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Graham mulls rule changes to start impeachment trial without articles
By Justine Coleman - 01/05/20 01:05 PM ES

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said on Sunday that he is mulling rule changes in an effort to quickly start the Senate impeachment trial of President Trump without the articles that Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is withholding from the upper chamber

Graham told Fox News’s “Sunday Morning Futures” that he would work with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to change the chamber's rules if the articles are not sent this week.

“What I would do if she continues to refuse to send the articles as required by the Constitution, I would work with Sen. McConnell to change the rules of the Senate to start the trial without her if necessary,” he said.

The South Carolina senator accused Pelosi of a "political stunt" meant to “extort...a trial to her liking.”

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Re: Graham mulls rule changes to start impeachment trial without articles
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2020, 07:59:21 pm »
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/graham-gives-pelosi-ultimatum-proposes-senate-rule-change-to-remove-her-from-impeachment-process

I'm gonna take a lap on this one...called it last month after reading a few "scholarly" editorials on the subject. Pelosi can play games up to a point, then the adults in the Senate will put the kibosh on this shenanigan and start the trial...as they should.


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"What I would do, if she continues to refuse to send the articles as required by the Constitution, I would work with Senator McConnell to change the rules of the Senate so we could start the trial without her, if necessary," Graham proposed.

When asked how long he would wait before taking this step, Graham replied, “, Days not weeks.”


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Re: Graham mulls rule changes to start impeachment trial without articles
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2020, 08:06:58 pm »
Hopefully the Repub's do get this phase of the coup attempt out of the way.  After all we need to see whats next on Pelosi - Shifts  - Nadlirs lineup.

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Re: Graham mulls rule changes to start impeachment trial without articles
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2020, 08:13:23 pm »
Hopefully the Repub's do get this phase of the coup attempt out of the way.  After all we need to see whats next on Pelosi - Shifts  - Nadlirs lineup.

What's next...more of the same. Its a one play playbook.

My prediction...charges of war crimes based on the killing of Suleimani and some future attacks I'd guess we'll be making on Iranian oil facilities if they retaliate for Suleimani's death.
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Re: Graham mulls rule changes to start impeachment trial without articles
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2020, 08:16:39 pm »
What's next...more of the same. Its a one play playbook.

My prediction...charges of war crimes based on the killing of Suleimani and some future attacks I'd guess we'll be making on Iranian oil facilities if they retaliate for Suleimani's death.

Nah...Pelosi will let the UN charge him with war crimes. 

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Re: Graham mulls rule changes to start impeachment trial without articles
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2020, 08:33:51 pm »
What's next...more of the same. Its a one play playbook.

My prediction...charges of war crimes based on the killing of Suleimani and some future attacks I'd guess we'll be making on Iranian oil facilities if they retaliate for Suleimani's death.

Here you are. I made for a reply and ya'll up and disappeared. This is a good response by Graham. I watched the full interview earlier. It is up on Youtube. Good to know "you" were merely assimilated by the Borg and not annihilated.
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Re: Graham mulls rule changes to start impeachment trial without articles
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2020, 08:41:08 pm »
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/graham-gives-pelosi-ultimatum-proposes-senate-rule-change-to-remove-her-from-impeachment-process

I'm gonna take a lap on this one...called it last month after reading a few "scholarly" editorials on the subject. Pelosi can play games up to a point, then the adults in the Senate will put the kibosh on this shenanigan and start the trial...as they should.


Graham:

"What I would do, if she continues to refuse to send the articles as required by the Constitution, I would work with Senator McConnell to change the rules of the Senate so we could start the trial without her, if necessary," Graham proposed.

When asked how long he would wait before taking this step, Graham replied, “, Days not weeks.”


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The Senate doesn't need to wait for Pelosi to send the articles of impeachment.  They've been published ... see here: https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/democrats.judiciary.house.gov/files/documents/articles%20of%20impeachment.pdf

If Pelosi chooses not to participate, then bring the minority house impeachment members to the Senate to present their defense of the articles (charges) as voted on in the House.

The Senate could then vote --- hopefully to dismiss the charges with prejudice.



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Re: Graham mulls rule changes to start impeachment trial without articles
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2020, 09:25:28 pm »
The Senate doesn't need to wait for Pelosi to send the articles of impeachment.  They've been published ... see here: https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/democrats.judiciary.house.gov/files/documents/articles%20of%20impeachment.pdf

If Pelosi chooses not to participate, then bring the minority house impeachment members to the Senate to present their defense of the articles (charges) as voted on in the House.

The Senate could then vote --- hopefully to dismiss the charges with prejudice.

That would be interesting.  Republicans on both sides.  I hope the House Minority Managers tee up their case with vigor, to allow the defense to swing for the green.
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Re: Graham mulls rule changes to start impeachment trial without articles
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2020, 01:18:06 pm »
Hopefully the Repub's do get this phase of the coup attempt out of the way.  After all we need to see whats next on Pelosi - Shifts  - Nadlirs lineup.

Once the House ties his hands via the War Powers Act -- they will begin articles of impeachment against him for killing Soleimani.  That is how twisted, warped, corrupt and hateful they are. Hateful against Trump even IF it means destroying this Republic.
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Re: Graham mulls rule changes to start impeachment trial without articles
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2020, 01:58:28 pm »
Once the House ties his hands via the War Powers Act -- they will begin articles of impeachment against him for killing Soleimani.  That is how twisted, warped, corrupt and hateful they are. Hateful against Trump even IF it means destroying this Republic.

There's no way they can impeach him for authorizing a drone strike, especially characterizing it as an actual crime - that would drag their hero 0bama into a mess. So that leaves them with another purely frivolous charge of pissing off Congress by not notifying them.
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Re: Graham mulls rule changes to start impeachment trial without articles
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2020, 02:04:23 pm »
There's no way they can impeach him for authorizing a drone strike, especially characterizing it as an actual crime - that would drag their hero 0bama into a mess. So that leaves them with another purely frivolous charge of pissing off Congress by not notifying them.

Not quite sure I'm following -- what impact on Bammy would this have?  Their 'hero' is untouchable.  Right now Nancy is busily trying to tie Trump's hands from taking further action. 

I understand what you are saying about Trump's authorization, but I don't put it past her or the rest of the idiots in Congress to find a way to bring up articles of impeachment against him on this.
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Re: Graham mulls rule changes to start impeachment trial without articles
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2020, 03:10:31 pm »
Not quite sure I'm following -- what impact on Bammy would this have?  Their 'hero' is untouchable.  Right now Nancy is busily trying to tie Trump's hands from taking further action. 

I understand what you are saying about Trump's authorization, but I don't put it past her or the rest of the idiots in Congress to find a way to bring up articles of impeachment against him on this.

I am quite positive there will be another Impeachment over this.  I don't see how they can't, considering the level of screeching since the dime came down on Salmonella.
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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2020, 03:22:10 pm »
I am quite positive there will be another Impeachment over this.  I don't see how they can't, considering the level of screeching since the dime came down on Salmonella.

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Re: Graham mulls rule changes to start impeachment trial without articles
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2020, 04:10:13 pm »
Not quite sure I'm following -- what impact on Bammy would this have?  Their 'hero' is untouchable.  Right now Nancy is busily trying to tie Trump's hands from taking further action. 

I understand what you are saying about Trump's authorization, but I don't put it past her or the rest of the idiots in Congress to find a way to bring up articles of impeachment against him on this.

If it's an actual crime, 0bama would be subject to indictment and prosecution now that he's out of office.
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