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I don’t like either.

And if I only have a choice between never defending anything and screaming like a two year old about nothing at all, I’ll take neither.

The "political technician" in me says screaming like a two-year-old is preferable to taking it like a dog with his tail between his legs.  The tail thing by Dubya is how we got O'Bama.

Put another way, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" gets better results in politics.  That's why the press tries to stuff everything they don't like down a memory hole.
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The "political technician" in me says screaming like a two-year-old is preferable to taking it like a dog with his tail between his legs.  The tail thing by Dubya is how we got O'Bama.

Put another way, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" gets better results in politics.  That's why the press tries to stuff everything they don't like down a memory hole.

They not only try @Cyber Liberty they do!  Witness James Wolfe!  Ask @musiclady if she knows anything about who he is or what he did.
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The "political technician" in me says screaming like a two-year-old is preferable to taking it like a dog with his tail between his legs.  The tail thing by Dubya is how we got O'Bama.

Put another way, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" gets better results in politics.  That's why the press tries to stuff everything they don't like down a memory hole.

There's also something called biting the hand that feeds you.  And it's safe to say that had Fox not given Trump so much air time...and that includes air time to spread unchallenged false rumors about other candidates...he wouldn't have gotten elected.

And trashing them on Twitter is how he repays their help.   **nononono*
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Well, @musiclady I doubt you would get far in the political realm with that attitude.  I learned the hard way that one MUST defend himself at all times against even the silliest accusations if you want to succeed. Trump is the ONLY president remotely on my side who has done that effectively in my lifetime.

Well, I certainly agree with the word "remote" in describing how much he's on our side....

But I have to strongly disagree that anything he says in his infantile rages is "effective."

There IS an in between.  Adults defend themselves against spurious attacks and slander all the time without behaving like out of control toddlers.

Actually, it's disturbing that people who actually are adults find this kind of behavior somehow satisfying.  It is NEVER the right thing to behave like a boor.  Like the enemy.  Like the left.

Never.
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The "political technician" in me says screaming like a two-year-old is preferable to taking it like a dog with his tail between his legs.  The tail thing by Dubya is how we got O'Bama.

Put another way, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" gets better results in politics.  That's why the press tries to stuff everything they don't like down a memory hole.

Always the "either/or" false equivalency.

You don't have to be either extreme, and accepting unacceptable behavior because it's "better" than doing nothing at all is a spurious argument.

But it's interesting that none of you Trump apologists bring up Ronald Reagan and how he defended himself with honor and maturity.

I guess it's because it completely destroys your defense of the indefensible.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

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Always the "either/or" false equivalency.

You don't have to be either extreme, and accepting unacceptable behavior because it's "better" than doing nothing at all is a spurious argument.

But it's interesting that none of you Trump apologists bring up Ronald Reagan and how he defended himself with honor and maturity.

I guess it's because it completely destroys your defense of the indefensible.

It's also quite interesting that YOU equate the political atmosphere of 40 years ago with that of today!
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Exactly. That’s the exact right point.

It’s one thing to criticize any president for his actions or words, and that’s fine in normal times. That’s free speech.

But, these are not normal times. With the election of Donald Trump, a sickness has infected Washington’s elites, democrats and some republicans (but I repeat myself): TDS, “resistance” and NeverTrumpism.

There’s a new phenomenon in play here. Treacherous, disloyal, subversive actions underlie every single news story that’s written or said about Trump by the news media, top FBI and CIA officials, state department employees, politicians in general, academics, geeks, freaks and democrats (but I repeat myself).

To run with media conspiracies without first checking it’s accuracy lends legitimacy to a coup attempt!

Nitpicking Trump without first getting the skinny only aids and abets the coup plotters and democrats (but I repeat myself).

Come on folks. Don’t be like Bob.

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THIS is exactly the problem with the True BelieversTM.  Your salvation as an American (Not speaking religiously here) do not rest in Trump or any one man.  He’s doing good things, to be sure, and I applaud his efforts to seize back some control from the deep state (or at least shine a light on it).  But he is just one man and not beyond reproach and criticism, constructive or otherwise.
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@Bigun
That's right - And why I take exception with Tumpy whining about Cavuto.
That might not be fair, btw... I have not watched Cavuto in a long time. But if he is what he was, which I have no reason to doubt, honest criticism is fair play.

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I haven't heard Cavuto in a while, but I have heard him praise the economic growth.
After all, he is an economics guy.
Like most (me included) h'ed like the debt to go down, cut spending.
Shepard Smith was no Trump fan no matter what he has done.
Cavuto seemed more impartial, so I've thought.

That's right.

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That's right.

Yup.  I like Neil a whole lot, he tells it like it is.  And I'd bet a fifty-cent piece he'll be voting Trump in November.
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It's also quite interesting that YOU equate the political atmosphere of 40 years ago with that of today!

Right doesn’t change with the passage of time.

Methods may adapt, but doing the right thing isn’t malleable because a few decades have gone by.

I’d be willing to bet that you, @Bigun, didn’t behave like an honorable man 40 years ago and behave like an infantile boor now.

What you are doing is making excuses that don’t translate into how conservatives live our lives.
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Yup.  I like Neil a whole lot, he tells it like it is.  And I'd bet a fifty-cent piece he'll be voting Trump in November.

I will not - But I do appreciate a reporter who is evenhanded about things.

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Cavuto is a "Rush" wanna be, not a news guy and should expect blowback from his commentary and should also develop the "thick skin" to absorb some hits...
Just because you are on TV does not give you the right to say whatever you want while your target take it....

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Cavuto is a "Rush" wanna be, not a news guy and should expect blowback from his commentary and should also develop the "thick skin" to absorb some hits...
Just because you are on TV does not give you the right to say whatever you want while your target take it....

Oh he'll take it alright - Much better than Tumpy ever did... There will likely be a quippy rejoinder however...

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Your entire post is a testament to your belief that your convictions are malleable because RIGHT NOW you believe the ends justifies the means.  It is nothing but a “Yeah, but...”.

THIS is exactly the problem with the True BelieversTM.  Your salvation as an American (Not speaking religiously here) do not rest in Trump or any one man.  He’s doing good things, to be sure, and I applaud his efforts to seize back some control from the deep state (or at least shine a light on it).  But he is just one man and not beyond reproach and criticism, constructive or otherwise.

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   There was and still can be a happy medium between the extremes of the GWB and Trump approach to the constant attack from the left, we've seen it before and hopefully we will see it again, in our Lifetimes. 
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   There was and still can be a happy medium between the extremes of the GWB and Trump approach to the constant attack from the left, we've seen it before and hopefully we will see it again, in our Lifetimes.

A happy medium would produce a John Kasich-type candidate that pseudo-conservatives would like.  In political terms, "road-kill."
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A happy medium would produce a John Kasich-type candidate that pseudo-conservatives would like.  In political terms, "road-kill."

No. A Reagan, or a Tom 'The Hammer' Delay... Even a Gingrich in his day.

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A happy medium would produce a John Kasich-type candidate that pseudo-conservatives would like.  In political terms, "road-kill."

No. No. NO!!

That is an excuse, not reasoning.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Ya know, you put a finger on one of the less interesting arguments I see in the Always Trump/Never Trump War.  "What, I'm not allowed to disagree/agree with anything he does/doesn't do?"

No rational person agrees or disagrees with every single thing he does.  Every silver lining has a cloud.  Nobody agrees with me 100%, heck I don't agree with myself sometimes. :shrug:

Usually we can disagree with someone (such as a political ally or friend) without putting up a billboard about it, or buying commercial time on radio and broadcasting it, repeating it over and over again.

But, if I happen to disagree with a socialist, leftist, democrat or American traitor (but I repeat myself),  then I might buy airtime.

See the difference?

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No. A Reagan, or a Tom 'The Hammer' Delay... Even a Gingrich in his day.


   That's more along the lines that I was thinking about @roamer_1 when I posted that.
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   That's more along the lines that I was thinking about @roamer_1 when I posted that.

I would figger as much @corbe   :beer: :patriot: :seeya:

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Your entire post is a testament to your belief that your convictions are malleable because RIGHT NOW you believe the ends justifies the means.  It is nothing but a “Yeah, but...”.

THIS is exactly the problem with the True BelieversTM.  Your salvation as an American (Not speaking religiously here) do not rest in Trump or any one man.  He’s doing good things, to be sure, and I applaud his efforts to seize back some control from the deep state (or at least shine a light on it).  But he is just one man and not beyond reproach and criticism, constructive or otherwise.

So what happens if they manage to impeach Trump 6 months from now, make it stick and remove him from office? The cultural marxists are already out for blood; what do you think will happen to poor, mild mannered Mike Pence? They’ll Kavanaugh or Roy Moore him in a second! then say hi to Madame Pelosi.

Trump’s gruff toughness and unique skills and hard work are keeping the barbarians from consuming us regular, normal Americans.

Trump’s the right man at the right moment in time. No question about it. In fact, I’d say it was exactly his personality that helped bring pervasive bureaucratic corruption out into the open and shed light onto it like never before. I think we should be thanking him, not disparage him.
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So what happens if they manage to impeach Trump 6 months from now, make it stick and remove him from office? The cultural marxists are already out for blood; what do you think will happen to poor, mild mannered Mike Pence? They’ll Kavanaugh or Roy Moore him in a second! then say hi to Madame Pelosi.

Trump’s gruff toughness and unique skills and hard work are keeping the barbarians from consuming us regular, normal Americans.

Trump’s the right man at the right moment in time. No question about it. In fact, I’d say it was exactly his personality that helped bring pervasive bureaucratic corruption out into the open and shed light onto it like never before. I think we should be thanking him, not disparage him.
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   When I'm not watching Liberals heads exploding I watch the Barnyard Channel.
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