Carly Fiorina: It’s ‘Vital’ That Trump Be Impeached

[Chosen Daughter]

I actually liked her as well, primarily because she was basically the only candidate who seemed to be focused heavily on how the administrative state is a lodestone around the neck of American prosperity.  She seemed to care much more about regulatory reform than any of the other candidates.

Trump has been a shockingly pleasant surprise in that regard since taking office.  He didn't talk much about it during the campaign, but that is the most underappreciated success of his Presidency.  It is a huge reason for the strong performance of the economy.

What shockingly pleasant thing has he done.  He keeps piling on the spending for our children and grandchildren.  He secures little for the "border barriers".  He's a fraud.  Says no socialism while he praises his daughters blatant socialism.

[skeeter]

I was a HP shareholder when she rammed through the disastrous buyout of Compaq. HP was losing money on PC's and her "solution" was to buy the only company losing even more money in the PC market. IIRC, during her reign HP's entire profitability came solely from one product - ink.

Dad was an HP lifer and absolutely despised Fiorina.

[skeeter]

What shockingly pleasant thing has he done.  He keeps piling on the spending for our children and grandchildren.  He secures little for the "border barriers".  He's a fraud.  Says no socialism while he praises his daughters blatant socialism.

I’m shocked to here this coming from you. What changed your mind?

[Maj. Bill Martin]

What shockingly pleasant thing has he done.

Massive regulatory reform.  It is unsexy, mostly out of the public consciousness, and consists of thousands of small actions and decisions rather than big headline-grabbers.  And it isn't just the rulemaking process itself, but also the enforcement decisions and guidance issued by the people staffing those departments.  It has been an enormous change from the Obama Administration.

It runs the gamut from rules issued by the Department of Labor on wages/overtime, to OSHA, to EPA, etc..  Lots of little things that add up to big things when they impact your particular business or industry.

Maybe the biggest thing he has accomplished in terms of regulatory reform is erecting giant roadblocks on the implementation of new regulations.  Here's just one blurb, from leftist Brookings Institute upset about his actions:

But where Trump has succeeded, deliberately or not, is in bringing the regulatory system to a near halt. Agencies continue to issue the sort of low-profile, everyday rules that keep the government operating, but big new rules have slowed to a trickle. This has cheered business leaders who were deeply critical of the Obama administration’s regulatory agenda. “The administration early on set an expectation that there wasn’t going to be a continued onslaught of regulations and the approach would be more deregulatory in nature,” said Neil Bradley, chief policy officer at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. “The combination of creating an expectation and creating responsibility has actually led them to follow through.”

But critics are alarmed at the slowdown, saying that rolling back important Obama-era protections and blocking new ones is already jeopardizing the health and safety of Americans. “If we do see [a major disaster] again, it will be quite tragic,” said Amit Narang, a regulatory expert at Public Citizen. “But it’ll be very easy and legitimate to point to the massive deregulatory agenda as the cause of that disaster. That’s the real danger that this administration is flirting with right now.”



https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2018/01/20/trumps-regulatory-experiment-year-one-000620

As I said, I liked Fiorina because she backed something about which only business people and lawyers generally cared about.  It's not sexy and most people don't/can't see the changes that are happening.  But it's a huge deal, and the Trump Administration has done a far better job than I thought they would.

[aligncare]

Massive regulatory reform.  It is unsexy, mostly out of the public consciousness, and consists of thousands of small actions and decisions rather than big headline-grabbers.  And it isn't just the rulemaking process itself, but also the enforcement decisions and guidance issued by the people staffing those departments.  It has been an enormous change from the Obama Administration.

It runs the gamut from rules issued by the Department of Labor on wages/overtime, to OSHA, to EPA, etc..  Lots of little things that add up to big things when they impact your particular business or industry.

Maybe the biggest thing he has accomplished in terms of regulatory reform is erected giant roadblocks on the implementation of new regulations.  Here's just one blurb, from leftist Brookings Institute upset about his actions:

But where Trump has succeeded, deliberately or not, is in bringing the regulatory system to a near halt. Agencies continue to issue the sort of low-profile, everyday rules that keep the government operating, but big new rules have slowed to a trickle. This has cheered business leaders who were deeply critical of the Obama administration’s regulatory agenda. “The administration early on set an expectation that there wasn’t going to be a continued onslaught of regulations and the approach would be more deregulatory in nature,” said Neil Bradley, chief policy officer at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. “The combination of creating an expectation and creating responsibility has actually led them to follow through.”

But critics are alarmed at the slowdown, saying that rolling back important Obama-era protections and blocking new ones is already jeopardizing the health and safety of Americans. “If we do see [a major disaster] again, it will be quite tragic,” said Amit Narang, a regulatory expert at Public Citizen. “But it’ll be very easy and legitimate to point to the massive deregulatory agenda as the cause of that disaster. That’s the real danger that this administration is flirting with right now.”



https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2018/01/20/trumps-regulatory-experiment-year-one-000620

As I said, I liked Fiorina because she backed something about which only business people and lawyers generally cared about.  It's not sexy and most people don't/can't see the changes that are happening.  But it's a huge deal, and the Trump Administration has done a far better job than I thought they would.

Sure, if all you cared about was smart economic policies and reducing soul crushing bureaucracy.

But, the tweets, man, the tweets! *

*Sarcasm tag omitted out of respect for your outstanding intellect and clear cut common sense.   

[PeteS in CA]

Oh, you are so right.  This is much better:

First things first: Donald Trump has filed for corporate bankruptcy four times, in 1991, 1992, 2004 and 2009. All of these bankruptcies were connected to over-leveraged casino and hotel properties in Atlantic City, all of which are now operated under the banner of Trump Entertainment Resorts.
Fourth Time's A Charm: How Donald Trump Made ... - Forbes
www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2011/04/29/fourth-times-a-charm-how-donald-trump-made …

Trump recovered from those corporate bankruptcies. Do you know what there is in the area bounded by Homestead Road, Tantau Avenue, I-280, and Wolfe Road, a very large area that used to be covered with HP buildings? Apple's massive "spaceship". HP is a thin shadow of its former self. It was not all Carly's fault - marketplace changes played a major role, and marketplace and government changes hurt the Trump corporations that declared bankruptcies - but her decisions made HP's decline worse. The disastrous Palm Computing acquisition happened well after Carly was forced out, but her acquisition of Compaq harmed HP and resulted in some 30,000 people being laid off.

Speaking of her having been forced to resign - in 2005 - other than serving on several corporate board, including her own foundation, Fiorina all but retired from business at that time, age 51. Nice for her personally, but I suspect the 10s of thousands she laid off while leading HP might feel differently about her 14-15 years of semi-retirement.

So, yeah, Trump's business record really is much better that Fiorina's - she ruined and retired, he rebuilt.

[PeteS in CA]

I actually liked her as well, primarily because she was basically the only candidate who seemed to be focused heavily on how the administrative state is a lodestone around the neck of American prosperity.  She seemed to care much more about regulatory reform than any of the other candidates.

Trump has been a shockingly pleasant surprise in that regard since taking office.  He didn't talk much about it during the campaign, but that is the most underappreciated success of his Presidency.  It is a huge reason for the strong performance of the economy.

Trump's businesses being so intertwined with state and local governments - I'm suggesting any illegality - was a significant concern for me. As it turned out, evidently he gained thereby an understanding of how government made things needlessly difficult for businesses to operate and grow. Not that voting for Hillary or Snoopy was something I ever considered.

[dfwgator]

@TomSea

I agree with you. Trump, as well as a large portion of his base, doesn't seem to mind that he tends to burn bridges when he scorches people with his harsh, insulting rhetoric. He and his base always defend his right to "punch back" yet throw a hissy when someone he's scorched chooses to scorch back.

Sow ---> reap.

Who cares if he burned the bridges with Carly, she's nothing.

[dfwgator]

Trump has a history of allegedly stiffing people and businesses who did work for him.  So I'm guessing it's not a matter of being unable to afford paying a debt, but rather, trying to avoid paying.

There's that word, "allegedly" again.

[dfwgator]

What shockingly pleasant thing has he done.  He keeps piling on the spending for our children and grandchildren.  He secures little for the "border barriers".  He's a fraud.  Says no socialism while he praises his daughters blatant socialism.

So you want Trump to become a dictator to get those things done?   Maybe if the Republicans actually had his back once in awhile on those endeavors, it might help, but they keep feeding at the same trough that the Rats are.

[TomSea]

Trump recovered from those corporate bankruptcies. Do you know what there is in the area bounded by Homestead Road, Tantau Avenue, I-280, and Wolfe Road, a very large area that used to be covered with HP buildings? Apple's massive "spaceship". HP is a thin shadow of its former self. It was not all Carly's fault - marketplace changes played a major role, and marketplace and government changes hurt the Trump corporations that declared bankruptcies - but her decisions made HP's decline worse. The disastrous Palm Computing acquisition happened well after Carly was forced out, but her acquisition of Compaq harmed HP and resulted in some 30,000 people being laid off.

Speaking of her having been forced to resign - in 2005 - other than serving on several corporate board, including her own foundation, Fiorina all but retired from business at that time, age 51. Nice for her personally, but I suspect the 10s of thousands she laid off while leading HP might feel differently about her 14-15 years of semi-retirement.

So, yeah, Trump's business record really is much better that Fiorina's - she ruined and retired, he rebuilt.

Just to be fair, she really did start out from the ground floor, was not part of a wealthy family where she could step into the family business, she really was originally a secretary and worked her way up... (or however the story goes, it is something like this). She probably did not have lots of 2nd and 3rd chances and I'm sure, she has a side of her story too.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Just to be fair, she really did start out from the ground floor, was not part of a wealthy family where she could step into the family business, she really was originally a secretary and worked her way up... (or however the story goes, it is something like this). She probably did not have lots of 2nd and 3rd chances and I'm sure, she has a side of her story too.

That's what I always thought as well.  Even if she didn't succeed as CEO, she still must have been very capable to rise as far as she did.  In any case, she certainly knew a hell of a lot more about business than most of the career politicians on those stages, and certainly more than Hillary or Bernie.

[Cyber Liberty]

That's what I always thought as well.  Even if she didn't succeed as CEO, she still must have been very capable to rise as far as she did.  In any case, she certainly knew a hell of a lot more about business than most of the career politicians on those stages, and certainly more than Hillary or Bernie.

Meanwhile, she's demonstrating for us that she has little to no political street smarts. 

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Meanwhile, she's demonstrating for us that she has little to no political street smarts.

Right.  She's like the guy late to the tackle who jumps on the pile after the whistle is blown.

Then realizes that she's actually piling on her own teammate.

[PeteS in CA]

Just to be fair, she really did start out from the ground floor, was not part of a wealthy family where she could step into the family business, she really was originally a secretary and worked her way up... (or however the story goes, it is something like this). She probably did not have lots of 2nd and 3rd chances and I'm sure, she has a side of her story too.

Actually, her family was fairly well off. Not millionaires, probably, but probably at least upper middle class. Her education background includes Stanford and MIT, not exactly inexpensive institutions.

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Fiorina's job prior to HP was heading up Lucent, a spin-off from AT&T. Her timing in taking the job at HP was especially good (I'm not suggesting it was more than simply good). The measures she took at Lucent that apparently made her attractive to HP went south not long after she left Lucent. Her Inverse Midas Touch was operating even before HP.

Her poor handling of HP was not the only reason Fiorina was a "Please, no!" for me. However I've worked with several former HP people, and they remember her as "fondly" as @Snarknado and as @skeeter's Dad. One was an HP long-termer whose retirement was heavily invested in HP stock. On top of being laid off her retirement got tanked, too, so she couldn't ... a 60-something lady with diabetic neuropathy so bad she could barely walk, working (when I met her) at a poorly managed marginally viable hole.

I'm not picking on Fiorina, just pointing out that her judgment is less than impressive to me and why. I would not vote for Jim Treybig or Scott McNealy for much of anything either, unless the alternative were an Obama or Hillary. Based on their business judgment.

[TomSea]

Carly imho, makes the wrong decision here... but, otherwise, she's sharp. I'd say the charges do not warrant impeachment. This is all a circus.

[skeeter]

Actually, her family was fairly well off. Not millionaires, probably, but probably at least upper middle class. Her education background includes Stanford and MIT, not exactly inexpensive institutions.

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Fiorina's job prior to HP was heading up Lucent, a spin-off from AT&T. Her timing in taking the job at HP was especially good (I'm not suggesting it was more than simply good). The measures she took at Lucent that apparently made her attractive to HP went south not long after she left Lucent. Her Inverse Midas Touch was operating even before HP.

Her poor handling of HP was not the only reason Fiorina was a "Please, no!" for me. However I've worked with several former HP people, and they remember her as "fondly" as @Snarknado and as @skeeter's Dad. One was an HP long-termer whose retirement was heavily invested in HP stock. On top of being laid off her retirement got tanked, too, so she couldn't ... a 60-something lady with diabetic neuropathy so bad she could barely walk, working (when I met her) at a poorly managed marginally viable hole.

I'm not picking on Fiorina, just pointing out that her judgment is less than impressive to me and why. I would not vote for Jim Treybig or Scott McNealy for much of anything either, unless the alternative were an Obama or Hillary. Based on their business judgment.

I worked for McNealy for a few years and heartily agree with your assessment. I’ll never forget the annual address he gave the company one year, via audiotape, where among other motivating gems  he told us ‘if you are a lifer then Sun probably isn’t the company for you’. He was an example of the kind of leader you get when your qualifications for CEO do not extend beyond sounding good to investors.

[PeteS in CA]

I worked for McNealy for a few years and heartily agree with your assessment. I’ll never forget the annual address he gave the company one year, via audiotape, where among other motivating gems  he told us ‘if you are a lifer then Sun probably isn’t the company for you’. He was an example of the kind of leader you get when your qualifications for CEO do not extend beyond sounding good to investors.

McNealy should have spent less time mocking "WIntel" and more time paying bleeping attention to the Windows-Intel growth in power that ate Sun's desktop "lunch". Sun's attempts to lower the price of Sun's desktop systems came waaaaayyyyyy too late, the Java Stations (or whatever the POSs were called) were crap, and the shift to servers came waaaaayyyyyy too late. But the Personality Cult of Scott was strong. I was at Sun during WJC's second term and was laid off courtesy of Sun's belated de-emphasis of desktop workstations.

I singled out Treybig and McNealy because both, in their hubris, ignored major shifts in the marketplace, leading to the demise of their companies. In Fiorina's case, she did the Compaq merger to lessen competition for HP's desktops and laptops, but at a time when Compaq's quality problems were dragging Compaq down and brought those quality problems and the consequences thereof into HP.

[skeeter]

McNealy should have spent less time mocking "WIntel" and more time paying bleeping attention to the Windows-Intel growth in power that ate Sun's desktop "lunch". Sun's attempts to lower the price of Sun's desktop systems came waaaaayyyyyy too late, the Java Stations (or whatever the POSs were called) were crap, and the shift to servers came waaaaayyyyyy too late. But the Personality Cult of Scott was strong. I was at Sun during WJC's second term and was laid off courtesy of Sun's belated de-emphasis of desktop workstations.

I singled out Treybig and McNealy because both, in their hubris, ignored major shifts in the marketplace, leading to the demise of their companies. In Fiorina's case, she did the Compaq merger to lessen competition for HP's desktops and laptops, but at a time when Compaq's quality problems were dragging Compaq down and brought those quality problems and the consequences thereof into HP.

Lol yeah “big bucks billy” had clearly gotten into Scott’s head. BTW I was there from 89 through 95.

[Cyber Liberty]

McNealy should have spent less time mocking "WIntel" and more time paying bleeping attention to the Windows-Intel growth in power that ate Sun's desktop "lunch". Sun's attempts to lower the price of Sun's desktop systems came waaaaayyyyyy too late, the Java Stations (or whatever the POSs were called) were crap, and the shift to servers came waaaaayyyyyy too late. But the Personality Cult of Scott was strong. I was at Sun during WJC's second term and was laid off courtesy of Sun's belated de-emphasis of desktop workstations.

I singled out Treybig and McNealy because both, in their hubris, ignored major shifts in the marketplace, leading to the demise of their companies. In Fiorina's case, she did the Compaq merger to lessen competition for HP's desktops and laptops, but at a time when Compaq's quality problems were dragging Compaq down and brought those quality problems and the consequences thereof into HP.

I was more personally affected by the spinoff of test instrumentation company Agilent.

[PeteS in CA]

I was more personally affected by the spinoff of test instrumentation company Agilent.

I'm not sure Fiorina was involved in the decision-making process on that spin-off, though I think she was in the actual spinning off. Test instruments were pretty much HP's original product line. I believe Agilent spun off instruments several years ago, forming Keysite.

[Cyber Liberty]

I'm not sure Fiorina was involved in the decision-making process on that spin-off, though I think she was in the actual spinning off. Test instruments were pretty much HP's original product line. I believe Agilent spun off instruments several years ago, forming Keysite.

That is correct, Agilent is now Keysight.  I worked in Semiconductor manufacturing for a couple decades, and HP/Agilent/Keysight were the backbone of my test equipment.  The Agilent spinoff from HP was a decision made before Fiorina.

[Smokin Joe]

Remember when folkz in this forum were pushin' her for president...?

No, I missed that.

[Chosen Daughter]

Massive regulatory reform.  It is unsexy, mostly out of the public consciousness, and consists of thousands of small actions and decisions rather than big headline-grabbers.  And it isn't just the rulemaking process itself, but also the enforcement decisions and guidance issued by the people staffing those departments.  It has been an enormous change from the Obama Administration.

It runs the gamut from rules issued by the Department of Labor on wages/overtime, to OSHA, to EPA, etc..  Lots of little things that add up to big things when they impact your particular business or industry.

Maybe the biggest thing he has accomplished in terms of regulatory reform is erecting giant roadblocks on the implementation of new regulations.  Here's just one blurb, from leftist Brookings Institute upset about his actions:

But where Trump has succeeded, deliberately or not, is in bringing the regulatory system to a near halt. Agencies continue to issue the sort of low-profile, everyday rules that keep the government operating, but big new rules have slowed to a trickle. This has cheered business leaders who were deeply critical of the Obama administration’s regulatory agenda. “The administration early on set an expectation that there wasn’t going to be a continued onslaught of regulations and the approach would be more deregulatory in nature,” said Neil Bradley, chief policy officer at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. “The combination of creating an expectation and creating responsibility has actually led them to follow through.”

But critics are alarmed at the slowdown, saying that rolling back important Obama-era protections and blocking new ones is already jeopardizing the health and safety of Americans. “If we do see [a major disaster] again, it will be quite tragic,” said Amit Narang, a regulatory expert at Public Citizen. “But it’ll be very easy and legitimate to point to the massive deregulatory agenda as the cause of that disaster. That’s the real danger that this administration is flirting with right now.”



https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2018/01/20/trumps-regulatory-experiment-year-one-000620

As I said, I liked Fiorina because she backed something about which only business people and lawyers generally cared about.  It's not sexy and most people don't/can't see the changes that are happening.  But it's a huge deal, and the Trump Administration has done a far better job than I thought they would.

The new budget bill ups EPA to 9 billion while it gives a very small 1.3 billion to border security and border "barriers".  Its a huge spending spree giving Democrats the best Christmas ever if the President signs it.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Massive regulatory reform.  It is unsexy, mostly out of the public consciousness, and consists of thousands of small actions and decisions rather than big headline-grabbers. 

It's also not quantifiable...like President Trump fixed the economy, which is marginally better than the one he inherited.