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Re: Rand Paul Wants Whistleblower Outed. Libertarians Want the Old Rand Paul Back
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2019, 08:53:08 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on November 06, 2019, 07:55:15 pm
The MSM is afraid to utter the name.

"He who must not be named" ............. the Leakblower is Voldemort? And Dems and their MSM shills support Voldemort? ****drummer  :bolt:
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Re: Rand Paul Wants Whistleblower Outed. Libertarians Want the Old Rand Paul Back
« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2019, 08:53:09 pm »
Quote from: OfTheCross on November 06, 2019, 08:47:16 pm
Well, what was he wrong about and what was he right about?

It's no on me to correct your lack of paying attention to all of this.  The transcript directly contradicts what the leaker Eric Ciaramella told Schiff and company behind closed doors.

Noe of these alleged insiders have heard the phone call directly. 

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Re: Rand Paul Wants Whistleblower Outed. Libertarians Want the Old Rand Paul Back
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2019, 08:54:22 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on November 06, 2019, 08:53:08 pm
"He who must not be named" ............. the Leakblower is Voldemort? And Dems and their MSM shills support Voldemort? ****drummer  :bolt:

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Re: Rand Paul Wants Whistleblower Outed. Libertarians Want the Old Rand Paul Back
« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2019, 08:56:21 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on November 06, 2019, 08:52:10 pm
Sorry.  You have exceeded the maximum number of attempts to explain it to you.


Judging by the old saying, "What you don't know can't hurt you," he's practically invulnerable.
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Re: Rand Paul Wants Whistleblower Outed. Libertarians Want the Old Rand Paul Back
« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2019, 08:57:45 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on November 06, 2019, 08:53:08 pm
"He who must not be named" ............. the Leakblower is Voldemort? And Dems and their MSM shills support Voldemort? ****drummer  :bolt:

Well, they certainly support clamming up about a CIA mole in the White House.   That's insidious.   
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Re: Rand Paul Wants Whistleblower Outed. Libertarians Want the Old Rand Paul Back
« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2019, 09:03:46 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on November 06, 2019, 08:52:10 pm
Sorry.  You have exceeded the maximum number of attempts to explain it to you.

You don't have to explain it to me. Just link me the source or article and I'll take it from there
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Re: Rand Paul Wants Whistleblower Outed. Libertarians Want the Old Rand Paul Back
« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2019, 09:13:58 pm »
Quote from: OfTheCross on November 06, 2019, 09:03:46 pm
You don't have to explain it to me. Just link me the source or article and I'll take it from there

Sorry.  You have also exceeded the maximum number of attempts to post links to you.

Give up.  You can only demand links and feign misunderstanding so many times before people stop wasting their time. 
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Re: Rand Paul Wants Whistleblower Outed. Libertarians Want the Old Rand Paul Back
« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2019, 09:15:54 pm »
Quote from: OfTheCross on November 06, 2019, 08:26:46 pm
It doesn't matter who the guy was.

They're investigating the complaint and it's been pretty damn accurate, no?

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019/09/politics/whistleblower-complaint-annotated/

It is impossible to gauge the accuracy when there has been zero evidence presented to support it.  None.  Zip.  Nada.
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Re: Rand Paul Wants Whistleblower Outed. Libertarians Want the Old Rand Paul Back
« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2019, 09:16:15 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on November 06, 2019, 09:13:58 pm
Sorry.  You have also exceeded the maximum number of attempts to post links to you.

Give up.  You can only demand links and feign misunderstanding so many times before people stop wasting their time.

I don't think you ever have, but ok. Carry on
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Re: Rand Paul Wants Whistleblower Outed. Libertarians Want the Old Rand Paul Back
« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2019, 09:18:13 pm »
Quote from: OfTheCross on November 06, 2019, 09:16:15 pm
I don't think you ever have, but ok. Carry on

So what?  You do realize I have to give a crap about what other Members have to put up with, right?  It's right there in my job description.  *****rollingeyes*****
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Re: Rand Paul Wants Whistleblower Outed. Libertarians Want the Old Rand Paul Back
« Reply #35 on: November 06, 2019, 09:19:03 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on November 06, 2019, 09:15:54 pm
It is impossible to gauge the accuracy when there has been zero evidence presented to support it.  None.  Zip.  Nada.

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Re: Rand Paul Wants Whistleblower Outed. Libertarians Want the Old Rand Paul Back
« Reply #36 on: November 06, 2019, 09:19:08 pm »
Quote from: OfTheCross on November 06, 2019, 09:03:46 pm
You don't have to explain it to me. Just link me the source or article and I'll take it from there

Tell you what, please link to someone who has actually testified and was on the July 25 call.
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« Reply #37 on: November 06, 2019, 09:20:33 pm »
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« Reply #38 on: November 06, 2019, 09:22:14 pm »
Quote from: Free Vulcan on November 06, 2019, 09:19:08 pm
Tell you what, please link to someone who has actually testified and was on the July 25 call.

 believe LTC. Vindman was on the call...

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2019-10-29/read-alexander-vindmans-opening-statement-on-trump-and-ukraine
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« Reply #39 on: November 06, 2019, 09:24:54 pm »
Quote from: OfTheCross on November 06, 2019, 09:20:33 pm
was the whistleblower complaint accurate:

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019/10/politics/whistleblower-complaint-corroboration/

https://apnews.com/2305510b6e23498c9298ed597ddccbac

Again, it is impossible to gauge the accuracy when there has been zero evidence presented to support it.  None.  Zip.  Nada.

Here, let me make it easy for you.  Look at claim #1:

I have received information from multiple U.S. Government officials that the President of the United States is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election.

Can you provide any evidence at all that proves Trump used the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 election?  And don't just post links either.  Show me the exact passage from your links that show this to be true.
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« Reply #40 on: November 06, 2019, 09:28:12 pm »
Perfect example of why all this whistle blower and leaked testimony can't be trusted.

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Zeldin: "Your source is The New York Times?"
Taylor: "Yes."
Zeldin: "Do you have any other source?"
Taylor: "I have not talked to the president. I have no other information..."

That's one of the star witnesses for Adam Schiff (Taylor) admitting he had no first hand knowledge of what was said and relied on the NY Times for his statements.

This is why the transcript of the phone call is so important.
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Re: Rand Paul Wants Whistleblower Outed. Libertarians Want the Old Rand Paul Back
« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2019, 09:39:45 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on November 06, 2019, 09:24:54 pm
Again, it is impossible to gauge the accuracy when there has been zero evidence presented to support it.  None.  Zip.  Nada.

Here, let me make it easy for you.  Look at claim #1:

I have received information from multiple U.S. Government officials that the President of the United States is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election.

Can you provide any evidence at all that proves Trump used the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 election?  And don't just post links either.  Show me the exact passage from your links that show this to be true.

Okay...

I would qualify the POTUS using congressionally approved aid as a bargaining tool in order to get a foreign government to make a public declaration against and/or open an investigation into a prominent political opponent ahead of the upcoming election as interference.

That's certainly what appears to have happened.
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« Reply #42 on: November 06, 2019, 10:09:02 pm »
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« Reply #43 on: November 06, 2019, 10:12:56 pm »
Quote from: OfTheCross on November 06, 2019, 09:39:45 pm
Okay...

I would qualify the POTUS using congressionally approved aid as a bargaining tool in order to get a foreign government to make a public declaration against and/or open an investigation into a prominent political opponent ahead of the upcoming election as interference.

I am not asking you what hypothetical action qualifies.  I am asking you to provide evidence as to what actually did happen.


Quote from: OfTheCross on November 06, 2019, 09:39:45 pm
That's certainly what appears to have happened.

What APPEARS to have happened?  Based on what, exactly?  Again, what evidence do you have?
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« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2019, 10:17:19 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on November 06, 2019, 10:12:56 pm
I am not asking you what hypothetical action qualifies.  I am asking you to provide evidence as to what actually did happen.


What APPEARS to have happened?  Based on what, exactly?  Again, what evidence do you have?

Based on the testimonies, text messages, Donald Trump and the Acting Press Secretary.

If you need more evidence than that we'll just have to wait and see.
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« Reply #45 on: November 06, 2019, 10:27:17 pm »
Quote from: OfTheCross on November 06, 2019, 10:17:19 pm
Based on the testimonies, text messages, Donald Trump and the Acting Press Secretary.

Again, show me a single piece of evidence that supports this testimony.  Something.  Anything.


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If you need more evidence than that we'll just have to wait and see.

See, this is the difference between you and me.  I demand proof.  You do not.  With me, truth matters.  With you, truth holds no meaning.

Case in point, you continue to make the same claim with zero evidence to back it up.  When challenged, there remain three options available to you:

  • Produce the evidence
  • Admit there is no evidence
  • Ignore it, and have everyone know that your claim has no basis in truth

To someone like myself, option 3 is least desirable.  Because as one who values truth, I do not wish for anyone to view me as a liar.  You however, seem quite comfortable in that role.
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« Reply #46 on: November 06, 2019, 10:38:19 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on November 06, 2019, 10:27:17 pm
Again, show me a single piece of evidence that supports this testimony.  Something.  Anything.


See, this is the difference between you and me.  I demand proof.  You do not.  With me, truth matters.  With you, truth holds no meaning.

Case in point, you continue to make the same claim with zero evidence to back it up.  When challenged, there remain three options available to you:

  • Produce the evidence
  • Admit there is no evidence
  • Ignore it, and have everyone know that your claim has no basis in truth

To someone like myself, option 3 is least desirable.  Because as one who values truth, I do not wish for anyone to view me as a liar.  You however, seem quite comfortable in that role.

What would be sufficient proof to you? The White House is not allowing those closest to the situation to testify.
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« Reply #47 on: November 06, 2019, 10:42:02 pm »
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« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2019, 10:48:02 pm »
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« Reply #49 on: November 06, 2019, 10:49:12 pm »
Quote from: OfTheCross on November 06, 2019, 10:38:19 pm
What would be sufficient proof to you?

Anything that would show that the President of the United States used the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election.


Quote from: OfTheCross on November 06, 2019, 10:38:19 pm
The White House is not allowing those closest to the situation to testify.

That's really beautiful and all.  But it does not in any way whatsoever prove or even remotely suggest that the President of the United States used the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election.
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