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SpaceX’s Starship Moon lander passes NASA review alongside Blue Origin, Dynetics

TESLARATI By Eric Ralph 9/26/2020

https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-starship-moon-lander-nasa-review-blue-origin/

A variant of SpaceX’s Starship spacecraft optimized to land NASA astronauts on the Moon has passed the space agency’s first review alongside competing teams lead by Blue Origin and Dynetics.

Aside from reiterating the fact that NASA is drawing heavily from its experience with the Commercial Crew Program (CCP), the completion of “certification baseline reviews” for Blue Origin, Dynetics, and SpaceX’s proposed lunar landers is a significant step forward for the Human Landing System (HLS) and Artemis programs. According to NASA’s official HLS “Broad Agency Announcement” or BAA, providers must submit a vast amount of paperwork and data to pass the certification baseline review (CBR).

NASA’s acceptance criteria for CBR documentation is about as general as the space agency gets, requiring providers to demonstrate at least a basic level of maturity and expertise. Like the name suggests, it sets a baseline from which NASA and SpaceX, Dynetics, and Blue Origin’s National Team will hone in on challenges and concerns specific to each system. SpaceX’s proposal is almost certainly unique, however, given that the company is the only one anywhere close to performing actual flight tests of a (relatively) similar system.

    Singer says all three HLS companies have competed certification baseline reviews, working towards confirmation reviews in December. [Blue Origin and Dynetics had disclosed last week completing those certification baseline reviews; SpaceX had not.]

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« Reply #402 on: September 27, 2020, 07:24:15 pm »

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Sidenote: Did SN7.1 get to an acceptable bar rating before pop? (per SN8 confidence, given the same alloy).

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8 bar differential in ullage, 9 bar at base due to propellant head. It’s enough. Improvements in work.
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Did you switch to 30X yet? Or is it still 304L?
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Mostly 304L, some 301. Broke at 301 to 304 interface. SN9 will be all 304. Also, we’re making some tweaks to the 304 alloy mixture.

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SpaceX launches 60 Starlink satellites and lands rocket at sea

Space.com by Amy Thompson 10/6/2020

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It's the third launch and landing for this Falcon 9!

SpaceX delivered its 13th batch of Starlink satellites to orbit Tuesday (Oct.6), following a two-week delay due to bad weather.

The two-stage Falcon 9 rocket blasted off from Pad 39A at NASA's Kennedy Space Center at 7:29 a.m. EDT (1129 GMT), hauling a full stack of 60 Starlink satellites. Approximately 9 minutes later, the booster's first stage came back to Earth, landing on one of SpaceX's drone ships in the Atlantic Ocean.

The launch marks SpaceX's 17th mission so far in 2020, and its 94th Falcon 9 flight to date. The company's fleet of flight-proven boosters has been busy this year, with the California-based rocket builder reaching a few new milestones, including launching and landing the same first-stage booster six times.

The launch also came amid World Space Week 2020, which is celebrating the impact satellites have on everyday life.

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SpaceX’s Mars-Colonizing Starship Is Ready for Its First Huge Test

Observer By Sissi Cao • 10/05/20

https://observer.com/2020/10/spacex-starship-prototype-sn8-prepares-test-mars-colonizing/

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The newest prototype of SpaceX’s moon-landing and Mars-colonizing spaceship, Starship, is expected to undergo its first high-altitude test flight this month. The giant spacecraft’s development site in Boca Chica, Texas has been extremely busy over the past few weeks with preparation for the big test.

Starship is SpaceX’s ultimate rocket designed for future interplanetary trips. Two previous prototypes, Starship SN5 and SN6, successfully performed 500-foot-high (150 meters) hops in a test flight last month. The latest prototype, SN8, aims to fly up to 50,000 feet (9.3 mile) above sea level, paving the way for SpaceX’s next target to reach Earth’s orbit.

On Friday, Elon Musk said on Twitter that an orbit-reaching prototype called “V1.0” would be revealed before the end of October. “Starship update coming in about 3 weeks,” he tweeted. “The design has coalesced. What is presented will actually be what flies to orbit as V1.0 with almost no changes.”

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Amazing. Do you think we’ll get to Mars in our lifetime?
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Amazing. Do you think we’ll get to Mars in our lifetime?

I surely think so, but I've been a Science Fiction and now Space Buff ever since I discovered the science fiction books in my Elementary School library.

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Amazing. Do you think we’ll get to Mars in our lifetime?

@Gefn


"OUR" time?

Maybe yours,but not mine,or anyone else over 60.
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"OUR" time?

Maybe yours,but not mine,or anyone else over 60.

@sneakypete I’m almost that. 
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@sneakypete I’m almost that.

@Gefn

I can't even see that in my rear view mirror.

Not even if I am wearing my glasses.
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Elon Musk says SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket 'could probably do 100+ reflights'

TESMANIAN by Evelyn Arevalo October 06, 2020

https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/100-flights

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SpaceX is a leader in aerospace innovation, rocket reusability is one of its top priorities. The company has designed and manufactured some of the world’s most advanced rockets, capable of launching payload to orbit and returning from space to be reused. Most aerospace companies use a rocket once and discard it; SpaceX engineers developed a rocket recovery system to reuse the first-stage booster of the two-stage Falcon 9. The 229-feet-tall launch vehicle is the most flown operational rocket in the United States, it has flown 94 times.

Falcon 9’s nine Merlin 1D engines are powered by a combination of rocket-grade kerosene, known as RP-1, and liquid oxygen, LOX. It is capable of producing over 1.7 million pounds of thrust as it lifts off through Earth’s atmosphere. In the vacuum of space, it produces over 1.8 million pounds of thrust.  The rocket’s second stage, which is the top section that propels the payload in space, is powered by a single Merlin engine, it can carry 25 tons of payload to low Earth orbit.

A Falcon 9’s first-stage features the capability to conduct vertical landings on autonomous drone ships at sea and on land. Engineers truly introduced a great innovation to the aerospace industry. To date, the company has successfully returned 61 orbital-class rocket boosters from space soon after deploying payload. Overall, SpaceX has reused previously-flown Falcon 9 first-stage boosters 43 times --a first in the history of rocketry.

Falcon 9 is capable of being 85% reusable. Engineers aim to eventually accomplish developing a next-generation rocket that can be as reusable as airplanes. For now, SpaceX’s reusability goal is to refly a booster 10 times, they are halfway towards reaching that milestone. A couple of Falcon 9 first-stage boosters have already re-flown 6 times. Today, SpaceX founder Chief Engineer Elon Musk said the company is "aiming for 10+ flights of booster & fairing by end of next year."

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SpaceX Boca Chica - SN8 Pressure Testing, RCS Thruster Test - Bluezilla Disassembled

NASA Spaceflight 10/6/2020


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SN8 pressure testing continued last night/this morning, including some RCS thruster tests. Bluezilla disassembly begins, Tankzilla is prepped for a move- to where we don't know yet, and an interesting new piece of machinery is delivered. Earth work at the Launch Site continued, and Super Heavy's LOX Stack 1 was moved around the build site.

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SpaceX Boca Chica - SN8 Pressure Testing, RCS Thruster Test - Bluezilla Disassembled

NASA Spaceflight 10/6/2020


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SN8 pressure testing continued last night/this morning, including some RCS thruster tests. Bluezilla disassembly begins, Tankzilla is prepped for a move- to where we don't know yet, and an interesting new piece of machinery is delivered. Earth work at the Launch Site continued, and Super Heavy's LOX Stack 1 was moved around the build site.

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Inside Relativity Space’s 3D-printing rocket ‘factory of the future’

CNBC by Michael Sheetz 10/8/2020

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/07/inside-relativity-space-hq-3d-printer-rocket-factory-of-the-future.html?mc_cid=7fab2c7bb5&mc_eid=ccdc8e505f

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•   Rocket builder Relativity Space this summer moved into its new headquarters in Long Beach, California.

•   â€œThe new printers are operational and actually printing our first flight parts right now, so we have several printers building the first rocket we’re actually going to fly to orbit,” Relativity CEO Tim Ellis told CNBC.

•   The company is building the first iteration of its Terran 1 rocket, with about 95% of the parts being 3D-printed.

Rocket builder Relativity Space this summer moved into its new headquarters in Long Beach, California – and already the company is manufacturing the parts it needs for its first launch late next year.

Relativity is currently building the first iteration of its Terran 1 rocket. But unlike other rockets, Relativity is using multiple 3D-printers, all developed in-house, to build Terran 1. The rocket is designed to have about 95% of its parts be 3D-printed, which allows Relativity’s rocket to be less complex, and faster to build or modify, than traditional rockets. Additionally, Relativity says its simpler process will eventually be capable of turning raw material into a rocket on the launchpad in under 60 days.

While Relativity had made progress testing its 3D-printing technology, the company’s 120,000 square foot headquarters will serve as the foundation for its manufacturing and launch business. Relativity is now on its third generation of 3D-printers, capable of manufacturing a single piece of metal up to 32 feet tall – as high as the new ceiling allows.

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Starship SN8 Passes Cryogenic Proof Test

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SpaceX is set to perform a cryogenic proof test with Starship SN8. The proof test is when the vehicle is pressurized with cryogenic liquid nitrogen and pressed against with a thrust simulator to minmic the flight environment. The test will verify that the Starship is ready for static fire testing later this month.


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SN8 receiving Raptors as prelude to advanced Starship testing

Spaceflight.com by Chris Bergin October 11, 2020

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2020/10/sn8-raptors-prelude-advanced-starship-testing/

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Installation of the three Raptors that will power Starship SN8’s unique test flight began on Sunday at SpaceX Boca Chica. The brand new engines will be the focal point of a test program that will involve at least two Static Fire tests ahead of a test flight to 50,000 feet.

Starship SN8:

SN8 underwent a total of three cryo proofing tests during the week. The first was deemed acceptable per the test parameters, but a small leak “opened up near the engine mounts, possibly due to differential shrinking,” according to SpaceX Chief Designer and CEO Elon Musk.

The repair was completed in time for a second test the following night, which appeared to show SN8 fully loaded with LN2 (Liquid Nitrogen), but without any reference as to how it went from Elon. Roadblocks were then called for the third time, pointing to another test 24 hours later.

This time the test concluded with Elon noting cryo proofing was a success.

    Passed cryo proof

    — Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 9, 2020

With this milestone complete, the Thrust Rams were removed from underneath SN8 to make room for installing the three Raptor engines.

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SpaceX schedules Starship’s first triple-Raptor static fire test

TESLARATI by Eric Ralph 10/14/2020

https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-starship-first-triple-raptor-static-fire-schedule/

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Curiously, SpaceX remained quiet for several days after Starship SN8 passed its first big test. Whereas with past Starship prototypes SpaceX has often filed test plans (appearing in the form of road closures) even before the current phase of testing is complete, the company waited until Tuesday, October 14th to file closure notices for “SN8 static fire” testing.

Cryo proof complete, SpaceX installed Starship SN8’s engines – the first time multiple Raptors have been fully integrated with a rocket or test stand – in preparation for another Raptor first: multi-engine static fires. While modern computation fluid dynamics (CFD) and modeling mean that the great unknowns of rocket propulsion are rarely as opaque as they used to be, the first test of multiple powerful engines in close proximity is still a guaranteed recipe for surprises.

Thanks to expertise hard-won from nearly 100 Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy launches, SpaceX is likely the world’s foremost expert in the challenges and dynamics of the proximity operation of more than two rocket engines. At the same time, though, Raptor is a dramatically different engine than Merlin 1D and while Starship will only have six engines at most, those six engines will produce thrust equivalent to almost two entire Falcon 9 boosters.

In other words, even with a (relatively) simple three-Raptor static fire, SpaceX will be treading new ground and will almost certainly end up learning one or several things about Raptor’s design and operation. More likely than not, SpaceX will begin Starship SN8’s static fire test campaign with a wet dress rehearsal (like a cryo proof but with real liquid methane and oxygen propellant) and transition into a Raptor spin prime (turbopump spin-up) or preburner test (a turbopump spin-up but with partial combustion) if the WDR goes smoothly. If all three Raptor engines appear healthy, SpaceX may recycle and attempt the first static fire just an hour or two later.

Starship SN8’s triple-Raptor static fire test window opened at 9pm CDT on October 14th and closes at 6am on the 15th, with an identical 9pm-6am backup on the 15th and another window from 8am to 4:30pm on the 16th. LabPadre (below) will continue to offer 24/7 views of Starship, including any static fire testing, while NASASpaceflight.com will likely provide live coverage once testing begins in earnest.

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SpaceX Status Report – October 16, 2020

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Starship SN8 Testing Schedule

•   10/15/2020 – 9:00 pm – 6:00 am – ABORT: Starship SN8 Preburner & Static Fire Testing
•   10/16/2020 – 8:00 am – 4:30 pm – Canceled
•   10/18/2020 – 9:00 pm – 6:00 am
•   10/19/2020 – 9:00 pm – 6:00 am
•   10/20/2020 – 9:00 pm – 6:00 am

Starship Construction Status

---(SN5,6,8,9)---

•  SN10 – Under construction

•   10/16/2020 – Common dome section has now been stacked in the Mid-Bay.
•   10/14/2020 – Stacking began in the Mid-Bay.
•   10/03/2020 – Trust section mated to leg skirt in the shipyard.
•   10/03/2020 – Thrust section spotted in the shipyard.
•   10/03/2020 – Leg skirt spotted in the shipyard. WO: 133 7367
•   09/09/2020 – The forward dome was sleaved with a four-ring stack. All of the previous upper bulkheads have been sleeved with a three-ring stack.
•   09/04/2020 – Thrust puck and fuel downcomer delivered.

•  SN11 – Under construction

•   10/07/2020 – Thrust dome flipped
•   10/05/2020 – Trust dome has been sleeved.
•   10/03/2020 – Methane Header tank spotted
•   09/20/2020 – Common Bulkhead spotted
•   09/14/2020 – Thrust puck and fuel downcomer delivered.
•   09/09/2020 – Aft dome section spotted in the shipyard.

•  SN12 – Under construction

•   09/20/2020 – Leg Skirt spotted in the shipyard.

•  SN13 – Under construction

•  SN14 – Under construction

•   10/10/2020 – Methane downcomer spotted.

•  SH1 – Super Heavy Booster – Under construction

•   10/07/2020 – Lox Stack 2 spotted in the shipyard.
•   10/01/2020 – Fuel Stack spotted in the shipyard.
•   10/01/2020 – Forward dome was sleeved with a four ring stack labeled “FWD BARREL ASSY BOOSTER”.
•   10/02/2020 – Lox Stack 1 spotted in the shipyard.
•   09/28/2020 – Lox Stack 4 spotted in the shipyard.
•   09/22/2020 – Milestone – First Super Heavy booster Common Dome Assembly spotted in the shipyard.
•   09/02/2020 – The first Super-Heavy booster (Per Elon Musk).

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Starship SN8 conducts preburner test ahead of Static Fire and nosecone firsts

NASA Spaceflight by Chris Bergin October 18, 2020

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2020/10/starship-sn8-static-fire-nosecone-firsts/

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The stage is set for a milestone Static Fire test for Starship SN8. The latest attempt – during a lengthy window that extended into Monday morning – saw an aborted preburner test, followed by a preburner test – laying the foundations for a potential repeat preburner and an actual Static Fire test on Tuesday.

Pending a successfully Static Fire, SN8 will be able to look forward to nosecone’s installation – with a header tank – for a repeat test in around a week.

SN8 Static Fire:

Sunday night’s test follows an aborted attempt earlier in the week.

Although SpaceX has conducted numerous Static Fire tests with its Starship prototypes, this is the first time three Raptors will have been fired together. This includes at SpaceX’s test center in McGregor, Texas – where Raptors are test fired individually.

The test path has been refined over the evolution of Starship, with two objectives within a few hours of each other set to take place.

Once the vehicle has been prop-loaded, controllers can conduct a preburner test – as was the case during the Sunday/Monday overnight window.

A preburner is essentially a small engine that powers a turbopump. Each Raptor engine has two, one for the liquid oxygen oxidizer and one for the methane fuel.

Providing the data from this objective is deemed acceptable; recycling of the vehicle will prepare for the Static Fire test that will utilize Raptors SN30, 32, and 39.

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SpaceX Starship go for nosecone installation forward after historic static fire

TESLARATI By Eric Ralph 10/21/2020

https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-starship-nosecone-installation-static-fire-success/

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SpaceX CEO Elon Musk has confirmed that Starship and Raptor’s first triple-engine static fire was a success, opening the door for nosecone installation.

Around 3:13 am CDT, October 20th, Starship serial number 8 (SN8) successfully fired up three Raptor engines less than two hours after completing the first successful three-engine preburner test. With zero direct human intervention, SpaceX remotely detanked the rocket’s cryogenic liquid methane and oxygen propellant – the remnants now too warm to be used again in a controlled manner. In an hour or less, SpaceX engineers combed through the data produced and concluded that all three Raptor engines were healthy after their partial ignition test.

Effectively reset to a stable state, SpaceX once again proceeded to load Starship SN8’s propellant tanks with a small amount of supercooled LOx and LCH4, almost exactly mirroring the preburner test. Around 50 minutes after the recycle commenced and 25 minutes after propellant loading kicked off, Starship SN8 ignited three Raptors simultaneously – a major milestone for any rocket engine. Static fire now completed, Starship SN8 has been cleared to become the first operational prototype to reach its full 50m (~165 ft) height.

    Data from 3 engine Starship static fire this morning looks good. Proceeding with nosecone mate.


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SpaceX Starship go for nosecone installation forward after historic static fire

TESLARATI By Eric Ralph 10/21/2020

https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-starship-nosecone-installation-static-fire-success/


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I've been watching them move the mother of all cranes to the launch site.  This live stuff is addictive.

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I've been watching them move the mother of all cranes to the launch site.  This live stuff is addictive.
It appears that nosecone stacking is going on NOW. @Elderberry

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SpaceX launches second Starlink mission of the week

NASA Spaceflight.com by Danny Lentz October 24, 2020

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Two days after scrubbing a previous attempt shortly before launch, and still less than a week after the previous Starlink flight, SpaceX launched its third batch of Starlink satellites this month into orbit at 11:31 EDT (15:31 UTC) on Saturday, 24 October.  The v1.0 L14 mission — the 14th launch of operational satellites and 15th Starlink flight overall — was launched from pad SLC-40 at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station.

The payload for this flight was a batch of 60 satellites for SpaceX’s Starlink satellite constellation that will provide high speed internet service.  With each satellite having a mass of about 260 kg, the full payload stack massed nearly 16 metric tons.  According to pre-launch data released on Celestrak, the targeted deployment orbit was approximately 260 x 270 km.

The Falcon 9 launch vehicle for this mission was booster 1060.3, which launched the GPS III SV03 and the Starlink 11 operational flight earlier this year.  The vehicle performed a successful static fire test Wednesday, 21 October to verify that it was ready for flight.  This was the 19th Falcon 9 launch this year (including the suborbital In-Flight Abort Test), and the 13th Starlink mission of the year.

Starlink beta testing begins:

As SpaceX nears the beginning of wider beta testing and the subsequent start of service in the northern U.S. and southern Canada, SpaceX recently qualified to participate in the first round of Federal Communication Commission’s (FCC’s) Rural Digital Opportunity Fund (RDOF) Auction, which will disburse $16 billion to internet providers over the next decade for connecting locations that do not currently have access to speedy internet connections at reasonable prices.

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NASA Inspects Starship Moon Lander & Fully Stacked SN8 Ready For Flight (Video)
October 24th, 2020

0:00 Intro: NASA is inspecting SpaceX Starship moon lander for the 2024 Artemis moon mission. Meanwhile, Starship SN8 is fully stacked at SpaceX Boca Chica facility and ready for the 15km SpaceX Starship test flight.

1:23 As for Starship SpaceX news, Starship SN8 is fully stacked at Boca Chica after the latest successful Starship raptor engine static fire test. According to Elon Musk, the first 15km Starship SpaceX test flight can take place anytime soon.

A white painted lunar Starship mockup is spotted at Boca Chica, which shows that NASA seriously considers using Starship as their Artemis moon lander for NASA's 2024 crewed moon mission. The Starship moon lander offers far greater payload capacity and interior volume than the Blue Origin led National Team moon lander and the Dynetics Alpaca moon lander.

The number of working SpaceX Starlink satellites keeps increasing with SpaceX Falcon 9 launch. As the first Starlink beta tests showed positive results, the US military is also considering using SpaceX Starlink Internet.

ULA's DELTA IV HEAVY NROL-44 mission still doesn't have a scheduled launch date.

Blue Origin is trying to convince the US Air Force to continue investing in the Blue Origin New Glenn rocket for future satellite launch missions.

NASA’s OSIRIS-REx Spacecraft successfully collected a significant amount of asteroid from Bennu.

NASA collaborates with the Department of Energy to develop a space-grade radio-isotope thermo-electric generator for the NASA Artemis moon program.

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SpaceX will livestream Starship’s harrowing launch debut, says Elon Musk

TESLARATI  By Eric Ralph 11/2/2020

https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-starship-high-altitude-launch-debut-webcast/

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CEO Elon Musk says that SpaceX will livestream Starship’s harrowing high-altitude launch and landing debut “warts and all,” offering a rare glimpse behind the scenes of a high-risk aerospace endeavor.

As of November 1st, Starship prototype serial number 8 (SN8) has just kicked off what will likely be the rocket’s last round of ground tests. If it passes those tests, including cryogenic proofing and at least one more triple-Raptor static fire, the path will be clear for SN8’s first high-altitude launch attempt. Slightly downgraded from an apogee of 20 km to 15 km, the massive steel rocket will attempt to fly more than 30% higher than modern passenger jets before quite literally free-falling almost all the way back to earth.

The test flight will be about as bizarre – if not weirder – than it already sounds and, as Musk has lately been working overtime to convey, such uncharted terrain that almost anything could happen.

                Sure, although it might be quite a short livestream! Lot can go wrong, but we’ll provide video, warts & all. You will see every frame that we do.


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New Mexico to Launch Its First Astronauts to Space This November

autoevolution by Daniel Patrascu 11/7/2020

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Sometime by the end of this month, New Mexico will join the very short list of American states from where people have launched into space. This is possible thanks to Virgin Galactic and its efforts of making Spaceport America one of the pillars of future space tourism.

Virgin does not say when exactly it plans to conduct the launch, but it does say it should be by the end of this month. Two astronauts, CJ Sturckow and Dave Mackay, will climb into the cabin of the VSS Unity and head out to the edge of space with the goal of both testing the spacecraft some more, and also conduct experiments on behalf of NASA.

The two will become the first people to leave for space from New Mexico soil, but the occasion is a tad more important for Sturckow, who is set to become the first human to have flown to space from three different U.S. states.

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New Mexico to Launch Its First Astronauts to Space This November

autoevolution by Daniel Patrascu 11/7/2020

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I wasn't aware Richard Branson's Virgin was this far along in development of manned flight....
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SpaceX Starship saved by ‘burst disk’ after Raptor static fire ends badly

TESLArati  By Eric Ralph 11/13/2020

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Around 7:15 pm local time, SpaceX Starship prototype SN8 fired up one or several Raptor engines for the third time ever, catching onlookers – only expected a dress rehearsal – by surprise. An hour later, CEO Elon Musk revealed that SpaceX had effectively lost control of the rocket.

Unfortunately for SpaceX, this is not the first incident in which a fire led to a loss of Starship control. Back in May 2020, Starship serial number 4 (SN4) – the first full-scale prototype to have a Raptor installed – completed its third successful static fire test. Moments later, a vent line adjacent to the engine section caught fire, burning for a minute or two. Ultimately, likely due to destroyed wiring or plumbing, SpaceX seemingly lost control of SN4 and had to wait a full two days for cryogenic propellant to boil off and evaporate before teams could approach the rocket to inspect, repair, and regain control.

Now, more likely than not, Starship SN8 has suffered a similar – but not identical – failure, cutting some level of control. Elon Musk took to Twitter about an hour after the rocket’s third Raptor static fire, revealing that SpaceX had lose control of Starship’s pneumatics, referring to hydraulic systems needed to operate most of the rocket’s valves. For SN8, that meant nothing but bad news.

    We lost vehicle pneumatics. Reason unknown at present. Liquid oxygen header tank pressure is rising. Hopefully triggers burst disk to relieve pressure, otherwise it’s going to pop the cork.

Yay! Looks like a burst disk, which is better than "the front fell off" pop.

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Starship SN8 hoping for speedy return to testing as additional vehicles line up

NASA Spaceflight by Chris Bergin November 14, 2020

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Following Starship SN8’s eventful Static Fire test, it was feared the test flight would likely suffer from a lengthy delay. However, thanks in part to a burst disk that avoided a damaging “pop” scenario, SN8 may yet still fly to 50,000 feet this month, albeit with a realigned trio of Raptor engines.

While repair work on SN8 is conducted at the Launch Site, there’s been no slowdown of the incredible production cadence a short distance down Highway 4, with three Starships assembled or in a stacking processing flow. The first sections of the BN1 prototype Super Heavy are also into stacking operations in the High Bay.

Starship SN8 was in the process of following up her initial three engine Static Fire test with a new trio of ignitions over the space of around a week.

The first test involved the first-ever firing of a Raptor engine via the two Header Tanks, one of which – the LOX Header Tank – being located at the nosecone’s tip. Previous Starship prototypes (bar the pathfinder MK1) have been tested without a nosecone.

That test went to plan, despite social media speculation citing concerns with the sparks that were seen flying into the air during ignition. Those sparks were from the pad surface, not the engine letting go – as later confirmed by SpaceX pressing on to the second test promptly without removing any of the engines.

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Starship SN8 hoping for speedy return to testing as additional vehicles line up

NASA Spaceflight by Chris Bergin November 14, 2020

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2020/11/sn8-speedy-return-testing-vehicles-line-up/
I watched the last test.  There was speculation that it was hydraulic fluid burning as it dripped from the engine bay.  Or was it the engine melting?  Know anything different @Elderberry ?

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I watched the last test.  There was speculation that it was hydraulic fluid burning as it dripped from the engine bay.  Or was it the engine melting?  Know anything different @Elderberry ?


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What wasn’t expected was a stream of molten liquid dripping from one of the engine nozzles onto the pad surface several seconds after engine shutdown. That clearly wasn’t a nominal situation.

Concerned Starship followers bombarded Elon Musk with inquiries into the problem before SpaceX CEO and Chief Designer replied, “We lost vehicle pneumatics. Reason unknown at present. Liquid oxygen header tank pressure is rising. Hopefully triggers burst disk to relieve pressure; otherwise, it’s going to pop the cork.”

That immediately moved the focus on the top part of the vehicle, with the hope of seeing a release of pressure, as opposed to a potential “RUD – Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly”.

Thankfully, the burst disk – a specially designed sheet of metal that is weakened to the point an overpressure breaks the sheet before the pressure rises to the point of an explosive event – worked as planned, mitigating the lack of primary valve control via the loss of pneumatics.

A plume of released LOX was observed emanating from the top of the nosecone, effectively saving SN8.


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SpaceX’s Elon Musk hints at “notable” Starship changes, explains static fire anomaly

TESLARATI  By Eric Ralph 11/18/2020

CEO Elon Musk has offered an explanation for SpaceX’s recent Starship static fire anomaly and says that an overview of the next-generation rocket development program will be delayed to account for some “notable” design changes.

Over the last several months, Musk has promised to do one of his (thus far) usual annual Starship updates, either in the form of a presentation in South Texas, an article published on SpaceX’s website, or both. Originally expected in September or October, the CEO’s tentative schedules have come and gone several times. Simultaneously, however, SpaceX has been preparing Starship serial number 8 (SN8) for a range of crucial tests and Starship program firsts, recently culminating in a successful cryogenic proof test, multiple wet dress rehearsals (WDRs), nosecone installation, the first triple-Raptor static fire test, engine tests using smaller ‘header’ tanks, and more.

Unfortunately for SN8, the most recent Raptor engine header static fire – drawing propellant from two small internal tanks mainly used for landing burns – did not go according to plan, resulting in some kind of high-temperature fire and severing Starship’s hydraulic systems. For SpaceX test controllers, that meant a total loss of control of most vehicle valves and pressurization systems, essentially putting one of Starship SN8’s header tanks through an unplanned pressure and failsafe test. In the days since, what exactly caused that unfortunate failure has been the subject of a great deal of discussion – discussion that can finally be put to rest with new information from Musk himself.

Avionics cables moving to steel pipe shields & adding water-cooled steel pipes to test pad

In a surprise, SpaceX had apparently decided to add a failsafe to Starship SN8’s new nose section, installing what is known as a burst disk – effectively an automatic single-use valve. Once the upper (liquid oxygen) header tank reached dangerous pressures, the force of that pressure broke the seal, allowing the rocket to vent excess pressure and avoid what would have otherwise been a potentially catastrophic explosion.

The cause of that near-miss, according to Elon Musk, was as simple as debris kicked up during the Starship SN8 Raptor engine static fire directly prior. Producing up to 200 metric tons (~450,000 lbf) of thrust and an exhaust stream traveling some 3.3 kilometers per second (2 mi/s, Mach ~10), Musk says that Raptor tore apart a special ceramic coating covering the concrete directly beneath Starship SN8. Likely accelerated to extreme velocities in milliseconds, shards of that coating reportedly “severed [an] avionics cable, causing [a] bad [Raptor engine shutdown].”

More: https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-starship-elon-musk-explains-failed-static-fire/

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SpaceX’s Elon Musk hints at “notable” Starship changes, explains static fire anomaly

TESLARATI  By Eric Ralph 11/18/2020

CEO Elon Musk has offered an explanation for SpaceX’s recent Starship static fire anomaly and says that an overview of the next-generation rocket development program will be delayed to account for some “notable” design changes.

Over the last several months, Musk has promised to do one of his (thus far) usual annual Starship updates, either in the form of a presentation in South Texas, an article published on SpaceX’s website, or both. Originally expected in September or October, the CEO’s tentative schedules have come and gone several times. Simultaneously, however, SpaceX has been preparing Starship serial number 8 (SN8) for a range of crucial tests and Starship program firsts, recently culminating in a successful cryogenic proof test, multiple wet dress rehearsals (WDRs), nosecone installation, the first triple-Raptor static fire test, engine tests using smaller ‘header’ tanks, and more.

Unfortunately for SN8, the most recent Raptor engine header static fire – drawing propellant from two small internal tanks mainly used for landing burns – did not go according to plan, resulting in some kind of high-temperature fire and severing Starship’s hydraulic systems. For SpaceX test controllers, that meant a total loss of control of most vehicle valves and pressurization systems, essentially putting one of Starship SN8’s header tanks through an unplanned pressure and failsafe test. In the days since, what exactly caused that unfortunate failure has been the subject of a great deal of discussion – discussion that can finally be put to rest with new information from Musk himself.

Avionics cables moving to steel pipe shields & adding water-cooled steel pipes to test pad

In a surprise, SpaceX had apparently decided to add a failsafe to Starship SN8’s new nose section, installing what is known as a burst disk – effectively an automatic single-use valve. Once the upper (liquid oxygen) header tank reached dangerous pressures, the force of that pressure broke the seal, allowing the rocket to vent excess pressure and avoid what would have otherwise been a potentially catastrophic explosion.

The cause of that near-miss, according to Elon Musk, was as simple as debris kicked up during the Starship SN8 Raptor engine static fire directly prior. Producing up to 200 metric tons (~450,000 lbf) of thrust and an exhaust stream traveling some 3.3 kilometers per second (2 mi/s, Mach ~10), Musk says that Raptor tore apart a special ceramic coating covering the concrete directly beneath Starship SN8. Likely accelerated to extreme velocities in milliseconds, shards of that coating reportedly “severed [an] avionics cable, causing [a] bad [Raptor engine shutdown].”

More: https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-starship-elon-musk-explains-failed-static-fire/
They'd better change the ceramic coating of the concrete or they'll have the same problem again.  You'd think steel plates attached to the concrete would take care of it, but what do I know.

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They'd better change the ceramic coating of the concrete or they'll have the same problem again.  You'd think steel plates attached to the concrete would take care of it, but what do I know.

It does make the point this is not an "accurate to real life" test.  Usually, when you light the candle, it doesn't stay on the pad, but in the static fire test, the rocket stays clamped down for the entire burn.   :shrug:
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A double rainbow formed over Falcon 9 B1061.1!



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SpaceX competitor Rocket Lab makes first Electron booster splashdown

CNET by  Eric Mack, Jackson Ryan Nov. 19, 2020

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The company aiming to be SpaceX for smaller satellites is working up to a historic helicopter recovery.

Rocket Lab is following in the footsteps of SpaceX by going to some pretty dramatic lengths to recycle its rockets. The startup with facilities in the US and New Zealand attempted to recover the first-stage booster from one of its Electron rockets for the first time Thursday.

The rocket blasted off from New Zealand and boosted a number of small satellites -- including one particularly special garden gnome -- toward orbit for the mission, appropriately dubbed Return to Sender. The first stage then separated to make a controlled soft water landing in the Pacific Ocean using parachutes.

The live feed of the mission was lost when the rocket descended back toward Earth at high speed, but Rocket Lab confirmed via social media that the parachutes deployed successfully and that the rocket splashed down in the Pacific.

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SpaceX launches advanced ocean-mapping satellite for NASA and Europe, nails rocket landing

Space.com by Amy Thompson 11/21/2020

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The Sentinel-6 Michael Freilich satellite will map Earth's rising sea levels.

A SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket launched an advanced ocean-mapping satellite into orbit for NASA and the European Space Agency Saturday (Nov. 21) in a stunning morning launch from California.

The 229-foot-tall (70-meter) Falcon 9 leapt off the pad from Space Launch Complex 4E at California’s Vandenberg Air Force Base at 9:17 a.m. PST (12:17 p.m. EST/1717 GMT). It's payload: the oceanography satellite Sentinel-6 Michael Freilich developed by U.S. and European space and weather agencies.

The launch marked SpaceX's SpaceX 22nd Falcon 9 this year. About nine minutes after liftoff, the rocket's first stage returned to terra firma, capping off the flight with a successful landing.

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Rumor has it that SN8 is supposed to launch on Nov. 30th.  Also, there are road closures starting Monday for additional testing.

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SpaceX Starship Updates! SN8 15km Flight Soon, SN13 & SN15 Exist, SN9 Nose Work! TheSpaceXShow

TheSpaceXFans •Nov 22, 2020

Welcome to the latest SpaceX Starship updates video from TheSpaceXFans. Starting off today, we have the recently launched Sentinel-6 mission, as well as some other standard SpaceX news. Like always, we then have a handful of Boca Chica infrastructure updates to take a look at. After which, we have Starship with SN8 15km flight soon, plus SN9 nose work, as well as SN11 stacking. Finally we now also know that SN13 & SN15 exist. Sit back and enjoy!

All sorts of cool and up to date SpaceX info from launches to boosters and more:


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LIVE: Starship SN8 Static Fire #4

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SpaceX is set to perform the fourth static fire with Starship SN8. This test will use Raptor engines SN30, SN36, and SN42.

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I hope they add another layer of aluminum foil this time.  :crossed:
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Static Fire performed.

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SpaceX's Starship SN8 prototype fires engines ahead of major test flight

Space.com by Mike Wall 11/24/2020

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This was static fire number four for SN8. It could launch next week.

SpaceX's latest Starship prototype fired its engines for the fourth time on Tuesday evening (Nov. 24), keeping the vehicle on track for a landmark test flight next week.

The Starship SN8 prototype performed its fourth "static fire" test at 6:23 p.m. EST (2323 GMT) Tuesday at SpaceX's South Texas facility, near the seaside village of Boca Chica.

Static fires, in which engines briefly blaze up while a vehicle remains bolted to the ground, are common preflight checkouts for SpaceX rockets. And SN8 ("Serial No. 8") is indeed gearing up for a flight — a test that will take it to a target altitude of 9 miles (15 kilometers), far higher than any other Starship prototype has gone.

Tuesday's test kept SN8 on target for that milestone leap, SpaceX founder and CEO Elon Musk said.

"Good Starship SN8 static fire! Aiming for first 15km / ~50k ft altitude flight next week. Goals are to test 3-engine ascent, body flaps, transition from main to header tanks & landing flip," Musk tweeted Tuesday evening, about 45 minutes after the test occurred.

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Good Starship SN8 static fire!

Aiming for first 15km / ~50k ft altitude flight next week.

Goals are to test 3 engine ascent, body flaps, transition from main to header tanks & landing flip.

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How are you feeling about Starship’s chances of landing in one piece?

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Lot of things need to go right, so maybe 1/3 chance

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Elon Musk @elonmusk

Good Starship SN8 static fire!

Aiming for first 15km / ~50k ft altitude flight next week.

Goals are to test 3 engine ascent, body flaps, transition from main to header tanks & landing flip.

Michael Sheetz @thesheetztweetz·

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How are you feeling about Starship’s chances of landing in one piece?

Elon Musk@elonmusk·

Lot of things need to go right, so maybe 1/3 chance
After watching them land the first stage of a Falcon rocket over and over on the drone ship, I'd give them about a 75% chance of landing the thing.  The first time I saw the Falcon stage land and I think both stages landed at once, I just couldn't take my eyes off of it and replayed it over and over.  The technology to do that is just astounding.

The static fire the other day looked wonderful, not much debris flying up.  If the hop is a failure, I just pray it lands in the gulf and not on the tank farm.  They likely need a new reef out there anyways...lol.

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SpaceX planned 9 mile launch, 'self-destruct' zone over Gulf

KRGV5 by Christian Von Preysing 11/25/2020

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SpaceX came close to hitting the launch button on an early November flight up to 50,000 feet (9.4 miles) at its Boca Chica launch site, according to federal and state emails.

The company planned to launch its SN8 Starship prototype November 3, according to emails obtained from the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, and later between November 9 and 11, according to an email from a U.S. Coast Guard official.

Both of those launch dates did not happen. SpaceX neither announced those plans nor any cancellations. Meanwhile, the company followed through with a series of static fire tests and road closures at its Boca Chica launch site. SpaceX now plans the 50 thousand foot launch (15km) for next week.

The most striking detail among plans shared between emergency personnel, was the emergency scenario, which called for a "self-destruct" area, up to 9.9 nautical miles offshore of the Brazos Santiago southern jetty tip, according to an email written by Jason Cross, with the U.S. Coast Guard's Corpus Christi Sector.

"There is a good chance of failure on this test vehicle with debris falling into the ocean," wrote Cross, to emergency response personnel in the area. "We will need everyone to stay out of the self-destruct zone in case there is an incident."

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StarShip Flight dates posted!
SN8 will fly up to 15Km(9.4 Miles/~50kft) and attempt to land.
MON, Nov 30 (7am-6pm CST/ 1pm-12am UTC)
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Boca Chica, TX (*Primary date)
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TUES-WED, Dec 1-2 (8am-5pm CST/ 2pm-11pm UTC)
Closures: SN8 15km FLIGHT🚀
Boca Chica, TX (*Backup dates)
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If you want to see the 15km launch of the Starship here is one of the links:


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SpaceX's Starship SN8 flight attempt to 50,000 feet "no earlier than Wednesday"


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