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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #650 on: February 25, 2020, 09:09:16 pm »
It would behoove Trump when he returns to the US to give a speech or press conference to outline the government's plans for fighting the coronavirus. The incipient panic is counterproductive, but the White House's current "nothing to see here" attitude isn't helpful, either.
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« Reply #651 on: February 25, 2020, 09:31:23 pm »
Why would you keep onions under your bed? I’ve not heard of this. I bought extra liquid soap and Purell.

This virus is transmitted like the flu and is easily transmitted.  Think about the transmission of the flu -- one of the ways is through a cough or a sneeze.  It is airborne -- perhaps the cornavirus is airborne as well.  Washing hands may help, but ultimately, even though it was once thought they did more harm than good -- masks seem appropriate.  Good luck trying to order them or find them in the stores.

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« Reply #652 on: February 25, 2020, 10:37:08 pm »
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Several N.Koreans Rumored Dead of Coronavirus
By Kim Myong-song | February 26, 2020 11:18

Eight people are rumored to have died of coronavirus in North Korea, a diplomatic source said Tuesday.

The source said the reason North Korea sealed its borders on Jan. 22 was that a number of people there had already died of coronavirus.



But according to the source, the people who died last month were family members of North Korean diplomats in China and workers in Pyongyang.

Read more at: http://english.chosun.com/m/svc/article.html?contid=2020022601693

This below is news from the Iranian opposition.

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Death of a nurse and two other women due to Corona infection
February 25, 2020
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Narges Khanalizadeh, 25 and a nurse, died at Milad Hospital of Lahijan on Tuesday, February 25, 2020 due to Corona infection. The tests of two women who died in Saveh were also positive.

One of the authorities of Milad Hospital said Narges Khanalizadeh had died due to flu, but she had died due to Corona infection and lack of the necessary equipment for physicians and nurses in the hospital. (The state-run Fars news agency – February 25, 2020)

On the deaths of the two other women, the president of the Medical Sciences University of Saveh, Abbas Nikravesh, told the state-run ISNA news agency that the first case belonged to an 82-year-old woman who had a heart condition, kidney condition and a chronic blood disease. She had referred to Modarress Hospital with acute respiratory symptoms and fever, and died after one day.

More: https://women.ncr-iran.org/2020/02/25/death-of-a-nurse-and-two-other-women-due-to-corona-infection/

I think they are saying Chinese students probably brought in the coronavirus from China... which is pitiful for your typical common Iranian. Even one of the Iranian officials got it. You wonder how widespread it is in Iran?
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« Reply #653 on: February 26, 2020, 11:53:31 am »
14% of recovered coronavirus patients in China's Guangdong tested positive again
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/14-of-recovered-coronavirus-patients-in-chinas-guangdong-tested-positive-again
FEB 26, 2020

About 14 per cent of patients who recovered from the novel coronavirus and were discharged from hospitals in southern China's Guangdong province were tested positive again in later check-ups, according to the local health authority.

A positive test suggests the recovered patients may still carry the virus, adding complexity to efforts to control the outbreak.

There is no clear conclusion on why it happens and whether such patients could still be infectious, said Song Tie, deputy director of the Guangdong Centre of Disease Control And Prevention (Guangdong CDC), at a Tuesday (Feb 25) briefing.

According to the preliminary assessment, experts believed the patients are still recovering from lung infections and have yet to be fully healthy, according to Song....
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« Reply #654 on: February 26, 2020, 12:13:32 pm »
Grounded: No bowling, dining out, or handshakes for US troops in South Korea after first soldier infected with coronavirus

by Jamie McIntyre

February 26, 2020 11:46 AM

 
American commanders in South Korea have imposed health protection condition Charlie for 28,500 U.S. troops and their families, which places restrictions on activities and interpersonal contact, after an American soldier stationed was found to have been infected by the COVID-19 virus.

The soldier was based at Camp Carroll in a town near Daegu, where the latest outbreak is centered.

The Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said 216 of 284 new cases reported were in Daegu.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #655 on: February 26, 2020, 01:07:29 pm »
Brazil confirms first coronavirus case in Latin America
https://apnews.com/fd3d0d0120dd10f3d09bad78a4dd9539

Brazil’s government confirmed on Wednesday that a 61-year-old Brazilian man who traveled to Italy this month has Latin America’s first confirmed case of the new coronavirus spreading worldwide.

“We will now see how this virus behaves in a tropical country in the middle of summer, how its behavior pattern will be,” Brazil’s Health Minister Luiz Henrique Mandetta said in a press conference....
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #656 on: February 26, 2020, 01:13:52 pm »
Brazil confirms first coronavirus case in Latin America
https://apnews.com/fd3d0d0120dd10f3d09bad78a4dd9539

Brazil’s government confirmed on Wednesday that a 61-year-old Brazilian man who traveled to Italy this month has Latin America’s first confirmed case of the new coronavirus spreading worldwide.

“We will now see how this virus behaves in a tropical country in the middle of summer, how its behavior pattern will be,” Brazil’s Health Minister Luiz Henrique Mandetta said in a press conference....

Gotta agree with the Health Minister. Don't want anyone to be a guinea pig, but now that he has it and exposed others to it, the data will be valuable.
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« Reply #657 on: February 26, 2020, 02:07:28 pm »
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« Reply #658 on: February 26, 2020, 02:20:26 pm »
I was just told on a discussion board that according to a facebook post on a page for Royal Decameron Cornwall Beach, there is a group of 50 from northern Italy who will be arriving in Jamaica on Saturday.  Don't they have the good sense not to go???? They should not even be allowed to board a plane, I hope they are stopped before their trip begins. They will be mingling with not only Jamaicans but with other guests from all over the US, Canada, Europe, etc who will go back home before they are symptomatic.  This is how it starts, folks.

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« Reply #659 on: February 26, 2020, 04:20:06 pm »
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BREAKING NEWS
Mexican port denies cruise ship permission to dock over coronavirus fears
By REUTERS   FEBRUARY 26, 2020 23:09

MEXICO CITY - Mexican port authorities on Wednesday revoked permission for cruise ship MSC Meraviglia to disembark on the island of Cozumel over coronavirus fears, a port official said, after Jamaican and Grand Cayman authorities also said it could not stop.

More:   https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Mexican-port-denies-cruise-ship-permission-to-dock-over-coronavirus-fears-618967

Jamaica denied the ship permission to dock. Maybe they will do the same to these Italians.  @LadyLiberty

I was just told on a discussion board that according to a facebook post on a page for Royal Decameron Cornwall Beach, there is a group of 50 from northern Italy who will be arriving in Jamaica on Saturday.  Don't they have the good sense not to go???? They should not even be allowed to board a plane, I hope they are stopped before their trip begins. They will be mingling with not only Jamaicans but with other guests from all over the US, Canada, Europe, etc who will go back home before they are symptomatic.  This is how it starts, folks.
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« Reply #660 on: February 26, 2020, 04:37:58 pm »
Jamaica denied the ship permission to dock. Maybe they will do the same to these Italians.  @LadyLiberty

I can imagine what would happen if the US tried turning a ship away like that.  If we denied a ship from docking in Puerto Rico, a Hawaiian District judge in the 9th Circus will issue a nationwide injunction forcing the Port Authorities to open the gates into the general population. 

We've already seen low-level State Department bureaucrats green-light Corona flights, without the authority to do so.
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« Reply #661 on: February 26, 2020, 05:30:57 pm »
Jamaica denied the ship permission to dock. Maybe they will do the same to these Italians.  @LadyLiberty

Jamaica has denied a handful of cruise ships from docking. 

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« Reply #662 on: February 26, 2020, 05:50:32 pm »
WHO Director-General's opening remarks at the mission briefing on COVID-19 - 26 February 2020

https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-mission-briefing-on-covid-19---26-february-2020

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Excellencies, dear colleagues and friends,

First of all, good morning and welcome to our weekly mission briefing on COVID-19. I’m glad that we’re maintaining these regular briefings.

A lot has changed since we briefed you last Wednesday, which illustrates the rapidly evolving nature of this epidemic.

As of 6am Geneva time this morning, China has reported 78,190 cases to WHO, including 2718 deaths.

Yesterday, only 10 new cases were reported in China outside of Hubei province.

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The team has made a range of findings about the transmissibility of the virus, the severity of disease and the impact of the measures taken.

They found that the epidemic peaked and plateaued between the 23rd of January and the 2nd of February, and has been declining steadily since then.

They have found that there has been no significant change in the genetic makeup of the virus.

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But the key message that should give all countries hope, courage and confidence is that this virus can be contained.

Indeed, there are many countries that have done exactly that. 14 countries that have had cases have not reported a case for more than a week, and even more importantly, 9 countries have not reported a case for more than two weeks: Belgium, Cambodia, Finland, India, Nepal, Philippines, the Russian Federation, Sri Lanka and Sweden.

But that doesn’t mean that cases may not come back to these countries. But the cases that made it before have been contained.

Outside China, there are now 2,790 cases in 37 countries, and 44 deaths.

Yesterday, the number of new cases reported outside China exceeded the number of new cases in China for the first time.

The sudden increases of cases in Italy, the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Republic of Korea are deeply concerning.

There are now cases linked to Iran in Bahrain, Iraq, Kuwait and Oman.

There are now cases linked to Italy in Algeria, Austria, Croatia, Germany, Spain and Switzerland.

Yesterday a joint team between WHO and the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control arrived in Rome to review the public health measures that have been put in place and provide technical support.

A WHO team will travel to Iran this weekend to provide support.

The increase in cases outside China has prompted some media and politicians to push for a pandemic to be declared. We should not be too eager to declare a pandemic without a careful and clear-minded analysis of the facts.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #663 on: February 26, 2020, 05:58:40 pm »
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« Reply #664 on: February 26, 2020, 06:07:35 pm »
WHO Director-General's opening remarks at the mission briefing on COVID-19 - 26 February 2020

https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-mission-briefing-on-covid-19---26-february-2020
That puts the death rate outside of China at 1.6%, roughly. Bad enough, but that is still less than say, the part of the population who are either immunocompromised or fall into a category of people who are likely to be (nearly 3% of the population in the US). Add in other pre-existing conditions which make a person susceptible to a respiratory virus, and those statistics do not look nearly as bad as the Spanish Flu of 1918, which neared 20%.

IOW, it appears, so far at least, that someone in good health otherwise has a decent chance of beating this bug.
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« Reply #665 on: February 26, 2020, 06:08:36 pm »

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« Reply #666 on: February 26, 2020, 06:30:40 pm »
Trump might try to dispel unreasonable fears, with probabilities and statistics.

But many people are simply not capable of understanding that.

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« Reply #667 on: February 26, 2020, 06:34:24 pm »
The president will be addressing the nation any moment on this.
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« Reply #668 on: February 26, 2020, 06:50:42 pm »
The president will be addressing the nation any moment on this.

He should send Pelosi and her team to Wuhan to find out what's really going on there.

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« Reply #669 on: February 26, 2020, 07:36:51 pm »
He should send Pelosi and her team to Wuhan to find out what's really going on there.

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« Reply #671 on: February 26, 2020, 11:41:38 pm »
Trumpet sure is some persuader ain't he?
As he telling us not to worry, cuz he has everything under control;
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« Reply #672 on: February 27, 2020, 05:31:19 am »
Trumpet sure is some persuader ain't he?
As he telling us not to worry, cuz he has everything under control;
Dow Futures dropped 400 points!!! Way to go Trumpet!!!
If your barometer of public health is the Dow, no wonder you're scared. Of the 35 confirmed cases in the US, five have recovered, none have died, and only one is hospitalized.

Let's see, that means each patient is good for how many points on the Dow?


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« Reply #673 on: February 27, 2020, 06:55:39 am »
This virus is transmitted like the flu and is easily transmitted.  Think about the transmission of the flu -- one of the ways is through a cough or a sneeze.  It is airborne -- perhaps the cornavirus is airborne as well.  Washing hands may help, but ultimately, even though it was once thought they did more harm than good -- masks seem appropriate.  Good luck trying to order them or find them in the stores.

I’ve been wearing a scarf over my mouth and nose when I’m out on errands, but I take it off when I’m in the car.

I should get Lysol wipes for the car, for the steering wheel, and other things I touch,
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« Reply #674 on: February 27, 2020, 06:58:06 am »
I’ve been wearing a scarf over my mouth and nose when I’m out on errands, but I take it off when I’m in the car.

I should get Lysol wipes for the car, for the steering wheel, and other things I touch,
Just make sure your scarf has an "out" side and an "in" side, and don't get that mixed up.
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« Reply #675 on: February 27, 2020, 07:17:24 am »


Oh no, mine looked like:



But my little brother's looked like:

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« Reply #676 on: February 27, 2020, 09:16:12 am »
If your barometer of public health is the Dow, no wonder you're scared. Of the 35 confirmed cases in the US, five have recovered, none have died, and only one is hospitalized.

Let's see, that means each patient is good for how many points on the Dow?

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One of my first job out of college had epidemiological  reporting inteactions requirments with the CDC at the State Level.  One old salty guy in Atlanta I sometimes dealt with told me that some of the media genreated mania generated was more of a overall health detriment tham the disease itself.  OF course this was just a few years after the Swine Flu mania debacle of the mid to late 1970's.

My honest opinion?  There are three key things to watch.....

(1) Communicability of the infection vector....   
(2) Mortality rate.  60 or so days in, nothing is giving me any indication that this thing is exceeding the 2-3% Mortaity Rate.  If this continues, this will not be that much more impactful than a normal seasonal flu, which has a 2%, +. or - some change.
(3) And most important, the mutation abilty of the virus.  (1) and (2) now seem managable, in its impact on society.  All bets are off if (3) show change.
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« Reply #677 on: February 27, 2020, 09:20:16 am »
@Smokin Joe

One of my first job out of college had epidemiological  reporting inteactions requirments with the CDC at the State Level.  One old salty guy in Atlanta I sometimes dealt with told me that some of the media genreated mania generated was more of a overall health detriment tham the disease itself.  OF course this was just a few years after the Swine Flu mania debacle of the mid to  1970's.

My honest opinion?  There are three key things to watch.....

(1) Communicability of the infection vector....   
(2) Mortality rate.  60 or so days in, nothing is giving me any indication that this thing is exceeding the 2-3% Mortaity Rate.  If this continues, this will not be that much more impactful than a normal seasonal flu, which has a 2%
(3) And most important, the mutation abilty of the virus.  (1) and (2) now seem managable, in its impact on society.  All bets are off if (3) show change.
I agree. Outside China the mortality rate is at 1.1% of known cases.
Those who were infected  but generally asymptomatic may not have been included, simply because their symptoms may have been mild enough that they were never tested. (Some people get brutal colds, others seem to not ever get one, and that may be an unseen factor in this disease.)
The mention of SARS and MERS certainly has the fear factor enhanced, but this virus is neither, or the mortality rates would be considerably higher. 
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #678 on: February 27, 2020, 09:31:49 am »
@Smokin Joe

One of my first job out of college had epidemiological  reporting inteactions requirments with the CDC at the State Level.  One old salty guy in Atlanta I sometimes dealt with told me that some of the media genreated mania generated was more of a overall health detriment tham the disease itself.  OF course this was just a few years after the Swine Flu mania debacle of the mid to late 1970's.

My honest opinion?  There are three key things to watch.....

(1) Communicability of the infection vector....   
(2) Mortality rate.  60 or so days in, nothing is giving me any indication that this thing is exceeding the 2-3% Mortaity Rate.  If this continues, this will not be that much more impactful than a normal seasonal flu, which has a 2%, +. or - some change.
(3) And most important, the mutation abilty of the virus.  (1) and (2) now seem managable, in its impact on society.  All bets are off if (3) show change.

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Only caveat I’ll add to your number 2 is this. From what I’ve read, the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918 which killed more than 20million people ALSO had a mortality rate of about 2.5%
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« Reply #679 on: February 27, 2020, 09:32:13 am »
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One of my first job out of college had epidemiological  reporting inteactions requirments with the CDC at the State Level.  One old salty guy in Atlanta I sometimes dealt with told me that some of the media genreated mania generated was more of a overall health detriment tham the disease itself.  OF course this was just a few years after the Swine Flu mania debacle of the mid to late 1970's.

My honest opinion?  There are three key things to watch.....

(1) Communicability of the infection vector....   
(2) Mortality rate.  60 or so days in, nothing is giving me any indication that this thing is exceeding the 2-3% Mortaity Rate.  If this continues, this will not be that much more impactful than a normal seasonal flu, which has a 2%, +. or - some change.
(3) And most important, the mutation abilty of the virus.  (1) and (2) now seem managable, in its impact on society.  All bets are off if (3) show change.

That is encouraging.

But why do you suppose China has virtually turned off its economy to deal with the virus? That would seem to imply Covid19 is more serious than the average flu.

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« Reply #680 on: February 27, 2020, 09:47:17 am »
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Only caveat I’ll add to your number 2 is this. From what I’ve read, the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918 which killed more than 20million people ALSO had a mortality rate of about 2.5%
We don't know the mortality rate of this virus, really. China's stats aren't trustworthy. Confirmed cases outside of China have been running 1.1% so far.
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« Reply #681 on: February 27, 2020, 09:49:56 am »
'Incoherent': Top WHO official rips Trump's 'ignorant' coronavirus news conference
by Dominick Mastrangelo
 | February 27, 2020 09:26 AM



A top official at the World Health Organization said President Trump's news conference on the American response to the COVID-19 virus made little sense.

"I found most of what he said a little incoherent," Ezekiel Emanuel, special adviser to the director-general of the World Health Organization, said Wednesday on MSNBC's Hardball. "You know, [Trump's] a guy that admitted that he’s surprised that 25,000 to 69,000 people each year die of the flu. That just tells you how little he actually knows about public health and about the health of the American public."

Emanuel said Trump's news conference revealed how "ignorant" he is about the global outbreak that has infected tens of thousands and led to the deaths of more than 2,000 people around the world.

There have been 60 confirmed cases of the coronavirus in the United States so far.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #682 on: February 27, 2020, 09:49:59 am »
That is encouraging.

But why do you suppose China has virtually turned off its economy to deal with the virus? That would seem to imply Covid19 is more serious than the average flu.

That initially concerned me too.  But remember the virus vector has about a 14 day life cycle.  Introduction to end result.  We are now in at least 2 cycles of the virus outside of China.  Yes too early to make a 100% evaluation of impact, but we will have a much better handle of lethality in about 2 weeks. What I am not hearing, and am most concerned about is what is the abiltiy to this virus to mutate.  In our case we have stocked up much like we would for a hurricane. (A couple of weeks of food, water) Being 60+, no need to increase our chance of infection.

Like myself, nation still needs to make necessary calm zero-hysteria contingent preparations.  Better safe than sorry. But I am feeling a little better of late around overall impact.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #683 on: February 27, 2020, 10:03:11 am »
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Only caveat I’ll add to your number 2 is this. From what I’ve read, the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918 which killed more than 20million people ALSO had a mortality rate of about 2.5%

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This is one that genealogy really came in handy for me.  I have always felt that 2.5% mortaility was substantially lower than actual.  1918, was well before public health montioring systems and before when death certificates were 100% institutionalized.  If you look at the overall 1918 deaths in country, versus say what was confirmed on a d/c.  Many old time doctors early on, often called it a pneumonia.  Back then, there obviously was no testing   I think it would show that the disease was well undereported, especially early on.

Another dynamic which was so much different then than now, is the mobility of the populus.  People today, travel so much more than then. The Flu epidemic strangly often would wipe out a significant chunk of town, while other geopgraphic locations may not have recorded a case.  That also impact the percieved mortality rate.
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« Reply #684 on: February 27, 2020, 10:04:19 am »
Japan to close schools nationwide to control spread of coronavirus
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« Reply #685 on: February 27, 2020, 10:05:40 am »
'Incoherent': Top WHO official rips Trump's 'ignorant' coronavirus news conference
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Typical MSNBC.....   Exploiting a health crisis for left wing political gain.  Hope there is a nice little corner in hell for these bastards.
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« Reply #686 on: February 27, 2020, 10:07:51 am »
Japan to close schools nationwide to control spread of coronavirus
https://nypost.com/2020/02/27/japan-to-close-schools-nationwide-to-control-spread-of-virus/

As technologially savy as the Japanese are, I am surprised they don't have some form of contingent School teleconfererncing
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« Reply #687 on: February 27, 2020, 10:08:15 am »
Typical MSNBC.....   Exploiting a health crisis for left wing political gain.  Hope there is a nice little corner in hell for these bastards.

You and I both. I pray the rest of the public is perceptive enough to find them as repellent as they should.

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« Reply #688 on: February 27, 2020, 10:20:37 am »
Typical MSNBC.....   Exploiting a health crisis for left wing political gain.  Hope there is a nice little corner in hell for these bastards.
If Trump is "ignorant" then he wasn't briefed. We (taxpayers) shell out for a small army of experts who can do just that. But the CDC lady is Rosenstein's sister. No "deep state" action going on here, folks... *****rollingeyes*****

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« Reply #689 on: February 27, 2020, 10:21:33 am »
It’s time to panic, folks. A woman in Northern California has the flu! Run away!

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« Reply #690 on: February 27, 2020, 10:23:22 am »
We don't know the mortality rate of this virus, really. China's stats aren't trustworthy. Confirmed cases outside of China have been running 1.1% so far.

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What bothers me most Joe, is that at some point on the horizon, we are going to see a perfect storm of where the lethality, mutability, and communicability that DOES become an international infrastruture crisis.  That concern was there with H5N1.  The concern was strong, that in my role as emergency manager at my plant, we were company wide particpant of a such a comprehenive intricate contingency plan, we had it forumulated and implemented to the point of a flip of a light switch.  Very scary stuff, which included quantantined plant workers and maintnenance, pre-sterilized drops of provisions, on site physicians, etc.

Thankfully, H5N1 (Bird Flu) never panned out.
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« Reply #691 on: February 27, 2020, 10:26:41 am »
"I found most of what he said a little incoherent," Ezekiel Emanuel, special adviser to the director-general of the World Health Organization, said Wednesday on MSNBC's Hardball. "You know, [Trump's] a guy that admitted that he’s surprised that 25,000 to 69,000 people each year die of the flu. That just tells you how little he actually knows about public health and about the health of the American public."

If the name  Ezekiel Emanuel sounds familiar, it should.  From Wiki:

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Ezekiel Jonathan "Zeke" Emanuel (born September 6, 1957) is an American oncologist and bioethicist[2] and senior fellow at the Center for American Progress. He is the current Vice Provost for Global Initiatives at the University of Pennsylvania and chair of the Department of Medical Ethics and Health Policy.

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His two younger brothers are former Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel and Hollywood-based talent agent Ari Emanuel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezekiel_Emanuel

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« Reply #692 on: February 27, 2020, 10:28:24 am »
@Smokin Joe

What bothers me most Joe, is that at some point on the horizon, we are going to see a perfect storm of where the lethality, mutability, and communicability that DOES become an international infrastruture crisis.  That concern was there with H5N1.  The concern was strong, that in my role as emergency manager at my plant, we were company wide particpant of a such a comprehenive intricate contingency plan, we had it forumulated and implemented to the point of a light switch.  Very scary stuff, which included quantantined plant workers and maintnenance, pre-sterilized drops of provisions, on site physicians, etc.

Thankfully, H5N1 (Bird Flu) never panned out.
I was watching that one, too.
It seems that somewhere along the line, virii sacrifice lethality for communicability. (I guess making it on the margin vs volume exists in the pathogen world, too.) Some day, there will likely be a superbug that either develops on its own or is developed for warfare that will combine those characteristics of being highly communicable and highly lethal, but such would be something no government in their right mind would want to deploy--nor store where their population was vulnerable.
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« Reply #693 on: February 27, 2020, 10:29:54 am »
If the name  Ezekiel Emanuel sounds familiar, it should.  From Wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezekiel_Emanuel

He's not one to ever let a crisis go to waste.
"American oncologist and bioethicist[2]"

and that makes him an expert on epidemiological matters?  And the degree to go on TV to come across as an expert on such matters?

AMA needs to sanction him, fine him, or whatever they need to do to make him STFU.

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« Reply #694 on: February 27, 2020, 10:39:35 am »
It appears that Trump's news conference didn't lessen fears as I see the DOW plummeting again today. 

I asked a stock trader buddy several years back as to what had caused the market to drop a huge amount on a particular day and his comment was, "a cockroach tripped over a cigarette butt". lololol  It takes very little to instill fear into the market.  Let's just pray this is a HUGE overreaction.

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« Reply #695 on: February 27, 2020, 11:07:33 am »
It appears that Trump's news conference didn't lessen fears as I see the DOW plummeting again today. 

I asked a stock trader buddy several years back as to what had caused the market to drop a huge amount on a particular day and his comment was, "a cockroach tripped over a cigarette butt". lololol  It takes very little to instill fear into the market.  Let's just pray this is a HUGE overreaction.

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« Reply #696 on: February 27, 2020, 11:10:15 am »
I’m really worried. This is upsetting. I hope it corrects itself soon.

Not me.  One of my favorite quotes in the world of investing is .....    "run in when everyone else is running out panicking"

Worked well for me in '87, '01, and '09.  I still want about a 5-8% correction before I start getting giddy.
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« Reply #697 on: February 27, 2020, 11:11:04 am »
I’m really worried. This is upsetting. I hope it corrects itself soon.

We're already up 500 from the session low.
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« Reply #698 on: February 27, 2020, 11:19:36 am »
We're already up 500 from the session low.

Still can't beleive the 30 year treasuries touched 1.75% this morning.  Yuck.
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« Reply #699 on: February 27, 2020, 11:57:20 am »
One official and now, the female VP of Iran, have the virus:

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2020/02/27/Iranian-Vice-President-Masoumeh-Ebtekar-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-Report.html

Moscow, rounding up strays, killing rats.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/02/27/moscow-rounds-up-stray-animals-kills-rats-over-coronavirus-fears-a69436

That doesn't sound good. I heard dogs would not transfer the disease, terrifying for the critters.

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    The spike in Covid-19 cases has heightened interest in the controversial church, which accounts for over half of the country’s infections
    Anger and mistrust reached a peak when an online post detailed its alleged plans to infiltrate traditional churches to spread the virus

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3052550/south-korea-mounting-anger-rumours-over-shincheonji

That would be evil if they did this.

Also, per going to Mecca, a lot of people not being let in by Saudi Arabia:

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2020/02/27/Saudi-Arabia-suspends-entry-for-Umrah-pilgrimage-due-to-coronavirus.html

In fact, pilgrimages may have stopped as of now.
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