The Republican Party must choose between Donald Trump and the party's fundamental values

[TomSea]

Only someone in Trump's cult would say that.

Any one else would know that even if Trump is impeached and removed(long shot), Republicans will still be in control of the WH and Senate. And it guarantees nothing to the Democrats in the election.

So what are the Dems trying to gain? Certainly not the White House...

Actually, a lot of people have said this, especially over the past week.

Fine, if one just wants to use the excuse that people are in Trump's cult. That too, has been an overused term.

Gorka said it. He worked for Trump, so if he is in that cult, ok. It must currently, be a talking point.  It does have a ring of truth to it to me.

And would put some of us in good company.

[skeeter]

Stop calling other TBR members "cultists." 
Now.

Thanks for the reminder, Mr Mod.

I apologize for calling you a "liar" @OfTheCross.

But I will continue to call falsehoods by their name.

[OfTheCross]

Thanks for the reminder, Mr Mod.

I apologize for calling you a "liar" @OfTheCross.

But I will continue to call falsehoods by their name.

 

That's why I like this place.

[Cyber Liberty]

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It was birthed in 1854 by northern abolitionists/progressives opposed to the extension of slavery
by the Kansas-Nebraska Act. You pick its geographic location.

Wisconsin.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/01/20/the-campaign-to-impeach-president-trump-has-begun/ 

READ IT:

The campaign to impeach President Trump has begun
Washington Post, Jan 20, 2017, Matea Gold

The effort to impeach President Donald John Trump is already underway.

At the moment the new commander in chief was sworn in, a campaign to build public support for his impeachment went live at ImpeachDonaldTrumpNow.org, spearheaded by two liberal advocacy groups aiming to lay the groundwork for his eventual ejection from the White House.

The organizers behind the campaign, Free Speech for People and RootsAction, are hinging their case on Trump’s insistence on maintaining ownership of his luxury hotel and golf course business while in office. Ethics experts have warned that his financial holdings could potentially lead to constitutional violations and undermine public faith in his decision-making.

Their effort is early, strategists admit. But they insist it is not premature — even if it triggers an angry backlash from those who will argue that they are not giving the new president a chance.

“If we were to wait for all the ill effects that could come from this, too much damage to our democracy would occur,” said Ron Fein, legal director at Free Speech for People. “It will undermine faith in basic institutions. If nothing else, it’s important for Americans to trust that the president is doing what he thinks is the right thing … not that it would help jump-start a stalled casino project in another country.”

The impeachment drive comes as Democrats and liberal activists are mounting broad opposition to stymie Trump's agenda. Among the groups organizing challenges to the Trump administration is the American Civil Liberties Union, which plans to wield public-records requests and lawsuits as part of an aggressive action plan aimed at protecting immigrants and pushing for government transparency, among other issues.

“We think that President Trump will be in violation of the Constitution and federal statutes on day one, and we plan a vigorous offense to ensure the worst of the constitutional violations do not occur,” said Anthony D. Romero, the ACLU’s executive director.

“We may have a new president, but we have the same old system of checks and balances,” he added.

Strategists behind the campaign for impeachment said they are confident that other groups will soon join their cause. They argue that Trump will immediately be in violation of the U.S. Constitution’s Foreign Emoluments Clause, which prohibits a president from accepting a gift or benefit from a foreign leader or government. 

[PeteS in CA]

The GOP was not founded in New England.

Not even close to New England.

[PeteS in CA]

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It was birthed in 1854 by northern abolitionists/progressives opposed to the extension of slavery
by the Kansas-Nebraska Act. You pick its geographic location.

Its first meeting was in Wisconsin, and its first convention was in Michigan. John C. Fremont, its first Presidential candidate was born in Virginia to a slave-owning (by inheritance) mother. Virginia may be closer to Michigan, maybe, but .

[truth_seeker]

Wisconsin.

Abolition had been growing for awhile. Here is an historic relative of mine,, that was murdered in 1837, in Alton Illinois. (originally from Maine.

Elijah Parrish Lovejoy, b. 1802 d. 1837

Preacher, newspaper publisher.

And also the Mormons were abolitionist, from the start. Their founder Joseph Smith planned to run for President, on such a platform.

Britain had curtailed slave trading in 1837 I think.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elijah_Parish_Lovejoy

Point being, there were alolitionists before there wre Republicans.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elijah_Parish_Lovejoy

[Cyber Liberty]

Its first meeting was in Wisconsin, and its first convention was in Michigan. John C. Fremont, its first Presidential candidate was born in Virginia to a slave-owning (by inheritance) mother. Virginia may be closer to Michigan, maybe, but .

I used to live a short block away from the convention site, in Jackson MI.

[aligncare]

READ IT:

They said exactly what they intended to do, impeachment—before he even put the welcome mat out at the White House.

The only sin Donald Trump committed was winning the election. He was my choice for president, and sore loser democrats (CIA, FBI, NSA, DNC, MSM) are trying to take that choice from me. If they can do this, democrats should never be entrusted with power again.

[truth_seeker]

On behalf of his supporters. Emoluments was very obviously going to be an issue for him.

No more than with WEALTHY Washington, WEALTHY Jefferson, WEALTHY Roosevelt (x 2)

etc.

Trump is following the traditional pattern; make money THEN serve in higher office.

It is the modern democrats, that reverse it. SERVE, in order to become WEALTHY, Clinton, Obama, etc.

[libertybele]

Like I said in the other thread, anyone with sense could forsee that he might have an emoluments issue.

As a matter of fact, the article to which you're referring specifically references that.

"The effort to impeach President Donald John Trump is already underway.

At the moment the new commander in chief was sworn in, a campaign to build public support for his impeachment went live at ImpeachDonaldTrumpNow.org, spearheaded by two liberal advocacy groups aiming to lay the groundwork for his eventual ejection from the White House.

The organizers behind the campaign, Free Speech for People and RootsAction, are hinging their case on Trump’s insistence on maintaining ownership of his luxury hotel and golf course business while in office.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/01/20/the-campaign-to-impeach-president-trump-has-begun/"

And, if you respect the Constitution, you should've been in favor of investigating the possibility of a conflict of interest with Trump, his properties, and foreign governments.

...hmm... if I recall President Trump signed full disclosure documents and handed his businesses over to his sons in order to avoid conflict of interest both domestically and abroad. 

P.S.  Read the transcripts.   

Since you're tossing out the possibility of a conflict of interest, you just might want to do a little research as to the relationship that the Bammy administration had with the Ukraine.  Gee, I don't know, somehow billion of dollars disappeared and the State Dept. told the Ukraine they needed to investigate; however, the State Dept. set up the rules of the investigation --- that just might be some sort of conflict of interest.  ...hmmm.... Clinton Foundation .... Ukraine contributions ...


https://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-and-ukraine-11569881729

https://psmag.com/news/whats-going-on-with-the-clinton-foundation

https://prn.fm/clinton-foundations-deep-financial-ties-to-ukrainian-oligarch-revealed/

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/clinton-foundation-donations/

[sneakypete]

Like I said in the other thread, anyone with sense could forsee that he might have an emoluments issue.

@OfTheCross

BTW,MAN THE HELL UP and admit the base of your hatred towards him is he has sex with women he's not married to. Quit hiding behind excuses. OWN YOUR BIGOTRY.

[OfTheCross]

...hmm... if I recall President Trump signed full disclosure documents and handed his businesses over to his sons in order to avoid conflict of interest both domestically and abroad. 

P.S.  Read the transcripts.   

Since you're tossing out the possibility of a conflict of interest, you just might want to do a little research as to the relationship that the Bammy administration had with the Ukraine.  Gee, I don't know, somehow billion of dollars disappeared and the State Dept. told the Ukraine they needed to investigate; however, the State Dept. set up the rules of the investigation --- that just might be some sort of conflict of interest.  ...hmmm.... Clinton Foundation .... Ukraine contributions ...


https://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-and-ukraine-11569881729

https://psmag.com/news/whats-going-on-with-the-clinton-foundation

https://prn.fm/clinton-foundations-deep-financial-ties-to-ukrainian-oligarch-revealed/

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/clinton-foundation-donations/

Investigate it all. No one should get a pass because of a D or R next to their name

[sneakypete]

Wisconsin.

@Cyber Liberty

Have you lost your mind? Wisconsin is cold! I say sell it to the Canadians,and then run and hide or spend the money before they figure out what they did.

Why not some place with better weather?

I say "Georgia". Run all the damn yankees out,and it would be a fine place.

[sneakypete]

Abolition had been growing for awhile. Here is an historic relative of mine,, that was murdered in 1837, in Alton Illinois. (originally from Maine. Elijah Parrish Lovejoy, b. 1802 d. 1837

@truth_seeker

"Elijah Lovejoy"?????

Are you SURE he wasn't a porn star?

 

[libertybele]

Investigate it all. No one should get a pass because of a D or R next to their name

You are absolutely correct that NO one should get a pass because they are a DEM or a REP.  Somehow though, we wound up with a bogus witch hunt into Russian collusion that turned up all kinds of evidence of Clinton/Bammy foul play but nothing was done.  Now somehow, we have another investigation into Trump and the Ukraine.  Funny how the investigation seems to be surrounding ONLY this administration and not the prior where there's been questionable activity.  Why do you think that is?

[skeeter]

Investigate it all. No one should get a pass because of a D or R next to their name

Certainly. Right up until the time the rats have more to lose the the GOP. Then all the investigations go bye bye.

We've seen that movie before.

[xyno]

Wisconsin.

Birthplace of the Republican Party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripon,_Wisconsin#Birthplace_of_the_Republican_Party