Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion

[libertybele]

For clarification, this is not an influenza virus. It is a coronavirus. It is not yet known if the COVID-19 virus will return year after year as a seasonal influenza would or if it will burn out and not (yet) reappear much as SARS and MERS did - not becoming endemic i.e. returning year to year.

Think of viruses as car brands. You have Fords and Chevys and Toyotas, etc. Many different and distinct car brands and many different and distinct types of viruses.

So think of influenza as being a “Ford brand” and coronaviruses as being a “Chevy brand”.

But within each car brand, there are many different models.

With Ford, you have many different models ranging from the Fiesta to the Mustang. There are also different models and options within those models (think of those as mutations).

Within the influenza virus there are many different strains – A, B, C and D and within those various subtypes, just for example in type A alone that cause global pandemics:

H1N1 caused "Spanish flu" in 1918 and "Swine flu" in 2009.
H2N2 caused "Asian Flu".
H3N2 caused "Hong Kong Flu"

The coronavirus and influenza are both viruses just as a Ford and a Chevy are both car brands, but the family of coronaviruses belong to a different family of viruses than influenza.

Some coronaviruses are endemic and are responsible for a percentage of seasonal “common colds”, miserable to get but not particularly dangerous.  SARS and MERS, also coronaviruses, were of course like COVID-19, much more serious but haven’t reemerged.

I understand the analogy you are making and I stand corrected.  However, the coronavirus spreads much easier than SARS and is much like the flu in nature because of how rapidly it spreads. SARS killed over 750 people and infected over 8,000 people.  Coronavirus has infected nearly 10 times as many people so far and the death total is over 2,000.  Big difference.

As for re-emerging viruses; MERS for example is still a concern and cases reported in the areas hospitals where I live. There are several facilities that some doctors will no longer do surgery in because of those incidents.  No the incidents are not widely reported, nor are there reports of an outbreak, but the virus hasn't gone away.

Beside SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV which have only emerged recently, the other four human-pathogenic coronaviruses, namely, HCoV-229E, HCoV-OC43, HCoV-NL63 and HCoV-HKU1, have been continuously circulating in human for at least decades or centuries.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4687117/

https://khn.org/morning-breakout/coronavirus-is-killing-more-people-more-quickly-than-sars-with-97-deaths-reported-in-a-single-day/

[TomSea]

South Korea city deserted after coronavirus 'super-spreads' in church

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Daegu Mayor Kwon Young-jin told residents to stay indoors after 90 people who worshipped at the Church of Jesus the Temple of the Tabernacle of the Testimony showed symptoms of infection and dozens of new cases were confirmed.

The church had been attended by a 61-year-old woman who tested positive, known as “Patient 31”. Korea’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention described the outbreak there as a “super-spreading event”.

“We are in an unprecedented crisis,” Kwon told reporters, adding that all members of the church would be tested. “We’ve asked them to stay at home isolated from their families.”

More at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health/south-korea-city-deserted-after-coronavirus-super-spreads-in-church-idUSKBN20E0AM

[TomSea]

Same city as above, Daegu, SK's 4th largest:

U.S. Military Bases in Daegu Reduce Operations As Cases of South Koreans Infected with Coronavirus Soars to Over 100
GIKorea | February 20, 2020 | USFK | No Comments

It sounds like Daegu is beginning to turn into Wuhan:

South Korea reported its first coronavirus-linked death Thursday, while Daegu urged residents to stay home as the southeastern city struggled to contain an outbreak of the pneumonia-like disease.

The Army garrison in Daegu also restricted access and announced that schools and non-essential business would be closed for a second day.

In an exception to policy, U.S. service members were authorized to wear face masks in uniform regardless of air quality conditions, according to the garrison’s Facebook page.

See more at: https://www.rokdrop.net/2020/02/u-s-military-bases-in-daegu-reduce-operations-as-cases-of-south-koreans-infected-with-coronavirus-soars-to-over-100/

[libertybele]

Wow.  That is frightening. They are questioning length of incubation period -- 24 days instead of 14.

[TomSea]

World News
February 20, 2020 / 2:52 AM / Updated an hour ago
Clashes, jeers and burning tires greet coronavirus evacuees in Ukraine
Matthias Williams

NOVI SANZHARY, Ukraine (Reuters) - Residents of a central Ukrainian town clashed with police, burned tires and hurled projectiles at a convoy of buses carrying evacuees from China’s Hubei province, quarantined in case of the coronavirus, to a sanatorium on Thursday.


A demonstrator throws a stone towards a police van during a protest against the arrival of a plane carrying evacuees from coronavirus-hit China's Hubei province in the village of Novi Sanzhary in Poltava region, Ukraine February 20, 2020. Local residents blocked the road leading to a sanatorium where the evacuees are due to be held in quarantine for at least two weeks. REUTERS/Valentyn Ogirenko

Some protesters and police were lying wounded on the ground after the clashes. At least two buses had their windows smashed while the evacuees sat behind curtains inside.

Locals in Novi Sanzhary feared they could become infected despite the authorities repeatedly insisting there was no danger and a special appeal from President Volodymyr Zelenskiy for calm.

Ukraine has no confirmed cases of the virus.

Read more at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-ukraine/clashes-jeers-and-burning-tires-greet-coronavirus-evacuees-in-ukraine-idUSKBN20E10L

That is totally improper, Ukraine has had some problems like chasing gypsies/Roma off from where they are are living. Some other countries act this way too, they aren't alone but unacceptable. My gosh.  There is no excuse. An Asian was beat up in Sheffield England over the virus panic but I don't think he/she had the infection. Just people acting crazy.  USA has not had violence that I know of but some negative reactions. There might have been someone beat up on the West coast. I forget.

Ukraine’s Healthcare Minister to spend 14 days with quarantined Ukrainians
Source : 112 Ukraine
As it was stated by Zoryana Skaletska, she was overwhelmed by all the panic and rejection
23:20, 20 February 2020


Healthcare Minister Zoriana Skaletska
Press-service of the Cabinet of Ministers

Ukraine’s Minister of Health Zoryana Skaletska has decided to join the quarantined people at the Novi Sanzhary Medical Center and will spend the next 14 days with them. She wrote about it on her Facebook page after local citizens attacked the bus, which was carrying evacuated Ukrainians, with stones.

"I made the decision to join the people in the observation. I will spend the next 14 days with them in the same room and in the same conditions. I hope that my presence will reassure both those in Novi Sanzhary and the rest of the country ... I want to emphasize one more time: these people are our compatriots, they are no strangers to us. We live in one country and we must take care of their health and safety," Skaletska said.

According to her, the evacuation was carefully prepared and the safe conditions of stay in observation were provided, taking all WHO standards and practices of other countries into account.

More at: https://112.international/society/ukraines-healthcare-minister-to-spend-14-days-with-quarantined-ukrainians-48771.html

[Smokin Joe]

That is totally improper, Ukraine has had some problems like chasing gypsies/Roma off from where they are are living. Some other countries act this way too, they aren't alone but unacceptable. My gosh.  There is no excuse. An Asian was beat up in Sheffield England over the virus panic but I don't think he/she had the infection. Just people acting crazy.  USA has not had violence that I know of but some negative reactions. There might have been someone beat up on the West coast. I forget.

That's a nice gesture on the part of the Minister of Health, and it may (possibly) cost her her life, but with incubation periods believed to be as long as 24 days, she may be released from quarantine and go forth to spread the virus among the government.
I applaud her courage, but I think the act is still a dumb one.
Not a good idea, imho.

[Elderberry]

Lawrence Person's BattleSwarm Blog 2/20/2020

Basically every dystopia you’ve seen or read about in the last 20 years is happening in China right now. Here’s a roundup of Coronavirus news:

•  The official infection figures everyone believes are understated:

Total confirmed cases: 75,751

Total deaths: 2,130

Total recovered: 16,847

There are some MSM outlets saying that, based on those official numbers, the worst of the outbreak has passed. I wouldn’t wager much money on that proposition…

•  American evacuees from the Coronavirus-stricken Diamond Princess cruise ship have been flown to the Nebraska Medical Center campus in Omaha. (Yesterday the official Coronavirus tracker showed a jump in U.S. cases to 29 based on that, but today the tracker number is back down to 15. Curious…)

•  Over 700 people in Washington State being “under supervision” for possible coronavirus infection? “The figure includes close contacts of laboratory confirmed cases, as well as people who have returned from China in the past 14 days that are included in federal quarantine guidance.”

•  Walter Russell Mead on why China is the real sick man of Asia:

Epidemics also lead us to think about geopolitical and economic hypotheticals. We have seen financial markets shudder and commodity prices fall in the face of what hopefully will be a short-lived disturbance in China’s economic growth. What would happen if—perhaps in response to an epidemic, but more likely following a massive financial collapse—China’s economy were to suffer a long period of even slower growth? What would be the impact of such developments on China’s political stability, on its attitude toward the rest of the world, and to the global balance of power?

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China expelled three Wall Street Journal reporters over that editorial:

Beijing’s propaganda campaign to paper over the depredations of its heavy handed quarantines and other outbreak-suppression efforts was launched into hyperspeed earlier this month as the international community – including the WHO – started questioning everything – from whether Beijing deliberately hid information about the outbreak in the early days (looks like it did), to whether the virus was originally developed in a bioweapons lab in Wuhan before being unleashed on the public (…), to whether Beijing was actually capable of resolving this issue without some kind of intervention.

These doubts likely played some role in Beijing’s decision to refuse to allow foreign experts into the country – though it gladly accepted shipments of facemasks and medicine – as the most important thing is that the Communist Party project an image of strength upon the global stage.

More: https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=43541

[Neverdul]

I understand the analogy you are making and I stand corrected.  However, the coronavirus spreads much easier than SARS and is much like the flu in nature because of how rapidly it spreads. SARS killed over 750 people and infected over 8,000 people.  Coronavirus has infected nearly 10 times as many people so far and the death total is over 2,000.  Big difference.

As for re-emerging viruses; MERS for example is still a concern and cases reported in the areas hospitals where I live. There are several facilities that some doctors will no longer do surgery in because of those incidents.  No the incidents are not widely reported, nor are there reports of an outbreak, but the virus hasn't gone away.

Beside SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV which have only emerged recently, the other four human-pathogenic coronaviruses, namely, HCoV-229E, HCoV-OC43, HCoV-NL63 and HCoV-HKU1, have been continuously circulating in human for at least decades or centuries.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4687117/

https://khn.org/morning-breakout/coronavirus-is-killing-more-people-more-quickly-than-sars-with-97-deaths-reported-in-a-single-day/

I think you are confusing MERS with MRSA which is an antibacterial resistant bacterial infection.

https://www.cdc.gov/mrsa/healthcare/index.html

There have only been two reported cases of MERS in the US.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/mers/us.html

[Gefn]

Most Americans Are Not Taking This Coronavirus Outbreak Seriously, And That Is Potentially Very Dangerous


We still don’t know if this coronavirus outbreak will become a horrific worldwide pandemic or not, but what we have seen so far is definitely very alarming.  People have literally been dropping dead in the streets, the Chinese government has locked down major city after major city, and the virus kept spreading very rapidly on a cruise ship off the coast of Japan even though a strict quarantine was instituted.  Scientists that have studied the virus are telling us that it “could be 20 times more lethal than the flu”, and it binds to human cell receptors much more easily than the SARS virus did.  Unfortunately, because the epicenter of this crisis is on the other side of the globe, most Americans are simply not paying much attention to it.  In fact, most of the people that my wife and I have been talking to and hearing from don’t think that the coronavirus is much of a threat to the United States at all.

And if the coronavirus does start to become a problem in this country, a new survey has found that most Americans are quite confident that the government can handle it…

More than three in four Americans say they are very confident or somewhat confident in the US federal government’s ability to handle a coronavirus outbreak, a Gallup poll has found, a higher level of confidence than in previous health scares.

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/most-americans-are-not-taking-this-coronavirus-outbreak-seriously-and-that-is-potentially-very-dangerous

[Elderberry]

I joined a "Kickstarter" project a few years back now and I received a weekly update email Today and I thought I'd share it:

Quick update on factory status

This is a quick update, because an update is due and while some of you have seen it already, we want to share the latest we have gotten from the factory-

Our manager at the factory contacted us late last week to share that they have not yet returned to work due to the coronavirus. They have been told they will need approval from the local government before they can return. We have been told that some local governments are requiring workers to go into 14 day quarantine depending on where they are coming from, before they can return to work. We do not yet know how that will effect the staff at this factory.

The factory manager is going to keep us updated on their estimated return date and is going to start reviewing our prototype feedback that we have from over the break - so that they can fix the issues we found ASAP.

We've talked to some people who work with other factories in China and many have not even had contact with their factory managers, so we are encouraged and thankful that they are keeping us informed, I know form a business standpoint they are eager to produce these printers as well.

[Gefn]

Thanks for the updates @Elderberry

[libertybele]

I think you are confusing MERS with MRSA which is an antibacterial resistant bacterial infection.

https://www.cdc.gov/mrsa/healthcare/index.html

There have only been two reported cases of MERS in the US.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/mers/us.html

Probably.  I stand corrected by you once again! 

[libertybele]

CORONAVIRUS NEWS: China's attempt to COVER-UP virus will affect America too

https://www.glennbeck.com/theblaze-tv/coronavirus-news-chinas-attempt-to-cover-up-virus-will-affect-america-too

[libertybele]

More than 75,700 confirmed cases: Live updates on COVID-19

Here's a look at what you need to know about the new virus and the disease it causes.

What's the death rate from COVID-19?

..........The largest study on COVID-19 cases to date provides new details on the severity of the illness, including its death rate and who is most susceptible.

The study researchers, from the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, analyzed information from 44,672 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in China that were reported between Dec. 31, 2019 and Feb. 11, 2020. Among these cases, there were 1,023 deaths, resulting in an overall death rate of 2.3%.

That's much higher than the death rate of flu, which is around 0.1% in the U.S., according to The New York Times.

However, the new study found that the death rate from COVID-19 varied by location. In Hubei Province, where the outbreak began, the death rate was 2.9%, compared with just 0.4% in other provinces — a 7-fold difference.............

.........Will the coronavirus die down by the summer?

We don't know yet. Most respiratory viruses, such as flu viruses, are seasonal. We generally know when the peak of flu season will be and can expect the number of flu cases to drop down as we head toward spring and summer, said Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases in a news conference on Feb. 12. But for the new virus, "I think it's premature to assume that," she said. If this new virus behaves similarly to flu viruses, we may see less infections as spring and summer roll around. "But this is a new disease, we haven't even been through six weeks of it much less a year," Messonnier said. Though hoping the numbers will go down as warm weather approaches, "the aggressive actions we're taking are because we don't think we can count on that."............

Number of Coronavirus Cases

Mainland China: 74,579
Thailand: 35
Japan: 84
Singapore: 84
Hong Kong: 67
South Korea: 104
Taiwan: 24
Australia: 15
Malaysia: 22
Germany: 16
Vietnam: 16
Macau: 10
U.S.: 29
France: 12
United Arab Emirates: 9
Canada: 8
Italy: 3
Russia: 2
UK: 9
Philippines: 3
Cambodia: 1
India: 3
Belgium: 1
Finland: 1
Nepal: 1
Spain: 2
Sri Lanka: 1
Sweden: 1
Egypt: 1
Iran: 2

..........................  https://www.livescience.com/new-china-coronavirus-faq.html

[bigheadfred]

South Korea is showing a 'big' jump. They doubled in the last 24 hours. From 104 to over 200.

[libertybele]

So in other words they're 'manipulating' the numbers and in doing so, my bet is that they still aren't reporting anywhere near those infected and those who have died.

Confusion mounts over China’s counting methods as coronavirus numbers swing wildly

Last week, Hubei province announced it would count "clinically diagnosed" cases in its numbers. These were patients who demonstrated all the symptoms of Covid-19 but either had not been able to get a test or were believed to have falsely tested negative.

Hubei doctors could use CT scans to confirm such coronavirus infections without a test.
That decision saw confirmed cases in Hubei province soar, with more than 15,152 new infections announced in mainland China on February 12 alone.

Officials said the move to include clinically diagnosed patients was intended to help clear a backlog of suspected cases in Hubei.
But on Thursday the government guidelines changed and "clinically confirmed" were excluded from the tally of confirmed cases.
Now patients must have a positive lab test result to be counted in the tally. Other cases will be listed as "suspected.".......

[Cyber Liberty]

The incubation time is lengthy and I don't think they know for sure how long it's contagious, which is what concerns me about it.  People leave quarantine, then get sick.  Other diseases manage to kill off the host very quickly, so the bug dies out in the population before it becomes wide spread.

It's not helpful the Peoples Republic is not being forthcoming on the mortality rate.

[mystery-ak]

The incubation time is lengthy and I don't think they know for sure how long it's contagious, which is what concerns me about it.  People leave quarantine, then get sick.  Other diseases manage to kill off the host very quickly, so the bug dies out in the population before it becomes wide spread.

It's not helpful the Peoples Republic is not being forthcoming on the mortality rate.

So they are letting them out of quarantine too early thereby infecting everyone they come into contact with 

[Cyber Liberty]

So they are letting them out of quarantine too early thereby infecting everyone they come into contact with 

They were at first, but I think they're trying to get a handle on it by increasing the time in quarantine.  That's why I don't think they really know for how long to keep them isolated.

[libertybele]

They were at first, but I think they're trying to get a handle on it by increasing the time in quarantine.  That's why I don't think they really know for how long to keep them isolated.

It has been reported in the "largest study of coronavirus patients" that the incubation period could be as long as 24 days.

https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-symptoms-24-days-after-infection-2020-2

[TomSea]

After 12-24 hours or when you post a new update, the old thread will be merged with the comprehensive thread so We don't want to have too many coronavirus threads. But the updates are noteworthy and will stand temporarily.

[TomSea]

South Korea is showing a 'big' jump. They doubled in the last 24 hours. From 104 to over 200.

Yes, they seem close to becoming a quarantined nation too But they are using some sort of different terminology.

[LadyLiberty]

South Korean coronavirus spike linked to doomsday sect with messianic leader

Feb. 21, 2020 at 11:10 a.m. CST

SEOUL — A South Korean church with a messianic leader was identified Friday as a hotbed of coronavirus cases as the outbreak grows in parts of the country.

The leader of the sect, Lee Man-hee, said all gatherings and other outreach have been suspended after health authorities linked Lee’s followers to more than two-thirds of all confirmed coronavirus cases in South Korea.

Lee denounced the coronavirus as a “devil’s deed” to curb the growth of his church, which extols Lee as a prophet-like figure who can decode hidden meanings from the Bible before a coming apocalypse. Critics describe Lee’s network as a cult.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/south-korean-coronavirus-spike-linked-to-doomsday-sect-with-messianic-leader/2020/02/21/cd3e1220-54c2-11ea-9e47-59804be1dcfb_story.html

[PeteS in CA]

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3051534/coronavirus-chinas-manufacturing-supply-chain-pummelled-all

Coronavirus: China’s manufacturing supply chain pummelled from all sides in efforts to restart

Choked off from suppliers, workers, and logistics networks, China’s manufacturing base is facing a multitude of unprecedented challenges, as coronavirus containment efforts hamper factories’ efforts to reopen.

Many of those that have been granted permission to resume operations face critical shortages of staff, with huge swathes of China still under lockdown and some local workers afraid to leave their homes. Others cannot access the materials needed to make their products, and even if they could, the shutdown of shops and marketplaces around China means demand has been sapped.

Those who manage to assail the challenges, meanwhile, have found that trucking, shipping and freight services are thin on the ground, as China’s famed logistical machine also struggles to find workers and navigate provincial border checkpoints that have popped up across the country

[Fishrrman]

Seems to me if the world was serious about getting control over this, all international borders would be closed:
- no flights
- no trains
- no boats
- no vehicles
- no "walk-ins"
- NOTHING.

Wait until it gets into Mexico.
Then watch floods across the border for "free American health care"...

[berdie]

Most Americans Are Not Taking This Coronavirus Outbreak Seriously, And That Is Potentially Very Dangerous


We still don’t know if this coronavirus outbreak will become a horrific worldwide pandemic or not, but what we have seen so far is definitely very alarming.  People have literally been dropping dead in the streets, the Chinese government has locked down major city after major city, and the virus kept spreading very rapidly on a cruise ship off the coast of Japan even though a strict quarantine was instituted.  Scientists that have studied the virus are telling us that it “could be 20 times more lethal than the flu”, and it binds to human cell receptors much more easily than the SARS virus did.  Unfortunately, because the epicenter of this crisis is on the other side of the globe, most Americans are simply not paying much attention to it.  In fact, most of the people that my wife and I have been talking to and hearing from don’t think that the coronavirus is much of a threat to the United States at all.

And if the coronavirus does start to become a problem in this country, a new survey has found that most Americans are quite confident that the government can handle it…

More than three in four Americans say they are very confident or somewhat confident in the US federal government’s ability to handle a coronavirus outbreak, a Gallup poll has found, a higher level of confidence than in previous health scares.

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/most-americans-are-not-taking-this-coronavirus-outbreak-seriously-and-that-is-potentially-very-dangerous

No...it may not being taking seriously. But what the heck are we gonna do other that wash our hands?

[Smokin Joe]

So they are letting them out of quarantine too early thereby infecting everyone they come into contact with 

When the reports came in that the incubation period might be 24 days, not just 14, I strongly suspected that would happen. Needless to say,healthy people with a clean bill will go about all the business they did not while in quarantine, with vigor, until they fall sick, making for a large group exposed to the virus.

This thing is far from contained.

[Cyber Liberty]

When the reports came in that the incubation period might be 24 days, not just 14, I strongly suspected that would happen. Needless to say,healthy people with a clean bill will go about all the business they did not while in quarantine, with vigor, until they fall sick, making for a large group exposed to the virus.

This thing is far from contained.

A powerful argument for telecommuting.  I did that quite a bit, but when we got new management we got a fellow who hated it because he wanted to stroll into the cube farm and see it filled, when most could have easily done the work from home.  This was a major headache whenever we had a tight deadline for a "tape-out" that had to be in the can by a date certain.  The Engineers would be stuck in their cubes until 9 or 10 at night finishing the last-minute additions and corrections, when they could have been at home kicking it out as they had been doing for years.

One of 1,001 reasons I was more than happy to accept the offer for a voluntary layoff 1 1/2 years ago.  If I were still there I'd be writing the CEO to suggest going back to telecommuting.  Get a feather in their cap by telling the press how civic minded they are.

[bigheadfred]

There is this thing. How fast this thing is mutating. Plus that it is being reported to have a longer  DNA 'genome' than your standard coronavius. And there are several coronas that are here, but don't cause an outbreak.

Who has ever gotten sick by the same virus twice within days or a couple of weeks after having recovered?

[TomSea]

First coronavirus death in Europe sends Italian towns into lockdown
•Feb 22, 2020

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Ten Italian towns remain in lockdown and residents warned to keep out of an emergency room on Saturday as a second death from coronavirus sparked fears throughout the region.

Chinese medical expert warns recovered coronavirus patients may still be contagious

    Head of frontline team fighting Covid-19 says some patients have been found to still carry the virus after getting better

    Scientists believe there is a low risk of this happening, but there is still much to learn about the disease

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3051864/chinese-medical-expert-warns-recovered-coronavirus-patients-may

[TomSea]

Coronavirus: Iran reports two suspected fatal cases at Qom hospital
    19 February 2020

Iran's health ministry says two people have died after preliminary tests came back as positive for the new coronavirus disease, Covid-19.

Spokesman Kianush Jahanpour tweeted that they died due to their "old age and deficient immune systems" while being treated in hospital in Qom.

Deputy Health Minister Qasem Janbabaei told the Young Journalists' Club (YJC) that they were both Iranian nationals.

More: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51563039

Some Iran-watchers postulate, it could indeed be worse than the news we get.

Coronavirus: South Korea confirms huge rise in cases

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Officials said on Saturday that 229 new cases had been confirmed since Friday, raising the total to 433.

Vice Health Minister Kim Gang-lip said the outbreak had entered "a serious new phase".

Many of the new cases are linked to a hospital and to a religious group near the south-eastern city of Daegu, authorities have said.

Read more at: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51596665

[Elderberry]

Food Supply to Collapse after Outbreak? Billionaires Predict “Global Problems”

Ice Age Farmer 2/15/2020

http://www.iceagefarmer.com/2020/02/15/food-supply-to-collapse-after-outbreak-billionaires-predict-global-problems/

A 2015 Soros-funded think tank predicted a 2020 breakdown of the global food supply following an outbreak — just as Bill Gates’ 2019 “event 201” simulated a global pandemic. Why are multiple billionaires been speaking to outbreaks and food insecurity in 2020? Because Agenda 21/2030 isn’t just a name: it’s a war on all of us, and it has gone HOT.

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[libertybele]

Food Supply to Collapse after Outbreak? Billionaires Predict “Global Problems”

Ice Age Farmer 2/15/2020

http://www.iceagefarmer.com/2020/02/15/food-supply-to-collapse-after-outbreak-billionaires-predict-global-problems/


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Who knows really what's going on.  Soros could easily have his fingers in this mess.  Control food and you control the population!  I know most think that we won't see an epidemic here, but I personally am really glad that we have the stockpile of food that we do and I would encourage others to do so.  Other then putting a little dent in the wallet, what's the downside?? 

This virus continues to spread to other countries.  Incubation is now estimated to be longer --up to 24 days.  29 cases now in the U.S.  The positive is that there are reports that some are recovering.

Virus spreads in South Korean city as thousands are screened

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/virus-spreads-in-south-korean-city-as-thousands-are-screened-2020-02-22?mod=mw_latestnews

[Elderberry]

Covid-19: Day 54: Feb 22nd: 10 Italian towns in lockdown: South Korea Sect Investigation: South Korea, number of cases quadrupled to more than 400: Window of opportunity to contain the virus is closing, WHO: Death rate increasing!

The Big Wobble 2/22/2020

http://www.thebigwobble.org/2020/02/covid-19-day-54-feb-22nd-10-italian.html

 

Credit the Guardian
Covid-19: Day 54: Feb 22nd: Headlines

Latest worldwide statistics: 32 countries affected: Window of opportunity to contain the virus is closing, WHO: Virus explodes in South Korea, number of cases quadrupled to more than 400.

Total confirmed cases 77,812: Suspected cases 5,365: Cases of people in critical condition, 11,477. Total deaths 2,360 and death rate at 3.03% and climbing steadily. https://wuhanviruslive.com/

South Korea becomes the newest front in shifting virus outbreak. AP

10 Italian towns in lockdown over coronavirus fears. Yahoo

More than 500 new coronavirus cases are detected in PRISONS across China, fuelling fears about the virus's ability to spread - as Iran confirms two more deaths and Israel and Lebanon announce their first cases. Mail Online

South Korea Sect Investigation: Patients and staff at a hospital near Daegu account for the bulk of 229 new cases as links to controversial ‘sect’ are investigated. Guardian

Invisible killer! Case study of 20-year-old who infected relatives despite not showing signs of illness – and testing negative – stokes global pandemic fears. Guardian

[DB]

So why is it this particular Coronavirus has such unusual characteristics?

Perhaps because the Chinese were experimenting splicing different things together to see what they could do?

China needs to be held accountable.

Another thing. Tyrants around the world now have a great excuse for people dying suddenly. Undesirables can simply die and be written off as Covid-19 victims with the body quickly incinerated. All evidence gone.

[mystery-ak]

Alarm in the holy land after visit by pilgrims with coronavirus
https://news.trust.org/item/20200222160134-tyyo5

[DB]

https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-lab/

[mountaineer]

No...it may not being taking seriously. But what the heck are we gonna do other that wash our hands?

Good question. If there's no vaccine and no effective medicine to fight it, all we can do is stay home and have no contact with other people, I guess. And wash our hands.

[Cyber Liberty]

https://nypost.com/2020/02/22/dont-buy-chinas-story-the-coronavirus-may-have-leaked-from-a-lab/

Title from the article:

Don’t buy China’s story: The coronavirus may have leaked from a lab

(What a difference a colon makes...)

[libertybele]

Good question. If there's no vaccine and no effective medicine to fight it, all we can do is stay home and have no contact with other people, I guess. And wash our hands.

Just like with any virus the first precautions are to wash your hands, don't touch your face when you or out and stay at home as much as possible.  It has been confirmed that this virus spreads easily and rapidly much like the flu virus.

What isn't known is if this virus will disappear during the warmer months then reappear the following season, much like the flu, or if it will disappear and not show up again (at least for awhile).

The other question is, will this virus mutate before a vaccine is found?

Again, I'd rather error on the safe side; stockpile on food and water.

[TomSea]

Tom Cotton
@SenTomCotton
Well, look at that. The Chinese Communist Party’s propaganda rag finally admits what I’ve said for a month: coronavirus didn’t start in Wuhan food market. So where did it originate? Time for answers from CCP.

https://twitter.com/SenTomCotton/status/1231311580853305344

And the above tweet refers to this article:

New Chinese study indicates novel coronavirus did not originate in Huanan seafood market
Source:Global Times Published: 2020/2/22 20:14:18 Last Updated: 2020/2/23

A new study by Chinese researchers indicates the novel coronavirus may have begun human-to-human transmission in late November from a place other than the Huanan seafood market in Wuhan.

The study published on ChinaXiv, a Chinese open repository for scientific researchers, reveals the new coronavirus was introduced to the seafood market from another location, and then spread rapidly from market to market. The findings were the result of analyses of genome-wide data, sources of infection and the route of spread of 93 samples of the novel coronavirus collected from 12 countries across four continents.

The study believes that patient zero transmitted the virus to workers or sellers at the Huanan seafood market. The crowded market facilitated the further transmission of the virus to buyers, which caused a wider spread in early December 2019.

More at: https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1180429.shtml

Flashback, this isn't important in the bigger picture BUT... Huffpo wrote this weeks ago, so this is the kind of stuff Senator Cotton is referring to:

POLITICS 01/31/2020 07:00 pm ET
Don’t Listen To Sen. Tom Cotton About Coronavirus
The GOP senator has spread misinformation and panic in a weeks-long meltdown over the disease.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tom-cotton-coronavirus-china_n_5e34a3b7c5b6f26233294378

Another alarming factor is death rate and to a different topic, South Korea has had, I believe 2 deaths now... this is why some people are saying, keep an eye on Iran:

Iranian officials have reported a sixth death from the new coronavirus.

The governor of Markazi province told the official IRNA news agency that tests of a patient who recently died in the central city of Arak were positive for the virus.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/02/china-coronavirus-outbreak-latest-updates-200221211643953.html

But from the same link above:

Italian Serie B football match postponed

A football match in Italy's second division was called off around one hour before the scheduled kick-off because of fears over the spread of the virus.

So, one can see, it's getting spread out. The truth is, keep an eye on everything and everywhere really.

[bigheadfred]

Multiple sources.

The average incubation period for seasonal human coronavirus infections is 2 days (range of 12  hours-5 days). Novel coronaviruses have longer incubation periods. The SARS coronavirus demonstrated a  prolonged incubation period (median 4- 5 days;range of 2-10 days) and the incubation period for the MERS coronavirus  is  also prolonged at  approximately 5 days (range of  2- 14 days)

The potential for a longer incubation period was linked to a patient in China’s Hubei Province, where the virus was first detected in December. A 70-year-old man was infected with coronavirus, but did not show symptoms until 27 days later, the local government reported.

 On Thursday, authorities reported that a man in Hubei had tested positive for coronavirus after what appeared to be a 38-day incubation period with no symptoms.

The analysis of 22 studies reveals that human coronaviruses such as Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) coronavirus, Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) coronavirus or endemic human coronaviruses (HCoV) can persist on inanimate surfaces like metal, glass or plastic for up to 9 days

[truth_seeker]

Proof we are dealing with some very serious stuff, when they cancel football in Italy.

[Sighlass]

Now they want to dump a whole boat load of folks exposed to the virus just a few miles from me and my family... Why the heck take them in right in the middle of area that is probable the most conservative in the nation. Sounds like something the pentagon that has "swamp fever" would dream of... kill them Bama folks, probable the best thing to do for the welfare of the country... Man I am steaming...

Coronavirus evacuees in Alabama: Anniston FEMA facility will house cruise ship passengers

https://www.al.com/news/2020/02/evacuated-passengers-under-coronavirus-quarantine-being-moved-to-alabama-site.html

[Sighlass]

Now it is looking like the powers in the federal government want to dump the coronavirus in my backyard...  I start looking at a little more shady sources of information...

Did Obama have a hand in this...??? Seems that China fellow that the Harvard professor helped went to China where the outbreak centered...

http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2020/02/it-is-obama-weapons-labratory-in-china.html

Are people actually getting over the virus (or whatever it is)?

What is known as the Coronavirus is not a virus. It is instead a "virus" platform of BAT SARS, overlaid with bacteria as the covering for the viral spikes which invade cells.
What is inside Corona Wuhan is what makes it tick. It has in a lab spliced in, tuberculosis and HIV, meaning Corona Wuhan is viral, fungal and bacteria as an organism.

The Chinese have been as other have, testing HIV drugs, which are auto immune drugs, meaning Wuhan is an auto immune type plague. In the human body, lungs for example are ACE2 proteins which HIV infects. What Remdesivir does is suppresses the ACE2 proteins, so the HIV does not spread. HIV is still in the body, but it is not killing the body as fast, as it can not spread the infection to the ACE2 platforms.

This person is not cured. In fact, in China it was thought that people were dropping dead from these HIV drugs when the people were 're infected' or another word for it would be, once the people went off the HIV medications the Corona Wuhan sprang back to life, and began ripping though the body organs which had been infected, and the people dropped dead in their tracks.

http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2020/02/dc-and-coronavirus.html

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They want to dump this 60 miles from my family and me... and I am ticked...

[TomSea]

What is known as the Coronavirus is not a virus. It is instead a "virus" platform of BAT SARS, overlaid with bacteria as the covering for the viral spikes which invade cells.
What is inside Corona Wuhan is what makes it tick. It has in a lab spliced in, tuberculosis and HIV, meaning Corona Wuhan is viral, fungal and bacteria as an organism.

The Chinese have been as other have, testing HIV drugs, which are auto immune drugs, meaning Wuhan is an auto immune type plague. In the human body, lungs for example are ACE2 proteins which HIV infects. What Remdesivir does is suppresses the ACE2 proteins, so the HIV does not spread. HIV is still in the body, but it is not killing the body as fast, as it can not spread the infection to the ACE2 platforms.

This person is not cured. In fact, in China it was thought that people were dropping dead from these HIV drugs when the people were 're infected' or another word for it would be, once the people went off the HIV medications the Corona Wuhan sprang back to life, and began ripping though the body organs which had been infected, and the people dropped dead in their tracks.

http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2020/02/dc-and-coronavirus.html

That's all fascinating, since LameCherry wrote it,  I take it with a bit of salt but definitely, not doubting your word.

[TomSea]

@Sighlass

Senate Building or on twitter, nothing would stop you from at least, sending your thoughts and experiences to Senator Tom Cotton.

https://twitter.com/sentomcotton

[Neverdul]

Now it is looking like the powers in the federal government want to dump the coronavirus in my backyard...  I start looking at a little more shady sources of information...

Did Obama have a hand in this...??? Seems that China fellow that the Harvard professor helped went to China where the outbreak centered...

http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2020/02/it-is-obama-weapons-labratory-in-china.html

Are people actually getting over the virus (or whatever it is)?

http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2020/02/dc-and-coronavirus.html

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They want to dump this 60 miles from my family and me... and I am ticked...

Shady?

 

[Free Vulcan]

Good question. If there's no vaccine and no effective medicine to fight it, all we can do is stay home and have no contact with other people, I guess. And wash our hands.

If you are in the country like we are, you can quarantine if it gets serious. Plastic duct taped over the windows and doors, keep everything clean, and take lots of antiviral herb extracts. Plus diffuse antiviral herb oils into the air.

I'm already worried that the ability to mutate and reinfect may make this thing one long, slow, nasty grind.

[Free Vulcan]

Again, I pray in some ways that this is a modified virus.

If it can recombine with any virus out there naturally and take on it's properties, that is a worst case nightmare scenario.