Gaetz: Pelosi May Have Broken the Law in Ripping Up Speech

[mystery-ak]

Gaetz: Pelosi May Have Broken the Law in Ripping Up Speech
Leah Barkoukis

Posted: Feb 06, 2020 7:30 AM

While Democrats are applauding House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for ripping apart President Trump’ s State of the Union address Tuesday night, Republicans don't want to let her get away with the move. Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) announced Wednesday that he is filing an ethics complaint against the speaker, while Rep. Paul Gosar said he is introducing a resolution to censure her. Others, meanwhile, called on her to resign.

“BREAKING: I’m filing an ethics complaint against @SpeakerPelosi for destroying @realDonaldTrump’s State of the Union speech,” Gaetz tweeted. “Her conduct was beneath the dignity of the House, and a potential violation of law (18 USC 2071). Nobody is above the law. She must be held accountable.”

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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2020/02/06/gaetz-files-ethics-complaint-against-pelosi-n2560865

[musiclady]

I just read about this!

In a perfect world, she would be prosecuted and jailed for her crime.


But alas........ the world is highly flawed, and Dems never receive the justice they deserve.....   

[mystery-ak]

Rep. Matt Gaetz Filing Charges Against Pelosi For Ripping Up SOTU Address
https://dailycaller.com/2020/02/06/matt-gaetz-charges-pelosi-ripping-sotu/

[Cyber Liberty]

Gosar is the US Representative for Castillo del Cyber.

[Bigun]

I wish them every success!

[Jazzhead]

I have no problem with opposing folks for political differences, but indicting them?   

[libertybele]

I have no problem with opposing folks for political differences, but indicting them?

Look a the article again @Jazzhead. It is not the fact that she had a difference of opinion; that article specifically mentions that she may have violated 18 U.S. Code 2071 - which reads:

(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2071

[Cyber Liberty]

Look a the article again @Jazzhead. It is not the fact that she had a difference of opinion; that article specifically mentions that she may have violated 18 U.S. Code 2071 - which reads:

(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2071

In short, unlawful destruction of government property. 

[Lando Lincoln]

In short, unlawful destruction of government property.

Well, she does like to say no one is above the law (except for illegal immigrants). 

Good luck with enforcement.

[musiclady]

In short, unlawful destruction of government property.

Who prosecutes such crimes?  The DOJ?? A Federal Court??

[Polly Ticks]

Look a the article again @Jazzhead. It is not the fact that she had a difference of opinion; that article specifically mentions that she may have violated 18 U.S. Code 2071 - which reads:

(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2071

Hubby and I were talking about that after the SOTU, wondering if Pelosi's temper tantrum were strictly speaking legal.  Interesting that it was not, but I can't believe that anything will actually come of it.

[WhatWouldReaganDo]

 

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/charlie-kirk-claims-nancy-pelosi-could-go-to-prison-for-tearing-up-sotu-address-the-internet-points-and-laughs/

[conservativevoter]

Look at it this way:  A senile old lady (Pelosi) just ripped up some paper.  She is also prone to lying without any provocation.  If this ever went to the SC, they would let her off with being too loony. 

[Cyber Liberty]

Who prosecutes such crimes?  The DOJ?? A Federal Court??

Yes, I would presume DoJ and a Federal court.  I really don't see this happening, but she should be censured for violating the rules of the House, which she definitely did with her antics all through the SOTU.  Since it's a Rat Congress, it will fail.  I really don't see the point in making Pelosi look mature by comparison.

[musiclady]

Yes, I would presume DoJ and a Federal court.  I really don't see this happening, but she should be censured for violating the rules of the House, which she definitely did with her antics all through the SOTU.  Since it's a Rat Congress, it will fail.  I really don't see the point in making Pelosi look mature by comparison.

Of course nothing will happen, but something inside me says it’s a good thing to try...

[libertybele]

Of course nothing will happen, but something inside me says it’s a good thing to try...

I don't think anything will happen either as the DEMS are above the law.  Why is that though?  The GOP has failed time and time again to get up off their butts and go after them.  The other problem lies with the DOJ itself.  Not quite sure about Barr -- but he needs to start doing his job and start indicting some people.  If he doesn't -- we need a new AG.

[catfish1957]

Pelosi's  speech shredding stunt was a PR stunt.  It warrants more political retribution than legal. (IMO)

Let's focus the anger toward re-taking the House, and sitting her ugly ass back down to the floor as a Minority Leader.

[Bigun]

Of course nothing will happen, but something inside me says it’s a good thing to try...

Someone doing the right thing is always a good thing to see. Too bad it's such a rarity in the halls of Congress.

[Jazzhead]

Of course nothing will happen, but something inside me says it’s a good thing to try...

Be careful what you wish for.  Warren has already shouted from the rooftops her ambition to prosecute Trump administration officials.    This is how it's done in Venezuela, not the United States.  This is why I was never comfortable with Trump encouraging calls of "Lock her up" at his rallies. 

The comity that has characterized the American two party system for most of its existence is predicated on the peaceful transfer of power in accordance with the Peoples' wishes,  and the losing party's willingness to be a loyal opposition.  Those notions have, of course, been overturned in the Trump era,  but it is vital that we return to them.   I strongly oppose this new "tradition" of seeking to criminally punish one's defeated political opponents.   

[Cyber Liberty]

Be careful what you wish for.  Warren has already shouted from the rooftops her ambition to prosecute Trump administration officials.    This is how it's done in Venezuela, not the United States.  This is why I was never comfortable with Trump encouraging calls of "Lock her up" at his rallies. 

The comity that has characterized the American two party system for most of its existence is predicated on the peaceful transfer of power in accordance with the Peoples' wishes,  and the losing party's willingness to be a loyal opposition.  Those notions have, of course, been overturned in the Trump era,  but it is vital that we return to them.   I strongly oppose this new "tradition" of seeking to criminally punish one's defeated political opponents.

The Dems are willing to dig in and wait for the GOP to call for "comity" while continuing the tactics that have worked for them for decades.  I am not willing to return to that normal, because it means "Left always wins, Right always loses." 

It's like a game of chicken.  The Rats have always known the Pubbies would veer off, every time.  They still think that we will, and as long as they do then we need to keep somebody like Trump at the wheel.  Only when they realize they don't hold all the cards will they agree to any kind of fair "comity."  That is not the way it's heading here in 2020.  The Rats have declared open war now.  Surrender is not an option.

[Jazzhead]

@Cyber Liberty,  I am not suggesting we "surrender".   I am suggesting we step back from the abyss.

[musiclady]

Be careful what you wish for.  Warren has already shouted from the rooftops her ambition to prosecute Trump administration officials.    This is how it's done in Venezuela, not the United States.  This is why I was never comfortable with Trump encouraging calls of "Lock her up" at his rallies. 

The comity that has characterized the American two party system for most of its existence is predicated on the peaceful transfer of power in accordance with the Peoples' wishes,  and the losing party's willingness to be a loyal opposition.  Those notions have, of course, been overturned in the Trump era,  but it is vital that we return to them.   I strongly oppose this new "tradition" of seeking to criminally punish one's defeated political opponents.

I get your point.

There was a time when strength didn’t require vengeance....... and there is never a time when acting like a childish bully is appropriate...... no matter what the other guys have done.

I’m afraid, however, that post Trump the Republican Party can never return to the Reagan party of strength and civility.

Now ‘strength’ requires acting as infantile as the dems do.

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty,  I am not suggesting we "surrender".   I am suggesting we step back from the abyss.

Dems first.  They lit this fire.

[musiclady]

Dems first.  They lit this fire.

With that attitude we all burn to death.

[catfish1957]

I’m afraid, however, that post Trump the Republican Party can never return to the Reagan party of strength and civility.

Now ‘strength’ requires acting as infantile as the dems do.

I am sorry.  I think things went south permanently the day the punk POTUS Barry Soetero made this quote in 2009....

“Elections have consequences.” It’s the political way for winners to tell losers: “Tough luck, you lost. Get over it.”

Don't put the blame on Trump for that.  The dims took this to the gutter permanently.