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October 20, 2019
For Peggy Noonan and her elitist pals…here’s a little plainspeak for you
By Eric Georgatos

So many of us with conservative leanings have long respected the prose and insight of Peggy Noonan, now a prominent Wall Street Journal columnist, but initially admired for her work as a Reagan speechwriter.  But her recent columns show she’s come to exemplify the ruling class elitism that simply doesn’t grasp the groundswell in the American heart that elected Donald Trump president.

I consider myself to be right in the heart of that American heart.  Raised in a lower middle-class home in small town America; father with a high school diploma, and mother with a junior college degree earned in middle age.  Taught and embrace the Christian faith, work ethic, and ‘marinated’ in an atmosphere of love for America.  Made it through college and law school; experienced a version of the American dream in terms of achieving a standard of living for my wife and three kids being substantially higher than that of my sister and me growing up.

Well, Peggy, let me help you understand where that background—shared in various forms with millions of Americans—positions my worldview.

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I resent the hell out of Joe Biden on video bragging about the hold up of financial aid to the Ukraine until a prosecutor investigating his son was fired.  This is the textbook definition of a political quid pro quo.  On. Video.  I resent the hell out of a media that tries to tell me there is nothing wrong with this or that it has been ‘debunked’ or is ‘unsubstantiated’ or that the real culprit is President Trump for daring to engage in any action to get to the bottom of all aspects of 2016 election interference.

I resent the hell out of Joe Biden’s son securing $1.5B from China in the immediate aftermath of an Air Force Two trip with his father—because I have worked in corporate finance and this doesn’t happen for any reason other than the pay-off by China for China-favorable policy decisions by the Obama/Biden administration.  I resent the hell out of a media that won’t acknowledge the obvious or tries to tell me to look past the Biden corruption that is right in my face.

Probably most of all, I resent the hell out of a media and a Republican Party that would do absolutely nothing about any of these things because Barack Obama was the first President of color, and so these elites decided to pat Americans on the head, tell them to shut up with their concerns, and understand that Obama gets a free pass to destroy this country in the name of transforming it in accord with his leftist ideology.  In President Trump’s words, this is b*****t.  We the people are not too stupid to see what was done, and we don’t forget who did it.


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Being I am a simple fellow that doesn't keep as good of tabs as most of yall do, I took the time to look up Noonan's last article for reference.... It was titled: The Impeachment Needle May Soon Move.

https://peggynoonan.com/the-impeachment-needle-may-soon-move/

I read it and thought several things about it... Well written and a little/lot one sided... but for the most part, I am sure her readers know her position (that I assume is Trump is a oaf that needs to be voted off his own game show). She didn't exactly throw in how the DMC and Biden's Hunter was in the gumbo show, only that Trump was stirring the pot and spilling and making a mess of his end of it. I agree with her somewhat but... I also know she selectively left out the corruption on the other end which is not fair to Trump.

This author (of O.P.) takes issue with Noonan but does so in a odd way (at least how I interpret it). He points out issues that really do not have anything to do with Noonan (corruption of Democrats in the past)... and uses that to say what Peggy is doing is wrong. I don't agree, Peggy is holding Trump's feet to the fire for his own decisions/actions and not sugar coating it... perhaps she is not giving the other side (Dim corruption) enough print, but I didn't see where her last article was wrong. She just doesn't kiss Trump's butt and perhaps that chaps people's pride.

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I resent the hell out of Joe Biden on video bragging about the hold up of financial aid to the Ukraine until a prosecutor investigating his son was fired.  This is the textbook definition of a political quid pro quo.  On. Video.  I resent the hell out of a media that tries to tell me there is nothing wrong with this or that it has been ‘debunked’ or is ‘unsubstantiated’ or that the real culprit is President Trump for daring to engage in any action to get to the bottom of all aspects of 2016 election interference.

I resent the hell out of Joe Biden’s son securing $1.5B from China in the immediate aftermath of an Air Force Two trip with his father—because I have worked in corporate finance and this doesn’t happen for any reason other than the pay-off by China for China-favorable policy decisions by the Obama/Biden administration.  I resent the hell out of a media that won’t acknowledge the obvious or tries to tell me to look past the Biden corruption that is right in my face.

Probably most of all, I resent the hell out of a media and a Republican Party that would do absolutely nothing about any of these things because Barack Obama was the first President of color, and so these elites decided to pat Americans on the head, tell them to shut up with their concerns, and understand that Obama gets a free pass to destroy this country in the name of transforming it in accord with his leftist ideology.  In President Trump’s words, this is b*****t.  We the people are not too stupid to see what was done, and we don’t forget who did it.
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Being I am a simple fellow that doesn't keep as good of tabs as most of yall do, I took the time to look up Noonan's last article for reference.... It was titled: The Impeachment Needle May Soon Move.

https://peggynoonan.com/the-impeachment-needle-may-soon-move/

I read it and thought several things about it... Well written and a little/lot one sided... but for the most part, I am sure her readers know her position (that I assume is Trump is a oaf that needs to be voted off his own game show). She didn't exactly throw in how the DMC and Biden's Hunter was in the gumbo show, only that Trump was stirring the pot and spilling and making a mess of his end of it. I agree with her somewhat but... I also know she selectively left out the corruption on the other end which is not fair to Trump.

This author (of O.P.) takes issue with Noonan but does so in a odd way (at least how I interpret it). He points out issues that really do not have anything to do with Noonan (corruption of Democrats in the past)... and uses that to say what Peggy is doing is wrong. I don't agree, Peggy is holding Trump's feet to the fire for his own decisions/actions and not sugar coating it... perhaps she is not giving the other side (Dim corruption) enough print, but I didn't see where her last article was wrong. She just doesn't kiss Trump's butt and perhaps that chaps people's pride.

There's a thread on that article:

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,379953.0.html

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:amen:  Add me to that list!

@Bigun, didn't you post a thread on this?  Please link it, maybe we'll merge them.
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She just doesn't kiss Trump's butt and perhaps that chaps people's pride.

If all she did was not kiss Trump's butt...nobody would care.  There are plenty of important issues she could write about other than Trump's own foibles that obviously would not involve kissing his butt because they wouldn't be about him.  And if she was writing about those, she wouldn't be getting this criticism.

However, she chose to write about Trump - someone about whom there isn't exactly a lack of written commentary - and to take largely the same position being argued by the people who seek to put a Democrat in the White House.

By choosing to enter that fray, and arguing the same points already being pounded 24/7 by the left, she's ticked off those who don't want to see a leftist elected President.

No great shock.


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Noonan, joins other  "journalists," like Bill Kristol, George Will.

Why should I give them any time?

They opposed Trump since the morning they learned that Trump won, and their dear Hillary establishment status quo candidate had surprisingly lost.

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@Bigun, didn't you post a thread on this?  Please link it, maybe we'll merge them.

I posted this kinda sorta the same subject @Cyber Liberty
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Being I am a simple fellow that doesn't keep as good of tabs as most of yall do, I took the time to look up Noonan's last article for reference.... It was titled: The Impeachment Needle May Soon Move.

https://peggynoonan.com/the-impeachment-needle-may-soon-move/

I read it and thought several things about it... Well written and a little/lot one sided... but for the most part, I am sure her readers know her position (that I assume is Trump is a oaf that needs to be voted off his own game show). She didn't exactly throw in how the DMC and Biden's Hunter was in the gumbo show, only that Trump was stirring the pot and spilling and making a mess of his end of it. I agree with her somewhat but... I also know she selectively left out the corruption on the other end which is not fair to Trump.

This author (of O.P.) takes issue with Noonan but does so in a odd way (at least how I interpret it). He points out issues that really do not have anything to do with Noonan (corruption of Democrats in the past)... and uses that to say what Peggy is doing is wrong. I don't agree, Peggy is holding Trump's feet to the fire for his own decisions/actions and not sugar coating it... perhaps she is not giving the other side (Dim corruption) enough print, but I didn't see where her last article was wrong. She just doesn't kiss Trump's butt and perhaps that chaps people's pride.

With all due respect to my good friend @Sighlass, I respectfully disagree. IMHO Peggy is a born and bred swamp dweller and will do whatever she can to preserve her domain.
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There's a thread on that article:

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,379953.0.html

approaching 50 posts....

Thanks for the link, seems you had some pretty strong opinions there, lol....

My problem with Peggy was things like this...

Quote from: Noonan
But the subject matter will probably have to be bigger than the Ukraine phone call, which is not, as some have said, too complicated for the American people to understand, but easy to understand. An American ally needed money, and its new leader needed a meeting with the American president to bolster his position back home. It was made clear that the money and the meeting were contingent on the launching of a probe politically advantageous to Mr. Trump and disadvantageous to a possible 2020 rival.

That was disingenuous because it left out the democrats using the area for Russian Conclusion (servers etc)... which left out the Biden and Hunter connection of funneling money to democrats (and much more). Her nutshell isn't even close to the full picture... and that is grounds to not like her. But I did learn some insight (gleamed like crops being picked a second time) into the impeachment.

It is not like she doesn't know the corruption.... She fully alludes to it later in the article...

Quote from: Noonan
It can’t look like the Deep State striking back at a president who threatened their corrupt ways.

Corruption that in her view runs both ways.... and in that view, I agree. Perhaps not so much about the Ukrainian stuff here, I think Trump had the right to dig into the can of worms the democrats opened.  But other things Trump does like covering up things like Stormy and using connections (Falwell for example) to have some pastors bend doctrine/scripture to support someone like himself.
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With all due respect to my good friend @Sighlass, I respectfully disagree. IMHO Peggy is a born and bred swamp dweller and will do whatever she can to preserve her domain.
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Noonan, joins other  "journalists," like Bill Kristol, George Will.

Why should I give them any time?

Perhaps because Noonan's column can be useful as constructive advice to the President about how to avoid the coming electoral disaster.   
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With all due respect to my good friend @Sighlass, I respectfully disagree. IMHO Peggy is a born and bred swamp dweller and will do whatever she can to preserve her domain.

I decided to let her own words decide... so I googled one of my favorite politicians and her to see if she voiced a half butt Swamp opinion... She had... perhaps yall are right. @Bigun
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Perhaps because Noonan's column can be useful as constructive advice to the President about how to avoid the coming electoral disaster.

Good point.  Trump should read her column, and understanding she would do literally anything to flush him out of office ASAP, he would proceed to do the opposite.   Win.
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I decided to let her own words decide... so I googled one of my favorite politicians and her to see if she voiced a half butt Swamp opinion... She had... perhaps yall are right. @Bigun

Thank you @Sighlass! I'm happy you chose to look further into the matter.  I knew you would.
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Thank you @Sighlass! I'm happy you chose to look further into the matter.  I knew you would.

I have a pretty strong opinion about Noonan the Airhead.  happy77
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