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Who needs heaven when you can evolve into a laser beam..?


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If you were able to become a digitized immortal would you be willing, able, or unable to kill yourself or any other sentient "being"?

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GOOGLE AI

http://ai.googleblog.com/2019/10/quantum-supremacy-using-programmable.html

Quantum Supremacy Using a Programmable Superconducting Processor

Wednesday, October 23, 2019

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Posted by John Martinis, Chief Scientist Quantum Hardware and Sergio Boixo, Chief Scientist Quantum Computing Theory, Google AI Quantum Physicists have been talking about the power of quantum computing for over 30 years, but the questions have always been: will it ever do something useful and is it worth investing in? For such large-scale endeavors it is good engineering practice to formulate decisive short-term goals that demonstrate whether the designs are going in the right direction. So, we devised an experiment as an important milestone to help answer these questions. This experiment, referred to as a quantum supremacy experiment, provided direction for our team to overcome the many technical challenges inherent in quantum systems engineering to make a computer that is both programmable and powerful. To test the total system performance we selected a sensitive computational benchmark that fails if just a single component of the computer is not good enough. Today we published the results of this quantum supremacy experiment in the Nature article, “Quantum Supremacy Using a Programmable Superconducting Processor”. We developed a new 54-qubit processor, named “Sycamore”, that is comprised of fast, high-fidelity quantum logic gates, in order to perform the benchmark testing. Our machine performed the target computation in 200 seconds, and from measurements in our experiment we determined that it would take the world’s fastest supercomputer 10,000 years to produce a similar output.

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Reinvent the wheel. Wheel there is still "time".
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Skip the New Terminator, and Watch This Unnerving Robo-Apocalypse Instead

This is how the robots will take over.
imageBy Courtney Linder   
Oct 28, 2019

    A Los Angeles-based production studio has filmed a terrifying video that features killer robots acting in place of soldiers.
    The YouTube clip has already amassed over two million views in just two days.
    Don't freak out: this video is a parody. We repeat, parody. No need to stock up on canned goods and hide in your basement (yet).

There are some legitimate arguments that robotic technology and the military are, uh, absolutely horrifying. Some students and faculty at Carnegie Mellon University feel uneasy about the new Army AI research base on campus and Google employees protested working on an AI project for the U.S. Pentagon.

Then again, who doesn't love a good killer robot flick?

Terminator: Dark Fate is out in theaters this weekend, but this video might be even scarier due to some unnerving realism. Corridor Digital, an L.A. production studio that specializes in visual effects, has filmed a wet-your-pants level parody video that depicts a future full of robotic soldiers, eliminating the need for human intervention.

Are We There, Yet?


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FWIW, I heard this new terminator movie realy sucks.
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Face recognition and the ethics of AI

September 09, 2019 in Artificial Intelligence

https://www.ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2019/9/6/face-recognition

    We worry about face recognition just as we worried about databases - we worry what happens if they contain bad data and we worry what bad people might do with them

    It’s easy to point at China, but there are large grey areas where we don't yet have a clear consensus of what ‘bad’ would actually mean, and how far we worry because this is different rather than just because it’s just new and unfamiliar

    Like much of machine learning, face recognition is quickly becoming a commodity tech that many people can and will use to build all sorts of things. ‘AI Ethics’ boards can go a certain way but can’t be a complete solution, and regulation (which will take many forms) will go further.  But Chinese companies have their own ethics boards and are already exporting their products.
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Want $125k? Just Donate Your Face to Some Humanoid Robots

https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/robots/a29514131/humanoid-robot-face/

    Additive manufacturing company Geomiq is asking for volunteers to send in photos of their face to be considered for a new line of humanoid robots.
    If selected, the person signing over the rights to their likeness will receive over $125,000 in compensation.
    The client is mysterious, but Geomiq says the company is working on robots for elderly care, and those prototypes will be produced next year.

Need a pile of cash, fast? Have a face? Then step right up to waive the copyrights to it. In exchange, you'll receive about $125,000. And best of all, one day you'll see your mug on an army of humanoid robots.

Geomiq, an additive manufacturing and machining startup based in London, is looking for a person to fork over their face for a new line of human-looking robots. Full stop.
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Wave after wave of military expenditures for dinosaur tech.

Article after article.

Why not? Anyone career military is brainwashed into dinosaur thinking. Anyone who thinks "boots on the ground" is the answer...

uh huh

War amongst human beings is as psychotic as you can get.

War Pigs

There are two different wars.

Figure it out.
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Now.

Here is a question for you.

You get the tech. You are trans humanised. You are bionic.

Better, stonger, faster.

And then THEY send you an "update".

Don't ask me, ask the admins. @Cyber Liberty  @mystery-ak @Sanguine.

Updates are dangerous wild animals.

The question I asked above.

If your update fails or causes some kind of crash...will you still be "sentient"?

Think about it.

Or shoot first and don't even question it.

Because I am asking the question now.






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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2019, 07:30:21 pm »
Explainer: Is the US losing the artificial intelligence arms race?

By: James Johnson, Middlebury Institute of International Studies

The Dogs Of War

The U.S. government, long a proponent of advancing technology for military purposes, sees artificial intelligence as key to the next generation of fighting tools.

Several recent investments and Pentagon initiatives show that military leaders are concerned about keeping up with – and ahead of – China and Russia, two countries that have made big gains in developing artificial-intelligence systems. AI-powered weapons include target recognition systems, weapons guided by AI, and cyberattack and cyberdefense software that runs without human intervention.
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2019, 07:30:57 pm »
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Now.

Here is a question for you.

You get the tech. You are trans humanised. You are bionic.

Better, stonger, faster.

And then THEY send you an "update".

Don't ask me, ask the admins. @Cyber Liberty  @mystery-ak @Sanguine.

Updates are dangerous wild animals.

That would be a huge concern, @bigheadfred.  I don't think I would cotton to the notion that my OS could be updated without my knowledge or permission, like Microsoft does with Windows, and for that very reason.  I don't want to be "killed" and have some coder in Redmond saying "Ooops!  Oh, well."

Or have my personality altered.
« Last Edit: October 30, 2019, 07:32:01 pm by Cyber Liberty »
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2019, 07:46:08 pm »
That would be a huge concern, @bigheadfred.  I don't think I would cotton to the notion that my OS could be updated without my knowledge or permission, like Microsoft does with Windows, and for that very reason.  I don't want to be "killed" and have some coder in Redmond saying "Ooops!  Oh, well."

Or have my personality altered.

After all the articles that social media is harmful, what could possibly go wrong here?

I am planning on posting some information on the use of psychedelics for their therapeutic value, and not as an argument for their legalization, vs. manmade psycho...add various adjectives. virtual reality, etc.

As a hint, the U.S. Go and well-educated individuals were doing a ton of research into the subject until the 60's counter-culture hit and then there was a complete stop. No research. At least on the public front. Plants, chemicals, and their properties deemed Schedule 1 by the fed/gov.

You can't have the people given the ability to choose their reality. Not now.

I happen to think there is going to be a schism between people who tech and people who go back to nature. People from every statum of society.

@OfTheCross
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2019, 07:50:42 pm »
Schism

"I know the pieces fit 'cause I watched them fall away
Mildewed and smoldering, fundamental differing
Pure intention juxtaposed will set two lover's souls in motion
Disintegrating as it goes testing our communication…
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2019, 11:56:04 am »
After all the articles that social media is harmful, what could possibly go wrong here?

I am planning on posting some information on the use of psychedelics for their therapeutic value, and not as an argument for their legalization, vs. manmade psycho...add various adjectives. virtual reality, etc.

As a hint, the U.S. Go and well-educated individuals were doing a ton of research into the subject until the 60's counter-culture hit and then there was a complete stop. No research. At least on the public front. Plants, chemicals, and their properties deemed Schedule 1 by the fed/gov.

You can't have the people given the ability to choose their reality. Not now.

I happen to think there is going to be a schism between people who tech and people who go back to nature. People from every statum of society.

@OfTheCross

I think we already see that.  @roamer_1

Fred, see what you think of this one:  https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-50211901


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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2019, 12:04:00 pm »
I think we already see that.  @roamer_1

Huh @Sanguine ??

I am a computer tech. I probably know more about tech than 90% of y'all...
That I also am a hillbilly, and prefer to return to a country life means I am also a Luddite according to many. In fact, many tumpsters suggest that I am ignorant because of my location on the planet, and my lifestyle... That I am somehow disconnected...

So I am on both sides of this particular issue. In what way am I exampled?


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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2019, 12:12:45 pm »
Huh @Sanguine ??

I am a computer tech. I probably know more about tech than 90% of y'all...
That I also am a hillbilly, and prefer to return to a country life means I am also a Luddite according to many. In fact, many tumpsters suggest that I am ignorant because of my location on the planet, and my lifestyle... That I am somehow disconnected...

So I am on both sides of this particular issue. In what way am I exampled?

I just thought you were a good example of both.

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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2019, 06:56:56 pm »
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So I am on both sides of this particular issue. In what way am I exampled?

You've described your own paradox. Unless you can't see it. @roamer_1

I'll look at the link later, @Sanguine I am too tired right now. Straight ten hours on a jobsite with no breaks and no lunch.
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2019, 06:58:20 pm »
I couldn’t kill either.

And I would like a pair of ducks
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2019, 07:10:10 pm »
I couldn’t kill either.

And I would like a pair of ducks

Real ones?

Cause if it walks like a duck...
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2019, 07:59:20 pm »
You've described your own paradox. Unless you can't see it. @roamer_1


But it isn't a paradox @bigheadfred ... I would prefer to go the Luddite route, but realize how big gov can use tech to fence me in... So I keep my fingers in it, skittering across the belly of the beast, so that I know how to subvert it. I figure to need that sort of thing before too long.

See? Makes sense to me.

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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2019, 05:50:50 am »
But it isn't a paradox @bigheadfred ... I would prefer to go the Luddite route, but realize how big gov can use tech to fence me in... So I keep my fingers in it, skittering across the belly of the beast, so that I know how to subvert it. I figure to need that sort of thing before too long.

See? Makes sense to me.

Right.

I get the rationale.

I am saying you are serving two masters.

PM  if you want the details (why I think that)
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2019, 09:37:08 pm »
Right.

I get the rationale.

I am saying you are serving two masters.

PM  if you want the details (why I think that)

Well @bigheadfred ... I PM'd you a while back and never heard back from you... What gives?
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2019, 10:24:57 pm »
Freddy really hates roombas huh?

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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2019, 09:23:56 pm »
@Gefn

5G isn't staring back at a 45 caliber barrel. It is a 45 blowing your head off.

I m definitely serious about this. The frequency range and the permeation.

"Climate change" will be the most "real" change. And I am Talking about the whether. Not the the weather.

Two different threads. One recent that there is a place that wifi is prohibited. I think that was posted by @Applewood. The irradtion from human polluted Electomagntetic radiation made those intruments useless.

There was another thread posted that the Chinese shield pregnant women from wifi. The Chinese? Protecting women from high (frequency) short microwave exposure? 5g is a weapon.

I posted the relevant info on robot 1.

Interestinly enough.

Most of the "new" AI  info isn't the same when I started robot 1.

This tells me four things>

1. They don't understand it

2. They can't contriol it.

3 They don't care.

4. You will buy it.
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2019, 09:28:28 pm »
And...

Epstein didn't kill himself.
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2019, 06:53:05 am »
@Gefn

5G isn't staring back at a 45 caliber barrel. It is a 45 blowing your head off.

I m definitely serious about this. The frequency range and the permeation.

"Climate change" will be the most "real" change. And I am Talking about the whether. Not the the weather.

Two different threads. One recent that there is a place that wifi is prohibited. I think that was posted by @Applewood. The irradtion from human polluted Electomagntetic radiation made those intruments useless.

There was another thread posted that the Chinese shield pregnant women from wifi. The Chinese? Protecting women from high (frequency) short microwave exposure? 5g is a weapon.

I posted the relevant info on robot 1.

Interestinly enough.

Most of the "new" AI  info isn't the same when I started robot 1.

This tells me four things>

1. They don't understand it

2. They can't contriol it.

3 They don't care.

4. You will buy it.

@bigheadfred I’ve read enough on 5G to know my next phone will be 4G. I don’t want to upgrade that high. Thanks buddy.
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2019, 12:25:21 pm »
I saw this in the paper this morning, and thought of this thread (click to embiggen):



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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2019, 12:30:50 pm »
Janet from the”Good Place” got smarter each time she “died” or got rebooted.
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2019, 07:07:49 pm »
Hat tip to @DeerSlayer

A>B>C>D is not science, it is unintelligent

http://theevolutionfraud.wordpress.com/

Swear to GOD/ I am going to update this thread more regularly.

This link is a good start.
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2019, 11:19:46 am »
Facebook's Head of AI Says the Field Will Soon ‘Hit the Wall’

The Wall

/snip

JP: Deep learning and current AI, if you are really honest, has a lot of limitations. We are very very far from human intelligence, and there are some criticisms that are valid: It can propagate human biases, it’s not easy to explain, it doesn't have common sense, it’s more on the level of pattern matching than robust semantic understanding.
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2019, 11:28:17 am »
Facebook's Head of AI Says the Field Will Soon ‘Hit the Wall’

The Wall

/snip

JP: Deep learning and current AI, if you are really honest, has a lot of limitations. We are very very far from human intelligence, and there are some criticisms that are valid: It can propagate human biases, it’s not easy to explain, it doesn't have common sense, it’s more on the level of pattern matching than robust semantic understanding.

Doesn't bode well for the "Sentience" part of the discussion.
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2019, 11:30:06 am »
Facebook's Head of AI Says the Field Will Soon ‘Hit the Wall’

The Wall

/snip

JP: Deep learning and current AI, if you are really honest, has a lot of limitations. We are very very far from human intelligence,

and there are some criticisms that are valid: It can propagate human biases, it’s not easy to explain, it doesn't have common sense, it’s more on the level of pattern matching than robust semantic understanding.

My key point here is the fact that it may be impossible to somehow imbue "common sense" into an
AI. Mostly because "common sense" is a vanishing point.
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2019, 11:53:11 am »
My key point here is the fact that it may be impossible to somehow imbue "common sense" into an
AI. Mostly because "common sense" is a vanishing point.

Heck, there are a lot of flesh and blood humans running around without common sense.  "Common sense" isn't common.
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2019, 02:04:11 pm »

Robots Are Very Bad News for Millennial Workers


The rise of populist politicians across the rich world has led to a profound rethinking of the way developed economies work. In particular, the impact of automation on the labor market, and the disappearance of routine manufacturing jobs, has been blamed for the electoral successes of leaders such as U.S. President Donald Trump and Italy’s Matteo Salvini.

Yet there are profound differences in what determines the economic winners and losers on the two sides of the Atlantic. In the U.S., the main factor deciding whether a worker can prosper in the age of robots appears to be education. Conversely, in the European Union, it seems to be whether staff have strong protection in their employment contracts — as many older industrial workers do here.

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« Reply #36 on: October 05, 2020, 10:46:08 pm »
Time. To fire it up.  I do the doo with the doodoo.

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« Reply #37 on: October 05, 2020, 10:55:01 pm »
The point here is that every person I know is tense, fearful, combative, virulent.

And they really can't tell you why.

I can.

Robot I. They are programming people nonstop. That incessant force to disabound your humanity grinds  deep in the oyster.  Me. The oyster. I'll take your shit and make that true grit and form a pearl around it.

That is the mindset I have. 
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« Reply #38 on: October 05, 2020, 10:57:07 pm »
Pay attention. This video is from 1992.


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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #40 on: October 05, 2020, 11:09:32 pm »
Fixing the brain isn’t just an engineering problem
By Nicole Wetsman Sep 29, 2020, 10:00am EDT

Neuralink

Elon Musk’s Neuralink: what’s science and what’s not


Elon Musk wants everyone to get brain surgery. Specifically, he wants everyone to get a brain implant — the brain-machine interface created by his company, Neuralink. He says it will be able to solve any number of medical conditions — including paralysis, anxiety, and addiction.

Machines that connect to the human brain and translate the electrical signals to a computer have been around since 2006. Since then, neuroscientists and engineers have made incremental improvements to that technology. Musk’s Neuralink slots into that work: the company developed a system of thin wires that snake into the brain, which may cause less damage than the usual rigid spikes. But Musk’s ambitions also go far beyond altering the architecture of machine-brain devices. Apart from treating brain-based medical conditions, he also said during a recent press event that, eventually, Neuralink’s device could enable things like telepathy or interactions between the brain and artificial intelligence.

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« Reply #41 on: October 05, 2020, 11:20:31 pm »
Time. To fire it up.  I do the doo with the doodoo.

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« Reply #42 on: October 05, 2020, 11:28:47 pm »
Time. To fire it up.  I do the doo with the doodoo.

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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #43 on: October 06, 2020, 03:49:27 am »
Pay attention. This video is from 1992.


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The biggest reason the Soviet planning didn't work?

In two words, Human Nature.

Even as individuals we display random seeming (to an outside observer, ad sometimes to ourselves) behaviour, desires, urges to do, learn, create, various things which are outside our ordinary day to day pattern of behaviour.

It might be something as simple as seeing what's behind that rock over there, taking a different route just for the heck of it, or diving into a new subject that strikes our fancy. While sweeping generalizations can be made in retrospect, simply put, humans are not completely predictable and the Devil is in the details. Who would have known some guy importing beach pebbles from Mexico by the dump truck load and sticking them in little cages with an inexpensive but cute pamphlet would become a millionaire selling "Pet Rocks"? Or there would be fights in supermarkets over "Tickle Me Elmo"?

While much of that is marketing, something which appeals often not to the rational nature of people, but which is designed to make people want things they often do not need, our wants ultimately drive us to do extraordinary things, above and beyond the relatively mundane basics.  Not only that, but those 'basics' are different, depending on where and how you live, that commonly the ultimate reflection of your personal wants and needs.

Three of the six vehicles in the 'fleet' are 4wd capable, one an all wheel drive, the others 2WD, but all have tires far more aggressive than those which might be seen as practical in a more temperate and urban climate, all of necessity. (Not every day necessity, but for those times when you absolutely have to get somewhere and nothing less will do.)  Where I grew up, those would be seen as 'overkill', but here, they are rather tame examples compared to the common pickups with lift kits, oversized tires and wheels, and other modifications: mine are pretty much factory stock.

No central planning department in a nation as broad and varied as this one will succeed, because it is not in human nature to have identical wants or needs, outside of that for fundamental survival: food, clothing, water, shelter, breathable air, at a temperature we can survive or with the means to alter that to a level which supports human life (up or down).

The successful use of an AI to interface with humans would have to be capable of dealing not just with the rational things humans do, but the irrational, the impulsive, the tweaks that occur in a daily routine from curiosity, spotting or noticing something new, and the rational improbabilities of being delayed by stopping to help someone, having an urge to see an old friend, or any of the myriad other things that slow a human down, right down to slowing down or stopping to admire a particularly beautiful sight. Human motivation may sometimes be predictable, but not always, and there is the bugaboo.

The other issue, and one that will ever remain with any attempt to quantify human behaviour is that not all answers will be honest or complete, adding yet another level of complexity to the equations.

With data which are based on generalizations or questionable honesty, garbage in, garbage out. Every AI would have to develop its own personality. Which means that with even the most careful handling, some of them just won't be wired right...the fodder for horror movies, or plot twists from the HAL 9000 on.

As to the original question, at the start of this all, well, it would depend on the human or the machine. I'd be biased in favor of keeping the human, generally, because of a species bias, not to mention the Commandment against murder, but that begs the question of whether a truly sentient machine would have a soul.

And that circles back to our learned responses to the idea of pain or mortality, are we thinking any more than a machine programmed to react the same way? Or do our proclaimed instincts go even deeper?

Good stuff Fred, thanks.
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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2020, 04:27:48 am »
Time. To fire it up.  I do the doo with the doodoo.

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Yep. I have been aware of the AGENDA 21 bit since Clinton was in office.

People look at you strange and don't even bother to go to the UN site and read all the buzzwords, like "sustainable", the new meaningless term for describing most anything, like 'organic sustainably grown cage free eggs from vegan free range chickens' or some other word salad nonsense designed to impress the gullible into paying more for essentially the same product. It's a friggin' cackleberry. If it isn't straight from the farm still warm from the hen's ass it's likely weeks old, anyway.

Anyway, that's why towns in North Dakota have traffic circles instead of 4-way stops and traffic lights at road junctions, even though the traffic circles guarantee snowdrifts in the road, and are difficult to plow. (I can't begin to count the number of wrecks that have occurred at those things, especially where large semi trucks have to go through them).
One of the main highways through here was designated a NAFTA Highway under Bush, and that fits in with his Daddy's New World Order... It's all related and part of the same plan.
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« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2020, 08:18:31 pm »
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I do my  own research. Whether I share it or not in publc is different.

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Re: They Asked if People Would Rather Kill a Human or a Sentient Robot Part 2
« Reply #47 on: October 07, 2020, 09:30:23 pm »


Laugh now.

Cry later.

David Paulides.

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« Reply #48 on: October 07, 2020, 09:46:40 pm »


I watched a TED talk on the problem with AGI. They set up a little video game to have the player figure out a simple obstacle course.

A stick figure player traversing a simple obstacle course.  Jump crawl whatever from different sized and spaced blocks.

A human playing tries to figure out each block scenario. The AGI comes to the first obstacle. Creates for itself one giant leg and steps over the entire course. In one shot.

This is the problem with AGI. No real world applicabiity.

What do YOU think an ASI will do?

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« Reply #49 on: October 07, 2020, 11:59:22 pm »
David Paulides.

Ran into him a while back... He lives up this way nowadays. I don't buy his whole thing, but I buy some of it. Folks do weird things when thy get lost in the woods. Crazy stuff. so it seldom makes sense, at least to me. But sometimes the conditins go past crazy, and those times he talks about, I listen.