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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #451 on: February 11, 2020, 07:53:20 am »


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51453848

I think we are now through two incubation cycles since breaking.  If the Chicoms are forthcoming with their data.

Mortality rate is at 2-3%, significantly less than that of SARS which based on demographic approached generally 10%
If this trend holds, virus resists significantly mutating, and data is correct......    We are looking at disease not much different that normal flu.  Some good news.
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« Reply #452 on: February 11, 2020, 09:30:34 am »
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« Reply #453 on: February 11, 2020, 09:48:40 am »
Carnival cruise ship refused entry by fifth port due to coronavirus fears
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/482480-carnival-cruise-ship-refused-entry-by-fifth-port-due-to-coronavirus-fears

I imagine pier space is an issue...a bunch of vessels are taking up space in ports, sitting in quarantine already.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #454 on: February 11, 2020, 10:46:51 am »
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Expert sees coronavirus over by April in China, WHO still alarmed
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GUANGZHOU, China/GENEVA (Reuters) - The coronavirus outbreak in China may be over by April, its senior medical adviser said on Tuesday, but deaths passed 1,000 and the World Health Organization feared a “very grave” global threat.

As the epidemic squeezed the world’s second-biggest economy, Chinese firms struggled to get back to work after the extended Lunar New Year holiday, hundreds of them saying they would need loans running into billions of dollars to stay afloat.

Company layoffs were beginning despite assurances by President Xi Jinping that widespread sackings would be avoided, as supply chains for global firms from car manufacturers to smartphone makers ruptured.

Read more at: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health/expert-sees-coronavirus-over-by-april-in-china-who-still-alarmed-idUSKBN20504Y

The virus will be called COVID-19:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/11/world-health-organization-names-the-new-coronavirus-covid-19.html

I believe Coronavirus is actually a generalized term, even SARS might have been a coronavirus. That's up to the experts, not me.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #455 on: February 11, 2020, 10:50:14 am »
The virus will be called COVID-19:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/11/world-health-organization-names-the-new-coronavirus-covid-19.html

I believe Coronavirus is actually a generalized term, even SARS might have been a coronavirus. That's up to the experts, not me.

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https://www.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus

Coronaviruses (CoV) are a large family of viruses that cause illness ranging from the common cold to more severe diseases such as Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS-CoV) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS-CoV). A novel coronavirus (nCoV) is a new strain that has not been previously identified in humans.  ....
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #456 on: February 11, 2020, 01:58:56 pm »
I believe Coronavirus is actually a generalized term, even SARS might have been a coronavirus. That's up to the experts, not me.

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https://www.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus

Coronaviruses (CoV) are a large family of viruses that cause illness ranging from the common cold to more severe diseases such as Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS-CoV) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS-CoV). A novel coronavirus (nCoV) is a new strain that has not been previously identified in humans.  ....

Yep. Many people think that all “common colds” are the result of a rhinovirus and that is the most common cause, but many other viruses cause what we think of as common colds including coronaviruses, adenoviruses and non-polio enteroviruses.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #457 on: February 11, 2020, 09:02:22 pm »
China Stops Sales of Cough Medicine to Flush Out Coronavirus Patients

By Strange Sounds -Feb 11, 2020

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China is turning to potentially risky measures to track down more patients of a coronavirus outbreak that has killed at least 1,000 people.

They are now stopping the sales of cough medicine to flush out coronavirus patients as the number of infections from the new virus soared to cross 45,000 as of Monday (Feb. 10).

At least three Chinese cities announced in the past week that they would stop the sale of medicines for fever and cough, two of the major symptoms for the new virus, so that people will go to hospitals for treatment instead of self-medicating and staying home.

Other symptoms of the virus include muscle ache and shortness of breath, which can then progress to more severe respiratory distress.

Hangzhou, an eastern city of almost 10 million that is home to Alibaba and many other Chinese tech giants, announced on Friday (Feb. 7, link in Chinese) that on the advice of its coronavirus management team, all pharmacies in the city would stop selling fever and cough medications effective the next day.

The measure will apply as long as the city remains at the highest level of public health alert level. “Citizens with these symptoms should go to the hospital as soon as possible,” the notice said.

Following Hangzhou, Ningbo and Sanya (link in Chinese), two southern Chinese cities with a combined population of nearly 8.6 million, also announced over the weekend they would halt the sale of the two medicines, to better track and treat the coronavirus.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #458 on: February 12, 2020, 12:41:09 am »
If you were on a cruise ship, boy I'll bet their business is in the cellar right now, even if you were cruising the Carribean. See article, even the cabins might present a problem:

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Japan confirms 39 new coronavirus cases, 174 total on cruise ship

Two people wave from the quarantined Diamond Princess cruise ship in Yokohama, near Tokyo, on Tuesday. Japan's Health Minister Katsunobu Kato said the government was considering testing everyone remaining on board and crew on the Diamond Princess, which would require them to remain aboard until results were available. (Jae C. Hong/The Associated Press)

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Article: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/japan-confirms-39-new-coronavirus-cases-174-total-on-cruise-ship-1.5460576


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« Reply #459 on: February 12, 2020, 02:00:39 pm »
If you were on a cruise ship, boy I'll bet their business is in the cellar right now, even if you were cruising the Carribean. See article, even the cabins might present a problem:
If you are in an interior cabin then you are basically in a prison cell.

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« Reply #460 on: February 13, 2020, 11:41:46 am »
Coronavirus evacuee in Texas diagnosed with virus, marking 15th case in US: CDC

An American evacuee who arrived on a State Department-chartered flight last week from Wuhan, China — the epicenter of the deadly coronavirus outbreak — is now the 15th confirmed case of the virus in the U.S., federal officials said on Thursday.

The patient, who was not identified, is one of the evacuees under federal quarantine at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas.

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« Reply #461 on: February 13, 2020, 12:06:01 pm »
This is an epidemic with a potential to be a pandemic.  All this 'under reporting' is harmful to the rest of the world.  The other tragedy is going to be the affect on the economy; potentially a negative affect on the global economy....just in time for Trump's re-election would be my guess.

North Korea 'clearly lying' about coronavirus cases, expert says


The coronavirus has infected more than 60,000 people across 26 countries after first being discovered in China’s Hubei Province, and yet North Korea, which shares a border with the country where more than 59,000 of those cases and over 1,360 deaths have been reported, claims it does not have a single illness.

Unverified reports about a quarantined person allegedly being executed by the country after visiting a public bath have emerged, as well as a potential first confirmed case, but the government remains steadfast in denying that the virus has reached its borders, which many experts have cast doubt on.

“There is no way that North Korea is not being impacted by the coronavirus — they are clearly lying as they don’t want to show any weakness or that there is any threat to the regime,” Harry Kazianis, director of Korean Studies at the Center for National Interest, told Fox News. “Considering how there are many porous sections of the North Korea-China border — and how the Kim regime depends on illegal trade to survive — it is clear the virus has come to North Korea.”

Last week, health ministry official Song In Bom told state media that there are no cases of the virus — which has been named COVID-19 by the World Health Organization (WHO) — in the country, but that they would be prepared in the event that the outbreak spread........

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« Reply #462 on: February 13, 2020, 12:08:09 pm »
'Black swan' coronavirus to slam economy 10 times harder than hurricane

The accelerating spread of the coronavirus is taking an unexpected toll on the global economy, making it a black swan event, according to Alibaba CEO Daniel Zhang.

The number of new cases surged by more than 15,000 to at least 59,804 Thursday after Chinese authorities began using a new reporting method. Additionally, the death toll climbed by 254 to 1,367.

“The outbreak is having a significant impact on China’s economy and may potentially affect the global economy,” Zhang said on a company earnings call, explaining his use of the term "black swan," popularized in Nassim Taleb's book of the same name about catastrophes so unlikely they are completely unforeseen.

“The temporary hit from the virus outbreak should be about 10 times as large as the disruptions from a major U.S. hurricane,” wrote Zach Pandl, a strategist at Goldman Sachs. He says the virus’ outbreak, which has paralyzed economic activity in China, will reduce annualized global output by 2 percentage points.............

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« Reply #463 on: February 13, 2020, 12:10:41 pm »
A new method of diagnosing COVID-19 cases brings total deaths from the outbreak to 1,362, while the total number of confirmed infections rose to 59,804

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« Reply #464 on: February 13, 2020, 12:35:42 pm »
Watch: World Health Organization holds press conference on the coronavirus outbreak
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/13/watch-world-health-organization-holds-press-conference-on-the-coronavirus-outbreak.html

As of Thursday, more than 60,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported in over two dozen countries, resulting in least 1,300 deaths, almost exclusively in China. The WHO declared the virus a global health emergency last month, a rare designation that helps the international agency mobilize financial and political support to contain the outbreak.

The number of new cases of COVID-19 appeared to be stabilizing until Thursday, when a change in China’s methodology for determining the disease led to a spike in confirmed cases in Hubei province, the epicenter of the outbreak.

Health authorities in Hubei said Thursday that “clinically diagnosed” cases now count toward the “confirmed case” count. The change was made so a broader set of patients can receive the same treatment as someone with a confirmed case, according to a CNBC translation of the official announcement in Chinese....
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« Reply #465 on: February 13, 2020, 01:53:03 pm »
If anyone is interested, CNBC is broadcasting a daily 30 minute update at 6:00 pm central.  Not sure if it is weekdays only or will continue through the weekend. 

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« Reply #466 on: February 13, 2020, 02:10:52 pm »
FWIW, the current date for the lifting of the China travel ban is March 30. Obviously this is subject to alteration as the situation develops.

Also, as the lockdown in Chinese cities as continued past the time when household necessaries such as food would be consumed, some people are being allowed out of their homes to buy such necessaries. They are required to wear anti-viral masks.
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« Reply #467 on: February 13, 2020, 02:13:26 pm »
Also, as the lockdown in Chinese cities as continued past the time when household necessaries such as food would be consumed, some people are being allowed out of their homes to buy such necessaries. They are required to wear anti-viral masks.

Which, because of the central government's plan to destroy American manufacturers, are likely impossible to find in China, as they exported them all.
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« Reply #468 on: February 13, 2020, 02:23:54 pm »
Which, because of the central government's plan to destroy American manufacturers, are likely impossible to find in China, as they exported them all.

A week or two ago I saw that electronics contract manufacturer (e.g. iPhone) Foxconn was possibly going to start manufacturing masks. Some Chinese CMs have dubious quality (they treat production employees poorly and consequently have very high employee turn-over), but I think Foxconn has good quality.
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« Reply #469 on: February 13, 2020, 02:40:58 pm »
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Canadian Research Officials Return From Geneva With Plan to Tackle Coronavirus

BY THE CANADIAN PRESS February 13, 2020 Updated: February 13, 2020

OTTAWA—Canada will aim $6.5 million at research on stopping the spread of the novel coronavirus, after co-ordinating with researchers around the world on tackling the outbreak.

Representatives of the Canadian Institutes of Health Research (CIHR) are returning from two days of talks with the international research community at a World Health Organization forum in Geneva, Switzerland.

There, more than 300 scientists and researchers mapped out a plan to answer the questions that linger about the virus and agreed on a set of research priorities.

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« Reply #471 on: February 13, 2020, 06:36:46 pm »
BURNING THE EVIDENCE China accused of major coronavirus cover-up as chilling satellite pics ‘show extent of corpse burning in Wuhan’

The Sun by Patrick Knox 2/10/2020

https://www.the-sun.com/news/383407/china-accused-of-major-coronavirus-cover-up-as-chilling-satellite-pics-show-extent-of-corpse-burning-in-wuhan/

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HIGH sulphur dioxide levels in quarantined Wuhan and Chongqing could signal mass cremations, it’s been claimed.

Satellite maps in recent days have detected alarming levels of SO2 around Wuhan which is the epicentre of the outbreak.

The city of Chongqing, which is also under quarantine, also has high sulphur dioxide levels.

Scientists believe this is produced when bodies are cremated but also when medical waste is incinerated.

But some social media users who have probed the maps are convinced it is a sure sign of large numbers of dead bodies being burned on the outskirts of the city.

Chinese authorities have ordered that coronavirus victims should be cremated in low-key funerals and bans large public gatherings.

Earlier this month it was decreed that bodies should be “cremated close by and immediately”.

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« Reply #472 on: February 13, 2020, 06:40:17 pm »
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The cliché is that the Chinese ideogram for “crisis” combines “danger” and “opportunity.” (This is not entirely true.) It’s widely believed that the “real” infection and death rates in China are five to ten times higher than the official rates. (And the official rates jumped from around 45,000 to over 60,000 yesterday.) Much has been written about how the pandemic is a grave threat to China’s Communist leadership. Slow growth was already threatening the nation’s house-of-cards banking system, and the pandemic.

But Xi Jinping may also be thinking of it as an opportunity. Remember that Xi is part of political party that killed an estimated 65 million of its own people, and was happy to put a couple of million Uighers in concentration camps in order to reeducate them about their racial inferiority to the Chinese. They had to hold off tiananmening a few thousand Hong Kong activists only because too much of the world was watching and too much money is at stake.

But now? Now they’ve got tens of millions of people under quarantine, they’re reportedly burning thousands of bodies that died from the virus without reporting them, so many that they’re showing up on satellite photos mapping particulates. With the quarantine and even heavier than usual censorship, the communist government has ideal circumstances for score-settling and purging “subversive” elements.

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« Reply #473 on: February 14, 2020, 04:05:06 pm »
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California lab says it discovered coronavirus vaccine in 3 hours
Scientists are racing to get the vaccine on the market in record time
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An American biotech company says it created a coronavirus vaccine three hours after getting access to the virus' genetic sequence in mid-January, and now scientists are racing to get the vaccine on the market in record time.

Inovio Pharmaceuticals is based in Pennsylvania, but scientists in its laboratory in San Diego made the discovery.

"We were able to rapidly construct our vaccine in a matter of about three hours once we had the DNA sequence from the virus available because of the power of our DNA medicine platform," Dr. J. Joseph Kim, Inovio's president and CEO, told FOX Business. "Our goal is to start phase one human testing in the U.S. early this summer."

 -    https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/california-lab-coronavirus-vaccine-3-hours

So, we'll see how this goes. Take with a grain of salt but Fox Business saw it fit to publish.

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« Reply #474 on: February 14, 2020, 04:38:15 pm »
So, we'll see how this goes. Take with a grain of salt but Fox Business saw it fit to publish.
With the accounts of the virus mutating, a vaccine might be as effective as one against the common cold: sometimes good, sometimes ineffective. We'll see.
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« Reply #476 on: February 15, 2020, 09:30:31 am »
US to evacuate Americans from cruise ship in Japan

The U.S. will send a chartered flight to Japan this weekend to evacuate Americans quarantined on a cruise ship due to coronavirus cases on board, the U.S. Embassy in Tokyo announced Saturday.

More than 400 U.S. citizens have been among those quarantined on the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan since Feb. 5. The ship, which has more than 3,000 passengers, had the densest concentration of confirmed coronavirus cases outside of China at 218.

Though the ship was in quarantine for nearly two weeks to prevent the spread of the disease to mainland Japan, passengers on board feared it could put more of them at risk.

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« Reply #477 on: February 15, 2020, 09:55:16 am »
Cats are wearing coronavirus masks in China

As the deadly coronavirus outbreak continues to ravage the country, pet owners in China are putting on makeshift masks on their furry friends.

Photos on the Chinese social media app Weibo show pets – namely cats – wearing the makeshift masks, many of them made from traditional surgical masks. Owners are cutting holes in the material to accommodate the animal’s eyes while the rest of their face remains covered.

The photos of the new trend surfaced after China's National Health Commission said the coronavirus could affect cats and dogs, The Sun reported. But is it true pets can catch the novel coronavirus, known as COVID-19?

It’s not likely — according to the UC Davis School of Veterinary Medicine.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/cats-wearing-coronavirus-masks-china
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« Reply #478 on: February 15, 2020, 09:56:41 am »
Cats are wearing coronavirus masks in China

As the deadly coronavirus outbreak continues to ravage the country, pet owners in China are putting on makeshift masks on their furry friends.

Photos on the Chinese social media app Weibo show pets – namely cats – wearing the makeshift masks, many of them made from traditional surgical masks. Owners are cutting holes in the material to accommodate the animal’s eyes while the rest of their face remains covered.

The photos of the new trend surfaced after China's National Health Commission said the coronavirus could affect cats and dogs, The Sun reported. But is it true pets can catch the novel coronavirus, known as COVID-19?

It’s not likely — according to the UC Davis School of Veterinary Medicine.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/cats-wearing-coronavirus-masks-china

Photos in article of cats wearing masks.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #479 on: February 15, 2020, 10:16:20 am »
For unvaccinated, we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death — if you’re unvaccinated — for themselves, their families, and the hospitals they’ll soon overwhelm. Sloe Joe Biteme 12/16
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #480 on: February 15, 2020, 10:21:57 am »
State Department will evacuate Americans from cruise ship, first death confirmed in Europe

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/15/coronavirus-live-updates-china-reports-143-more-deaths-2641-new-cases.html

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•   China’s National Health Commission reported an additional 143 deaths nationwide, as well as 2,641 new confirmed cases as of Feb. 14. That brings the total number of confirmed cases in the country to 66,492, and number of total deaths at 1,523, the authority said.
•   A Chinese tourist has died of the virus in France, confirming the first coronavirus fatality in Europe.
•   The U.S. State Department will evacuate its citizens and their families who are onboard the Diamond Princess cruise ship off Japan that has been quarantined for almost two weeks.
•   White House trade advisor Peter Navarro told Fox Business Network on Friday night Eastern time that testing and production of a coronavirus drug could start as soon as late February.

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« Reply #481 on: February 15, 2020, 11:06:22 am »
'This is the virus I fear the most': British scientist leading coronavirus fight says it's 'not absurd' to forecast 400,000 UK fatalities as world-wide death toll surges past 1,500

Daily Mail by  Danyal Hussain and Ryan Fahey 2/14/2020

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8005931/British-scientist-leading-coronavirus-fight-says-forecasts-400-000-UK-deaths.html
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•   Scientist Professor Neil Ferguson is leading the fight against the virus in the UK
•   Ferguson said it was unhelpful to throw numbers around but 400k isn't 'absurd' 
•   He also added that he would rather overreact than be accused of under reacting
•   The global death toll from the virus has now passed 1,500, with 66,000 infected

The British scientist leading the fight against coronavirus admitted last night that predictions of 400,000 UK deaths are 'not absurd'. 

Professor Neil Ferguson, of the School of Public Health at Imperial College London, revealed that 'this is the one I'm scared of' when asked about the killer coronavirus, which is causing increasing alarm all over the country.

However, he insisted he was not predicting 400,000 deaths, but was warning that the figure 'is possible'. He said he would rather and adding that he'd 'prefer to be accused of overreacting than under reacting'.

Research indicates that 60 per cent of Britons could be affected by the virus, formally known as COVID-19.

Professor Ferguson added: 'Our best estimates at the moment is that maybe one per cent of people who get infected might die.'

It comes as it was revealed that the government is working on the assumption that half of the population will be infected with the virus, which could reach every part of Britain within months.

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« Reply #482 on: February 15, 2020, 11:09:19 am »
Coronavirus expert says he knows when the virus 'will burn itself out,' according to leaked analysis

By Mark Puleo, AccuWeather 2/12/2020

https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/coronavirus-expert-says-the-virus-will-burn-itself-out-in-about-6-months/679415

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With the overall death toll climbing each day, but the daily death toll showing signs of subsiding, fear and uncertainty have spread farther and farther around the globe as the novel coronavirus continues to captivate the world’s attention. However, John Nicholls, a pathology professor at the University of Hong Kong, says he knows when the virus will become inactive.

"Three things the virus does not like: 1. Sunlight, 2. Temperature, and 3. Humidity," Nicholls said in response to a question about when he thinks confirmed cases will peak.

"Sunlight will cut the virus' ability to grow in half so the half-life will be 2.5 minutes and in the dark it's about 13 to 20 [minutes]," Nicholls said. "Sunlight is really good at killing viruses."

"The virus can remain intact at 4 degrees (39 degrees Fahrenheit) or 10 degrees (50 F) for a longer period of time," Nicholls said, referring to Celsius measurements, according to the transcript. "But at 30 degrees (86 degrees F) then you get inactivation. And high humidity -- the virus doesn't like it either," he added, the transcript of the call showed.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #483 on: February 15, 2020, 03:41:53 pm »
Coronavirus expert says he knows when the virus 'will burn itself out,' according to leaked analysis

By Mark Puleo, AccuWeather 2/12/2020

https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/coronavirus-expert-says-the-virus-will-burn-itself-out-in-about-6-months/679415

So global warming is a good thing...who knew?

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« Reply #484 on: February 15, 2020, 04:05:14 pm »
So global warming is a good thing...who knew?

It has to happen first.

There was an article posted early around here that the Chinese initially reported the mortality rate at 17%. They quickly walked that back to around the world average. For the average flu season. Around 2%.

I have the feeling it is more than 2%.

Climate forecast around here is for a cold spring.



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« Reply #485 on: February 15, 2020, 04:25:01 pm »
Egypt announces first Coronavirus infection

CAIRO – 14 February 2020: Egypt’s Health Ministry announced, Friday first Coronavirus infection for a ‘Chinese’ national in Egypt.

Spokesperson for the Health Ministry Khaled Megahed said that the laboratory tests which were conducted for the suspected case at Cairo International Airport, resulted in a positive virus, however no symptoms appears on the infected person.

Cairo

Draconian measures. This could be an interesting test to see how well this can be contained in a city outside of China that is densely populated and filthy.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #486 on: February 15, 2020, 05:27:26 pm »
The CDC has nearly 400 people in 37 states “under investigation” for having the virus, which can cause severe acute respiratory illness, septic shock and multi-organ failure.

Confirmed cases of the coronavirus have been found in Arizona, California, Illinois, Massachusetts, Washington and Wisconsin, according to the agency.

Supposedly reports are that the coronavirus doesn't survive well in the heat and humidity?  Arizona isn't exactly a cold climate -- dry, yes, cold, no.

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« Reply #487 on: February 15, 2020, 05:45:23 pm »
It's not quite the summer yet. Or even spring.

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« Reply #488 on: February 15, 2020, 06:45:35 pm »
Exclusive: Chinese doctors say Wuhan coronavirus reinfection even deadlier
Instead of creating immunity the virus can reportedly reinfect an individual and hasten fatal heart attack
By Jules Quartly, Taiwan News, Contributing Writer
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TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — It’s possible to get infected by the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) a second time, according to doctors on the frontline in China’s city of Wuhan, leading to death from heart failure in some cases.

The claim is made by doctors working in the Hubei Province capital that is at the center of the epidemic, which has to date infected 64,201 people and killed 1,487. One of the doctors reached out to a relative living in the United Kingdom, who then informed Taiwan News.

Both the relative and doctors asked to remain anonymous, out of consideration they might face retribution from the Chinese authorities. ...
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« Reply #489 on: February 15, 2020, 08:08:04 pm »
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Yay! The gift that keeps on giving.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #490 on: February 16, 2020, 07:13:17 am »
Is anyone else scared poopless over this thing?

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« Reply #491 on: February 16, 2020, 07:24:57 am »
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So, what else would one expect.

2%, let's even say 4%, would demonstrate overwhelming survival over the illness.

Hysteria? Yes, there always is with these things, containment is important.

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« Reply #492 on: February 16, 2020, 07:27:40 am »
Is anyone else scared poopless over this thing?

Hundreds of millions of Chinese.

Hope that helps.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #493 on: February 16, 2020, 08:09:10 am »
Is anyone else scared poopless over this thing?
I wouldn't say "scared poopless", but I am watching what develops.
I am concerned. I have close relatives far away from where I live, in more populous areas whose risk of exposure is significantly greater than mine might be, but at the same time, I work in an industry which has people rotate in and out, who often come from far away to work here. SO that lack of large numbers of people here is only one vector removed from not existing.

While I am reasonably sure that the numbers coming out of China do not reflect the severity of the outbreak, the question is one of how great is that disparity. Estimates range from simple under counting for clinical reasons to the more apocalyptic scenarios, but the bottom line is that the casualty figures we see are the minimum, and likely not accurate.
From other nations where confirmed cases have been noted, we have yet to have a statistically significant sample to estimate the impact. Public Health agencies worldwide are working to contain the virus, and that at least means that the threat (such as it is) is recognized, that active measures are being taken to limit its spread, that people are hunting for some sort of countermeasures beyond quarantine and care. That quarantines exist at least indicates this disease is being taken seriously at the levels of government where something might be able to be done about it. 

Personally, I'd much rather find that extreme measures were taken to contain a virus that was no more deadly than, say, the seasonal influenza, than have something much more deadly that wasn't recognized as a threat.
 
For now, we wait, follow good hygiene (washing hands frequently, especially before eating, and which remains a good first line of defense against infection from virii left on surfaces which may still be viable.) If you can pull it off, wear gloves (It's winter) when you are out, that might help, too.
We live in a day and age when much business and a lot of human interactions are not conducted face to face, but electronically, and that may well help retard the spread of disease..
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« Reply #494 on: February 16, 2020, 08:23:07 am »
@Gefn  @Smokin Joe

The report above of the risk of reinfection raises my concern level.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #495 on: February 16, 2020, 08:40:54 am »
@Gefn  @Smokin Joe

The report above of the risk of reinfection raises my concern level.
Yes. Usually we develop antibodies and some resistance. If that isn't happening, it may indicate the virus is mutating and the new form is what 'reinfects' patients. As I recall, the Spanish Flu (1918) had three separate waves over a year, and each was a little different. This may be similar.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #496 on: February 16, 2020, 09:12:41 am »
Yes. Usually we develop antibodies and some resistance. If that isn't happening, it may indicate the virus is mutating and the new form is what 'reinfects' patients. As I recall, the Spanish Flu (1918) had three separate waves over a year, and each was a little different. This may be similar.

Reposting this link from page 8. From John Hopkins

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

If you do the math on the reported death toll compared to the reported cases recovered mortality is running at (16.93)  17%.

Which is what was reported here (posted by @rangerrebew):

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,391093.0.html
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #497 on: February 16, 2020, 09:13:31 am »
The reports that this virus was bio engineered I believe and raises my concerns.  Only those that engineered this virus knows its potential along with some in the Chinese government.  They aren't going to reveal that information, nor are they going to report the true numbers.

Not trying to make a conspiracy theory here but this virus is taking its toll right around the roll out of the tariffs that have been imposed on them.  Coincidental, but does raise some suspicion.

What is also concerning is, in spite of all the precautions taken, the number of healthcare workers who have contracted the virus. In pictures it appears that they are wearing hazmat suits...yet the virus still is reaching them.

Over 1,700 frontline medics infected with coronavirus in China, presenting new crisis for the government

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/13/asia/coronavirus-health-care-workers-infected-intl-hnk/index.html

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« Reply #498 on: February 16, 2020, 09:26:28 am »
The reports that this virus was bio engineered I believe and raises my concerns.  Only those that engineered this virus knows its potential along with some in the Chinese government.  They aren't going to reveal that information, nor are they going to report the true numbers.

Not trying to make a conspiracy theory here but this virus is taking its toll right around the roll out of the tariffs that have been imposed on them.  Coincidental, but does raise some suspicion.

What is also concerning is, in spite of all the precautions taken, the number of healthcare workers who have contracted the virus. In pictures it appears that they are wearing hazmat suits...yet the virus still is reaching them.

Over 1,700 frontline medics infected with coronavirus in China, presenting new crisis for the government

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/13/asia/coronavirus-health-care-workers-infected-intl-hnk/index.html

It is far, FAR easier for me to believe that this is a "bioweapon" designed, by the Chinese,  to target Asians (Chinese) and that it was intentionally leaked by a disgruntled worker before they had a vaccine than anything coming through the CCP's lying teeth.
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« Reply #499 on: February 16, 2020, 09:52:17 am »
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10 gross habits people have that make it more likely a virus will spread
As the Wuhan coronavirus spreads far beyond China's borders to countries around the world, here are common tendencies to avoid
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Published: 8:00pm, 28 Jan, 2020

1. Not washing your hands. Scientists will tell you this is the easiest thing people can do to stop the spread of disease.

2. Not covering your nose and mouth when you cough or sneeze – or covering and then not washing your hands.

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There is no cure for the new coronavirus which originated in Wuhan, China - but the same is true of the common cold. However, there are definitely things that lots of people do which make it more likely you'll pick up similar diseases. Stop these bad habits, and know that you’re doing your part to stop spreading infections.

1. Not washing your hands. Scientists will tell you this is the easiest thing people can do to stop the spread of disease.

2. Not covering your nose and mouth when you cough or sneeze – or covering and then not washing your hands.

3. Picking your nose or popping pimples in public. An awful amount of germs live in and on human bodies, and are easily spread. Touching bodily secretions and then dabbing fingers over common surfaces helps germs to spread.

Read more at: https://www.scmp.com/better-life/well-being/article/3047540/10-gross-habits-make-it-more-likely-youll-spread-virus