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Re: Carly Fiorina: It’s ‘Vital’ That Trump Be Impeached
« Reply #50 on: December 18, 2019, 03:45:58 pm »
It's also not quantifiable...like President Trump fixed the economy, which is marginally better than the one he inherited.

Marginally? Dramatically would be more accurate though perhaps somewhat overstated. Consistently and significantly improved are the adjectives that fit best...empirically. Does a 50 year low in unemployment seem insignificant? Rising wages? Huge gains in the reduction of minority unemployment? Wage growth over 3% (first time in more than a decade)?

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Re: Carly Fiorina: It’s ‘Vital’ That Trump Be Impeached
« Reply #51 on: December 18, 2019, 04:14:41 pm »
Oh, you are so right.  This is much better:

First things first: Donald Trump has filed for corporate bankruptcy four times, in 1991, 1992, 2004 and 2009. All of these bankruptcies were connected to over-leveraged casino and hotel properties in Atlantic City, all of which are now operated under the banner of Trump Entertainment Resorts.
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Re: Carly Fiorina: It’s ‘Vital’ That Trump Be Impeached
« Reply #52 on: December 18, 2019, 09:34:12 pm »
She might be thinking of a third party run, perhaps, Constitution Party.  She expounds on her ideas well.

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Re: Carly Fiorina: It’s ‘Vital’ That Trump Be Impeached
« Reply #53 on: December 19, 2019, 05:15:48 am »
Marginally? Dramatically would be more accurate though perhaps somewhat overstated. Consistently and significantly improved are the adjectives that fit best...empirically. Does a 50 year low in unemployment seem insignificant? Rising wages? Huge gains in the reduction of minority unemployment? Wage growth over 3% (first time in more than a decade)?

Unemployment rate
2009    9.9%    
2010    9.3%    
2011    8.5%    
2012    7.9%    
2013    6.7%    
2014    5.6%    
2015    5.0%    
2016    4.7%    
2017    4.1%    
2018    3.9%

See a trend?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/ERP-2019.pdf

2018 was “the sixth consecutive year of positive real hourly earnings growth for nonsupervisory workers and the longest streak since the eight years of consecutive earnings growth from 1995 through 2002.”

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Re: Carly Fiorina: It’s ‘Vital’ That Trump Be Impeached
« Reply #54 on: December 19, 2019, 05:20:00 am »
She might be thinking of a third party run, perhaps, Constitution Party.  She expounds on her ideas well.

If she did I would seriously listen to what she has to say and consider casting a vote for Carly.
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Re: Carly Fiorina: It’s ‘Vital’ That Trump Be Impeached
« Reply #55 on: December 19, 2019, 05:28:53 am »
I just remember that depressing picture of her all alone at the airport after Sen Cruz bowed out in May 2016, and oh yea she screwed up HP.

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Re: Carly Fiorina: It’s ‘Vital’ That Trump Be Impeached
« Reply #56 on: December 19, 2019, 06:11:46 am »
I just remember that depressing picture of her all alone at the airport after Sen Cruz bowed out in May 2016, and oh yea she screwed up HP.
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Re: Carly Fiorina: It’s ‘Vital’ That Trump Be Impeached
« Reply #57 on: December 19, 2019, 08:41:01 am »
It's also not quantifiable...like President Trump fixed the economy, which is marginally better than the one he inherited.

My other favorite non-quantifiable thing Trump loves to take credit for is "rebuilding the military," as if we were on the cusp of being overrun by Costa Rica before he deigned to rescue us.
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Re: Carly Fiorina: It’s ‘Vital’ That Trump Be Impeached
« Reply #58 on: December 19, 2019, 08:43:18 am »
Unemployment rate
2009    9.9%    
2010    9.3%    
2011    8.5%    
2012    7.9%    
2013    6.7%    
2014    5.6%    
2015    5.0%    
2016    4.7%    
2017    4.1%    
2018    3.9%

See a trend?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/ERP-2019.pdf

2018 was “the sixth consecutive year of positive real hourly earnings growth for nonsupervisory workers and the longest streak since the eight years of consecutive earnings growth from 1995 through 2002.”

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Re: Carly Fiorina: It’s ‘Vital’ That Trump Be Impeached
« Reply #59 on: December 19, 2019, 02:25:46 pm »
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Re: Carly Fiorina: It’s ‘Vital’ That Trump Be Impeached
« Reply #60 on: December 19, 2019, 02:33:39 pm »
More like...you have to scramble a few eggs to make an omelette. This is little more than continued bleating from the Bush wing of the party. They have hurt feelings because they are disliked by Conservatives/Republicans ..

@Mesaclone

"disliked" is not a strong enough word. I am trying to come up with one that is strong enough,but am struggling.
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Re: Carly Fiorina: It’s ‘Vital’ That Trump Be Impeached
« Reply #61 on: December 19, 2019, 02:42:22 pm »
@Mesaclone

"disliked" is not a strong enough word. I am trying to come up with one that is strong enough,but am struggling.

The Bush wing can sit off in the corner and nurse their 'dislike' till the cows come home. They are no longer relevant and never will be again.

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Re: Carly Fiorina: It’s ‘Vital’ That Trump Be Impeached
« Reply #62 on: December 19, 2019, 02:47:21 pm »
The Bush wing can sit off in the corner and nurse their 'dislike' till the cows come home. They are no longer relevant and never will be again.

That Clan nailed their own coffin shut with their Trump-hate.  There's a positive development even the Nevers cannot deny.
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Re: Carly Fiorina: It’s ‘Vital’ That Trump Be Impeached
« Reply #63 on: December 19, 2019, 03:11:35 pm »
That Clan nailed their own coffin shut with their Trump-hate.  There's a positive development even the Nevers cannot deny.

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Re: Carly Fiorina: It’s ‘Vital’ That Trump Be Impeached
« Reply #64 on: December 19, 2019, 03:12:03 pm »
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Unemployment trends were downward late in Obama's presidency as the economy cycled out of recession...a very weak recovery thanks to massive regulation and over taxation...all these trends have continued and accelerated under President Trump in dramatic fashion. Further, wages-GDP-manufacturing jobs-stock markets had all stagnated under the oppressive Obama regulatory state. Critically, the Trump boom has most impacted those at the lower and middle portions of the economic spectrum...farm workers and manufacturing jobs have come back from the dead.

Dramatic Improvement: (Nearly a 40% decrease in Black unemployment)/b]
Black unemployment rate in March 2017 = 8.4%
Black unemployment rate in Nov 2019 = 5.1%

Dramatic Improvement: (Nearly a 50% decrease in Hispanic employment)
Hispanic unemployment rate in January 2017 = 5.9%
Hispanic unemployment rate in November 2019 = 3.1%

Dramatic Improvement: (Nearly a 50% increase in wages)
Non supervisory/Production wages in October 2017 = 2.16%
Non supervisory/Production wages in October 2019 =3.14%

Dramatic Improvement: (Nearly a 50% increase in domestic oil production)
US oil Production on election day November 2016 = 8699
US oil Production as of November 2019 = 12,900

Dramatic rise in the Dow Markets:
Dow Jones as of election day in November 2016 = 17,888
Dow Jones as of November 2019 = 28,267

Now, if you want to continue making the absurd argument that this nation has not seen dramatic economic growth in nearly every aspect...feel free to continue being absurd and counter-factual. Most fair minded observers can see how ridiculous that position is.

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Re: Carly Fiorina: It’s ‘Vital’ That Trump Be Impeached
« Reply #65 on: December 19, 2019, 05:23:55 pm »
Unemployment trends were downward late in Obama's presidency as the economy cycled out of recession...

I gave you the numbers.  Unemployment went down every succeeding year of Obama's Presidency yet you can't accept it.

Now, if you want to continue making the absurd argument that cluck cluck cluck, Bok Bok!
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Re: Carly Fiorina: It’s ‘Vital’ That Trump Be Impeached
« Reply #66 on: December 19, 2019, 05:46:10 pm »
Unemployment trends were downward late in Obama's presidency as the economy cycled out of recession...a very weak recovery thanks to massive regulation and over taxation...all these trends have continued and accelerated under President Trump in dramatic fashion. Further, wages-GDP-manufacturing jobs-stock markets had all stagnated under the oppressive Obama regulatory state. Critically, the Trump boom has most impacted those at the lower and middle portions of the economic spectrum...farm workers and manufacturing jobs have come back from the dead.

Dramatic Improvement: (Nearly a 40% decrease in Black unemployment)/b]
Black unemployment rate in March 2017 = 8.4%
Black unemployment rate in Nov 2019 = 5.1%

Dramatic Improvement: (Nearly a 50% decrease in Hispanic employment)
Hispanic unemployment rate in January 2017 = 5.9%
Hispanic unemployment rate in November 2019 = 3.1%

Dramatic Improvement: (Nearly a 50% increase in wages)
Non supervisory/Production wages in October 2017 = 2.16%
Non supervisory/Production wages in October 2019 =3.14%

Dramatic Improvement: (Nearly a 50% increase in domestic oil production)
US oil Production on election day November 2016 = 8699
US oil Production as of November 2019 = 12,900

Dramatic rise in the Dow Markets:
Dow Jones as of election day in November 2016 = 17,888
Dow Jones as of November 2019 = 28,267

Now, if you want to continue making the absurd argument that this nation has not seen dramatic economic growth in nearly every aspect...feel free to continue being absurd and counter-factual. Most fair minded observers can see how ridiculous that position is.

 "weak"..."oppressive" = Obama's economic growth
 "dramatic..."fair-minded?" = Trump's economic growth.
  I give Trump all the credit in the world for not messing up the gains that started under Obama.
  He has even grown the deficit at a higher rate, and I wish to credit him for that as well.
 
 
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Re: Carly Fiorina: It’s ‘Vital’ That Trump Be Impeached
« Reply #67 on: December 19, 2019, 06:00:52 pm »
"weak"..."oppressive" = Obama's economic growth
 "dramatic..."fair-minded?" = Trump's economic growth.
  I give Trump all the credit in the world for not messing up the gains that started under Obama.
  He has even grown the deficit at a higher rate, and I wish to credit him for that as well.
 
 

The Democrat argument that Trump's numbers on the Economy are thanks to Obastard policies is more foul-smelling today than the first day it was trotted out.  You are in good company.
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Re: Carly Fiorina: It’s ‘Vital’ That Trump Be Impeached
« Reply #68 on: December 19, 2019, 06:06:03 pm »
The Democrat argument that Trump's numbers on the Economy are thanks to Obastard policies is more foul-smelling today than the first day it was trotted out.  You are in good company.

Chuck Todd, Debbie Wasserman Schmutz, and Barack Obama all agree its true.

And one day they'll detail which Obama policies those were.

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Re: Carly Fiorina: It’s ‘Vital’ That Trump Be Impeached
« Reply #69 on: December 19, 2019, 06:06:45 pm »
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Carly Fiorina failed at H-P, but so has everyone else
Published: Sept 18, 2015 1:20 p.m. ET       

Opinion: Laying the blame for Hewlett-Packard’s failures on one person is too narrow a view



As Carly Fiorina grabs the spotlight as an emerging candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, her opponents — especially Donald Trump — are calling out her corporate track record, most notably her ouster from one of Silicon Valley’s greatest founding companies.

“I led Hewlett-Packard through a very difficult time, the worst technology recession in 25 years,” Fiorina said during the debate on Wednesday night, as she and Trump attacked each other over their business careers. “Despite those difficult times, we doubled the size of the company, we quadrupled its top-line growth rate, we quadrupled its cash flow, we tripled its rate of innovation.”

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Re: Carly Fiorina: It’s ‘Vital’ That Trump Be Impeached
« Reply #70 on: December 19, 2019, 06:17:30 pm »
The Democrat argument that Trump's numbers on the Economy are thanks to Obastard policies is more foul-smelling today than the first day it was trotted out.  You are in good company.

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Nobody said that.  Saying "gains that started under Obama" isn't the same as "thanks to Obastard"  Nobody here is giving Obama credit for economic gains, just like I freely admit unemployment has dropped under Trump's watch, but I give him almost no credit for it.  Do you understand the distinction?

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Re: Carly Fiorina: It’s ‘Vital’ That Trump Be Impeached
« Reply #71 on: December 19, 2019, 06:20:10 pm »
The Democrat argument that Trump's numbers on the Economy are thanks to Obastard policies is more foul-smelling today than the first day it was trotted out.  You are in good company.

 Tribalism is quaint.
 If Trump had inherited skyrocketing unemployment, and it had continued to increase under Trump, would you have a problem "crediting" Obama with affecting Trump's performance?
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Re: Carly Fiorina: It’s ‘Vital’ That Trump Be Impeached
« Reply #72 on: December 19, 2019, 06:25:48 pm »
That Clan nailed their own coffin shut with their Trump-hate.  There's a positive development even the Nevers cannot deny.

Sure I can. Moderates are still in control of all the congressional power, and all of the RNC party power, and the power behind the moderates IS the Bush family.

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Re: Carly Fiorina: It’s ‘Vital’ That Trump Be Impeached
« Reply #73 on: December 19, 2019, 06:32:30 pm »
Sure I can. Moderates are still in control of all the congressional power, and all of the RNC party power, and the power behind the moderates IS the Bush family.
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Re: Carly Fiorina: It’s ‘Vital’ That Trump Be Impeached
« Reply #74 on: December 19, 2019, 06:39:17 pm »
Don't overlook Paul Ryan, John Kasich, Mitt Romney, and plenty of "status quo" proponents.
Are former congressmen Paul Ryan and John Kasich in control of congress.  Nope.  Now that they are thankfully gone Pelosi runs it.  Enjoy.