are too tight if hospitals have lots of free rooms. During the leading edge of this there was little information to gauge what was necessary to prevent overload. As things have gone on there's lots of good feedback to apply to open things up in the areas that have plenty of capacity.

But that would make too much sense.

[libertybele]

And that's the point. The restrictions are too tight if hospitals have lots of free rooms. During the leading edge of this there was little information to gauge what was necessary to prevent overload. As things have gone on there's lots of good feedback to apply to open things up in the areas that have plenty of capacity.

Report of some ER's that are experiencing much lower than normal patient visits because people are afraid to leave their homes and seek medical help.  In addition to being isolated, people who have other health issues aren't seeking treatment. 

I don't know about elsewhere, but ALL elected surgeries and treatments have been put on hold.  Most doctor appointments are by "Telehealth" only.  With telehealth a doctor cannot listen to the heart, check the lungs, take blood pressures, etc....all vital components of seeing the darn doctor.    So ... people are having to make a choice -- get an inadequate video chat with your doc or go to the emergency room where there are sick people who may or may not be a carrier of COVID-19! 

In a lot of ways, social distancing is causing harm.  It will be interesting to see the stats on the number of people who died because they didn't receive adequate treatment or were too afraid to go to the ER.

[Smokin Joe]

Report of some ER's that are experiencing much lower than normal patient visits because people are afraid to leave their homes and seek medical help.  In addition to being isolated, people who have other health issues aren't seeking treatment. 

I don't know about elsewhere, but ALL elected surgeries and treatments have been put on hold.  Most doctor appointments are by "Telehealth" only.  With telehealth a doctor cannot listen to the heart, check the lungs, take blood pressures, etc....all vital components of seeing the darn doctor.    So ... people are having to make a choice -- get an inadequate video chat with your doc or go to the emergency room where there are sick people who may or may not be a carrier of COVID-19! 

In a lot of ways, social distancing is causing harm.  It will be interesting to see the stats on the number of people who died because they didn't receive adequate treatment or were too afraid to go to the ER.

In NY they will have the COD COVID-19, anyway...

[catfish1957]

Ughhhhhh....

Oil down 29% overnight @$13.09/bbl.  Demand has dwindled significantly.

Rollercoaster begins again in earnest.

[Victoria33]

  Wales IS part of the UK. England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom  "The United Kingdom consists of four constituent countries: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland"

I should have said "England" not the UK. Wales and England are separate countries.

[Gefn]

Report of some ER's that are experiencing much lower than normal patient visits because people are afraid to leave their homes and seek medical help.  In addition to being isolated, people who have other health issues aren't seeking treatment. 

I don't know about elsewhere, but ALL elected surgeries and treatments have been put on hold.  Most doctor appointments are by "Telehealth" only.  With telehealth a doctor cannot listen to the heart, check the lungs, take blood pressures, etc....all vital components of seeing the darn doctor.    So ... people are having to make a choice -- get an inadequate video chat with your doc or go to the emergency room where there are sick people who may or may not be a carrier of COVID-19! 

In a lot of ways, social distancing is causing harm.  It will be interesting to see the stats on the number of people who died because they didn't receive adequate treatment or were too afraid to go to the ER.

I cancelled my doctors visits until June. I was supposed to have a six month dental cleaning this month. The doctor cancelled for me.

I have three doctors appointments between April and June 1. All cancelled. Not a big deal.
Last week I did have to go to the eye doctor because I scratched my cornea. She took me but I had to get my temperature taken, and wear a mask the entire time.

[Gefn]

Off topic slightly, last night some people in one of the upstairs apartments got really plastered and were running around in the hallways. It was about 1am, and I had a flashback I was back in college.

All that was missing was music blaring out the windows.


This lockdown is really starting to rub people the bad way. I’m now starting week seven.

[libertybele]

I cancelled my doctors visits until June. I was supposed to have a six month dental cleaning this month. The doctor cancelled for me.

I have three doctors appointments between April and June 1. All cancelled. Not a big deal.
Last week I did have to go to the eye doctor because I scratched my cornea. She took me but I had to get my temperature taken, and wear a mask the entire time.

Well, I'm glad that your symptoms/ailments are not a big deal.  For heart patients, diabetics, asthmatics, those with high blood pressure that's a completely different story -- who can't get routine preventative care that another ballgame. Those with any symptoms, appointments are delayed or directed to go to ER if symptoms get worse. So again, risking going to the ER vs. taking chances at home. Heck of a decision.  Those with heart, lung, blood pressure, diabetes -- could encounter life threatening events ... but contracting COVID-19 IS a death sentence. 

Point I'm making is in-office care with a physician that could prevent further complications is pretty much obsolete.

Elective procedures which may be necessary to combat further complications have been cancelled as well.

New cancer patient treatments are being put on hold.

Perhaps this is not happening in your area, but this is what I've encountered or know of others whose health has  been "put on hold".  Not a good thing.

[libertybele]

Off topic slightly, last night some people in one of the upstairs apartments got really plastered and were running around in the hallways. It was about 1am, and I had a flashback I was back in college.

All that was missing was music blaring out the windows.


This lockdown is really starting to rub people the bad way. I’m now starting week seven.

I'm with ya -- week 7 (or 8) here as well.

[Gefn]

Well, I'm glad that your symptoms/ailments are not a big deal.  For heart patients, diabetics, asthmatics, those with high blood pressure that's a completely different story -- who can't get routine preventative care that another ballgame. Those with any symptoms, appointments are delayed or directed to go to ER if symptoms get worse. So again, risking going to the ER vs. taking chances at home. Heck of a decision.  Those with heart, lung, blood pressure, diabetes -- could encounter life threatening events ... but contracting COVID-19 IS a death sentence. 

Point I'm making is in-office care with a physician that could prevent further complications is pretty much obsolete.

Elective procedures which may be necessary to combat further complications have been cancelled as well.

New cancer patient treatments are being put on hold.

Perhaps this is not happening in your area, but this is what I've encountered or know of others whose health has  been "put on hold".  Not a good thing.

It’s happening where I live, and affected several people I know, one of them is my mom. Not good.
@libertybele

[mountaineer]

Perhaps this is not happening in your area, but this is what I've encountered or know of others whose health has  been "put on hold".  Not a good thing.

Having had my "elective" hip replacement surgery just under the wire (2/24) before everything shut down, I have great sympathy for all those whose supposedly nonessential surgeries - whether orthopedic or cancer-related - have been postponed. These people are in pain, or they wouldn't need new hips, knees, etc.

 If I hadn't had my surgery when I did and currently was waiting for some governor's say-so, I would be in excruciating pain right now, unable to take a single step.

[Cyber Liberty]

Having had my "elective" hip replacement surgery just under the wire (2/24) before everything shut down, I have great sympathy for all those whose supposedly nonessential surgeries - whether orthopedic or cancer-related - have been postponed. These people are in pain, or they wouldn't need new hips, knees, etc.

 If I hadn't had my surgery when I did and currently was waiting for some governor's say-so, I would be in excruciating pain right now, unable to take a single step.

Especially difficult with the anti-Opioid fanatics on the loose.

[mountaineer]

What are 'COVID toes'? Dermatologists, podiatrists share strange findings
Maura Hohman
3 days ago


The longer the novel coronavirus circulates, the more unexpected symptoms pop up.

Now, another condition possibly linked to the coronavirus has captured researchers' attention. Dubbed "COVID toes" by the dermatology community, it can look like "purple lesions" on feet or hands, Dr. Esther Freeman, a dermatologist at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, told TODAY. ...   But because COVID toes may appear before or without other coronavirus symptoms, Freeman believes it should be a criterion for testing.  ...

The condition usually starts with red or purple discoloration, and the skin may become raised or develop ulcerations, according to Freeman. It can be on hands, too.

Fox told TODAY it has appeared as "purple, red bumps" on the tips of digits and pads, or on the tops of toes or sides of feet.

People with COVID toes may feel the skin is hot, burning or itchy.   ... More, including photos, at MSN

[sneakypete]

Especially difficult with the anti-Opioid fanatics on the loose.

@Cyber Liberty

One of the things I find "ironic" is that when I see a doc today,trying to get a script for painkillers is very hard to do.

Back when I was younger and didn't have so much pain coming from so many places already, they would write me a script for a opioid of one sort or another,even after I told them I didn't want or need it.

One thing I learned long ago is that pain,up to a certain level,is your friend because it reminds you that you are already injured,and need to be careful to not make it worse. This is the good news. Because of this I have what may be a lifetime supply (at my age,anyway) of industrial-strength painkillers in a big box that I can use any time I need them.

At one time back in the 70's,the VA was writing me prescriptions for 180 valiums at a time,with 6 refills because of back injuries I received on a parachute jump that went wrong when I was in the army. They flat refuse to give me any now. Good thing I still have some left from earlier prescriptions,huh?

[Cyber Liberty]

One thing I learned long ago is that pain, up to a certain level, is your friend because it reminds you that you are already injured,and need to be careful to not make it worse. This is the good news. Because of this I have what may be a lifetime supply (at my age,anyway) of industrial-strength painkillers in a big box that I can use any time I need them.

Very true.  The part I highlighted is important to note, because too much post-surgical pain is actually a detriment to recovery.

[Smokin Joe]

Ughhhhhh....

Oil down 29% overnight @$13.09/bbl.  Demand has dwindled significantly.

Rollercoaster begins again in earnest.

Bakken Crude (ND Sweet Light) down below $10/bbl.