House votes to support illegal immigrant voting in local elections

[Cyber Liberty]

Here is the article the link in post #1 leads to:

File this under, "What happens when articles are posted with vanity titles."

[Smokin Joe]

@DeerSlayer From now on Please title your posts to agree with the linked article's title. It don't have to be exact due to length limitations.

@Smokin Joe You know better than to change a title when you reply.

I didn't change the title. Was the topic merged?

[Wingnut]

I didn't change the title. Was the topic merged?

Somebody got their panties in a bunch and a Mod over reacted.  A simple thread prune would have fixed the problem.   

But then WTF would I know.

[ChemEngrMBA]

It is not nonsense.
Foremost in Conservative thought is the idea that government cannot be trusted.
I am merely pointing out that 'government' per se, includes both sides.
Your partisan zeal is misplaced and dangerous.

"We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim.  Silence encourages the tormenter, never the tormented." - Elie Wiesel

Your pretense that both are equivalent is foolish and deadly.

[libertybele]

Somebody got their panties in a bunch and a Mod over reacted.  A simple thread prune would have fixed the problem.   

But then WTF would I know.

When you're out of Schlitz, you're out of beer. 

[roamer_1]

"We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim.  Silence encourages the tormenter, never the tormented." - Elie Wiesel

Your pretense that both are equivalent is foolish and deadly.

How absurd. When the choice is between two creatures, when either one will intend to rend you tooth and nail, the choice is simply not to choose... But rather to understand that both beasts mean to kill you.

As our founders understood, government, while necessary, is an evil thing, and should be kept chained and hungry - fed just enough, and given barely enough reach to allow its function, and no more.

That is the 'side' I will choose. And that 'side' is not represented by either the marxist socialist/communist left or the 3rd-way socialist/corporate globalist right.

[bigheadfred]

When you're out of Schlitz, you're out of beer. 

When the chips are down, the buffalo is empty.

[Smokin Joe]

How absurd. When the choice is between two creatures, when either one will intend to rend you tooth and nail, the choice is simply not to choose... But rather to understand that both beasts mean to kill you.

As our founders understood, government, while necessary, is an evil thing, and should be kept chained and hungry - fed just enough, and given barely enough reach to allow its function, and no more.

That is the 'side' I will choose. And that 'side' is not represented by either the marxist socialist/communist left or the 3rd-way socialist/corporate globalist right.

There is still a choice. Which predator to kill first? Which is closest? Fastest? is the most imminent threat? CAN you kill it or will you just piss it off trying? Can you sic 'em on each other (and get out of the way, taking on the victor, wounded and less of a threat). Is evasion and escape a better option? (Going for something that hits  harder). Lots of choices, either way.

I'm with you, in that the Government which governs best, governs least. Just because one is less totalitarian then another doesn't mean its better, it might just not have had as much practice.

[roamer_1]

There is still a choice. Which predator to kill first? Which is closest? Fastest? is the most imminent threat? CAN you kill it or will you just piss it off trying? Can you sic 'em on each other (and get out of the way, taking on the victor, wounded and less of a threat). Is evasion and escape a better option? (Going for something that hits  harder). Lots of choices, either way.

@Smokin Joe
Machinations Joe... Hard tellin which monster to feed, and that the one you do feed won't only take the other out, but then turn to take you out too. The only thing I think is right is to starve out the whole damn show. Throttle off the money and choke it all out.

And that will take committed and (big "C') Conservative statesmen by the dozen.
That is why I see this whole identity politics bullcrap as such a waste of time. Schoolyard poo-throwing and name calling does nothing at all toward real change

The TEA Party had it right. That is the way forward as far as I can see.

I'm with you, in that the Government which governs best, governs least. Just because one is less totalitarian then another doesn't mean its better, it might just not have had as much practice.

That's right.

[roamer_1]

When you're out of Schlitz, you're out of beer. 

Truer words, darlin... Truer words....

 

[Smokin Joe]

@Smokin Joe
Machinations Joe... Hard tellin which monster to feed, and that the one you do feed won't only take the other out, but then turn to take you out too. The only thing I think is right is to starve out the whole damn show. Throttle off the money and choke it all out.

And that will take committed and (big "C') Conservative statesmen by the dozen.
That is why I see this whole identity politics bullcrap as such a waste of time. Schoolyard poo-throwing and name calling does nothing at all toward real change

The TEA Party had it right. That is the way forward as far as I can see.

That's right.

We have reached the point where Partisan (allegedly ideologically based) squabbles are like argument over whether you drink Coke or Pepsi. It's still not a grape soda.

No, by all means, don't feed either. The enemy of my enemy is the enemy of my enemy, that doesn't mean I'm not on his hit list, too. Unfortunately, people have forgotten that sometimes the answer is E: None of the Above, and in politics today, more often than not, if the Government wants it, the only right answer is "No."

[roamer_1]

We have reached the point where Partisan (allegedly ideologically based) squabbles are like argument over whether you drink Coke or Pepsi. It's still not a grape soda.

No, by all means, don't feed either. The enemy of my enemy is the enemy of my enemy, that doesn't mean I'm not on his hit list, too. Unfortunately, people have forgotten that sometimes the answer is E: None of the Above, and in politics today, more often than not, if the Government wants it, the only right answer is "No."

That's right. I am a hard core Reaganite. And at the risk of folks thinking I would send any faction or their principles to the back of the bus (I will not, ever), fiscal conservatism and civil-libertarianism must necessarily be a priority. Putting this behemoth government back in its Constitutionally defined box is the singular necessity. With that much the rest will follow.

[ChemEngrMBA]

That's right. I am a hard core Reaganite.

Reagan was a Republican and you continue to badmouth Republicans and equate them with Democrats, who impeached Trump with lies and hatred.  Democrats beat Republicans over their heads with steel bars.  Democrats silence us and censor us, and you equate the two while proudly proclaiming yourself to be a "Reaganite" without even thinking about your self-contradiction.  Ridiculous and self-defeating.
To my Ignore List you go as you clearly are a broken record, as absurd to listen to  as the Leftists who like you have nothing to  say worth listening to.

[Smokin Joe]

Reagan was a Republican and you continue to badmouth Republicans and equate them with Democrats, who impeached Trump with lies and hatred.  Democrats beat Republicans over their heads with steel bars.  Democrats silence us and censor us, and you equate the two while proudly proclaiming yourself to be a "Reaganite" without even thinking about your self-contradiction.  Ridiculous and self-defeating.
To my Ignore List you go as you clearly are a broken record, as absurd to listen to  as the Leftists who like you have nothing to  say worth listening to.

You are equating the GOP of today with Ronald Reagan, who was a standout 30 years ago.

Sorry, but that dog won't hunt.

When Reagan ran, we had a primary in ND for the POTUS election. Not last time.
Some of those who tried to speak at the (state) convention had the power to the mike cut.
Much has changed, and I wouldn't make the mistake of equating today's GOP with what we had in Reagan's day any more than today's openly Communist Democrats with those in his day either.

I will note that BOTH parties have morphed to the Left, and that both have done things which support the Globalist Agenda (or failed to undo them).

Trump has been a break from the McCain/Romney sort of Democrat Lite we've seen the Party morphing toward in recent years, but the brand does not signify "Conservative" to me any more, just generally to the Right of the Democrats a bit, and they've, as I said, moved hard Left.
That's the result of chasing the votes of "moderates" for three decades, instead of simply standing on principle and giving voters a clear choice.

Now whether you like that or not, it is what it is. Ignoring that won't change it, either, and that's part of the problem.

[Cyber Liberty]

You are equating the GOP of today with Ronald Reagan, who was a standout 30 years ago.

Sorry, but that dog won't hunt.

When Reagan ran, we had a primary in ND for the POTUS election. Not last time.
Some of those who tried to speak at the (state) convention had the power to the mike cut.
Much has changed, and I wouldn't make the mistake of equating today's GOP with what we had in Reagan's day any more than today's openly Communist Democrats with those in his day either.

I will note that BOTH parties have morphed to the Left, and that both have done things which support the Globalist Agenda (or failed to undo them).

Trump has been a break from the McCain/Romney sort of Democrat Lite we've seen the Party morphing toward in recent years, but the brand does not signify "Conservative" to me any more, just generally to the Right of the Democrats a bit, and they've, as I said, moved hard Left.
That's the result of chasing the votes of "moderates" for three decades, instead of simply standing on principle and giving voters a clear choice.

Now whether you like that or not, it is what it is. Ignoring that won't change it, either, and that's part of the problem.

Nelson Rockefeller has come and gone decades ago, but his spirit remains.

[bigheadfred]

Nelson Rockefeller has come and gone decades ago, but his spirit remains.

Right.

"As President, I would work toward international creation of a new world order." ~ Nelson Rockefeller

[Smokin Joe]

Right.

"As President, I would work toward international creation of a new world order." ~ Nelson Rockefeller

GHW Bush echoed those words as well.
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[roamer_1]

Reagan was a Republican and you continue to badmouth Republicans and equate them with Democrats, who impeached Trump with lies and hatred.  Democrats beat Republicans over their heads with steel bars.  Democrats silence us and censor us, and you equate the two while proudly proclaiming yourself to be a "Reaganite" without even thinking about your self-contradiction.  Ridiculous and self-defeating.
To my Ignore List you go as you clearly are a broken record, as absurd to listen to  as the Leftists who like you have nothing to  say worth listening to.

Reagan was also once a Democrat. And like the democrats left him, so did the Republicans. There is nothing at all left of Reagan in mainstream Republican thought.

[jafo2010]

The Republican Party is morphing further left, and will continue to slide that direction.  Most unfortunate, but I reluctantly admit necessary with the changes in demographics.

Allowing illegal invaders to vote in our elections is a HUGE mistake, for it opens Pandora's Box for worse positions down the road.  And it diminishes the worth of the vote to allow just anyone the ability to vote.  Same is true for allowing felons to vote.  I jsut do not see the need for their having the franchise to vote any more than I see the logic behind allowing illegal invading aliens the right to vote.  Just plain idiotic!

And it is further proof the elected elite do not respect the very people that put them in office.  Last, it is a blatant attempt to advance globalization here in the USA.  Your vote does not count as a USA citizen, because you are now a citizen of the world and not of the USA.  Our sovereignty is being eroded every damn day by these globalist traitors.  Trump signed this piece of legislation, HE IS PART OF THE DAMNED SWAMP!!!!

[Smokin Joe]

The Republican Party is morphing further left, and will continue to slide that direction.  Most unfortunate, but I reluctantly admit necessary with the changes in demographics.

Allowing illegal invaders to vote in our elections is a HUGE mistake, for it opens Pandora's Box for worse positions down the road.  And it diminishes the worth of the vote to allow just anyone the ability to vote.  Same is true for allowing felons to vote.  I jsut do not see the need for their having the franchise to vote any more than I see the logic behind allowing illegal invading aliens the right to vote.  Just plain idiotic!

And it is further proof the elected elite do not respect the very people that put them in office.  Last, it is a blatant attempt to advance globalization here in the USA.  Your vote does not count as a USA citizen, because you are now a citizen of the world and not of the USA.  Our sovereignty is being eroded every damn day by these globalist traitors.  Trump signed this piece of legislation, HE IS PART OF THE DAMNED SWAMP!!!!

What it proves is that the "ruling elite" don't care about the Republic, the Constitution, the Rule of Law, or the Citizens of these United States.

All they care about is staying in their prestigious positions of power with ample opportunities for lucre.

Degrading our Rights as Citizens only opens degrades our national Sovereignty, opens the door to the whole "Global CItizen" BS, and caters to the Globalist Socialist "ruling elite", of whom they aim to be in the top ranks.

They are a far, far cry from the man who refused being made King. (George Washington).

[Wingnut]

When you're out of Schlitz, you're out of beer. 

The fridge has been empty of Schlitz since 1981 when the Schlitz brewery closed. The owners sold the brand to the Stroh Brewery Co. in Detroit in 1982, which eventually sold some of its lines to Pabst.