Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2

[TomSea]

More Stores Changes At Walmart: Dedicated Senior, First Responder, High-Risk Grocery Pickup Times Available
By Dawn Geske    04/15/20 AT 2:54 PM

Walmart (WMT) has made more changes to its stores during the coronavirus pandemic. Now the retail giant is offering a dedicated pickup time for grocery customers that are most vulnerable for contracting COVID-19.

The new pickup hours are from 7 a.m. to 8 a.m. at select stores. The special pickup times are for those customers over the age of 60, first responders, consumers with disabilities, or anyone that has been designated by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) as high risk.

During all pickup times, Walmart workers are using enhanced social distancing and sanitation procedures to help prevent the spread of the coronavirus. Pickups are also contact-free, with customers opening their trunks and workers loading groceries with no need to sign for orders, Walmart said.

Read more  https://www.ibtimes.com/more-stores-changes-walmart-dedicated-senior-first-responder-high-risk-grocery-pickup-2959313

Michigan, how awful:

Oakland County scouts ice rinks to potentially store bodies in 'last resort' scenario
Jennifer Dixon, Detroit Free Press Published 2:14 p.m. ET April 15, 2020

Oakland County is scouting ice rinks to store bodies during the coronavirus pandemic if its morgue runs out of space, county officials said Wednesday.

Casimir Miarka, administrator for the Oakland County Medical Examiner's Office, said the ice rinks would be used in a worst-case scenario.

County spokesman Bill Mullan said the morgue took in 10 bodies Wednesday from a hospital with  its own morgue at capacity, the first since the coronavirus pandemic hit Michigan in March. He declined to identify the hospital.

Read more at:  https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2020/04/15/coronavirus-oakland-ice-rinks-bodies/5137771002/

I know there was some sort of blurb about what Chicago might do in the news this morning as well.

[catfish1957]

There are certainly a lot of people who agree with you.  I think the fund-freezing announcement would have been better saved for a month or two from now, but the President is desperate to get any news...even bad news...to cover over the 2.4K deaths from yesterday.  When the world is in the middle of a pandemic announcing a cut with the World Health Organization looks insane to rat and moderate voters...and some GOP voters I assume.  If he could have he should have waited until we re-open.  JMO

You are right.  Pulling the rug out right now, is not good PR.  Anger sometimes fosters drastic actions. 

[Cyber Liberty]

I was just pointing out that Conway doesn't know the 19 in COVID-19  comes from the year 2019.  It kind of undercuts her expertise.

I thought we were all out of nits to pick.

[truth_seeker]

A caution. Half of the country, roughly speaking, doesn't live in major metropolitan areas, but in the vast expanses between them.
I am concerned that the results of any study conducted only in major metro areas will not allow for the factors unique to that environment versus the factors present (and not) in more rural venues, and as such, any rules or guidelines proposed as a result of those studies will be imposed on rural areas as well without regard for the appropriateness of those measures for the rural environs. One size does not fit all.

This study indicates 21% of Americans reside in rural or small towns.

The cities and "suburban-exurban areas dominate.

Reagan and Nixon came from suburban California. Bush I and II came from suburban Texas.

Carter, McGovern, Clinton  came from rural small states.

I don't see a useful pattern.

I have watched suburban sprawl all of my life. (It has been called "White flight," too)

My wife and I have sort of 'surveyed" the West in search of the ideal type of setting. We concluded that small-medium metro areas of 50,000-100,000 are about ideal.  Big enough for sshopping, entertainment yet close enough to small town lifestyles and to nature.

[Smokin Joe]

There are certainly a lot of people who agree with you.  I think the fund-freezing announcement would have been better saved for a month or two from now, but the President is desperate to get any news...even bad news...to cover over the 2.4K deaths from yesterday.  When the world is in the middle of a pandemic announcing a cut with the World Health Organization looks insane to rat and moderate voters...and some GOP voters I assume.  If he could have he should have waited until we re-open.  JMO

Sure is a good thing he doesn't have to 'cover' for the ordinary 7700+ deaths per day in the US. That would be a real SOB.

[jmyrlefuller]

I was just pointing out that Conway doesn't know the 19 in COVID-19  comes from the year 2019.  It kind of undercuts her expertise.

I don't think that's what she was implying at all. 'Twas a quip.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Sure is a good thing he doesn't have to 'cover' for the ordinary 7700+ deaths per day in the US. That would be a real SOB.

You can't beat #1

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-leading-cause-of-death.html

COVID-19 is now the leading cause of death in the United States, killing more people per day than the previous top contenders, heart disease and cancer.

The new coronavirus was responsible for the deaths of 1,940 people on April 8 in the U.S., according to a graph published by Dr. Maria Danilychev, who specializes in geriatric medicine, internal medicine, and hospice and palliative medicine at Scripps Health in San Diego.

In comparison, heart disease and cancer took the lives of 1,774 and 1,641 people on a daily basis, respectively, according to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data from 2018, the most recent year available, Danilychev wrote on the chart. Danilychev gathered the COVID-19 numbers from Worldometers.info.

[Smokin Joe]

You can't beat #1

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-leading-cause-of-death.html

Considering heart disease and cancer are underlying conditions that increase COVID-19 mortality, and that the majority of the deaths took place in NYC, where no test is required  to have been a presumptive COVID-19 victim, I would bet dimes to donuts that the heart disease and cancer numbers dropped off the usual curve to accommodate the desired statistics.

[Neverdul]

"This is COVID-19, not COVID-1 folks, and so you would think the people in charge of the World Health Organization, facts and figures, would be on top of that."  - Kellyanne Conway on Fox today

Stolen from Twitter:

COVID-1
COVID-2 FAST 2 FURIOUS
COVID-3 WITH A VENGEANCE
COVID-4 JUDGEMENT DAY
COVID-5 CRUISE CONTROL
COVID-6 THE LEGEND OF CURLY’S GOLD
MAGNIFICENT COVID-7
COVID-8 MILE
DISTRICT COVID-9
COVID-10 COMMANDMENTS
OCEAN’S COVID-11
COVID-12 MONKEYS
COVID-13 GOING ON 30
COVID-14 THE DREAM WARRIORS
COVID-15 THE SEARCH FOR FAUCI
COVID-16 THE COVID AWAKENS
COVID-17 THE LAST COVID
COVID-18 THE RISE OF CORONAVIRUS

 

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I don't think that's what she was implying at all. 'Twas a quip.

"This is COVID-19, not COVID-1 folks, and so you would think the people in charge of the World Health Organization, facts and figures, would be on top of that."
I see no logical way to read this except she thinks there is a COVID-1 to COVID-18 that came before COVID-19

COVID-1
COVID-2 FAST 2 FURIOUS
COVID-3D
COVID-4 JUDGEMENT DAY
COVID-5 CRUISE CONTROL
COVID-6 THE LEGEND OF CURLY’S GOLD
COVID-7 WITH A VENGEANCE
COVID-8 SECRET OF THE OOZE
COVID-9 COVIDS REVENGE
COVID-10 COVID TAKES MANHATTEN
COVID-11 THE FINAL COVID
COVID-12 COVID LIVES
COVID-13 COVID RETURNS
COVID-14 COVID FOREVER
COVID-15 THUNDERDOME
COVID-16 RAGNAROK
COVID-17 INFINITY WAR
COVID-18 ENDGAME

[Formerly Once-Ler]

COVID-15 THE SEARCH FOR FAUCI

[Cyber Liberty]

You can't beat #1

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-leading-cause-of-death.html

As Hillary Clinton stated, Trump made America First!

(You need to find a better place to shop for your quips.)

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Considering heart disease and cancer are underlying conditions that increase COVID-19 mortality, and that the majority of the deaths took place in NYC, where no test is required  to have been a presumptive COVID-19 victim, I would bet dimes to donuts that the heart disease and cancer numbers dropped off the usual curve to accommodate the desired statistics.

If you had read the part I quoted you'd see the assertion is based off of 2018 statistics...the earliest available.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

As Hillary Clinton stated, Trump made America First!

(You need to find a better place to shop for your quips.)

@Cyber Liberty the #1 comes from the story not Hillary.

Do you ever wonder how others might get tired of you mindlessly attacking me instead of the facts?  You're not good at it.

[Smokin Joe]

If you had read the part I quoted you'd see the assertion is based off of 2018 statistics...the earliest available.

Gee whiz, that's so like, two years ago. Surely between the shampeachment and the desire to have a candidate for POTUS, in a Democrat enclave like NYC, blood pressures are up and more arteries are hardening daily.

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty the #1 comes from the story not Hillary.

Do you ever wonder how others might get tired of you mindlessly attacking me instead of the facts?  You're not good at it.

Mindless?  I prefer to think of my comments as being mindful.  I'm hurt.

[truth_seeker]

Once a member here joked, about dead from a terrorism attack in Manchester England, at a conceret.

Then he disappeared.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Mindless?  I prefer to think of my comments as being mindful.  I'm hurt.

Perhaps that is the best you can do.  I take it back.

[sneakypete]

"Did Xi Jinping Deliberately Sicken the World?"

@DB

Yes.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

You are right.  Pulling the rug out right now, is not good PR.  Anger sometimes fosters drastic actions.

Exactly @catfish1957 .  The rats are going to run ads this fall that will start "In 2018, Trump fired the US pandemic response team and never replaced them."  Then they will quote President Trump saying hoax, and COVID will magically disappear. Then they will say "With a pandemic killing thousands every day, Trump cut funding to the World Health Organization."  I'm not saying it's fair, I'm just saying that ad will be devastating for anyone who lost a mom, dad, sister, brother, grandma, or grandpa.

The only people cheering this are not thinking ahead.  They would have cheered just as loudly if it had been done closer to the election.

[Cyber Liberty]

Perhaps that is the best you can do.  I take it back.

Some days I get up and just don't feel like putting in the effort required.  I started the day finding out two of our best Members left.

[Hoodat]

04-15-2020 | 21:50 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	3.746 ↑	3.523 ↓
United States	1.694 ↑	13.333 ↓
China	23.284 ↑	1.058 ↓

US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 112,031
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 25.5 %  ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 87.3 %  ↑

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Big jump in recoveries (+10K).   But offset by big jump in new cases 14 days ago.  Still, good report.  Three times higher than increase in deaths.

[skeeter]

Some days I get up and just don't feel like putting in the effort required.  I started the day finding out two of our best Members left.

I wish I had half of the patience you do, CL.

[Cyber Liberty]

I wish I had half of the patience you do, CL.

Some days are better than others....

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Some days I get up and just don't feel like putting in the effort required.  I started the day finding out two of our best Members left.

Fair enough.  These are difficult days.  No hard feelings on my side.   

[LadyLiberty]

Their scientific study doesn't help me.  What would help me is knowing if I have developed antibodies for the virus.  The antibody test would do that.  But unfortunately, I cannot find a way to get one.

If I test positive for antibodies, I can then be tested for the virus.  If the second test comes up negative, then I am free and clear.  No more red tape BS.  No more having to report the names (and companies) of everyone I have come within 6 ft of including date and time for the last 3 weeks.  No more having to cower in my house when I could be out there helping others.

I don't have a crystal ball.  It's impossible for me to answer the question as to when an antibody test will be available for all of us.  The company mentioned in the article that I posted is one of many who are working on that test. 

Abbott Labs just announced this today re the antibody test they have been working on:  "Abbott said it will ship nearly 1 million tests this week to U.S. customers while ramping up manufacturing to ship 4 million tests in total in the month of April. By June and beyond, Abbott said it will be shipping 20 million tests in the U.S. per month."  https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2020/04/15/abbott-labs-rolling-out-coronavirus-antibody-tests/#52da28e798d5

Given that there are many companies working on this, I would hope that it won't be long before us "nobodies" will have access to a test.  How many are working on this?  According to this (https://time.com/5819737/covid-19-blood-tests/ the number is 70,  but surely they won't all pan out.

[Hoodat]

I wish I had half of the patience you do, CL.

For @Cyber Liberty

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Step by step, WWII veteran Tom Moore set out to raise money for British health workers by walking 100 laps in his garden by his 100th birthday at the end of April. His family thought he might collect $1,250. Donors have pledged $10 million so far.

https://apnews.com/9dcf983ffc52625a6d01e0d7338001f6

[Formerly Once-Ler]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5ACME0ZNaY

Todays press conference...already an hour in but you can slide back.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

It starts with a video clip from GM promising 30k ventilators by Aug.  If there is a second wave we should be in good shape.

[Cyber Liberty]

It starts with a video clip from GM promising 30k ventilators by Aug.  If there is a second wave we should be in good shape.

I liked the video GM made of changing an assembly floor over to a facility to assemble them.  I just like time-lapse videos...I've been recording sunsets that way from my upper deck.

[Hoodat]

With the whole nation under virtual lock down, why are we seeing 30,000 new cases each day?  Ten thousand new cases today in New York alone.  How could this be happening with all the draconian state-imposed regulations in place?

[Hoodat]

I liked the video GM made of changing an assembly floor over to a facility to assemble them.  I just like time-lapse videos...I've been recording sunsets that way from my upper deck.

You might like this one:

[musiclady]

With the whole nation under virtual lock down, why are we seeing 30,000 new cases each day?  Ten thousand new cases today in New York alone.  How could this be happening with all the draconian state-imposed regulations in place?

It was seeded before the measures were put in place.

And some Governors were irresponsible and let it spread badly before they took those measures.  (Mayor DiBlasio in NYC was particularly irresponsible).

Plus, the numbers lag behind the actual contamination by the virus so we are seeing a snapshot of the past with the present numbers.  If there weren't restrictions, the numbers would be worse.

[Cyber Liberty]

You might like this one:

I remember that one.  Yes, I liked that a lot!

[Smokin Joe]

Step by step, WWII veteran Tom Moore set out to raise money for British health workers by walking 100 laps in his garden by his 100th birthday at the end of April. His family thought he might collect $1,250. Donors have pledged $10 million so far.

https://apnews.com/9dcf983ffc52625a6d01e0d7338001f6

Now, that's neat!

[Cyber Liberty]

It was seeded before the measures were put in place.

And some Governors were irresponsible and let it spread badly before they took those measures.  (Mayor DiBlasio in NYC was particularly irresponsible).

Plus, the numbers lag behind the actual contamination by the virus so we are seeing a snapshot of the past with the present numbers.  If there weren't restrictions, the numbers would be worse.

That's the problem when all the indicators are "lagging."  I like how Cuomo instantly deemed 4,000 deaths "COVID-19" overnight.  There is no proof any of them even had it.  But, this is ankle-biting on my part, there is no doubt when it's over there will be a lot of dead loved ones.  There's no sugar-coating that.

[Cyber Liberty]

Now, that's neat!

I agree.  People can do great things, given the chance.

[musiclady]

That's the problem when all the indicators are "lagging."  I like how Cuomo instantly deemed 4,000 deaths "COVID-19" overnight.  There is no proof any of them even had it.  But, this is ankle-biting on my part, there is no doubt when it's over there will be a lot of dead loved ones.  There's no sugar-coating that.

Exactly.  Which is why, IMO, the fuss over a dishonest politician's padding the numbers (if it is proven that he has), should not harden us to the reality that people are dying a horrible death from this all over the country.

Yesterday there were 50 deaths in Ohio, and no one here is lying about anything. They have been upfront about everything from Day 1.

I think I'm more of a 'big picture' person than some, so when I find out a Leftist is trying to take advantage of people because of this very real crisis, I blame the leftist, and not the people who are trying (and succeeding) in doing the right thing to protect the people of their states, counties and cities..... especially those on the front line of this battle.

Cuomo and DiBlasio are wretched human beings, but if you know anything about what is really going on in NYC, you know it is absolutely horrendous.

[bigheadfred]

FWIW, I have had Covid 3 times.

Once pounded right beyween the eyes.

Once shoved down my throat.

And once shoved up my ass.

On the bright side, think of the millions who won't have to suffer through that. This. Whatever.

https://www.worldometers.info/abortions/

[Smokin Joe]

Exactly.  Which is why, IMO, the fuss over a dishonest politician's padding the numbers (if it is proven that he has), should not harden us to the reality that people are dying a horrible death from this all over the country.

Yesterday there were 50 deaths in Ohio, and no one here is lying about anything. They have been upfront about everything from Day 1.

I think I'm more of a 'big picture' person than some, so when I find out a Leftist is trying to take advantage of people because of this very real crisis, I blame the leftist, and not the people who are trying (and succeeding) in doing the right thing to protect the people of their states, counties and cities..... especially those on the front line of this battle.

Cuomo and DiBlasio are wretched human beings, but if you know anything about what is really going on in NYC, you know it is absolutely horrendous.

M'am, I was in NYC briefly in '74, and frankly, I saw little there that would entice me to return.
Once I was over the novelty of it all, I found the place horrendous all on its own. YMMV.

[Smokin Joe]

FWIW, I have had Covid 3 times.

Once pounded right beyween the eyes.

Once shoved down my throat.

And once shoved up my ass.

On the bright side, think of the millions who won't have to suffer through that. This. Whatever.

https://www.worldometers.info/abortions/

Now, doggone it, Fred, there you go looking at the real big picture.
(The one that is being ignored while people are zoomed in on this outbreak).

[DB]

Some days I get up and just don't feel like putting in the effort required.  I started the day finding out two of our best Members left.

May I ask who left?

[Smokin Joe]

May I ask who left?

roamer_1 and thackney.

[Cyber Liberty]

M'am, I was in NYC briefly in '74, and frankly, I saw little there that would entice me to return.
Once I was over the novelty of it all, I found the place horrendous all on its own. YMMV.

I'm a country boy myself, and the only big city I liked was Chicago, inside The Loop and Old Town.  That part of the city had soul.  Big Cities make me very uncomfortable.  The worst?  Downtown Dallas.  You could stand on a street and never see the sun more than an hour or so every day.  What a shit-pit.

[Smokin Joe]

I'm a country boy myself, and the only big city I liked was Chicago, inside The Loop and Old Town.  That part of the city had soul.  Big Cities make me very uncomfortable.  The worst?  Downtown Dallas.  You could stand on a street and never see the sun more than an hour or so every day.  What a shit-pit.

When I was a kid we went on numerous field trips to Washington, D.C., Smithsonian, art galleries, Air and Space, the monuments, etc. Now, I'd take pause at walking there in broad daylight (always a risk more than two blocks from the National Mall).

It's funny, from the water, to the Mountains, from the desert to the prairie, I can settle in and be 'in tune' in five minutes. Not so in any city.

[musiclady]

M'am, I was in NYC briefly in '74, and frankly, I saw little there that would entice me to return.
Once I was over the novelty of it all, I found the place horrendous all on its own. YMMV.

Love to go there- Broadway shows, jazz clubs, Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island......

But I wouldn’t live there if my life depended on it.

Nonetheless, the very real suffering going on there now (ask Franklin Graham) is something that should deeply disturb all of us.

[Smokin Joe]

Love to go there- Broadway shows, jazz clubs, Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island......

But I wouldn’t live there if my life depended on it.

Nonetheless, the very real suffering going on there now (ask Franklin Graham) is something that should deeply disturb all of us.

If I let it, it would. But I'm an old First Responder. You see the pain, but you can't let it eat your lunch. You have to make decisions, sometimes on which hang life and death, and do that dispassionately, quickly, accurately, and retain the ability to function. Yes, there are a lot of people hurting out there, not just from COVID-19, but from a host of other things, not the least of which is being out of work with no light at the end of that tunnel.
There's plenty of misery to go around in the world, this is just another flavor, but because it is an unknown, because we don't know how far, how many, how long, it is scarier than the run of the mill myocardial infarction, unless of course, you can't get any medical help because everyone is tangled up over COVID-19.

It's a shame the lovely drapes in the front room are ruined, but let's focus on the whole house fire, please.

[musiclady]

roamer_1 and thackney.

Why did thackney leave??

[musiclady]

If I let it, it would. But I'm an old First Responder. You see the pain, but you can't let it eat your lunch. You have to make decisions, sometimes on which hang life and death, and do that dispassionately, quickly, accurately, and retain the ability to function. Yes, there are a lot of people hurting out there, not just from COVID-19, but from a host of other things, not the least of which is being out of work with no light at the end of that tunnel.
There's plenty of misery to go around in the world, this is just another flavor, but because it is an unknown, because we don't know how far, how many, how long, it is scarier than the run of the mill myocardial infarction, unless of course, you can't get any medical help because everyone is tangled up over COVID-19.

It's a shame the lovely drapes in the front room are ruined, but let's focus on the whole house fire, please.

Your error is in thinking that concern over Covid means lack of concern over other issues.

It’s been apparent from the beginning.