Fox News contributor: 'Most likely' outcome is Trump doesn't run in 2020

[roamer_1]

There’s nothing wrong with a nation having strong leadership—if you’re the United States, with a sound constitutional Republic, civilian military leadership, democratic election processes, and with an historic role and strong standing in world leadership.

That's right.

But what baffles me entirely is what passes for strength among y'all.

[roamer_1]

Except he's likely to destroy himself, and take the GOP down with him.

That is not far-fetched.

[skeeter]

Only poll after poll after poll after poll after poll after poll after poll after poll . . . .

Then you learned exactly bupkis from 2016.

[Cyber Liberty]

Then you learned exactly bupkis from 2016.

Have a ceegar! 

[Jazzhead]

Then you learned exactly bupkis from 2016.

Ignoring plain-as-day evidence is a lesson I should have learned from 2016?   

This board needs an emoji of an ostrich with its head in the sand.   

[aligncare]

Ignoring plain-as-day evidence is a lesson I should have learned from 2016?   

This board needs an emoji of an ostrich with its head in the sand.   

I’m sorry, Jazz, but, you’re chasing a laser pointer in the hands of Trump-hating, agenda-driven, Democrat Party media. Never believe the left. Never.

[Cyber Liberty]

Ignoring plain-as-day evidence is a lesson I should have learned from 2016?   

This board needs an emoji of an ostrich with its head in the sand.   

No, if you still worship polls you haven't learned a thing and the sand is in your nostrils, not ours.  If you don't like the Forum, then find one more to your liking.

[roamer_1]

I’m sorry, Jazz, but, you’re chasing a laser pointer in the hands of Trump-hating, agenda-driven, Democrat Party media. Never believe the left. Never.

Never believe the right either. That is the lesson y'all have yet to learn.

[Jazzhead]

I’m sorry, Jazz, but, you’re chasing a laser pointer in the hands of Trump-hating, agenda-driven, Democrat Party media. Never believe the left. Never.

So if your goal is to achieve a GOP President and Senate in 2020,  how do you address the reality of a "Trump-hating, agenda-driven, Democrat Party media"?   The backdrop of all this is a Democratic party actively embracing socialism.   THAT is the reality that must be addressed, confronted and defeated.   And my worry is all this is all flying under the radar with voters, because of the distraction created by Trump and the Trump-hating media.

Trump's legacy is at stake, and perhaps his personal liberty as well.   To me,  his interests are best served by ferociously battling impeachment so that he may serve out the term for which he was elected,  but persuade him to step down in the interest of focusing the election on the preservation of his policies and the defeat of the socialist tide.   

[skeeter]

Ignoring plain-as-day evidence is a lesson I should have learned from 2016?   

This board needs an emoji of an ostrich with its head in the sand.   

If you live by polls I'll bet you were a nervous wreck election night '16.

Or maybe you weren't. Perhaps horrified on the day after?

[Jazzhead]

If you live by polls I'll bet you were a nervous wreck election night '16.

Or maybe you weren't. Perhaps horrified on the day after?

The polls weren't wrong in 2016.  Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million.  He won because of the fortunate circumstance of narrow victories in several states.  As for myself,  I was most pleased that the GOP retained control of both the House and Senate.   We were able to do some good things with that majority, including installing sound judges and putting the lie to Obama's lament that economic malaise was the new normal.     

Don't get me wrong - Trump's victory was totally legit.  He tapped successfully into a vein of populist discontent with elites that ignore the working man.  But don't make the mistake of discounting the multitude of polls that show Trump failing to gain majority support despite all the good things happening with the economy.    That historic disconnect ought to be a warning sign.   Except if you've got your head in the sand.   

[Cyber Liberty]

If you live by polls I'll bet you were a nervous wreck election night '16.

Or maybe you weren't. Perhaps horrified on the day after?

Worrying about media-driven polls is the way to madness.

[skeeter]

The polls weren't wrong in 2016.  Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million.  He won because of the fortunate circumstance of narrow victories in several states.  As for myself,  I was most pleased that the GOP retained control of both the House and Senate.   We were able to do some good things with that majority, including installing sound judges and putting the lie to Obama's lament that economic malaise was the new normal.     

Don't get me wrong - Trump's victory was totally legit.  He tapped successfully into a vein of populist discontent with elites that ignore the working man.  But don't make the mistake of discounting the multitude of polls that show Trump failing to gain majority support despite all the good things happening with the economy.    That historic disconnect ought to be a warning sign.   Except if you've got your head in the sand.

They certainly were wrong. The polls were extrapolated to reflect Trump losing the election by electorals. I remember the sock puppets talking about how it would be nearly impossible for him to win given exit polling they were looking at.

All Trump has to do is win those same votes he has already won. With this economy, and other issues, common sense says he'll far exceed his previous performance. Silly tweets, consistently shitty news coverage and bogus rat investigations notwithstanding.

On top of all that, good grief look at the rat field and the policies they're pushing. You really ought to breath into a bag or something.

[Jazzhead]

Worrying about media-driven polls is the way to madness.

No,  ignoring the message of multiple polls by convincing yourself they are "media driven" is self-deluding foolishness.   

[aligncare]

So if your goal is to achieve a GOP President and Senate in 2020,  how do you address the reality of a "Trump-hating, agenda-driven, Democrat Party media"?   The backdrop of all this is a Democratic party actively embracing socialism.   THAT is the reality that must be addressed, confronted and defeated.   And my worry is all this is all flying under the radar with voters, because of the distraction created by Trump and the Trump-hating media.

Trump's legacy is at stake, and perhaps his personal liberty as well.   To me,  his interests are best served by ferociously battling impeachment so that he may serve out the term for which he was elected,  but persuade him to step down in the interest of focusing the election on the preservation of his policies and the defeat of the socialist tide.

The fault I find in your reasoning is that you seem to think that policy is something that comes from on high in a vacuum. But, policies are only viable when the voters say they’re viable.

If Trump were pushing unpopular policies, then yes, his legacy would be vulnerable. But, Trump’s policies are popular with regular Americans, as apposed to democrats, or, as Levin refers to them, irregular Americans.

[Jazzhead]

All Trump has to do is win those same votes he has already won. With this economy, and other issues, common sense says he'll far exceed his previous performance.

There's not a lick of common sense in that sentence.  Just self-delusion.   

[skeeter]

There's not a lick of common sense in that sentence.  Just self-delusion.

And there's no logic in this one. Just emotion.

[Cyber Liberty]

And there's no logic in this one. Just emotion.

What do you expect?  He thinks a Governor who mysteriously vanished from his State to run off to South America to chase his tryst would be better than Donald Trump, who he admits is getting the job done.

[skeeter]

What do you expect?  He thinks a Governor who mysteriously vanished from his State to run off to South America to chase his tryst would be better than Donald Trump, who he admits is getting the job done.

It's too bad. At other times he makes so much sense.

[Cyber Liberty]

It's too bad. At other times he makes so much sense.

He does.  A credit to the forum, to be honest.

[Jazzhead]

If Trump were pushing unpopular policies, then yes, his legacy would be vulnerable. But, Trump’s policies are popular with regular Americans, as apposed to democrats, or, as Levin refers to them, irregular Americans.

I agree, and in more normal times the Carville adage of "it's the economy, stupid" would prevail.   But the frenzied media isn't talking about the economy, or even the Administration's triumph in killing that animal al-Baghdadi.   It is Trump hatred, 24/7. 

I wish it weren't so.   I wish we could run on the economy,  immigration and disengagement from Mideast tribal conflicts.   But the media is drowning out those discussions and demanding the election be a referendum on Trump the alleged madman.   And in the meantime,  with the media running interference, the Dems are prepared to nominate a socialist and elect him or her as the voters are distracted.    It makes no sense that Trump's poll numbers should be as low as they are given his policy successes.   But we live in the world as it is, not as it we wish it to be.   

I am merely being realistic in the face of the onslaught.   We need to both defend the President and urge him that his bid for re-election will jeopardize all the good that he's done. 

Politics is a team game.   Trump has driven down the court, but is blocked at the basket.   He needs to pass the ball to a teammate who can make the winning shot.   

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

 I don't know which Democrat he will be against but he will be happy trying to destroy whomever it is.

@Victoria33

And I will be happy to see whatever evil communist/One World Globalist bastard it is destroyed.

[Wingnut]

He does.  A credit to the forum, to be honest.

He's conflicted.  Or was it constipated?  I forget.....

[sneakypete]

Except he's likely to destroy himself, and take the GOP down with him.

@Jazzhead

That's GOOD news if an actual GOP replaces the self-serving globalist bastards that have controlled the party since Ike took over. What we had prior to "The Trump Surprise" was essentially a One Party system with two incestuous branches.

[sneakypete]

That is not far-fetched.

@roamer_1

Nor is it a bad thing if a conservative "American First Party" emerges from the ashes of the "Dim Lite GOP" of today.