Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion

[roamer_1]

How about the VIRUS Smallpox?? And all those quarantined because they, or family members had it, and all those lives SAVED because of it??

Small pox is back. It is only a matter of time till that and all the other old world viruses outbreak again.
Our war on them was won with hygiene over decades...

[Hoodat]

@Hoodat

Update from 3 days ago.

February 12 the stock market closed at an all-time record high of 29,551.42
Yesterday it closed at 20,188.52.

Did you purchase all your stock on Feb 12?  Did you sell it all yesterday?  Didn't think so.  Stock is only worth anything on two occasions - the moment you buy and the moment you sell.  At all other times, it has no monetary value.  But hey, if you want to panic, then by all means sell low and buy high.

I purchase my stock as a long-term investment for when I retire (which won't be for another 15-20 years or so because of the insolvency of social security).  Key word:  Long term.  If you have cash on hand, then now is the time to buy.  Stocks are a bargain right now.  Jump in while the going is good.  Unless you would rather sit on the sideline and bitch about how much the market has fallen in five weeks while ignoring how much it has risen in 40 years, all with zero intention of either buying or selling.

That's a 31.7% drop in just over a month, and less than 500 points more than it was at 19,732 when Trump was inaugurated.  The DOW today is up 2.3% since Trump took office.  How much praise does 2.3% over 3 years deserve?

It doesn't.  Just pointing out the bias of your selective outrage.

[Cyber Liberty]

I agree.  I think, as a group, we're getting better at it.

[musiclady]

A coronavirus patient refused to quarantine, so deputies are surrounding his house to force him to


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Ok, this guy has the virus and no one wants him spreading it around.  But is the next step to force all of us still  healthy people to stay home  by whatever means necessary, including force?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/us/kentucky-refused-quarantine-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

That’s a pretty big step, but definitely a concern.

[roamer_1]

But to just call this the flu and no big deal and that it just needs to run it course naturally is something else.

I did NOT say that.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

It is an opinion piece, not an article.  But I do think that the economic impact from draconian measures we collectively as a nation are taking in the current panic will be far more damaging and far-reaching than the virus itself.  The influx of new money by the Fed has by itself reduced my standard of living.

@Hoodat Thank you for the response.  You maybe right, in fact I hope you are.

[musiclady]

I agree.  I think, as a group, we're getting better at it.

Perhaps one of the benefits of confinement.  We all try harder to get along.

(Well, most of us!  )

[Hoodat]

Like right now, as I write, I see 3 deer getting dangerously close to my wife's rose garden,  I'd normally spook 'em, but I think I will give 'em a pass this time.

I'm guessing your wife no longer has any hostas.

[musiclady]

Small pox is back. It is only a matter of time till that and all the other old world viruses outbreak again.
Our war on them was won with hygiene over decades...

Didn’t say it was gone.  It was contained by quarantine, not by saying it was no big deal.

[Hoodat]

I'm one of those old people who is still going out, but these days, I'm rather limited to supermarkets and pharmacies as destinations because almost everything else is closed.

Oh, so it was you that I ran into at the store.

[musiclady]

I'm guessing your wife no longer has any hostas.

Nobody with deer in the neighborhood has any hosta left. 

[roamer_1]

Didn’t say it was gone.  It was contained by quarantine, not by saying it was no big deal.

No it wasn't, not after outbreak. Single cases yes, but once it hits the wild, its going to run.

[catfish1957]

I'm guessing your wife no longer has any hostas.

Naw...  Scared them.  Losing a bunch of buds off those roses, could be mood changer.  No thanks.   

[Cyber Liberty]

Naw...  Scared them.  Losing a bunch of buds off those roses, could be mood changer.  No thanks.   

You clearly understand the Wrath of the Wife....

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Did you purchase all your stock on Feb 12?  Did you sell it all yesterday?  Didn't think so.  Stock is only worth anything on two occasions - the moment you buy and the moment you sell.  At all other times, it has no monetary value.  But hey, if you want to panic, then by all means sell low and buy high.

I purchase my stock as a long-term investment for when I retire (which won't be for another 15-20 years or so because of the insolvency of social security).  Key word:  Long term.  If you have cash on hand, then now is the time to buy.  Stocks are a bargain right now.  Jump in while the going is good.  Unless you would rather sit on the sideline and bitch about how much the market has fallen in five weeks while ignoring how much it has risen in 40 years, all with zero intention of either buying or selling.

I think that is gobbledygook @Hoodat .  My stocks had a value much higher a month ago.  I can see the new value on the ticker today, but try that on the voters. 

It doesn't.  Just pointing out the bias of your selective outrage.

It's true I didn't used to complain about the Stock Market until this last month, and I wasn't outraged.  I'm not ashamed to admit I was selectively joyful that my stocks were doing so much better than three years ago.  Hence my outrage at this time. 

[Neverdul]

When Fauci speaks I'm reminded of this character from the original Independence Day .... 

Perhaps it's time to return Fauci to the back room ... without WIFI. 

 

[DB]

I think that is gobbledygook @Hoodat .  My stocks had a value much higher a month ago.  I can see the new value on the ticker today, but try that on the voters. 

It's true I didn't used to complain about the Stock Market until this last month, and I wasn't outraged.  I'm not ashamed to admit I was selectively joyful that my stocks were doing so much better than three years ago.  Hence my outrage at this time.

Well the likely truth is when this current storm passes the stock market is going to have the biggest and fastest gains in history. There's no indication that any of this is long lasting (economically) with some exceptions. Small business is going to be the hardest hit, especially businesses that provide direct services to the public. That's where help needs to be focused.

[musiclady]

No it wasn't, not after outbreak. Single cases yes, but once it hits the wild, its going to run.

Not going anywhere with this.

Last comment here about this to you: it is inappropriate to say this is ‘just a virus’ and because of that we should do nothing to slow its growth.

It is even worse to say, everybody’s gonna die, so live life as usual, or I’m going to ignore precautions about social contact because nobody’s going to tell ME what to do.

That kind of callousness is neither Christian nor Conservative, and I will never agree with it.

You may respond to this as you will, but I’ve made my point repeatedly and don’t care to continue it.

Love you, man. You’re one of my allies here, and I don’t want to risk losing that.

Stay healthy.

[roamer_1]

Not going anywhere with this.

Last comment here about this to you: it is inappropriate to say this is ‘just a virus’ and because of that we should do nothing to slow its growth.

I did not say that.

It is even worse to say, everybody’s gonna die, so live life as usual, or I’m going to ignore precautions about social contact because nobody’s going to tell ME what to do.

I did not say that either.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Well the likely truth is when this current storm passes the stock market is going to have the biggest and fastest gains in history.

  I don't think we can know this although the President could certainly have a hunch about it.

There's no indication that any of this is long lasting (economically) with some exceptions.

Except for the panicked outcry of businesses currently shut down.

Small business is going to be the hardest hit, especially businesses that provide direct services to the public. That's where help needs to be focused.

Agreed.  Thanx for your reply @DB .

[Hoodat]

I think that is gobbledygook @Hoodat .  My stocks had a value much higher a month ago.

That value was wasted if you failed to sell or leverage for something else of value.

I can see the new value on the ticker today

That value is meaningless unless you intend to buy, sell, or leverage.  A $100 bill can't purchase anything while it remains in your pocket.

It's true I didn't used to complain about the Stock Market until this last month, and I wasn't outraged.  I'm not ashamed to admit I was selectively joyful that my stocks were doing so much better than three years ago.  Hence my outrage at this time.

Please consider why you purchased stock to begin with, what your overall goal was, and where the finish line is.  Anyone working in the market knew that the DOW at 29k was huge bubble territory.  At some time, it was going to go down and stabilize.  But everyone was enjoying riding the wave and afraid to get off, lest they be left behind.  When it hit 24k, I knew it was too high.  But I didn't sell.  When it hit 26k, I knew it was overvalued, but didn't sell.  When it hit 29k, I knew it was overvalued, but didn't sell.  And now that it is at 20k, I know it is closer to actual value, but I still ain't selling.  Because the point of buying it to begin with was for my retirement many years down the road.

As for what the average American watching in fear as the ticker changes, I would be willing to bet that 99% of them couldn't name 5 DJI stocks.

[jmyrlefuller]

Please tell me how well Governor Cuomo is handling this crisis.
New York virus to peak in 45 days (!), taxing hospitals, Cuomo says

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-virus-to-peak-in-45-days-taxing-hospitals-cuomo-says/ar-BB11jtPi?ocid=spartandhp

[Applewood]

Some grocery stores create 'elderly hours' to protect older shoppers during coronavirus

Some grocery stores are creating “elderly hours” to allow older customers to get their shopping done during the coronavirus outbreak.

Grocery chains around the world, including Australia's Woolworth, announced they would institute special early hours for older individuals starting Tuesday.
...
Several grocery stores in the U.S. have encouraged online pickup and delivery services to prevent vulnerable populations from coming in contact with the virus in public. Some have also started closing early to allow employees enough time to restock shelves depleted by anxious shoppers. 

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/487922-some-grocery-stores-create-elderly-hours-to-protect

[Cyber Liberty]

Please consider why you purchased stock to begin with, what your overall goal was, and where the finish line is.  Anyone working in the market knew that the DOW at 29k was huge bubble territory.  At some time, it was going to go down and stabilize.  But everyone was enjoying riding the wave and afraid to get off, lest they be left behind.  When it hit 24k, I knew it was too high.  But I didn't sell.  When it hit 26k, I knew it was overvalued, but didn't sell.  When it hit 29k, I knew it was overvalued, but didn't sell.  And now that it is at 20k, I know it is closer to actual value, but I still ain't selling.  Because the point of buying it to begin with was for my retirement many years down the road.

That's a sound investment strategy.  I moved my dough out of the Markets completely about a year ago, but it had nothing to do with what the market was doing, it was because my investment horizon had shrunken to nothing when I chose to retire young.

[DB]

Some grocery stores create 'elderly hours' to protect older shoppers during coronavirus


https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/487922-some-grocery-stores-create-elderly-hours-to-protect

That sounds like a good idea driven by the free market.

[LadyLiberty]

They are using confirmed cases, which are cases tested and proved, to come up with the mortality rate. But for every confirmed case there are a myriad of cases that never will be tested or confirmed. Because testing is only done when symptoms present and warrant the testing.

When this is all over, I would like to see someone use a test for antibodies to covid-19 and do a scientific sampling of people who did not show symptoms to see get a good estimate on how many were infected and never knew.  They we would have a good estimate of the real death rate.

[roamer_1]

When this is all over, I would like to see someone use a test for antibodies to covid-19 and do a scientific sampling of people who did not show symptoms to see get a good estimate on how many were infected and never knew.  They we would have a good estimate of the real death rate.

I don't think that's feasible, at least on a large scale... For the same reason everyone are not getting tested now. There ain't enough tests, and there ain't enough money....

But I get where you are coming from 

[Cyber Liberty]

That sounds like a good idea driven by the free market.

It sure is, and you pegged the originators of the idea correctly: Private industry.  We "discovered" Walmart's curb-side grocery pickup some months ago, and it's been a wonderful thing.  No walking the aisles, which, for me, usually ends up with too much impulse buying.  We shop to a list much better now.  We put things in the virtual cart in an app at our leisure, and check out when we get enough items to make it worth the trip.  Wally World is a half-hour drive, one way.

[DB]

I don't think that's feasible, at least on a large scale... For the same reason everyone are not getting tested now. There ain't enough tests, and there ain't enough money....

But I get where you are coming from 

For those who regularly get their blood work done they can probably throw that test into the mix to collect data. Assuming it isn't expensive and the data is worth collecting. It will still miss a good chunk of the population that rarely gets their blood work done but still would provide a lot of data.

[LadyLiberty]

I don't think that's feasible, at least on a large scale... For the same reason everyone are not getting tested now. There ain't enough tests, and there ain't enough money....

But I get where you are coming from 

I didn't say test everyone, I said a "scientific sampling."

[roamer_1]

For those who regularly get their blood work done they can probably throw that test into the mix to collect data. Assuming it isn't expensive and the data is worth collecting. It will still miss a good chunk of the population that rarely gets their blood work done but still would provide a lot of data.

Right. The lion's share. And that is why answers remain elusive. And why it takes so long to reach a solution. The underclass, the unacknowledged, the ignorant, and the unrepentant... Those are the vectors that are always undefined.

There are always way more birds in the bush than birds in the hand.

[musiclady]

I did not say that.

I did not say that either.

I know you didn't.  But somebody on the thread did.......

[Hoodat]

When this is all over, I would like to see someone use a test for antibodies to covid-19 and do a scientific sampling of people who did not show symptoms to see get a good estimate on how many were infected and never knew.  They we would have a good estimate of the real death rate.

Correctamundo.

[musiclady]

Please tell me how well Governor Cuomo is handling this crisis.
New York virus to peak in 45 days (!), taxing hospitals, Cuomo says

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-virus-to-peak-in-45-days-taxing-hospitals-cuomo-says/ar-BB11jtPi?ocid=spartandhp

He's bombing.

He failed to take preventative measures in time, and now is overreacting.

The taxing of hospitals may have been prevented, and most likely would have been in a state that isn't so "progressive."

The closer a state is to socialized medicine, the worse it is for the health of its citizens.

[thackney]

When this is all over, I would like to see someone use a test for antibodies to covid-19 and do a scientific sampling of people who did not show symptoms to see get a good estimate on how many were infected and never knew.  They we would have a good estimate of the real death rate.

But unless you do that for other viruses, the comparison will be meaningless.

I feel confident people get the seasonal flu with a less than typical impact and they do not see a doctor either.  Those cases are not counted either.

If you are going to compared to other virus, you need to use the same baseline.  And that is only of the people impacted severely enough to see medical attention.

[Idiot]

@roamer_1
Alright. We'll just have to disagree and leave it at that.

Wait until the virus is at his door, then his tune will change. 

[Idiot]

That value was wasted if you failed to sell or leverage for something else of value.


That value is meaningless unless you intend to buy, sell, or leverage.  A $100 bill can't purchase anything while it remains in your pocket.


Please consider why you purchased stock to begin with, what your overall goal was, and where the finish line is.  Anyone working in the market knew that the DOW at 29k was huge bubble territory.  At some time, it was going to go down and stabilize.  But everyone was enjoying riding the wave and afraid to get off, lest they be left behind.  When it hit 24k, I knew it was too high.  But I didn't sell.  When it hit 26k, I knew it was overvalued, but didn't sell.  When it hit 29k, I knew it was overvalued, but didn't sell.  And now that it is at 20k, I know it is closer to actual value, but I still ain't selling.  Because the point of buying it to begin with was for my retirement many years down the road.

As for what the average American watching in fear as the ticker changes, I would be willing to bet that 99% of them couldn't name 5 DJI stocks.

You are wasting your breath on him.  It's like arguing with my brother who is a lawyer, who never listens to a thing you say.

[austingirl]

At our age....   Can you put a price tag on basically losing 6 months of enjoyable life?

I am a well, responsible self quarantining,  >60 y.o.  (age risk).  But I tell ya.....   If it becomes evident that this was overblown?  I don't think you will see the level of anger that has been seen in many years.

If it becomes evident that this was overblown? There is the rub. If nothing happens those who closed down life will crow from the rooftops that "it worked" when that is not unknowable and could just as easily be because people are responsibly taking precautions on their own. The draconian closures are not necessary, especially in areas without cases. The same geniuses that shut down private businesses because they can't be trusted to wipe down hard surfaces and monitor their health and that of their employees when their livelihood is at stake are the same geniuses that will tell when it's okay to resume. I refuse to stop my life because of some panicking bureaucrat.

Just because the powers-that-be are incapable of critical thinking doesn't mean everyone else is.

[Applewood]

And now for a little cute-- a PSA from Mel Brooks and his son Max:

Mel Brooks and his son explain social distancing for you

...
Mel Brooks, 93, is in the group deemed high risk as the spread of COVID-19 continues due to his age .

His son, Max Brooks, said he is practicing social distancing so that his father -- nor any of his father's famous friends and fellow legendary figures -- get sick. 

See the Twitter video here:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/mel-brooks-and-his-son-explain-social-distancing-for-you/ar-BB11h6jY?ocid=msedgdhp

[DB]

If it becomes evident that this was overblown? There is the rub. If nothing happens those who closed down life will crow from the rooftops that "it worked" when that is not unknowable and could just as easily be because people are responsibly taking precautions on their own. The draconian closures are not necessary, especially in areas without cases. The same geniuses that shut down private businesses because they can't be trusted to wipe down hard surfaces and monitor their health and that of their employees when their livelihood is at stake are the same geniuses that will tell when it's okay to resume. I refuse to stop my life because of some panicking bureaucrat.

Just because the powers-that-be are incapable of critical thinking doesn't mean everyone else is.

Something is going on in Iran that isn't the flu: https://apnews.com/6e92d93551ee6c6ae51d0acaaad9eb32

[mountaineer]

Something is going on in Iran that isn't the flu: https://apnews.com/6e92d93551ee6c6ae51d0acaaad9eb32

...   Late Monday night, angry crowds stormed the courtyards of the Imam Reza shrine in Mashhad and the Fatima Masumeh shrine in Qom. Many people visit the shrine in Qom 24 hours a day, seven days a week, touching and kissing the shrine.That has worried health officials, who for weeks wanted Iran’s Shiite clergy to close them.    ...

 

[roamer_1]

Wait until the virus is at his door, then his tune will change. 

I doubt that very much. And it is nearly at the gate. Missoula has 4 cases and Spokane is an official hot-spot. Everything coming here passes through there.

[Cyber Liberty]

Something is going on in Iran that isn't the flu: https://apnews.com/6e92d93551ee6c6ae51d0acaaad9eb32

I smell a purge of peasants.  Unfortunately for them, the virus hit the leadership of that benighted country first.

[DB]

I doubt that very much. And it is nearly at the gate. Missoula has 4 cases and Spokane is an official hot-spot. Everything coming here passes through there.

Let me just say I hope it stays far from you and everyone else.

[Neverdul]

And now for a little cute-- a PSA from Mel Brooks and his son Max:

Mel Brooks and his son explain social distancing for you

See the Twitter video here:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/mel-brooks-and-his-son-explain-social-distancing-for-you/ar-BB11h6jY?ocid=msedgdhp


 

[truth_seeker]

That sounds like a good idea driven by the free market.

Yesterday in SoCal the regional market chain named Northgate-Gonzalez, announced special hours for seniors.

Other markets changed hours, too, including Walmart--extending some store's hours, reducing some others.

within abour 4 miles, we have Trader Joe's,  Walmart Neighborhood, Sprouts, Von's, Albertsons, Sprouts, Grocery Outlet, Aldi, Costco, Sam's club, Stater Bros., Smart & Final, Target.

Further a little bit incl. Gelson's, Whole Foods

Enough variety in America's free market system?

[Gefn]

Mayor Warns NYC to Prepare for Potential Shelter-in-Place Order Amid ‘Fast-Growing Crisis’


Mayor Bill de Blasio told New Yorkers Tuesday to prepare for a potential citywide shelter-in-place order. While no state or city mandate has been issued at this time, the mayor said "we are deeply concerned about the direction and trajectory" of infection. A decision would likely come within 48 hours.

Earlier in the day, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said any such order would require state approval. The city of San Francisco, though, has implemented a similar order in several counties to curb the spread of COVID-19.

Describing the city's plight as a "fast-growing crisis," de Blasio added more than 100 new cases to the number Cuomo had given for NYC just hours earlier. By mid-afternoon Tuesday, New York City coronavirus cases surpassed 800, according to the mayor. Seven NYC residents have died, along with five others across the state.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/nypd-to-enforce-closures-as-nyc-celebrates-st-patricks-day-with-no-parade-no-bars/2330440/

[Gefn]

And now for a little cute-- a PSA from Mel Brooks and his son Max:

Mel Brooks and his son explain social distancing for you

See the Twitter video here:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/mel-brooks-and-his-son-explain-social-distancing-for-you/ar-BB11h6jY?ocid=msedgdhp

@Applewood if you are a fan of the Food Network, Alton Brown has a very good video on how to wash hands. It’s like watching an episode of “Good Eats”

[roamer_1]

Let me just say I hope it stays far from you and everyone else.

YEP, and back atcha!
 

[Smokin Joe]

Come on. That's just plain wrong.

Polio, Tetanus, Measles, Whooping Cough, ever heard of them? There are many others...

You think quarantines never works? The whole point is to slow down the spread so that medical facilities and supplies can keep up with demand instead of doing triage at the front door. Once triage starts all serious medical conditions go through the process. It sucks to be you if you could have survived your heart attack but the resources were overload at the time. Just nature taking its course you say...

Contain? No. We developed vaccines. Not the same thing.
Stop administering the vaccines, and the diseases will make a comeback.