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Re: Doctors Treating Coronavirus Told to Discriminate Against Elderly Patients: They “Will be Left t
« Reply #125 on: March 14, 2020, 07:15:01 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2020, 07:09:32 pm
He was sucking up to the left for many years previous, and it was just another suck as far as I was concerned.

McCain was the MSM's favorite Republican because he was constantly sticking a knife into his fellow Republicans. And the MSM loved him for it.
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« Reply #126 on: March 14, 2020, 07:18:31 pm »
Quote from: DB on March 14, 2020, 07:15:01 pm
McCain was the MSM's favorite Republican because he was constantly sticking a knife into his fellow Republicans. And the MSM loved him for it.

Not exactly an honorable man, I'd say........
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Re: Doctors Treating Coronavirus Told to Discriminate Against Elderly Patients: They “Will be Left t
« Reply #127 on: March 14, 2020, 07:19:55 pm »
Quote from: LMAO on March 14, 2020, 06:34:58 pm
No republican would have won in 2008. We were in a financial crisis and an unpopular war and the incumbent was a republican. McCain paid for that

We would have won every election for the next 20 years if the GOP had gotten behind Bush's Social Security Reform.  Actually allowing the Average Joe to direct his Social Security taxes into an actual investment fund instead of giving it to the government?  They would be voting Republican for the rest of their lives.

But I digress.
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Re: Doctors Treating Coronavirus Told to Discriminate Against Elderly Patients: They “Will be Left t
« Reply #128 on: March 14, 2020, 07:20:37 pm »
Quote from: DB on March 14, 2020, 07:15:01 pm
McCain was the MSM's favorite Republican because he was constantly sticking a knife into his fellow Republicans. And the MSM loved him for it.

Until he ran against 'their" guy

Then he was a mix of Pol Pot, Hitler, Satan, Judas Iscariot, ect ect
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Re: Doctors Treating Coronavirus Told to Discriminate Against Elderly Patients: They “Will be Left t
« Reply #129 on: March 14, 2020, 07:21:43 pm »
If someone has been to Sweden, check this out:
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Can't make America like Sweden without more capitalism
    Barry Fagin Mar 5, 2020

There appear to be two kinds of socialism nowadays: Bad and Good. Like the Munchkins in Oz, we’re supposed to ask if someone is a Good Socialist or a Bad Socialist. Maoist China, Stalinist Russia, modern Cuba, North Korea and Venezuela, apparently those are all Bad Socialism. Good socialism is different. Good socialism is Sweden, Denmark and Norway. They do socialism right, and that’s the way America should be going.

There’s only one problem with that view: It’s completely wrong. Sweden, Denmark and Norway are not socialist countries. They are free-market, capitalist countries with extensive social services, supported by high taxes paid mostly by the middle-class and poor. But that doesn’t make them socialist, or even some sort of midpoint between capitalist and socialist extremes. Taking America toward them means making us more capitalist, not less. Let’s see why.

Sweden has school choice, in which parents get vouchers that can be applied to public or private schools. Want America to be more like Sweden? Give us school vouchers.

Read more at: https://gazette.com/opinion/column-can-t-make-america-like-sweden-without-more-capitalism/article_09290038-5e2d-11ea-a7b2-fb2b4634e9a1.html

That's not directly talking about the Healthcare system of course, still.

Norway is closing everything down:
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I heard this just on the radio so, I don't know if it's true but they said Italy has a national healthcare system and that seems to be failing.

Maybe Spain too.

Also, note this, in Italy, they are told this so maybe they can take care of the youth, so even if the "youth" usually survive this virus, apparently, they are having trouble with it if they need to survive the virus.
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Re: Doctors Treating Coronavirus Told to Discriminate Against Elderly Patients: They “Will be Left t
« Reply #130 on: March 14, 2020, 07:30:33 pm »
Norway should not be used as a reference for economic policy. They are very wealthy with natural resources. Their oil revenue allows them to have social services beyond what any other country without those inherent resources can provide without bankrupting the state. In other words, it is not a valid apples to apples comparison.
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« Reply #131 on: March 14, 2020, 07:30:46 pm »
Yes, the Italian situation sort of demonstrates a failure of National Healthcare if that is what their system is, I don't know.
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« Reply #132 on: March 14, 2020, 07:35:30 pm »
Quote from: LMAO on March 14, 2020, 07:20:37 pm
Until he ran against 'their" guy

Then he was a mix of Pol Pot, Hitler, Satan, Judas Iscariot, ect ect

And he never figured that out...
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Re: Doctors Treating Coronavirus Told to Discriminate Against Elderly Patients: They “Will be Left t
« Reply #133 on: March 14, 2020, 07:52:05 pm »
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Triage, reality if you like it or not

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triagez

I hate the fact that some of the most vulnerable, the most elderly and the sickest may be left to die but if and when faced with limited healthcare resources and personnel, that is what can and exactly what will happen – triage.

So yes if there is only one ICU bed and one ventilator left and two patients who need it, the one with the greatest possibility for recovery will get it.  So yes, the 95-year-old with Alzheimer's and cancer is going to be bumped in favor of the 35-year-old mother of 3 who is otherwise healthy but will die without it.

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Triage: The process of sorting people based on their need for immediate medical treatment as compared to their chance of benefiting from such care. Triage is done in emergency rooms, disasters, and wars, when limited medical resources must be allocated to maximize the number of survivors. Triage in this sense originated in World War I. Wounded soldiers were classified into one of three groups: those who could be expected to live without medical care, those who would likely die even with care, and those who could survive if they received care.

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Re: Doctors Treating Coronavirus Told to Discriminate Against Elderly Patients: They “Will be Left t
« Reply #134 on: March 14, 2020, 09:35:16 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2020, 06:33:13 pm
It only makes some sort of sense if you remove all the "you" words from the post.  As it is, it's just another personal attack from one who has had every.  Single. Argument.  Shot to pieces.

I did assume the collective 'you'.
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Re: Doctors Treating Coronavirus Told to Discriminate Against Elderly Patients: They “Will be Left t
« Reply #135 on: March 14, 2020, 09:49:09 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on March 14, 2020, 09:35:16 pm
I did assume the collective 'you'.

I appreciate that.  Since I think it was in reply to my post it could have been just me.  No matter, he finally asked to be banned so, after a discussion with the other Mods I decided to accommodate him.   :shrug:

Time to move on....
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Re: Doctors Treating Coronavirus Told to Discriminate Against Elderly Patients: They “Will be Left t
« Reply #136 on: March 14, 2020, 10:14:01 pm »
Anecdote: TRIAGE.

Had lunch with fellow boardmember for our non-profit.

I mentioned the Italy storyfrom (One Doctor and One report) about "Triage."

He said he is a trained "first responder, and he knows about triage.

He is the primary care giver to his 95 year old father. He said he understood that medical pros know they will face tough decisions.

OTOH online virtual signalers will moan and groan, with no answers.

Anecdote:

Neil Savaedra (popular Hispanic announcer, show "Jesus Christ". Kidney transplant patient), KFI AM 640 radio, Lost Angeles

Real time I am gettig  high quality information from this source.

Volunteer efforts in my town were mentioned this morning.

 
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« Reply #137 on: March 14, 2020, 10:14:03 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2020, 09:49:09 pm
I appreciate that.  Since I think it was in reply to my post it could have been just me.  No matter, he finally asked to be banned so, after a discussion with the other Mods I decided to accommodate him.   :shrug:

Time to move on....

Dexter? Banned?
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« Reply #138 on: March 14, 2020, 10:17:14 pm »
This sounds cruel but Italy is be making the most logical decision based on their available resources and circumstances

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Re: Doctors Treating Coronavirus Told to Discriminate Against Elderly Patients: They “Will be Left t
« Reply #139 on: March 14, 2020, 10:18:47 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2020, 09:49:09 pm
I appreciate that.  Since I think it was in reply to my post it could have been just me.  No matter, he finally asked to be banned so, after a discussion with the other Mods I decided to accommodate him.   :shrug:

Time to move on....

Why ask to be banned when you can just walk away?
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« Reply #140 on: March 14, 2020, 10:25:33 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on March 14, 2020, 06:45:10 pm
I think it's obvious they would do something different if it was as bad as y'all are trying to suggest. They won't though, ever, because their way is working well enough for them. Every system has issues. They think theirs is good though, and will continue to work on improvements.

If things were really falling apart people would notice. The government wouldn't be about it. Things would change. The arguments y'all have presented are a combination of anecdotes and propaganda designed to scare Americans like you into believing Europe is nightmare fuel. It's just not the case.

Europe's primary medical tech comes from America. You seem to think that tech would just happen anyway if we were like Europe. If that were so, Europe would already have more innovation than we do because they have a larger population to create it.

American tech saves countless lives the world over. It is the free market that creates it. Chain down the free market and get less of it.
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Re: Doctors Treating Coronavirus Told to Discriminate Against Elderly Patients: They “Will be Left t
« Reply #141 on: March 14, 2020, 10:29:34 pm »
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Dexter? Banned?
Quote from: DB on March 14, 2020, 10:18:47 pm
Why ask to be banned when you can just walk away?

Like many of us, he found hard to resist answering posts.  The strife he was causing (as he does every time he's posted in the past) had us considering it before he asked.   :shrug:
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Re: Doctors Treating Coronavirus Told to Discriminate Against Elderly Patients: They “Will be Left t
« Reply #142 on: March 14, 2020, 10:30:27 pm »
Quote from: DB on March 14, 2020, 10:18:47 pm
Why ask to be banned when you can just walk away?

I’m pretty sure it was part of the game he was playing.
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« Reply #143 on: March 14, 2020, 10:31:18 pm »
Quote from: DB on March 14, 2020, 10:25:33 pm
Europe's primary medical tech comes from America. You seem to think that tech would just happen anyway if we were like Europe. If that were so, Europe would already have more innovation than we do because they have a larger population to create it.

American tech saves countless lives the world over. It is the free market that creates it. Chain down the free market and get less of it.

We hear a lot about the high cost of healthcare and pharmaceuticals in America and that is certainly true compared to other countries.  Usually people demand some kind of government intervention to bring those cost down but they forget that there is a consequence for doing that.

How do you bring the cost of healthcare down including pharmaceuticals while at the same time encouraging innovation and discovery? I’ve been in this industry for a long time and I don’t even have a clear answer
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Re: Doctors Treating Coronavirus Told to Discriminate Against Elderly Patients: They “Will be Left t
« Reply #144 on: March 14, 2020, 10:32:29 pm »
Quote from: musiclady on March 14, 2020, 10:30:27 pm
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Re: Doctors Treating Coronavirus Told to Discriminate Against Elderly Patients: They “Will be Left t
« Reply #145 on: March 14, 2020, 10:33:15 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2020, 10:29:34 pm
Like many of us, he found hard to resist answering posts.  The strife he was causing (as he does every time he's posted in the past) had us considering it before he asked.   :shrug:

Well , he WAS advocating eugenics and socialism on a conservative board.

Pretty sure it wasn’t sincerity on his part that made him say what he did.
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« Reply #146 on: March 14, 2020, 10:34:03 pm »
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I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Re: Doctors Treating Coronavirus Told to Discriminate Against Elderly Patients: They “Will be Left t
« Reply #147 on: March 14, 2020, 10:34:50 pm »
Quote from: DB on March 14, 2020, 10:25:33 pm
Europe's primary medical tech comes from America. You seem to think that tech would just happen anyway if we were like Europe. If that were so, Europe would already have more innovation than we do because they have a larger population to create it.

American tech saves countless lives the world over. It is the free market that creates it. Chain down the free market and get less of it.

And that is the central flaw in any socialist scheme.  Leftists choose to ignore the innovation factor, except to say government has to do it.  They are perpetually surprised to learn that R&D is mostly done in the private sector, and not the government.
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Re: Doctors Treating Coronavirus Told to Discriminate Against Elderly Patients: They “Will be Left t
« Reply #148 on: March 14, 2020, 10:35:20 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2020, 10:29:34 pm
Like many of us, he found hard to resist answering posts.  The strife he was causing (as he does every time he's posted in the past) had us considering it before he asked.   :shrug:

As annoying as he may be he does force us to think about how to present our case. On the other hand he really loves to just blow off a factual rebuttal without any actual argument against it and move the goal post somewhere else...
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« Reply #149 on: March 14, 2020, 10:40:33 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2020, 10:29:34 pm
Like many of us, he found hard to resist answering posts.  The strife he was causing (as he does every time he's posted in the past) had us considering it before he asked.   :shrug:

I’m not gonna pick on him too much because he’s not here to defend himself but at times he was able to defend his argument with a link or something but too often his response was to summarily dismiss information  that he did not want to hear and that is a human trait that we all fall victim to from time to time


  But back to the subject at hand. I saw a blip on the news where the US has something like 96,000 ICU beds and by the time this virus runs it’s course, we could have 200,000 individuals needing them. I think there’s going to be some very tough, heart wrenching decisions made in this country  should that come to pass and I pray it doesn’t
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