Trump: A Banana Republican

[OfTheCross]

It was a dodgy arrangement, for sure. But so far, there is no evidence that Hunter Biden’s position affected his vice-president father’s relationship with Ukraine. Of course, Trump wants Ukraine to come up with evidence, or at least to open an official investigation into the matter. Just the existence of the investigation would be enough to hurt Joe Biden if he becomes the Democratic nominee for president.

To be clear: it’s not just speculation that Trump pressured the new Ukraine president to do this. Trump admitted it himself. The Ukrainian leadership is in a terrible position

With a hostile Russia on its border, Ukraine can’t afford to alienate Trump. Trump knows this. It would be unconscionable for an American president to pressure a vulnerable country to do his dirty work regarding a domestic US presidential campaign, but then again, we know that Donald Trump has no conscience. I mean that as neutrally as possible. He is demonstrably amoral. He does what he wants to do, bound by nothing.

Whatever the truth in the Biden-Ukraine matter, are we conservatives really prepared to sign off on an American president using the threat of withholding US aid to another country to strongarm that country’s leadership into doing dirty work against that president’s domestic political opponents? Think about what a future Democratic president could do with this precedent.

americanconservative

True Conservatives would impeach Trump

[EasyAce]

Also from the original article:

Ukraine is in a desperate position, and cannot afford to alienate the American president. Based on what we already know to be true, Trump had no business bringing this up with the new president of Ukraine. That doesn’t mean it’s an impeachable offense (we would have to know more before making that determination), but this is a bright red line for a US president to cross. It doesn’t become any less severe if we discover that Joe and Hunter Biden engaged in dodgy behavior either. The Bidens’ fooling around with Ukraine is certainly fair game for Trump. But we cannot have a situation in which a US president more or less blackmails a foreign government dependent on US aid to involve itself in punishing that president’s domestic political rivals.

[TomSea]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

Transcript is released so a heckuva lot more information is out there on what we have.

This looks innocuous to me, a nothing burger... but people will spin it how they want.

Though, I say, "come on man, Trump will talk about things with Putin, Trudeau, AMLO, Mexico's leader." I see very little here.

[sneakypete]

True Conservatives would impeach Trump

@OfTheCross

How would you know?

[roamer_1]

True Conservatives would impeach Trump

I am hard core far right, and believe me, no fan of Tump.
But your statement is ridiculous.

[sneakypete]

I am hard core far right, and believe me, no fan of Tump.
But your statement is ridiculous.

@roamer_1

He's  a Dim trying to cause problems,

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

He's  a Dim trying to cause problems,

@sneakypete
Whatever... It is still an absurdity until there is a provable violation of law. That is what a true Conservative would pay attention to.

I would certainly withdraw whatever meager support there is, and encourage impeachment/indictment to settle the matter. But that begins with a valid accusation... A real and apparent violation of law.

And that ain't there.

[LMAO]

True Conservatives would impeach Trump

 We would  need an investigation first before impeachment would be justified

[Cyber Liberty]

Every time a leftist starts a sentence with "True conservatives would..." God kills a kitten.

[OfTheCross]

We would  need an investigation first before impeachment would be justified

Of course. The impeachment prompts the investigation. Then the trial takes place.

[bigheadfred]

@OfTheCross

How would you know?

 

[OfTheCross]

@OfTheCross

How would you know?

I'm a True Conservative 

[bigheadfred]

I'm a True Conservative 

And you learned Trump is a Banana Republican in Sundae School.      

[OfTheCross]

 

And you learned Trump is a Banana Republican in Sundae School.   

[jafo2010]

A true conservative like that maggot Mitt Romney?  Please!

Trump as POTUS has produced more results while facing the greatest resistance of any president perhaps in our entire history.  Imagine if he had a Congress that was willing to work with him for the benefit of the American people?  Well, I can dream.

Fact is, both parties have opposed him every step of the way.  What a terrible thing, and a dark stain in our history. 

I consider the Dems as enemies of the state.  And worst case scenario, we end in some form of Civil War, the Dems will face a French Revolution style outcome.  If that is the case, I would not want to be any of the highly visible Dems.  Adam Schiff with all his endless lies regarding Trump should result in his removal from Congress.  His "I have seen the evidence" against Trump hogwash.  Pathetic!

I say the Dems get brutalized in November, 2020.

[catfish1957]

I am hard core far right, and believe me, no fan of Tump.
But your statement is ridiculous.

Same opinion here.  Dislike Trump, but impeachment is suicide for anyone on the political spectre center to right.

[roamer_1]

Same opinion here.  Dislike Trump, but impeachment is suicide for anyone on the political spectre center to right.

Agreed - Although if the charges and evidence are real, that could change.

[roamer_1]

Trump as POTUS has produced more results while facing the greatest resistance of any president perhaps in our entire history. 

No, not really. Not long ago, Conservatives were of a mind that Executive Orders, being volatile, do not count... And without EOs... Nearly bupkis. 

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Trump's conversation with the Ukraine president is sort of cringey, but then again, if one thing defines the man it's cringey. But the USSC says high crimes and misdemeanors. Until I see something like that, impeachment isn't on the table as far as I'm concerned.

Trump makes sure he says things like "contact my lawyer", as in, Trump will do whatever he can within the technical bounds of the law.

Sigh...  Good trump bad trump. He brings attention to needed things, like how working people feel screwed over by trade policies, unchecked illegal immigration etc. But he also basically plays by what he can legally get away with.

[sneakypete]

  Not long ago, Conservatives were of a mind that Executive Orders, being volatile, do not count...

@roamer_1

By "not long ago" you mean "never",right?

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

No, not really. Not long ago, Conservatives were of a mind that Executive Orders, being volatile, do not count... And without EOs... Nearly bupkis. 

Not really fair to Trump though, he's one man, not a dictator. And we live a democratic republic, that's the way it works.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

By "not long ago" you mean "never",right?

@sneakypete
Nope. I mean exactly what I said. I was not odd-man-out on that.

And it's true. All y'all will be howling at the moon when the next dem president walks in and cancels the Tump legacy with the stroke of a pen in the first 100 days. And that is exactly what will happen.

[roamer_1]

Not really fair to Trump though, he's one man, not a dictator. And we live a democratic republic, that's the way it works.

Yeah, and that's the problem. He is governing like one man. Probably his biggest failure.

[libertybele]

I'm a True Conservative 

Well, you said it.  So ... what exactly defines you as a 'true conservative'?

[libertybele]

Yeah, and that's the problem. He is governing like one man. Probably his biggest failure.

I see it more as his hands have been tied.